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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2006/07/06/are-college-funds-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-191123</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another take:
My parents saved money in an UGMA account for my college education.  I attended the University of Texas, and received a full four-year academic scholarship (based solely on merit, as I did not qualify for need-based aid).  I also decided that I wanted to be a naval officer, so I signed up for a program called Nuclear Propulsion Officer Candidate Program during my sophomore year.  I got paid a full salary (without working) and earned federal government employment benefits, while in school on a full, non-military, academic scholarship in return for promising to serve five years as a nuclear officer when I graduated.  Since my parents had saved for college in an UGMA account, it was also turned over to me at 18.
-I did get into the big name private schools by the way, where I wouldn&#039;t have received an academic scholarship and would have graduated with loans since my parents hadn&#039;t saved for the full cost of a school like Harvard.  I&#039;m now 27, and those decisions that seemed so simple at 18 really put me ahead of the game financially.  My husband attended the Naval Academy, and also graduated debt-free.
-No one above mentioned the military, but many of the officer programs offer excellent scholarships and benefits (Note- I&#039;m not talking about promising free college to an 18-year old enlisted recruit at some later date).  Save the money, and then if your children earns an academic or military scholarship, you can give them a portion as a headstart on life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another take:<br />
My parents saved money in an UGMA account for my college education.  I attended the University of Texas, and received a full four-year academic scholarship (based solely on merit, as I did not qualify for need-based aid).  I also decided that I wanted to be a naval officer, so I signed up for a program called Nuclear Propulsion Officer Candidate Program during my sophomore year.  I got paid a full salary (without working) and earned federal government employment benefits, while in school on a full, non-military, academic scholarship in return for promising to serve five years as a nuclear officer when I graduated.  Since my parents had saved for college in an UGMA account, it was also turned over to me at 18.<br />
-I did get into the big name private schools by the way, where I wouldn&#8217;t have received an academic scholarship and would have graduated with loans since my parents hadn&#8217;t saved for the full cost of a school like Harvard.  I&#8217;m now 27, and those decisions that seemed so simple at 18 really put me ahead of the game financially.  My husband attended the Naval Academy, and also graduated debt-free.<br />
-No one above mentioned the military, but many of the officer programs offer excellent scholarships and benefits (Note- I&#8217;m not talking about promising free college to an 18-year old enlisted recruit at some later date).  Save the money, and then if your children earns an academic or military scholarship, you can give them a portion as a headstart on life.</p>
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		<title>By: lrystal</title>
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		<dc:creator>lrystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 00:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mom pays for me to go to college and I&#039;m eternally grateful. I work hard to make good grades as well as work to take care of extra expenses. I think it&#039;s unfair to say that just because you fund your kids education that they will waste it and won&#039;t be grateful. If you teach your kid financial responsibility they will keep it through college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom pays for me to go to college and I&#8217;m eternally grateful. I work hard to make good grades as well as work to take care of extra expenses. I think it&#8217;s unfair to say that just because you fund your kids education that they will waste it and won&#8217;t be grateful. If you teach your kid financial responsibility they will keep it through college.</p>
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		<title>By: TSW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to second what EA wrote. College is unaffordable only if one chooses a school without regard to costs. For every private university charging $50k per year in total cost, there&#039;s a public school charging much less. And quite frankly, the number of undergraduate programs in the U.S. that are even arguably worth full-freight private tuition can be counted on one hand. Once you look past the very top universities, any tangible benefit that accrues from the school is virtually nonexistent. Success comes from the individual, not the name on the degree.

To share a bit of my own story, I came from an upper-middle class family. I was lucky in that my parents were happy to pay for college, but we collectively limited my choices to schools offering at least partial scholarships. And I worked part-time throughout. When I graduated in the heat of the last recession, jobs were hard to come by. Many of my friends looked to graduate school for an added credential and a way to avoid unemployment or underemployment, as did I. My parents again offered financial help, but being a little older and wiser I was confident enough to decline it. I wanted to feel all the costs of delaying employment; I figured that was the only way to be sure that I was making the RIGHT choice and not just the convenient choice. And it changes your outlook completely. I knew I wanted to apply to law school, but assuming all the costs made me research schools and expected employment prospects much more diligently. I studied harder for the entrance exams, not only to get into a better school but also to qualify for financial aid at a better school. And when I received multiple acceptances, the scholarship packages as well as the employment prospects were heavy influencers. Now I&#039;m a young, glad-to-be-employed lawyer with manageable student debts. And I still think that bearing all the costs made my decision process much, much better at every step.

If my own children think that college will be a benefit for their careers, I would plan on paying the costs of a public university for them. Anything beyond that I believe they should pay for themselves. The lessons are invaluable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to second what EA wrote. College is unaffordable only if one chooses a school without regard to costs. For every private university charging $50k per year in total cost, there&#8217;s a public school charging much less. And quite frankly, the number of undergraduate programs in the U.S. that are even arguably worth full-freight private tuition can be counted on one hand. Once you look past the very top universities, any tangible benefit that accrues from the school is virtually nonexistent. Success comes from the individual, not the name on the degree.</p>
<p>To share a bit of my own story, I came from an upper-middle class family. I was lucky in that my parents were happy to pay for college, but we collectively limited my choices to schools offering at least partial scholarships. And I worked part-time throughout. When I graduated in the heat of the last recession, jobs were hard to come by. Many of my friends looked to graduate school for an added credential and a way to avoid unemployment or underemployment, as did I. My parents again offered financial help, but being a little older and wiser I was confident enough to decline it. I wanted to feel all the costs of delaying employment; I figured that was the only way to be sure that I was making the RIGHT choice and not just the convenient choice. And it changes your outlook completely. I knew I wanted to apply to law school, but assuming all the costs made me research schools and expected employment prospects much more diligently. I studied harder for the entrance exams, not only to get into a better school but also to qualify for financial aid at a better school. And when I received multiple acceptances, the scholarship packages as well as the employment prospects were heavy influencers. Now I&#8217;m a young, glad-to-be-employed lawyer with manageable student debts. And I still think that bearing all the costs made my decision process much, much better at every step.</p>
<p>If my own children think that college will be a benefit for their careers, I would plan on paying the costs of a public university for them. Anything beyond that I believe they should pay for themselves. The lessons are invaluable.</p>
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		<title>By: EA</title>
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		<dc:creator>EA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me open by quoting the former governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura: “If you can’t figure out how to pay for college – you are not smart enough to go.”

