Raising a Family on One Income (Part One) Print
Monday, 14th August 2006 (by J.D.)This article is about Frugality, Real-Life
This is a guest post from my cousin, Mrs. Darling. It originally appeared on her site in a slightly different form.
I’m going to tell you just a bit about how to live on one income, but before doing that I will tell you how I’m qualified. Number one: I live on one income and have done so all our married life. Number two: we have successfully lived on one income. We are not in debt. We truly owe no man, or bank, or corporation, anything!
So how do we do it?
A peek inside my home will answer some of your questions.
A friend once brought someone from her church to my house After leaving, the new lady says to my friend,”I feel so sorry for Mrs. Darling. She lives so frugally. They must be so poor.” So without missing a beat my friend wonders why she thinks that. “Well,” says the sweet lady, “her microwave is so old. They don’t even make those huge cumbersome things anymore and her telephone is still attached to the wall! And the car she drives! That old Monte Carlo is a beast!”
I laughed and laughed when my friend told me this story. I’m happy to say that today I have five phones (none of which are attached to the wall) and I also own a sleek stainless steel microwave. The old ‘72 Monte Carlo is sold and in its place is a Ford Expedition. The Monte Carlo we bought used for $3000. The old phone, the huge 1980 model microwave, and the old cars all served as a stepping stone to the day when we could pay not just $3000 for a car, but $30,000 for an SUV!
At one time I drove a car that I needed to keep my foot on the gas and the brake both, just to keep it running at a stop light. Many times it died anyway. I was dating my husband at the time and he was quite concerned about my lack of decent transportation. He bought me a wonderful 1978 oldsmobile for 800 bucks. I drove it for years until it was totaled in an accident.
You ask why didn’t he just finance a new car for me? Because you never get to the point we are today without sacrifice. You never reach the point of no debt when you’re continually buying things you cant afford. It’s all part of frugal living.
When we bought the SUV, another friend who was steeply in debt bought a used van that they could not afford nor did they need. She thought it would be nice for hauling the kids friends around with them so she bought it. She was complaining about the huge monthly bill they would have. Their credit wasn’t any good and because of that they had to pay a very high interest rate to some rip off car lot. She finished her complaint by saying, “Well at least we can better afford our van than you can that brand new Expedition!” I didn’t say anything. Better to leave her thinking that.
The reality of it was that in all the years gone before, my husband had bought used cars. He rebuilt their engines and completely overhauled them until they worked like new. But never had he bought a new car. That year we bought the Expedition he turned 40 years old. I was pregnant. It was the fall of 96 and we bought a spanking new 97 model. We paid cash for our Expedition. Yes, we could better afford our new SUV than my friend could her used van. It was the first new vehicle my husband ever bought. It is now ten years later and remains the only new vehicle we ever bought. It has about forty thousand miles on it. We use it only for long distance comfort traveling or hauling lots of people.
My main car is a 1993 Honda Accord and hubby drives a clunky old company truck to work every day. Could we afford to bring our vehicles into the 21st century and keep up with the Joneses? Of course, we can, but why should we? These cars still work just fine. It’s just another way of staying out of debt and living on one income.
Yesterday a friend spied our old Super Nintendo by the TV. He commented wryly on our updated game system. We had a good laugh. That’s right — our kids are still having fun with little old Mario. Our kids don’t have Game Boys and we don’t own an Xbox. Just because they make it and they sell it, doesn’t mean you have to have it. The TV that Nintendo game was hooked to is 24-years-old, bought by my husband 24 years ago. It’s called living on one income.
Many of our neighbors have motor homes and quads and toy haulers and fifth wheelers. We have a boat. Our first boat was an old 1973 Titanic-type thing. It was heavy and clumsy, but it was fun. My husband and his brother bought it together 20 years ago. They each forked over 600 bucks for it. It’s served us all these years. This spring my husband bought another boat and sold the old one. He found us a very nice updated (but used) boat on the internet. Could we have afforded a new boat. Yes, we could have. But why?
On our deck sits an incredible eyesore in the form of a hot tub. Ugly red decking lines its sides, paint peeling and slats missing. The heater doesn’t work in it, and it used to leak until hubby fixed it a couple of weeks ago. The inside of the hot tub is beautiful swirled grey and white marble. So why didn’t we just go buy a new one when we can afford to do just that? Because this fixer-upper was free, folks! So we have to buy a heating element and put new decking on the outside of it. It is a cheap thing to do in comparison to buying a new one!
Tomorrow I’m going to do the second part of living on one income. This time we will take more of a look inside the house and see how you can still have nice things for your kids and home, and how you can serve wonderful nutritious meals to your family, all on one income.

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August 14th, 2006 at 6:15 am
wow, this article has so much power within it. it inspired me a lot. thank you for sharing
August 14th, 2006 at 6:27 am
There’s a lot of good stuff in this article, but it’s also misleading in one important way: it supports the erroneous notion that frugality is more necessary with only one income. This is incorrect. I would be tempted to say the two are orthogonal, but in fact, my experience and the experience of those me and my family know (not to mention numerous studies, results, etc.), leads me to believe two things:
1) when you factor in the savings on childcare, medical expense differences, travel, etc., the total extra money available from having two incomes is actually very small - sometimes it’s a negative sum;
2) when a parent stays at home with the children, the children’s personalities and behaviors are almost always much more likely to have a very positive impact on the family’s finances.
The main point of this article, which is right on, is that small sacrifices early to stay out of unnecessary debt will result in significantly higher provisions and lifestyle later on - indeed, this is classic “Get Rich Slowly” - and it is totally true. It’s unfortunate that people erroneously feel like it has anything to do with one/two incomes.
