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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2006/07/29/the-british-monetary-system-demystified/comment-page-1/#comment-146093</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a handy table. Good work.

I would add, however, that &quot;pence&quot; is the plural of &quot;penny&quot; and thus is not used for 1p or its fractionals.

To satisfy tahrey&#039;s curiosity, the abbreviations £/s/d stand for &quot;libra&quot;, &quot;solidus&quot;, and &quot;denarius&quot;, respectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a handy table. Good work.</p>
<p>I would add, however, that &#8220;pence&#8221; is the plural of &#8220;penny&#8221; and thus is not used for 1p or its fractionals.</p>
<p>To satisfy tahrey&#8217;s curiosity, the abbreviations £/s/d stand for &#8220;libra&#8221;, &#8220;solidus&#8221;, and &#8220;denarius&#8221;, respectively.</p>
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		<title>By: tahrey</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2006/07/29/the-british-monetary-system-demystified/comment-page-1/#comment-97761</link>
		<dc:creator>tahrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or in other words 1 dickensian farthing = 1 dollar at 2007 exchange rates, should that make the sums more meaningful to anyone!

also, my kingdom for an edit button!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or in other words 1 dickensian farthing = 1 dollar at 2007 exchange rates, should that make the sums more meaningful to anyone!</p>
<p>also, my kingdom for an edit button!</p>
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		<title>By: tahrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>tahrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(a quick calculation shows that the half farthing, at first sight a tiny worthless coin, would buy at least 26p of similar-value goods in the modern world, taking the famous £20-a-year dickens quote as a basis and comparing it to a roughly £10,000 minimum wage in 2007... so it may still have been a comparitively coarse measure, but I&#039;ll bet things were somewhat more expensive all round at the time, with few luxuries for the lower classes and the primary concern being to earn enough to stay adequately - let alone comfortably - fed, clothed and housed)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(a quick calculation shows that the half farthing, at first sight a tiny worthless coin, would buy at least 26p of similar-value goods in the modern world, taking the famous £20-a-year dickens quote as a basis and comparing it to a roughly £10,000 minimum wage in 2007&#8230; so it may still have been a comparitively coarse measure, but I&#8217;ll bet things were somewhat more expensive all round at the time, with few luxuries for the lower classes and the primary concern being to earn enough to stay adequately &#8211; let alone comfortably &#8211; fed, clothed and housed)</p>
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		<title>By: tahrey</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2006/07/29/the-british-monetary-system-demystified/comment-page-1/#comment-97759</link>
		<dc:creator>tahrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed a slight trick there in showing how shillings compared to pence - i.e. 12d to the s (no, i have no idea why it was abbreviated &#039;d&#039;... can only assume its some french/latin holdover such as pounds using &#039;lb&#039; for weight and the L-like £ for money).

4 farthings = 1 pence
12 pence = 1 shilling (48 farthings)
20 shillings = 1 pound (240 pence, 960 farthings)
1 pound 1 shilling = 1 guinea

It was nothing if not flexible, and has similarities in various ways to binary and the base-60 organisation of time (with a common root in 12, and divisions/factors of it). A lot of old counting systems were divided this way rather than decimally as it made simple divisions by 2, 3, 4, (5,) 6, etc a whole lot easier, and though the multiplication mathematics may seem tricky at first, its a piece of cake when you memorise a few times-tables (same as binary :))

Not sure why the weights and measures system is organised differently though! Something that cost you a pound (or a shilling) for a pound weight would be difficult to pay for with a certain number of shillings (or pence) if you only wanted an ounce (1/16th)... and no word on if there was ever a larger measure of currency than the pound - admittedly a huge sum at the time (1 victorian pound = about £500 today) e.g. the stone :)

Many of the coinage conventions and slang words carried over for quite a while following decimalisation in the 70s, where things were rationalised for familiarity somewhat, using the 20s = £1 approach, such that an unofficial shilling was now 5p not 12d. I&#039;ve come variously into contact with some old coins recieved accidentally in change, and e.g. the old half penny is a good match for a modern 2p, florins for (old, large) 10p&#039;s, shillings for 5p&#039;s, so on and so forth... these have seemingly only gone out of use in the last 10-15 years, probably because they were being hung onto by people of my grandmother&#039;s age and older.

Strangely, though the 1 + 2p are the only surviving &#039;copper&#039; coins, matching the old scheme, a 50p (eg half sovereign) is silver, not gold, and a pound coin is considerably weightier than the old sovereigns, possibly due to not being made out of gold, but mostly a tin alloy plated with gilt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed a slight trick there in showing how shillings compared to pence &#8211; i.e. 12d to the s (no, i have no idea why it was abbreviated &#8216;d&#8217;&#8230; can only assume its some french/latin holdover such as pounds using &#8216;lb&#8217; for weight and the L-like £ for money).</p>
<p>4 farthings = 1 pence<br />
12 pence = 1 shilling (48 farthings)<br />
20 shillings = 1 pound (240 pence, 960 farthings)<br />
1 pound 1 shilling = 1 guinea</p>
<p>It was nothing if not flexible, and has similarities in various ways to binary and the base-60 organisation of time (with a common root in 12, and divisions/factors of it). A lot of old counting systems were divided this way rather than decimally as it made simple divisions by 2, 3, 4, (5,) 6, etc a whole lot easier, and though the multiplication mathematics may seem tricky at first, its a piece of cake when you memorise a few times-tables (same as binary <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>Not sure why the weights and measures system is organised differently though! Something that cost you a pound (or a shilling) for a pound weight would be difficult to pay for with a certain number of shillings (or pence) if you only wanted an ounce (1/16th)&#8230; and no word on if there was ever a larger measure of currency than the pound &#8211; admittedly a huge sum at the time (1 victorian pound = about £500 today) e.g. the stone <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Many of the coinage conventions and slang words carried over for quite a while following decimalisation in the 70s, where things were rationalised for familiarity somewhat, using the 20s = £1 approach, such that an unofficial shilling was now 5p not 12d. I&#8217;ve come variously into contact with some old coins recieved accidentally in change, and e.g. the old half penny is a good match for a modern 2p, florins for (old, large) 10p&#8217;s, shillings for 5p&#8217;s, so on and so forth&#8230; these have seemingly only gone out of use in the last 10-15 years, probably because they were being hung onto by people of my grandmother&#8217;s age and older.</p>
<p>Strangely, though the 1 + 2p are the only surviving &#8216;copper&#8217; coins, matching the old scheme, a 50p (eg half sovereign) is silver, not gold, and a pound coin is considerably weightier than the old sovereigns, possibly due to not being made out of gold, but mostly a tin alloy plated with gilt.</p>
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		<title>By: JenK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JenK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 23:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on the Guinea here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_%28British_coin%29

It was the first gold coin, and the Pound Sovereign officially &quot;replaced&quot; it in the nineteenth century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the Guinea here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_%28British_coin%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_%28British_coin%29</a></p>
<p>It was the first gold coin, and the Pound Sovereign officially &#8220;replaced&#8221; it in the nineteenth century.</p>
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