As a fairly recent graduate of a very expensive private university and graduate school, I am in full support of that statement. One thing that most parents overlook in planning for their children education is the fact that there are tons of options out there to finance the school than ever before: school choices, scholarships, grants, loans, part-time jobs. Yes, the student might end up being heavily indebted in the end, but the purpose of the schooling was to produce income, that should be enough to cover both Interest and Principal payments. 
Personally, I received no money for education from my parents (short of some incidentals), but rather picked the school where I had better chances to get a scholarship and fought for it, worked over 30 hours a week at multiple part-time jobs, borrowed (I did not qualify for any government help, so I actually had to charge some of my tuition on the credit cards and revolve the balance for awhile) and chose the major that will allow me to make enough income to eventually repay the debt.

Setting money aside for a child removes all the incentives for the child to succeed both academically and financially. It also teaches the child absolutely nothing about the value of the dollar.

On the flip side, there are plenty government benefit programs available for parents saving for education (like 529 in US or RESP in Canada). While it is good to save as much on taxes as possible, this savings should be used by the child as a loan from parents, not free cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me open by quoting the former governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura: “If you can’t figure out how to pay for college – you are not smart enough to go.”</p>
<p>As a fairly recent graduate of a very expensive private university and graduate school, I am in full support of that statement. One thing that most parents overlook in planning for their children education is the fact that there are tons of options out there to finance the school than ever before: school choices, scholarships, grants, loans, part-time jobs. Yes, the student might end up being heavily indebted in the end, but the purpose of the schooling was to produce income, that should be enough to cover both Interest and Principal payments.<br />
Personally, I received no money for education from my parents (short of some incidentals), but rather picked the school where I had better chances to get a scholarship and fought for it, worked over 30 hours a week at multiple part-time jobs, borrowed (I did not qualify for any government help, so I actually had to charge some of my tuition on the credit cards and revolve the balance for awhile) and chose the major that will allow me to make enough income to eventually repay the debt.</p>
<p>Setting money aside for a child removes all the incentives for the child to succeed both academically and financially. It also teaches the child absolutely nothing about the value of the dollar.</p>
<p>On the flip side, there are plenty government benefit programs available for parents saving for education (like 529 in US or RESP in Canada). While it is good to save as much on taxes as possible, this savings should be used by the child as a loan from parents, not free cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***IMPORTANT***

Speaking as a former University Financial Aid Advisor and Academic Advisor, funding your own college tuition now is much, much more difficult now.  I can&#039;t even begin to tell you how many kids (young adults) can not afford to attend college.  Let’s say that your child is a good student and even gets a small academic scholarship, a state grant and a few other misc. grants or free sources of financing for filling out the FAFSA (Financial aid form for colleges).  If you make an annual income that is considered low enough, your child can get some extra support.  However, if your household makes more than $50,000 (approx.) and you will have one child in college, the only kind of aid that they may be eligible for is school loans (example: Stafford Loans). The government basis the students financial need on your (the parents) salary. Students, unless they have been out of school for more than one year, living away from home, will be considered a dependant.  So the parents have to co-sign for the student’s loan at least for the first year anyway or the student will have to go to outside sources to try and borrow money which is difficult. 

IN ADDITION, at least in Ohio, the most amount of money that an entering freshman can borrow, doesn&#039;t cover the average college&#039;s first year&#039;s tuition (even at state schools). (students can borrow stafford loans at 7,500 first year, 8,500 as a sophomore and 10,500 as a junior and senior) And if a student needs to work full time and can&#039;t go to college full time, the amount they are eligible to borrow is even less. 

Ohio is supposed to be around average, if not a little below average when it comes to colleges and universities&#039; tuition.  Here is an example, one year at OSU (main campus) tuition is $8,676 ...room and board is an additional $7,581, if you are trying to go to OSU and are not a resident of Ohio, that jumps to $21,000.  The average cost of an Ohio private college/university tuition is around $19,000 but some private colleges in Ohio are upwards of $30,000 a year.  Most affordable colleges, at least in Ohio, are community colleges and only offer a two-year degree.  

And many colleges are not set up to necessarily work around the working student’s schedule.  My nephew just went to college and received no (financial) support from his parents and it took him five years to get through an associate&#039;s degree because he had to work full-time and schedule classes around his work schedule and finance it himself.  

Personally, some of the greatest skills that I learned and that helped me in life (activities, internships, committees, etc.) I learned because I actually lived on campus.  But not everyone needs to live on campus. Keep in mind though, percentage wise, college freshman have a much higher chance of completing their first year if they live on campus.  

As someone mentioned before, if you are concerned with your child learning the value of money, have them pay you back some of it while in college and then the rest when they get out and start working in the &quot;real world&quot;.

Oh, by the way, I haven&#039;t even mentioned expenses such as additional living expenses, lab fees, books, computer software, etc.  