Keeping a parent at home always pays for itself in the long run. _That_ is also a perfect “Get Rich Slowly” principle, one that is worthy of its own full sized articles.
August 14th, 2006 at 7:22 am
I am just amazed that raising a family on 1 income is such a mystery in some parts that it warrants its own multi-part article.
My wife worked part-time for a while after we got married because she wanted to. After a few years, she decided that she wanted to quit to spend more time taking care of things around the house and to be more involved in our church and community. I supported that decision and we had always structured our living so that her income went to extras and additional savings, but the core of our standard of living was supported by my paycheck. She could work if she wanted, but she didn’t have to. The only requirement was, whether she worked or not, that she had to be productive (and that concept was well defined for both of us).
We have been successfully living on a single income ever since. We have no credit card debt, a very small car loan (it was only a small 2-yr loan with at a low interest rate to begin with that I can pay off at any time), and well over half way through a 15-yr mortgage.
Among the folks we know, we are not the exception. I can’t speak about their true financial condition, but I would say at least half of families w/ kids we know are single-income families.
I also agree with Scott that this information is not limited to single-income families. A single income family may very well be bringing in much more money than most dual income families. This advice is valid for anyone with familial responsibilities.
August 14th, 2006 at 7:31 am
I must admit that this is one of the things I’m most fearful of as my wife and I consider having kids. She grew up with mom always at home and wants the same thing for our kids, which I can’t argue with.
But I’m also worried about how one income will manage to pay for everything we will need and/or want for our kids, especially since we are both still young and not making boatloads of extra cash.
August 14th, 2006 at 7:40 am
I completely agree with this lifestyle choice and strive for it. However, I am curious to know how much some of these single-income families (both Mrs. Darling and those in the comments) live on. $30,000, $60,000, $90,000 a year?
Most of my married friends who live on one income do because the husband makes a significant income. But I also see so many people in my area who struggle just to pay rent on two incomes.
I grew up in the rural Pacific Northwest and know many people who live on one income. They are made of the same hardy stock that Mrs. Darling comes from: they grow, build, repair, economize, homeschool, etc. But many of us will never be those kind of people because of our personalities or our upbringing. I can barely check the oil in my car (though I am trying to get better at car maintenance).
I envy those who can build, grow and repair, because they save themselves wads of cash just by using their hands. And while I hope to better myself in these three areas, I don’t kid myself. I know that I will always be better at using a computer.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:02 am
The part about buying used vehicles mirror my own perfectly. I just don’t get why people would spend all that money on a vehicle that’ll be worth half of what they’ve paid for it before they finish signing the loan application.
A couple of weeks ago, I had to take my 12 year old truck into the shop. When I asked my coworker to pick me up he said “Why do you keep throwing money into that thing? If you got a new one like mine, all of the work would be under warranty!” So, I asked, what’s your payment? He told me around $500. I said, first of all, that’s my MORTGAGE payment. But, what you’re saying is, if I buy new, I’ll spend less? Yes.
Let’s do the math: you’ve spent over $6000 in the last year on payments for your truck. I’ve spent, including this last trip to the mechanic, about $600. I also get better milage, so how exactly are you saving money?
August 14th, 2006 at 8:22 am
It is possible - attitude and willpower count so much. Be sure your partner feels the same way about finance, or you’re in for a rough ride.
My wife and I both worked full time for 2 years after marriage, lived on my salary (which was good training for later), banked all of her salary, and set up a 6-month emergency savings account in a MM fund. We kept saving after that goal was met until we had a 20% cash downpayment on a house (to avoid PMI). We purchased our present home as part of an estate sale (the price dropped four times in 12 months - it’s a slow market here in a small town in NC) and did 90% of the repairs, painting, etc. ourselves. Neither of us have ever purchased a new car. We hold two credit cards for traveling, but always pay the balance off within the month. We pay cash for everything. We set up a car savings account when we were married for repair/maintenance costs, and two Roth IRAs for both of us. I contribute the max. yearly, and she contributed to hers until our son was born.
Two years ago we started buying stock on a monthly electronic draft from our checking account. We set up a DRIP so the dividends are automatically reinvested. So now we own less than 20 shares of two stocks, but we plan on holding these until retirement, so small monthly purchases will add up over time.
All of this was done before my son was born. We know we can live comfortably on my take home (under $50k) without my wife working.
Some key points:
Do all this before children come along, if you can …
Eliminate credit card debt (I had about $9500 two years before I got married) …
Consider living in a part of the country with cheaper housing costs …
Drive a good used car and keep it maintained; take public transportation if you can …
Get rid of your cell phones, if not required by your job …
Drop cable and check out DVDs from the public library …
Consider purchasing at least some of your clothes from Goodwill or some other consignment store; you’ll be amazed at what you can find ….
If you get a raise, BANK IT or Invest It!!! Don’t “spend up” to a new “lifestyle” …
Two final points:
My wife will probably go back to 20 or 25 hours a week when my son is in elementary school. We can’t ever get back precious time with him once he starts school …
All of this planning and acting on budget principles in the face of most of society spending itself into a hole will have a positive financial effect on your child down the road.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:53 am
A word of advice for “makingitbig” and others who are considering starting a family in the future: Make starting a family like any other financial plan you already have and take an analytical look at it. My wife recently left her job to raise our child but we knew for two years that we wanted this arrangement. A common approach (that we used) is to live on one income and use the other to eliminate debt and build up savings.
Start the financial diet now and you will afford yourself more opportunities. Even if you can’t fully wean from both incomes today, every bit of diligence will pay dividends (figuratively and literally) tomorrow.
August 14th, 2006 at 9:32 am
In response to Andy, when my wife quit her part-time job I was making closer to $30k than to $60k. During that time I was also putting 10% of gross into my 401(k) (the max my company would match) and we were giving about 15% of our gross to church and charity.