I don&#039;t know about you, but if you can afford to put away a little through the years...do it.  It won&#039;t spoil your children to help give them an opportunity to succeed in life by helping them with their higher education...the spoiling comes in by giving in to children&#039;s every whim all the time.  (Wii, dirt bikes, nintendo, etc.)  It may not be appreciated now, but 1 toy and a gift of a cheap savings bond for birthday&#039;s and Christmas&#039; will go further to helping them with their future. 

Here is a Web site that talks about the student aid forms :  http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/ 

A couple of savings options to look into:
•	529 plans 
•	Coverdell Education Savings Account 
P.S.  “Experts say that someone born in 2003 and entering a public college or university in 2021 can expect to shell out $95,000 for an undergraduate degree. A private college may run upwards of $240,000.”

I read this at http://www.ehow.com/how_109539_save-childs-college.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***IMPORTANT***</p>
<p>Speaking as a former University Financial Aid Advisor and Academic Advisor, funding your own college tuition now is much, much more difficult now.  I can&#8217;t even begin to tell you how many kids (young adults) can not afford to attend college.  Let’s say that your child is a good student and even gets a small academic scholarship, a state grant and a few other misc. grants or free sources of financing for filling out the FAFSA (Financial aid form for colleges).  If you make an annual income that is considered low enough, your child can get some extra support.  However, if your household makes more than $50,000 (approx.) and you will have one child in college, the only kind of aid that they may be eligible for is school loans (example: Stafford Loans). The government basis the students financial need on your (the parents) salary. Students, unless they have been out of school for more than one year, living away from home, will be considered a dependant.  So the parents have to co-sign for the student’s loan at least for the first year anyway or the student will have to go to outside sources to try and borrow money which is difficult. </p>
<p>IN ADDITION, at least in Ohio, the most amount of money that an entering freshman can borrow, doesn&#8217;t cover the average college&#8217;s first year&#8217;s tuition (even at state schools). (students can borrow stafford loans at 7,500 first year, 8,500 as a sophomore and 10,500 as a junior and senior) And if a student needs to work full time and can&#8217;t go to college full time, the amount they are eligible to borrow is even less. </p>
<p>Ohio is supposed to be around average, if not a little below average when it comes to colleges and universities&#8217; tuition.  Here is an example, one year at OSU (main campus) tuition is $8,676 &#8230;room and board is an additional $7,581, if you are trying to go to OSU and are not a resident of Ohio, that jumps to $21,000.  The average cost of an Ohio private college/university tuition is around $19,000 but some private colleges in Ohio are upwards of $30,000 a year.  Most affordable colleges, at least in Ohio, are community colleges and only offer a two-year degree.  </p>
<p>And many colleges are not set up to necessarily work around the working student’s schedule.  My nephew just went to college and received no (financial) support from his parents and it took him five years to get through an associate&#8217;s degree because he had to work full-time and schedule classes around his work schedule and finance it himself.  </p>
<p>Personally, some of the greatest skills that I learned and that helped me in life (activities, internships, committees, etc.) I learned because I actually lived on campus.  But not everyone needs to live on campus. Keep in mind though, percentage wise, college freshman have a much higher chance of completing their first year if they live on campus.  </p>
<p>As someone mentioned before, if you are concerned with your child learning the value of money, have them pay you back some of it while in college and then the rest when they get out and start working in the &#8220;real world&#8221;.</p>
<p>Oh, by the way, I haven&#8217;t even mentioned expenses such as additional living expenses, lab fees, books, computer software, etc.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but if you can afford to put away a little through the years&#8230;do it.  It won&#8217;t spoil your children to help give them an opportunity to succeed in life by helping them with their higher education&#8230;the spoiling comes in by giving in to children&#8217;s every whim all the time.  (Wii, dirt bikes, nintendo, etc.)  It may not be appreciated now, but 1 toy and a gift of a cheap savings bond for birthday&#8217;s and Christmas&#8217; will go further to helping them with their future. </p>
<p>Here is a Web site that talks about the student aid forms :  <a href="http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/</a> </p>
<p>A couple of savings options to look into:<br />
•	529 plans<br />
•	Coverdell Education Savings Account<br />
P.S.  “Experts say that someone born in 2003 and entering a public college or university in 2021 can expect to shell out $95,000 for an undergraduate degree. A private college may run upwards of $240,000.”</p>
<p>I read this at <a href="http://www.ehow.com/how_109539_save-childs-college.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ehow.com/how_109539_save-childs-college.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education is always the key.  I have 2 kids and started saving from they day they were born in a 529 plan.

The deal is simple.  They get a 4 year scholarship from my wife and I - we&#039;ll figure out a way to pay for it they just have to get into the school.  They&#039;re on their own for any years after that.

If they get any grants, scholarships, or other funds that mean we don&#039;t have to pay for it - they get a graduation gift of half what we didn&#039;t have to pay.  So if they get $10k in grants, we&#039;ll give them $5k out of the 529 when they graduate (or use that to pay for graduate school if they want to avoid that 10% penalty)