I addition to the advice to bank you raises instead of spending your raises, I would also suggest increasing the percentage (not just the amount) you give with each raise as well; we have worked up to giving about 19% of our gross. For those Christians reading, I encourage you to be faithful with what God has provided and be thankful for the abundant blessings He pours out. For the non-Christians also, please be generous to others and make that a priority in your budgeting.
August 14th, 2006 at 10:39 am
In reply to Andy’s query: I am finishing my PhD (I’ve been in school practically forever!), I make $36k/year working in the department. From that, I support my wife and our 4 children (the oldest is 8). I pay my own tuition. I pay health insurance on all of them except for me (mine is covered by the school). We have no debt (we paid $9k for a minivan over a year ago, all cash). The last time I had help with our finances was when my dad paid part of my tuition as an undergrad, before we got married.
We don’t have cell phones, but we have broadband internet, a yard, always a stocked pantry, a 5yr old car that has no problems, etc. Our children have _never_ mentioned that they didn’t have something they wanted or their friends had.
We could never have been able to afford it if my wife had gone to work. Yes, raising our own kids is hard work, but it definately pays better - financially and in many other ways.
August 14th, 2006 at 10:40 am
Look like I got emoticon’d. That was supposed to say that ” (the oldest is eight) “
August 14th, 2006 at 11:30 am
Very inspirational. I’m putting up a link. Thanks!
August 14th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
“Just because they make it and they sell it, doesn’t mean you have to have it.” I’ve said something like this for a long time - ‘Just because I can afford it doesn’t mean I have to buy it.’
August 15th, 2006 at 6:06 am
[...] Get Rich Slowly offers a post by his cousin, Mrs. Darling, on living on one income. It is a solidly motivational piece of writing concerning frugality. (I wouldn’t choose to buy an SUV new, or, well, at all, but at least her family could afford what they bought!) [...]
August 17th, 2006 at 2:52 pm
Michael wrote:
“Get rid of your cell phones, if not required by your job …”
I think this really depends on where you live.
I spend far less on my cell phone in a metropolitan area than I did on my land line. I don’t have to pay for long distance, I don’t have to pay to have a metro-wide number to call 3 area codes and I don’t get slammed with higher in-state rates.
My land line bills used to cost me regularly $150 bucks a month to cover all those items.
My current cell bill is in the neighborhood of $50.00
December 28th, 2006 at 7:08 am
I just want to say that my husband and I are raising 4 children and on one income. My husband has been blessed this year with a raise but our income was under 30K for a long time. AND WE DID JUST FINE. As I tell my children…Rich or poor can be a state of mind. We raised our kids owned everything we had and owed no one on one income of $7.50/ hr. Poor NO, just wise with what we had to work with.
March 1st, 2007 at 7:02 am
Actually, since Mrs. Darling didn’t have a career–and thus, two incomes–to begin with, I didn’t find this all that helpful. It sounded to me like someone congratulating herself on how wise she’s been instead of someone who honestly wanted to help others, who may not have been as wise, learn how to become more self-sufficient.
March 1st, 2007 at 7:03 am
Sorry. I meant to say “[S]ince it doesn’t sound like Mrs. Darling had a career–and thus, two incomes–to begin with…”
March 1st, 2007 at 2:43 pm
“Cavamil,” why don’t you try reading what’s said rather than stopping at what “it sounds to you like”?
Lessons in frugality are helpful to everyone, working or not. Mrs. Darling was answering the standard nonsense about “people can’t get by on just one income.” She’s saying that not only did she and her husband manage to get and stay debt-free, but she NEVER had to go draw a paycheck to “make ends meet.”
You may not mean it, but you argue that any testimony should be a how-to manual covering all contingencies. Please take it for what it is–and don’t take things so personally!
March 3rd, 2007 at 4:52 am
I have had a career and my mother and I both have college degrees. Both of us go by Mrs. Darling’s advice. My mother taught it to me as I was growing up. She also did all she did on an income that varied from $40K/year to $17K/year, depending on what my father could get. Furthermore, we do this in New England, with one of the highest living costs in the country.
I read an earlier comment about barely knowing how to check the oil in a vehicle, about how our changed personalities and upbringings have made it difficult to hold to the same standards. Since the original feminist activist statements about homemakers being lazy idiots have sunk into people’s subconscious, we have forgotten how challenging it is to concentrate on this full-time. Learning how to perform basic auto maintenance and picking up an elementary diagnosing capability is just one of the many facets of doing things yourself instead of paying for someone else to do them.
March 5th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
My question is, what if you live in an area where housing prices are outrageously high? We have absolutely no debt except for our mortgage and live exceptionally frugally. Our one huge expense is our house payment. We are what you would call “house poor”. In our city, the only way to live cheaper would be to live in a tiny apartment (probably in an unsage area) or to live in a VERY unsafe neighborhood (I’m talking bullets flying every night). The houses in unsafe neighborhoods run around $50,000 and then in a decent, middle class neighborhood quickly jump up to over $200,000. There literally is no in between. Believe me, we’ve looked and looked. We have cut expenses every where else that we can. Our only option for living on my husband’s not-very-high income is for him to work another part-time job or for me to work part time. For now, while the kids are little and really need me, he is working 2 jobs, but we don’t know how long he can keep that up. (He has health problems and is exhausted all the time).
I guess most experts would say we should sell our house and move to the tiny apartment, or move to an unsafe neighborhood and just “trust God”, but God has not given us any peace about either of those two choices.
I guess I write this to say that sometimes the cost of living in certain areas really does require 2 or at least 1 1/2 incomes no matter how frugal you are.
Thank you.
March 6th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
Julie, I’m in the same boat. I am pregnant with our first child, and would like to stay home, but we can’t afford it.
My hubby makes a very decent income, but because of our house payment (which we could have reduced by about $100 a month by living farther away from his work and in a place much less likely to go up in value), we can’t afford to have me stay home, barring a miracle. He does a very tight budget every month, keeping track of where every penny is going, and the only place he determined we could cut back is eating out (try to do it 1-2 times per month instead of 3-4, which would only save about $30-40 anyway). We have no TV, no cell phones, most of our furniture is gifts or hand-me-downs, and we paid cash for our vehicles so have no car payments.
We, also, have no peace about moving to the tiny apt. or an unsafe neighborhood. What to do but pray?
March 7th, 2007 at 6:52 am
You can’t. There are areas in the NE (Manhattan, Boston), CA (SF, LA, OC, SD), HI where living on one income is next to impossible if that one income is $30k. And it can be $30k. Not everyone who lives in those areas makes $100k
I live in such an area and for those who are determined to stay at home, more than one couple I know work split shifts. Someone works days and the other person works nights. They are not owning a home, but renting. They are very frugal and very conscious about not having debt. But they just cannot make it on 1 person’s salary.
I don’t think the brush should be painted that every couple who both work are doing so for minimal $$. There are those who do it to make ends meet.
Also what about those who both make $100k+. Like my neighbors, both MBAs making extremely good money. She easily outearns the cost of daycare even at $2k/month (the most expensive, it can be $1500). So for them working doesn’t put peanuts into their pockets. I don’t know if she’ll work, but I’ll say this, she makes more working than not.
March 8th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
How funny..I had no idea you were Mrs. Darlings cousin. I visit her blog daily.
Great advice…delay gratification until you can afford to pay.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Sorry it’s taken so long to respond. I wasn’t able to surf the Net for several weeks there.
I hesitated responding since it’s been so long, but I wanted to clarify and stress a few things.
Actually, Mrs. W. Pilgrim, I read the whole article three times before I posted my comment. To me, it didn’t sound like she was answering the “typical nonsense”. The “typical nonsense” is that most people get into debt in college, are never taught frugality as children/teens, and in fact, are taught that they should start life in high style or they’ve somehow failed to do better than their parents.
So, by the time most people come across the advice Mrs. Darling gives, they are often in quite a bit of debt. Their second income is no longer a luxury or “freedom” … it appears to be a necessity. They are full of despair and a person saying “See, this is how to do it right,” might come across, as it did to me, as “Well, if you haven’t made sure all your ducks are in a row from your late teens/early twenties you might as well forget it because you aren’t going to save much money now, hon.”
In spite of how I may sound, I didn’t take anything in the article personally. I haven’t worked since my marriage to my husband (about 9 years ago) and we have five children with one on the way. I didn’t find it helpful because I know people who are in different circumstances and I know for a fact they would have been offended by this article.
I agree that the article didn’t need to cover every situation. However, I will say that when a person writes an article about all the good choices they’ve made with no allowance that others may not have been as wise, it comes across as self-congratulatory and smug, no matter what the content.
Then again, perhaps it was the title that got me. It sounded more impersonal and less anecdotal than the article. It might have helped if the title had been “How I Am Raising My Family on One Income (Part One)”. Then, I might have been expecting the consistent focus on her family and personal experiences.
Either way, it really doesn’t matter. Mrs. Darling has probably reminded some of the younger ones of things they should do and helped the ones who have been wise feel better about their current life. No sarcasm there … it’s a good thing.
April 7th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Great article!
April 13th, 2007 at 10:48 am
Great article. My husband and I are trying to do this right now. We’ve been married three years. I quit work to return to school and to start a freelance writing career. The idea was for me to have a job I enjoy but for it to be a flexible job so I can stay at home with our (future) children.
Last year, after taking a long look at our finances, I decided to go back to work until I get pregnant. We are able to make ends meet just barely on my husband’s salary. But if I work this year, and can get my freelance writing up to about 1/2 of what I now make, we can have all our debt (excluding mortgage) paid off in 18 months - 2 years.
I think DEBT is a huge part of the equation. With debt, excluding a mortgage, you need two incomes if you are middle class earners. But if you can eliminate unneeded “I bought it because I want it now” debt, you can have a one income household.
My two cents
Great site by the way.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
I had to laugh when I got to the part about the Super Nintendo. My husband recently bought a Nintendo 64 at a used game shop. He got Super Mario Carts - always a favorite of his back in the day - and is thrilled with it. We would never dream of having an Xbox or PlayStation3 - Mario and Peach are just fine. And I’ve even learned how to keep them on the road when we race
April 26th, 2007 at 7:00 am
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April 29th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
Hello. I have a few questions for all of you. Are any of the moms on this website breastfeeding your babies? Infant formula is very expensive and breastfeeding is free. Breastfeeding your baby is much better for your baby and you will save lots of money by not buying formula and lowering health care costs.
Do any of you parents co-sleep with your baby? This saves you money because the baby can sleep in the same bed with you and your spouse. If you have any toddlers, are their cribs in your bedroom? Are your older kids sharing rooms with siblings of the same sex? You don’t have to put each kid in their own room. Americans seem to have a dumb idea that if kids share bedrooms, then the family must be “poor.” If housing costs are too high, then make your kids share bedrooms because it won’t hurt them at all.
Do any of you shop at discount stores like Target, KMart, Ross Dress For Less, TJ Maxx, Big Lots, Value City, Burlington Coat Factory Warehouse, and Overstock.com? Do you bargain shop at the grocery store? Even if you buy necessities or luxury items, it doesn’t mean that you have to pay full retail price.