Of course, I&#039;m not about to tell them they&#039;re getting that money until after they graduate, and as likely as not it will be set up in some sort of trust for them to pull interest but not invade the principle until they retire, just because I know how disasterous large monetary windfalls can be for kids when you try to teach them the value of a dollar.  But I also know how nice it is to have an extra $200 a month when you&#039;re just out of college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education is always the key.  I have 2 kids and started saving from they day they were born in a 529 plan.</p>
<p>The deal is simple.  They get a 4 year scholarship from my wife and I &#8211; we&#8217;ll figure out a way to pay for it they just have to get into the school.  They&#8217;re on their own for any years after that.</p>
<p>If they get any grants, scholarships, or other funds that mean we don&#8217;t have to pay for it &#8211; they get a graduation gift of half what we didn&#8217;t have to pay.  So if they get $10k in grants, we&#8217;ll give them $5k out of the 529 when they graduate (or use that to pay for graduate school if they want to avoid that 10% penalty)</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m not about to tell them they&#8217;re getting that money until after they graduate, and as likely as not it will be set up in some sort of trust for them to pull interest but not invade the principle until they retire, just because I know how disasterous large monetary windfalls can be for kids when you try to teach them the value of a dollar.  But I also know how nice it is to have an extra $200 a month when you&#8217;re just out of college.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a current TA and future (hopefully) professor at a university, I feel compelled to comment here.  Several previous commenters have noted that their state schools will be good enough for their children and such, but as an educator and someone who attended a small liberal arts college, I can tell you many students are not a good fit for a large state school.  If your child will fail at a large school, but succeed at a smaller (more expensive) school, wouldn&#039;t you want to give them that opportunity?  This is not the case for all students, but I have seen many of my own students not finish at the large state school where I currently teach, and I am positive they would have been able to finish at a smaller school where they were comforable and received support from the school.  In addition, if your child got into MIT or Stanford, that would be impossible for them to work their way through, but if you could give them that opportunity, wouldn&#039;t you want to?  I have seen too many students who simply are unable to work to their full potential because of their outside work responsibilities to require my own kids to do that.  Earning their own spending money or living expenses is one thing, but students who have to work long hours to pay extensive bills are almost always at a disadvantage.  Also consider that your child may go into a field that requires hours that other students might work.  If your child goes into a performing art, they may need to spend their evening hours in rehearsal.  Or they may need to get a 4.0 in order to get into graduate school for their degree.  There are so many variables that really make paying for a college education these days extremely difficult without savings, especially for middle- income parents like myself.  My son is nearly two, and I am still in graduate school making very little, but my husband and I have already started saving for my son&#039;s education.  If you can do it without sacrificing your retirement savings or other things, then there is really no downside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a current TA and future (hopefully) professor at a university, I feel compelled to comment here.  Several previous commenters have noted that their state schools will be good enough for their children and such, but as an educator and someone who attended a small liberal arts college, I can tell you many students are not a good fit for a large state school.  If your child will fail at a large school, but succeed at a smaller (more expensive) school, wouldn&#8217;t you want to give them that opportunity?  This is not the case for all students, but I have seen many of my own students not finish at the large state school where I currently teach, and I am positive they would have been able to finish at a smaller school where they were comforable and received support from the school.  In addition, if your child got into MIT or Stanford, that would be impossible for them to work their way through, but if you could give them that opportunity, wouldn&#8217;t you want to?  I have seen too many students who simply are unable to work to their full potential because of their outside work responsibilities to require my own kids to do that.  Earning their own spending money or living expenses is one thing, but students who have to work long hours to pay extensive bills are almost always at a disadvantage.  Also consider that your child may go into a field that requires hours that other students might work.  If your child goes into a performing art, they may need to spend their evening hours in rehearsal.  Or they may need to get a 4.0 in order to get into graduate school for their degree.  There are so many variables that really make paying for a college education these days extremely difficult without savings, especially for middle- income parents like myself.  My son is nearly two, and I am still in graduate school making very little, but my husband and I have already started saving for my son&#8217;s education.  If you can do it without sacrificing your retirement savings or other things, then there is really no downside.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Roenigk</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2006/07/06/are-college-funds-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-106233</link>
		<dc:creator>L. Roenigk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 48 year old mother of two (8 &amp; 12), I am both worried about my retirement as well as funding college for my kids. I hope to be able to pay for my kids to go to college. It was expected of me, and I expect it of my kids. My parents paid for me to go and to that, I say THANKS MOM AND DAD! My husband and I are socking away the maximum in our 401Ks, and are contemplating our next step. We are thinking about the ROTH IRA with the understanding that we may be able to draw that money out for our kid&#039;s education. Meanwhile, if our kids pursue financial aid, the retirement accounts, including the ROTH IRA, will not be considered amongst our assets. Don&#039;t know if that is true; we are in the process of investigating. WE are not sure that the 529 has that much value vs. just saving funds ourselves (in North Carolina). So we are still investigating that option.  Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 48 year old mother of two (8 &amp; 12), I am both worried about my retirement as well as funding college for my kids. I hope to be able to pay for my kids to go to college. It was expected of me, and I expect it of my kids. My parents paid for me to go and to that, I say THANKS MOM AND DAD! My husband and I are socking away the maximum in our 401Ks, and are contemplating our next step. We are thinking about the ROTH IRA with the understanding that we may be able to draw that money out for our kid&#8217;s education. Meanwhile, if our kids pursue financial aid, the retirement accounts, including the ROTH IRA, will not be considered amongst our assets. Don&#8217;t know if that is true; we are in the process of investigating. WE are not sure that the 529 has that much value vs. just saving funds ourselves (in North Carolina). So we are still investigating that option.  Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also had not a penny from anyone to go to school, and I started college at age 16. I graduated in 4 years with a double major, then worked my way through graduate school in 3 more years while working fulltime.

I too managed with scholarships, grants, loans, and part-time jobs. I didn&#039;t get all A&#039;s but graduated in the top 15% of my class -- and no employer EVER asked me what my college GPA was. Unless you are headed for graduate school, grades are not a big factor in future success. In fact, I&#039;d recommend taking a bigger class load, settle for B&#039;s and C&#039;s, and graduate in 3 years. 

I remember many of my classmates whose parents funded their college years fully. Most took 5 or even 6 years to graduate, and took their studies far less seriously than I did.

I don&#039;t have kids so I can&#039;t comment on what I would do, but my college experience was great and my maturity and degree of self-reliance would not have been there if mommy and daddy had paid for everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also had not a penny from anyone to go to school, and I started college at age 16. I graduated in 4 years with a double major, then worked my way through graduate school in 3 more years while working fulltime.</p>
<p>I too managed with scholarships, grants, loans, and part-time jobs. I didn&#8217;t get all A&#8217;s but graduated in the top 15% of my class &#8212; and no employer EVER asked me what my college GPA was. Unless you are headed for graduate school, grades are not a big factor in future success. In fact, I&#8217;d recommend taking a bigger class load, settle for B&#8217;s and C&#8217;s, and graduate in 3 years. </p>
<p>I remember many of my classmates whose parents funded their college years fully. Most took 5 or even 6 years to graduate, and took their studies far less seriously than I did.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have kids so I can&#8217;t comment on what I would do, but my college experience was great and my maturity and degree of self-reliance would not have been there if mommy and daddy had paid for everything.</p>
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		<title>By: baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened with me - I went on the loans and grants route. Whenever I was in a bind, my parents were able to help me, but I never asked for more then I needed (and generally they only gave enough to cover the expenses I had from school).
I&#039;m still not the best financially, but my fiance on the other hand...

Her parents paid for every dime. EVERYTHING. She worked because she was bored, not because she needed to. She still managed to save up a few thousand dollars in the six months after I proposed to her (being a volunteer and working a low-paying campus job). She&#039;s a frugal QUEEN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened with me &#8211; I went on the loans and grants route. Whenever I was in a bind, my parents were able to help me, but I never asked for more then I needed (and generally they only gave enough to cover the expenses I had from school).<br />
I&#8217;m still not the best financially, but my fiance on the other hand&#8230;</p>
<p>Her parents paid for every dime. EVERYTHING. She worked because she was bored, not because she needed to. She still managed to save up a few thousand dollars in the six months after I proposed to her (being a volunteer and working a low-paying campus job). She&#8217;s a frugal QUEEN.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 07:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in college now, and my parents pay for it. I can&#039;t tell you how grateful I am to them. On the other hand, I also budget my finances well, work a part time job and get good grades. My point here is that if you teach your kids about personal finance and set a good example (even more important), they will value money whether they pay for their college or you do.

I also agree with the point that by paying for your kids&#039; college, you enable them to take better advantage of compound interest. At 20, $40000 means a lot more money for them than it is for you at 50.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in college now, and my parents pay for it. I can&#8217;t tell you how grateful I am to them. On the other hand, I also budget my finances well, work a part time job and get good grades. My point here is that if you teach your kids about personal finance and set a good example (even more important), they will value money whether they pay for their college or you do.</p>
<p>I also agree with the point that by paying for your kids&#8217; college, you enable them to take better advantage of compound interest. At 20, $40000 means a lot more money for them than it is for you at 50.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff -- I did say &quot;likely,&quot; not &quot;certainly.&quot; Not every state is Michigan or Illinois, and even in Illinois, a number of the state universities are fairly bad. The bottom line is, it&#039;s not smart to just assume that a bargain school (good or not -- what if you kid is driven in a particular field and the strongest schools are not the excellent bargain state school near you?) will be best for his/her education.

Also, Amberlynn&#039;s point about retirement is a good one. There&#039;s a lot of talk here about how compound returns favor the young -- isn&#039;t putting your kids in a position to start investing young, rather than dumping money into loan repayment, a better lesson to teach? Assuming you&#039;re in a financial position to get them through school with low or no debt, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8212; I did say &#8220;likely,&#8221; not &#8220;certainly.&#8221; Not every state is Michigan or Illinois, and even in Illinois, a number of the state universities are fairly bad. The bottom line is, it&#8217;s not smart to just assume that a bargain school (good or not &#8212; what if you kid is driven in a particular field and the strongest schools are not the excellent bargain state school near you?) will be best for his/her education.</p>
<p>Also, Amberlynn&#8217;s point about retirement is a good one. There&#8217;s a lot of talk here about how compound returns favor the young &#8212; isn&#8217;t putting your kids in a position to start investing young, rather than dumping money into loan repayment, a better lesson to teach? Assuming you&#8217;re in a financial position to get them through school with low or no debt, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Amberlynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amberlynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I each paid our own way through college, and both our parents made too much for us to qualify for grants until we were old enough to not have to report what they made (read: it took us both longer than 4 yrs. immedaitely after high school). We both had to go to inexpensive state colleges (though we could have been accepted to more prestigious ones) and take extra time off to work. I had VERY good scholarships, but only for the first two years, and then had to pay out-of-state tuition to study what I wanted. Both of us highly value that we had to work our way through - 

That said, we just paid off my husband&#039;s student loans last year (at age 31 for him) and mine are still there (age 27). Not an easy way to start out life. (If we could only be putting that money toward our retirement!) And the trend for the cost of college is toward ever higher costs, with higher interest rates on student loans, less federal student aid available (meaning much less scholarship money), and less overall state funding to schools themselves (less options for particular programs).

We&#039;ve waffled on the idea of helping our son or not - but the benefits of compound interest for the young, along with the tax benefits of a 529 plan are just too good too ignore. Best of all, should one of us decide to go back to school, we can use the money for ourselves! It&#039;s totally flexible WHO the money goes to. It *could* end up as money to fund education for fun during our retirement - should our little one not want to go to college.

So, for us, whether or not we&#039;ll pay for any of our kids college is still undecided - but saving for education is certain. Our current income is very meager - so we started the college fund with only $100, and are steadfastly adding $25/month - the minimum allowed in the 529 plan we chose. For our son, at the very least we&#039;ll teach him about wise money management, and encourage him to develop whatever skills he can to be competitive for scholarships.