May 2nd, 2007 at 10:07 am
What would happen to the stay at home person (usually the wife) if there were to be a divorce? These do happen. My only problem with the one income is that if the husband decides to change wives, then the first wife is left with no income and most likely no marketable skills.
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:04 pm
What would happen to the stay at home person (usually the wife) if there were to be a divorce? These do happen.
Doesn’t even have to be that. My mother always told me I had to be able to pay a mortgage and support my family, because what if my husband died or was disabled? (I got the impressed she thought “disabled” was worse than “died”!!)
July 9th, 2007 at 5:01 am
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July 9th, 2007 at 9:47 am
You can’t do this in all parts of the country and with all modes of employment. Also, she never mentions whether they own their house. If so, how could they afford to buy a house without a mortgage? Where is this house located in terms of the single job they have? How much time does the breadwinner spend at work? My guess: this is one of those snidely proud stories from people who manage to have high-paying jobs and live in distant suburbs in cheap areas of the country and either don’t mind renting a house or were lucky enough to inherit one or rent from a family member and don’t mind living in conservative little towns far from urbanity. Good for them. It’s not a model the rest of the world is lucky enough to follow.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:30 am
I live in Salt Lake City, Utah, and the vast majority of my neighbors have a single breadwinner. However they, like my family, live fairly conservatively and thus get along fine.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
#34…we live in one of the most expensive parts of the country and through lots of scrimping and sacrificing have managed to purchase a home and live on one income. My husband has a decent job, but makes less or the same as most of our friends and family and yet most people around here seem to think the way you do…it’s not possible unless you make lots of money. Well we don’t. We haven’t inherited anything, we’ve just said ‘no’ to lots of unneccesary items. It’s amazing what you can live without if you try. In my experience most of my friends who ‘wish’ they could afford to stay home are unwilling to alter their spending in order to accomodate their wish. I often find myself struggling with resentment over their attitude of us being ‘lucky’. It’s plain hard work and saying ‘no’ to things others take for granted. It’s not easy but it is possible, maybe not for every single family, but certainly for many who would just give it a try and be willing to make some sacrifices.
September 18th, 2007 at 8:08 am
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February 24th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
I have enjoyed reading this article and these replies. I have to say that I don’t know that I COULD give up my job. I love teaching. I admire people (women in particular) that can sacrifice for their families that much. And yes, I know they don’t consider it much of a sacrifice. I sometimes daydream about staying home with my boys, but then I have a three month stint in the summer and remember why God gave each of us unique talents:) Mine is teaching post-secondary students.
The time I am able to spend with my boys (I am very lucky to have a job with only approximately 40 hours) is a blessing. I enjoy EACH and EVERY minute of it. But I often think that I enjoy it so much because of the “time off” I am afforded by working. It keeps me sane. I know there are a lot of women out there that are GREAT at being with children all day and all night, but I am DEFINITELY a better mother to my boys with this situation.
One thing that always has bothered me about the thought of my staying home is that I make considerably more than my husband. I have a very expensive and extensive education and the thought of not using it to better the financial situation of my family bothers me. I can absolutely understand where other very educated women feel differently, but that is the way it is for me.
I do, however, love that this article talks about frugal living. Living frugally can be done (and absolutely should be)in ANY family Whether you have a one- or two-income family, living frugally will pay off in the end. I am working at it. Baby steps. My husband and I already have two children, but we’re trying to eliminate the debt we have acquired. The thing is, I have found that I have to focus on doing better every day. Changing my mindset is a slow process, but I see it as helping my children to not make the same mistakes when starting out that my husband and I did.
Now, I realize that absolutely everyone has an individual situation. Mine is this: my mother keeps my boys during the day. This changes my situation immensely. My outlook could be VERY different if I were not afforded this choice. Everyone has to evaluate his or her (or their) situation and make the decision based on that.
Thank you to the author of the article for her point of view, and thanks to all that replied. I find hearing all your points of view interesting and quite helpful
March 31st, 2008 at 10:40 am
Thanks for the article, it is helpful. One thing people don’t realize is that one income families come in all shapes and sizes and they are not always about having children. My husband and I just became one income (MY income). We have no children but he has left his job to follow his dream of becoming a full time musician. He will complete his album in June.
May 4th, 2008 at 7:22 am
“I completely agree with this lifestyle choice and strive for it. However, I am curious to know how much some of these single-income families (both Mrs. Darling and those in the comments) live on. $30,000, $60,000, $90,000 a year?”
We live on $39,000, and he just took another paycut. We have five children, we don’t get government aid of any sort (though we qualify), we are mostly debt free (we have a mortgage and a small bit of credit debt remains of what we had before we realized how dumb debt is!!), and though we are frugal we don’t feel poor. I know others who make more and have more who think they are so poor…but you can make yourself feel rich by making your wants few, to paraphrase Henry David Thoreau. The only designer clothing my kids wear is what we find at the Goodwill stores in a fancy neighborhood!
“But many of us will never be those kind of people because of our personalities or our upbringing. ”
That doesn’t have to be your fate. Without a right foundation, it will be harder, but it is still possible.
Unlike Mrs. Darling, we didn’t start off properly. We were raised by parents who thought of lines of credit as part of their assets not liabilities, and we both were paying off our college debts well into our 30s. My parents have so much stuff and always want more (and think they are “very poor” when they make about 3x what my husband does). We have fought hard to get out of debt and stay there. Because we started off life with so much debt, it has been especially hard but it has been worth it to stay home with my children and give them something money cannot buy–my time.
We have a small lot, but a big garden, fruit trees, raspberry canes, grape vines, etc. I grew up not allowed to get dirty so this isn’t something I knew how to do as a child, but something I wanted to learn to do. I got a book and learned to fix drippy faucets and broken toilets, and a few months ago I even fixed my broken washing machine with a $10 part.
If you want it bad enough, it can be done. For me, this is what I am choosing to make important in my life, so that is what I am working towards. For others it may not be so.
May 4th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Our gross income is around 90,000. Our average income while buying amd paying off our place was about 50,000.
For anyone still reading this thread let me answer K’s comment from last July. We bought this house new and at that tiem we had a mortgage. We have since paid the house off and no longer owe anything, so yes we own our home outright. We live in Oregon in the metro area and housing is high here compared to most of the country! Our house is now valued at 450,000. Nope, this article is all true and there are no gimmicks and no easy way to achieve this sort of financial freedom. It comes from hard work. Nothing was handed to us on a silver platter.
May 5th, 2008 at 7:28 am
Kimberly Eddy,
Thanks for sharing your experience (#40). I found it inspiring.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
First, I must say that being a SAHM has been very important to my husband and myself. I have been at home teaching our children, ages 12 and 9 for the past 9 years. Before that I was in college as was my husband. That all being said- I must ask- where do you people live that you can afford to cut all of these corners? We don’t have cable, a second car, don’t even own a microwave, etc. and we barely can survive. Our rent is half of what my husband makes. We’ve never bought new cars or any of that, and shopping for clothes at a thrift store is considered a luxury for us, because we don’t shop for clothes at all. We have been blessed by family members who sometimes have more money than they have sense- and honestly, when they buy things for the children that is frivolous (and also things they don’t want) we sell them and let the children purchase things for themselves. For example, they recently sold a gamecube and all of the games and have started saving money to purchase a safety net for their trampoline. No we didn’t get them the trampoline- their single uncle did, but didn’t think they needed a safety net. I sew our clothes and those come from fabric donated to me from very generous quilters who were cleaning out their stashes. Also, since my children are some of the youngest among most of our friends, we are the end of the line as far as getting hand-me-downs. That has been a great blessing for us too, and whatever doesn’t fit can be let out or taken up, or even have ruffles added when things get too short (an added benefit from wearing dresses and skirts only). We have one very in need of a tune up vehicle that we are making payments on- but as a personal loan as opposed to vehicle loan to keep our insurance cheaper. It was purchased from my father-in-law at what he owed on it still. We continue to pay for it, and get tune ups as we can afford it. My husband has worked out a barter system with one of our local dentists so we can get dental care. We have no health care- we only go to the doctor for dire emergencies. I have spent a great deal of research time online and at the library learning about herbal remedies so we care for ourselves. I can’t however set a broken bone. We have homeschooled for over 6 years and have largely depended on my husband’s job at a local book store to purchase books at cost or slightly above. That has been a great blessing. Also there’s the local library too. With gas prices, we’ve taken to walking to the grocery store and appointments. This is also a great thing because it means less gas spent AND exercise, which is a blessing too. Fortunately we live in a college town that has sidewalks everywhere. We can be anywhere in town within 30 minutes of walking. Also, this is our great misfortune, because it is the massive amount of college students who have driven the prices of rent, food, water, electricity, etc. up. The young ready-to-take-your-job population has also made income stay consistently low here. Why don’t we move you ask? When we can barely afford to live here, and have no real savings, we have no means with which to move, plus my husband’s mother lives only 45 minutes away (who currently is in treatment for lung cancer) and my parents live here in town. So- really although we both know how it would cost us for me to go to work- I also know that everyone isn’t going to be able to afford to purchase that vehicle or home or whatever. We would have to cut off our water and electricity in order to save enough to move away, let alone save for some purchase such as a car or house (or even a microwave).
May 6th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Even though we have a car payment and some credit cards, my husband, son, and I get by on one income. It’s too risky in this day and age to buy a house so we rent an apartment. We manage to meet our basic needs.
Prioritize–put needs before wants. I think my husband is thankful that I never went for “shop till you drop”!
May 7th, 2008 at 3:33 am
Mrs. Darling, of course you can get by on one income. $90,000 is far above the national household average. That $50,000 you mention when you bought your home is still above the national household average TODAY. In the Silicon Valley, where entry-level fixer-uppers start at a million dollars and apartments are easily $2,000 or more, $90,000 is enough to live on. So of course you are doing fine on your husband’s income in Oregon where the cost of a home in full is rarely above just a down payment here (I’m in the Silicon Valley).
Do you realize that household average means of ALL adults who are working in the home, including two-income households, or even more? You have clearly forgotten what it’s like living at or below the average, or even to be making poverty-level income between two hard-working people, or are choosing to ignore it. In almost every area of this country, $90,000 is enough to live on comfortably, even splurging on luxuries paid in full.
A far better article would be written by someone living on, or under, the household average, or, better yet, the individual average. It does readers no good to read an article by someone on how anyone can live on one income when that one income is an affluent one. You are wealthy, and I refer not to whatever you have in savings, but just by what is brought into your household in any given year.
Yes, you may have bought your SUV in full. Do you have any idea how long it takes a family to save that much money when their total income per year is that much, or less? For some, it makes more sense to go ahead and go into debt and pay it off slowly so they have the cash available should an emergency arise. Simply saving more isn’t a feasible option, and the cost of interest is worth the safety of having the rest of the cash safely in an interest-bearing savings account, presuming the family makes enough to save that much anyway.
You have the right idea that not everything must be new, but don’t seem to understand that you have the privilege of a wealthy income and the security that comes long with it. The reality for many families is eating Ramen most nights and staggering shifts so someone is always home with Baby because babysitters are too expensive, their sacrifice being personal time together, ultimately becoming near strangers.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Mrs. Darling,
I appreciate your comments and believe most of the things you recommend are true and helpful. But I have to agree that not many families enjoy the luxury of living on 90 grand a year. If my husband made $90,000 / yr, we too, could live quite comfortably on 1 income. I do not work outside the home but choose to be a SAHM and have little side jobs like house cleaning, that I do, to help supplement his income a bit. I do appreciate the helpful site and the time you put into the article here though.