See my posts on our choices:
http://yellowsgreen.blogspot.com/2006/05/529-plans.html
http://yellowsgreen.blogspot.com/2006/06/ocsp-529-plan.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I each paid our own way through college, and both our parents made too much for us to qualify for grants until we were old enough to not have to report what they made (read: it took us both longer than 4 yrs. immedaitely after high school). We both had to go to inexpensive state colleges (though we could have been accepted to more prestigious ones) and take extra time off to work. I had VERY good scholarships, but only for the first two years, and then had to pay out-of-state tuition to study what I wanted. Both of us highly value that we had to work our way through &#8211; </p>
<p>That said, we just paid off my husband&#8217;s student loans last year (at age 31 for him) and mine are still there (age 27). Not an easy way to start out life. (If we could only be putting that money toward our retirement!) And the trend for the cost of college is toward ever higher costs, with higher interest rates on student loans, less federal student aid available (meaning much less scholarship money), and less overall state funding to schools themselves (less options for particular programs).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve waffled on the idea of helping our son or not &#8211; but the benefits of compound interest for the young, along with the tax benefits of a 529 plan are just too good too ignore. Best of all, should one of us decide to go back to school, we can use the money for ourselves! It&#8217;s totally flexible WHO the money goes to. It *could* end up as money to fund education for fun during our retirement &#8211; should our little one not want to go to college.</p>
<p>So, for us, whether or not we&#8217;ll pay for any of our kids college is still undecided &#8211; but saving for education is certain. Our current income is very meager &#8211; so we started the college fund with only $100, and are steadfastly adding $25/month &#8211; the minimum allowed in the 529 plan we chose. For our son, at the very least we&#8217;ll teach him about wise money management, and encourage him to develop whatever skills he can to be competitive for scholarships.</p>
<p>See my posts on our choices:<br />
<a href="http://yellowsgreen.blogspot.com/2006/05/529-plans.html" rel="nofollow">http://yellowsgreen.blogspot.com/2006/05/529-plans.html</a><br />
<a href="http://yellowsgreen.blogspot.com/2006/06/ocsp-529-plan.html" rel="nofollow">http://yellowsgreen.blogspot.com/2006/06/ocsp-529-plan.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Get Rich Slowly &#187; In Praise of Young Entrepreneurs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get Rich Slowly &#187; In Praise of Young Entrepreneurs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This young woman is making money from her hobby. She&#8217;s also helping her parents to know whether they should provide financial support for college. (My guess: seeing how industrious this girl is, they&#8217;ll be happy to help with what they can.) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I graduated two years ago, zero help from parents. I was able to snag a few scholarships for grades and on-campus leadership, but otherwise my education was largely self-financed, through loans and some part-time work (though I wasn&#039;t working to the point where I was sacrificing the my collegiate experience).

I&#039;m actually pretty grateful it worked out that way, simply because it forced me to do common-sense things like using a budget that has helped me teach me the value of saving and financial planning. I&#039;m able to make monthly loan payments (more than the minimum typically) as well as stay cash-flow positive at all times, paying credit cards off every month, etc.

I&#039;m married now, and kids are still a-ways off, but I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll sock away too much money on our kids&#039; education. My wife and I live in Indiana, so our kids have two really great state schools in Purdue and Indiana to attend (though we&#039;d obviously prefer if they attended Purdue).

What we had talked about doing was take any gifts around the time of the kids&#039; birth and invest that into a interest-yielding account instead of buying brand-new baby clothes or insanely expensive bassinets that they&#039;ll use for just a couple of months anyway. Will that be enough to pay for four years at Purdue? Probably not, but it might pay for one year of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I graduated two years ago, zero help from parents. I was able to snag a few scholarships for grades and on-campus leadership, but otherwise my education was largely self-financed, through loans and some part-time work (though I wasn&#8217;t working to the point where I was sacrificing the my collegiate experience).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually pretty grateful it worked out that way, simply because it forced me to do common-sense things like using a budget that has helped me teach me the value of saving and financial planning. I&#8217;m able to make monthly loan payments (more than the minimum typically) as well as stay cash-flow positive at all times, paying credit cards off every month, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m married now, and kids are still a-ways off, but I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll sock away too much money on our kids&#8217; education. My wife and I live in Indiana, so our kids have two really great state schools in Purdue and Indiana to attend (though we&#8217;d obviously prefer if they attended Purdue).</p>
<p>What we had talked about doing was take any gifts around the time of the kids&#8217; birth and invest that into a interest-yielding account instead of buying brand-new baby clothes or insanely expensive bassinets that they&#8217;ll use for just a couple of months anyway. Will that be enough to pay for four years at Purdue? Probably not, but it might pay for one year of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Telan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Telan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 03:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do what my parents did. They saved up money, but never told me about it. When it came time to get the grants, scholarships, etc, I worked hard on my own to try and make the money. After I was in school for two years, my parents let me know about the fund, and I was allowed to take out certain amounts. I still had to fund my own education, but I could then use the fund&#039;s money for loan payments while still in school, and for travelling abroad my last two years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do what my parents did. They saved up money, but never told me about it. When it came time to get the grants, scholarships, etc, I worked hard on my own to try and make the money. After I was in school for two years, my parents let me know about the fund, and I was allowed to take out certain amounts. I still had to fund my own education, but I could then use the fund&#8217;s money for loan payments while still in school, and for travelling abroad my last two years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to take exception to Chris T.&#039;s comment about bargain state schools.  Take, say, the University of Michigan or the University of Texas, to name a couple &lt;i&gt;extremely&lt;/i&gt; good state schools.  Those will run you $8-11k in-state tuition for a year (not counting summer school).  Room and board pushes that upwards of $20k (significantly less for a very frugal student).  One can go out and earn $6-8k during the summer, and could possibly supplement it by a few thousand with minimal part time (weekend) work during the eight months of school.