May 12th, 2008 at 7:04 am
You all are forgetting a few things. My husband bought this house at 23 years old. He was an apprentice at the time making about 5 dollars an hour. He saved his money from 15 years old on. This was back in 1975. Times were tough. When I wrote about the old car I was driving I wasn’t married yet and was making $300 a month! The point of this article is to say that we came from having nothing to now owning everything because of right choices we made in the tough times when we were very poor like all of you claim to be! Make the right choices now. Spend wisely now regardless of your income.
People are not just born with a silver spoon. You have to work to climb in a company. You have to work through the tough times.
JD’s weblog is all about getting rich slowly. This article is showing an example of how we got rich slowly on one income. Now we’re making 90,000 but that is because of right choices made early on.
We weren’t rich when we started by no means. Of course you could live comfortably making 90,000 but we didnt just suddenly begin making that much money. We came from poverty and made the right choices in poverty and now have attained what this website is trying to point all of you to and that is financial freedom.
My husband is 50 years old now. Something would be terribly wrong with the choices he made through the years if we were still barely making ends meet and still working at minimum wage. JD is spending hours trying to tell all of you how to achieve this. What good is my advice if at the end of this article I would have said, “My husband makes 15,000 a year!” Wouldnt you think something was terribly wrong with our ability to get rich slowly if thats all he ever achieved in life? You all should be happy to hear that by 50 years old it’s possible to make 90,000 if you do things carefully and make right choices now.
There is a part 2 and a part three to this over at my website that explains this all further if anyone is interested.
And by the way, I have a 25 year old daughter who hasnt been to college and she has worked her way up the corporate ladder until she is now making $57,000 a year. She’s only 25! If she can do it with 2 kids and no college degree then why cant you?
It’s all about making the right choices and getting rich slowly. The average Joe out there did not start out rich. We started where you all are and now we can live comfortably. So dont look at us and think that if you had our income you could do it too. We once made what you make but we climbed out of it and you can too.
My husbands dad died when my husband was 13 and left the family with nothing! My husband worked for everything he has! Nothing was handed to him.
I have an 8th grade education. Nothing was handed to me either.
Its frustrating to me that so many of you cant see that we all start out with minimun wage or apprentice wages, but we dont stay there. If you’re barely making ends meet take the future in your hands and get a job that pays better or move to a part of the country where you can afford to live comfortably. This is America. The dream is alive!
May 12th, 2008 at 7:45 am
“If you’re barely making ends meet take the future in your hands and get a job that pays better or move to a part of the country where you can afford to live comfortably.”
Again, not everybody can just do that. Moving is an expense that can’t be paid BECAUSE of the living expenses. My parents also have saved all of their lives. Growing up I really ate ramen noodles and bologna sandwiches because my parents had to pay bills. They have not been able to move either and are still making less than $30k together. (they will both be 55 this year) My parents had a garden and cut corners. I can’t remember ever having new clothes- always yard sales or hand me downs. They believed that they could also have the American Dream. While some people hit on the thing that people want, or live in an area that there is a corporate ladder, many people don’t live in an area where there’s a business ladder of any kind. That’s so nice for you that you guys came from nothing and made something of yourselves, but everyone can’t do that. It’s inspiring to read that some people do that, but the reality is that not everyone can. Part of this may be because they stay where they are to take care of elderly or sick parents as opposed to moving where the money is. I guess if the money is more important than caring for ill loved ones, then moving is just a car trip away. There would be no one to care for my grandma if my parents had moved away to discover their own “American Dream.”
May 12th, 2008 at 8:30 am
$5 an hour 27 years ago would be a LOT more today than the average hourly rate people make. $5 an hour nearly three decades ago is not the same as $5 an hour today.
I read parts two and three of this series, and in it you later contradict yourself, most notably mentioning here about how you’d talk proud about shopping at Goodwill, then say in a future article that there’s no way you’d dress your children in items from there, only in department store clothing, and went on to insult Goodwill for being dirty and smelly and a few other things.
You need to re-read your own writing for consistency.
May 12th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Hmmm Im not sure why everyone is so touchy about this. I also dont know where Ive said here that Im proud to shop at Goodwill. I hate Goodwill. But I love garage sales. Goodwill isnt the only way to live frugally. For years I hand sewed all of our clothing. It’s okay that I hate Goodwill and think it’s dirty. Ours in this city is. But if I had no other way to clothe my kids then you’d better believe I would shop Goodwill.
May 12th, 2008 at 9:31 am
@Aria … do your research. 27 years ago was 1981. I’m 56 years old and graduated HS in 1970. In 1976 I had my best income year ever … netting (after tax but before refunds) slightly north of $76,000 with a HS education. I was also a single, custodial, Dad of two very young sons.
Today, I have no steady income at all.
In my area of the country (southeast Michigan), $5 / hr. was nothing unusual in those days … in fact, $8 or so would have been the norm. Yes, there were still plenty of minimum wage (~$3/hr) jobs, but most of us weren’t flipping burgers for a living. Burger flipping is just to hold you while you actually WORK at finding a better source of income. If you need more schooling, get it. I don’t care how, but get it. If you can’t find work, make it … start your own business. You’d be surprised how much money is ‘left on the table’ by established company’s. Think I’m kidding? Try hiring a dog-walking service (or even just a dog poop clean-up service)!
Her husband wasn’t making huge wages. He didn’t have to pay today’s gas prices … but he wasn’t knocking down silk-stocking money, either. He still isn’t.