That&#039;s still an appreciable debt, one that may be a huge burden on a recent grad trying to start a new life and accrue wealth, but it&#039;s a far cry from $100k or more in debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to take exception to Chris T.&#8217;s comment about bargain state schools.  Take, say, the University of Michigan or the University of Texas, to name a couple <i>extremely</i> good state schools.  Those will run you $8-11k in-state tuition for a year (not counting summer school).  Room and board pushes that upwards of $20k (significantly less for a very frugal student).  One can go out and earn $6-8k during the summer, and could possibly supplement it by a few thousand with minimal part time (weekend) work during the eight months of school.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s still an appreciable debt, one that may be a huge burden on a recent grad trying to start a new life and accrue wealth, but it&#8217;s a far cry from $100k or more in debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to reinforce what others said about the differences between then and now -- unless your child is going to a bargain state school (which will likely be terrible academically), it&#039;s not possible for them to work their way through. They would need to make $30-40k a year plus get good grades.

Leaving college with almost zero debt was a huge, huge thing for me. I can&#039;t imagine anyone wanting to saddle their kids with five figures of debt just as they&#039;re entering the work world, especially since undergraduate degrees mean a lot less on the job market. Lots of debt may also impact their ability to go to grad school or a professional school, which these days can be one of the best roads to a stable, fulfilling career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to reinforce what others said about the differences between then and now &#8212; unless your child is going to a bargain state school (which will likely be terrible academically), it&#8217;s not possible for them to work their way through. They would need to make $30-40k a year plus get good grades.</p>
<p>Leaving college with almost zero debt was a huge, huge thing for me. I can&#8217;t imagine anyone wanting to saddle their kids with five figures of debt just as they&#8217;re entering the work world, especially since undergraduate degrees mean a lot less on the job market. Lots of debt may also impact their ability to go to grad school or a professional school, which these days can be one of the best roads to a stable, fulfilling career.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One note of caution:  keep in mind that more of the grants / work-study jobs / scholarships / good interest rate loans currently handed out are based on  &quot;need&quot; than ever before, and that your child&#039;s estimated &quot;need&quot; will be figured based on your income and resources.  So, just because you were able to make it on your own doesn&#039;t mean that your kid (especially if every time he applies for a grant he&#039;s told &quot;um, but your family has tons of money - we&#039;re reserving this for people who really need it&quot;) will be able to do the same.

That said, I was lucky enough to live in a state with an excellent public university and to make it through pretty much on my own based on merit based scholarships, and I think I&#039;m better off for it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One note of caution:  keep in mind that more of the grants / work-study jobs / scholarships / good interest rate loans currently handed out are based on  &#8220;need&#8221; than ever before, and that your child&#8217;s estimated &#8220;need&#8221; will be figured based on your income and resources.  So, just because you were able to make it on your own doesn&#8217;t mean that your kid (especially if every time he applies for a grant he&#8217;s told &#8220;um, but your family has tons of money &#8211; we&#8217;re reserving this for people who really need it&#8221;) will be able to do the same.</p>
<p>That said, I was lucky enough to live in a state with an excellent public university and to make it through pretty much on my own based on merit based scholarships, and I think I&#8217;m better off for it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my household, we&#039;ve seen both sides of this equation.  My parents paid for my education in full.  I was told that I had a four-year, non-renewable scholarship.  If it took more than four years, I was on my own.  That was hands-down the greaatest gift my parents ever gave me (though, admittedly, I didn&#039;t fully appreciate it until I was out of school.

On the other hand, my wife&#039;s family didn&#039;t pay a dime.  Taking on close to $700/mo. of student loan payments was a serious burder for her/us in those early post-college years.

Now, as a parent myself, I&#039;m more inclined to follow my parents&#039; lead than hers.  However, I&#039;ve chosen to do so in an account that I have some degree of control over (529).  

One caveat though, if it ever comes down to funding college or our retirement plans, I will choose retirement every time.  There are alternatives for education funding.  There&#039;s no such thing as financial aid for retirement.

Also, keep in mind that non-loan financial aid is likely much harder to come by than when you were in school.  If your household income is above about $50K, the gov&#039;t thinks you should be able to pull your own weight (meaning forget about grants and subsidized loans).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my household, we&#8217;ve seen both sides of this equation.  My parents paid for my education in full.  I was told that I had a four-year, non-renewable scholarship.  If it took more than four years, I was on my own.  That was hands-down the greaatest gift my parents ever gave me (though, admittedly, I didn&#8217;t fully appreciate it until I was out of school.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my wife&#8217;s family didn&#8217;t pay a dime.  Taking on close to $700/mo. of student loan payments was a serious burder for her/us in those early post-college years.</p>
<p>Now, as a parent myself, I&#8217;m more inclined to follow my parents&#8217; lead than hers.  However, I&#8217;ve chosen to do so in an account that I have some degree of control over (529).  </p>
<p>One caveat though, if it ever comes down to funding college or our retirement plans, I will choose retirement every time.  There are alternatives for education funding.  There&#8217;s no such thing as financial aid for retirement.</p>
<p>Also, keep in mind that non-loan financial aid is likely much harder to come by than when you were in school.  If your household income is above about $50K, the gov&#8217;t thinks you should be able to pull your own weight (meaning forget about grants and subsidized loans).</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a third year college student, I feel it really depends on the child.  Since my parents did not set aside any funds to finance my college education, I had to rely on my grades to earn scholarships and financial aid in order to afford it.  Also, I have held a steady part time job to pay for any additional expenses.  I feel that this has helped me really learn the value of a dollar more so than some of my peers who have had their college education completely financed by mom and dad.  (it has also helped that we are lower income, allowing me to receive more financial aid than if we were higher income).  But if I had wanted to pursue a double major (rather than just majoring in accounting) I would not have been able to, because that requires much more coursework than i could complete in four years while holding a part time job.  And what kind of grades would you expect from your child during college? If you want them making A&#039;s, then working through college might not be their best option.  If I could devote more time to school rather than having to go to work as well, my grades would be much better.

So in short, whether or not you should finance your childs education really depends on what kind of student they are and what you expect out of them. Or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a third year college student, I feel it really depends on the child.  Since my parents did not set aside any funds to finance my college education, I had to rely on my grades to earn scholarships and financial aid in order to afford it.  Also, I have held a steady part time job to pay for any additional expenses.  I feel that this has helped me really learn the value of a dollar more so than some of my peers who have had their college education completely financed by mom and dad.  (it has also helped that we are lower income, allowing me to receive more financial aid than if we were higher income).  But if I had wanted to pursue a double major (rather than just majoring in accounting) I would not have been able to, because that requires much more coursework than i could complete in four years while holding a part time job.  And what kind of grades would you expect from your child during college? If you want them making A&#8217;s, then working through college might not be their best option.  If I could devote more time to school rather than having to go to work as well, my grades would be much better.</p>
<p>So in short, whether or not you should finance your childs education really depends on what kind of student they are and what you expect out of them. Or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very lucky to have my entire college funded by bonds.  The incredible bond market in the early 80s enabled my grandparents and child-less uncle to give me savings bonds as gifts throughout my childhood.  Since I went to a public school at the turn of the century (graduated in 2004), I was able to fund all but about $100 of my college with the proceeds from the bonds.

So, I didn&#039;t have a college fund, per se-- but the money was there when and if I needed it. And if I didn&#039;t go to college, it was there for a house, or a car, or whatever I would need to get myself started on my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very lucky to have my entire college funded by bonds.  The incredible bond market in the early 80s enabled my grandparents and child-less uncle to give me savings bonds as gifts throughout my childhood.  Since I went to a public school at the turn of the century (graduated in 2004), I was able to fund all but about $100 of my college with the proceeds from the bonds.</p>
<p>So, I didn&#8217;t have a college fund, per se&#8211; but the money was there when and if I needed it. And if I didn&#8217;t go to college, it was there for a house, or a car, or whatever I would need to get myself started on my own.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have children, so consider that when reading my comments. In the original thread, I wrote:

Can you afford to set aside a couple thousand dollars a year for your kids for a few years? It will make an enormous difference if you do this now. The money will have a chance to grow. The sooner you start the better. 

If you really want to teach your kids a lesson about the value of money, have them reimburse your for whatever your cost-basis is once they come of age. (In other words, if you invest $10,000 and it grows to $50,000, give them $5 for every dollar they pay you.) Or something.

But please consider the advantages of starting to save now. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2006/05/23/how-compound-interest-favors-the-young/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Compound returns favor the young.&lt;/a&gt;

Something else: Who says you have to tell your kids that you&#039;re saving for them? Just do it. If they deserve the money when they&#039;re older, give it to them. If not, don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have children, so consider that when reading my comments. In the original thread, I wrote:</p>
<p>Can you afford to set aside a couple thousand dollars a year for your kids for a few years? It will make an enormous difference if you do this now. The money will have a chance to grow. The sooner you start the better. </p>
<p>If you really want to teach your kids a lesson about the value of money, have them reimburse your for whatever your cost-basis is once they come of age. (In other words, if you invest $10,000 and it grows to $50,000, give them $5 for every dollar they pay you.) Or something.</p>
<p>But please consider the advantages of starting to save now. <a href="http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2006/05/23/how-compound-interest-favors-the-young/" rel="nofollow">Compound returns favor the young.</a></p>
<p>Something else: Who says you have to tell your kids that you&#8217;re saving for them? Just do it. If they deserve the money when they&#8217;re older, give it to them. If not, don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with George, but I also agree that it is not a parent&#039;s absolute duty to pay their kid&#039;s way through school. If the choice eventually boils down to the parent&#039;s financial well-being or funding the kid&#039;s college, I think the former wins.

(I think it&#039;s reasonable to plan for a paid-for in-state education at a reasonable college--if Jr. just has to go to an out-of-state college, that can be on their dime.)

I have no problem with parents paying for kids schooling, it just shouldn&#039;t be at the expense of their own financial security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with George, but I also agree that it is not a parent&#8217;s absolute duty to pay their kid&#8217;s way through school. If the choice eventually boils down to the parent&#8217;s financial well-being or funding the kid&#8217;s college, I think the former wins.</p>
<p>(I think it&#8217;s reasonable to plan for a paid-for in-state education at a reasonable college&#8211;if Jr. just has to go to an out-of-state college, that can be on their dime.)</p>
<p>I have no problem with parents paying for kids schooling, it just shouldn&#8217;t be at the expense of their own financial security.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to keep in mind is that the cost of a university education in most areas has increased over the past decade far more than the rate of inflation.  While it may have been possible in the 1980s and 1990s to &quot;work your way through school&quot;, it&#039;s far more difficult to do that now, and is likely to be even more difficult when today&#039;s children are entering university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to keep in mind is that the cost of a university education in most areas has increased over the past decade far more than the rate of inflation.  While it may have been possible in the 1980s and 1990s to &#8220;work your way through school&#8221;, it&#8217;s far more difficult to do that now, and is likely to be even more difficult when today&#8217;s children are entering university.</p>
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