Yeah, $90,000 would leave me fat and sassy. But I have friends who make that much and more and they are sinking fast. They treat debt as an asset and it’s not … it’s a gun pointed at your head.
They worked hard to get to their income level, but not hard enough to stay there. That’s what happens when you don’t educate yourself about how money actually works.
They are driving leased SUV’s that cost $80-100 to fill up … and that need filling 2-3 times a week because they live in McMansions far from where they work.
When gas was a buck a gallon … well, gas ISN’T a buck a gallon anymore.
Detroit is hardly a bastion of public transportation, either. We don’t build busses or trains here, we build cars. And SUV’s. We are decades away from having either the infrastructure for mass transit or even the will to build it.
May 12th, 2008 at 11:13 am
At last someone who actually “gets it”! Thank you!
May 12th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
You aren’t acknowledging the privilege you did have, and that is why people are “so touchy.” Many MANY people stock away every dime they have just to make sure they have something in the bank for the next medical bill because they can’t afford insurance that comes without a deductible, money which must be paid before insurance will contribute a dime. Plenty of people work their asses off at two, sometimes even three or four, jobs to keep a roof over their heads and food in their bellies, with a cup of coffee at Starbucks being a once-every-three-months luxury. Your writing makes it sound as if no one has an excuse to not be wealthy if they just stick their minds to it. But that is not reality. You are out of touch with that. Jobs are going overseas. There are only so many corporate jobs out there. There are only so many jobs period, and far more workers, to the point that employees are reverse-auctioning their skills. I saw a job posting several days ago for a job paying $14 an hour that required a Ph.D! Companies can be that picky!!
Rather than present your life as a struggle to make ends meet (on $90k per year) and saying anyone can do it, take a step back and get over yourself. Anyone can try, but there is only so much anyone can do. Some are fortunate to be in better areas than others. Some are not.
If you want to be helpful, state it as this is what you have done, the times were different, but the ideas are the same. Quit making it sound like you think you’re struggling and quit making it sound like what you’ve achieved is achievable by everyone. If you really believe it is, go to a ghetto and see what those people have to get by on, the opportunities they have. And tell me how they have much hope are getting out when they’re working at age 12 to help put food on the table. It’s not legal, but it’s life. You are only used to seeing what you want to see. Take a walk outside of your upper-middle-class/affluent life and see what many people have to work with. Until kissing my job good-bye and working full time on my own business, my household income was near what yours is, and I acknowledge I’m fortunate, but also never lost sight of that fortune that not everyone is afforded. You’ve got 20-something years on me. Maybe that accounts for your lack of touch with modern reality and the struggles people face today just to get by.
May 12th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
I have known a time when I havent had shoes to wear. Ive known a time when I only had powdered milk to drink and that had to be watered down to reach around for the month. I’ve known what its like to have the lights shut off because there was no money to pay the bill. I’ve known what its like to have to take the bus everywhere I go or else walk when there wasnt a dime for the bus. Ive known a time when I had to hold down three part time jobs and raise my daughter alone while I went to college full time after only 8 years of grade school. I’ve had professors knock points off my grade because I couldnt afford paper and had to write my essay on the back of anything I found. I’ve eaten meals provided by the Salvation Army. I’ve known winters with only bear meat to eat and that bear was trapped in our own trap behind the house.
Have you had to do any of this? Have you ever personally lived through this kind of poverty?
I have and I’ve pulled out of it all. Now do you want to tell me Im out of touch?
May 12th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Worse. I’ve been homeless. As in sleeping in a park, trying to keep out of sight. And I clawed and fought my way out of it, and had some luck along the way.
What makes you out of touch is thinking that today is the same as the late 70’s and early 80’s, and insisting that anyone can be wealthy if they try hard enough. Realistically there is only so much one can do, and the rest is up to an employer whether or not to give a raise to someone barely making ends meet. There aren’t a ton of jobs out there someone can switch to, not anymore.
May 12th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Hmm well, if you dont want to believe that the American dream can be yours theres nothing more I can do for you! You will stay in whatever economic class you are in for the rest of your life. Good luck and all the best to you.
May 12th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Go tell people in a ghetto that the American dream can be theirs too. But I guess they aren’t working hard enough. It worked out for you, but not everyone has the same opportunities. You are an elitist.
May 12th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
I think it has become touchy because most people don’t make $50k even now. That’s not slumming it like many Americans. Digging through the dumpster and eating one meal a day at a half way house because you can’t get a job- that’s slumming it. It’s not realistic for someone as well off as paying off their home on a “meager” $50k annually to tell the rest, who maybe see $15-20k annually (even now) how to “make it.” It’s not always a matter of “get out of your spend it mentality” that will help a person. If you have to choose between washing laundry (at the laundromat because you live in a bad neighborhood apt. where there is no laundry hook ups) and paying the light bill, the laundry becomes a luxury. Does that sound like what you and your husband had to choose between? I hardly think driving a beat up old car qualifies as poor. At least you had a car. Many people could not take $1 to spare at the end of their month- or find that there is just more month at the end of their money than is possible. It’s not necessarily because they spend frivolously- unless buying food (ramen noodles, powdered milk, and peanut butter) is a luxury too.
I’m not here to judge how you made it successfully- I’m so happy for you and your family. I pray that others can live in comfort too one day, but giving people the “right formula” from your own experience only applies to people who had the same experience (the same income level) and most people don’t. I think it’s only natural for people to point out the fallacy in this type of “look I came from nothing” when clearly you did *not* really “come from nothing.”
May 12th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
BK, you hit the nail on the head. Mrs. Darling was never as far down as some people are. Her husband’s income was never so extremely low. Even that $5 27 years ago was a decent chunk of change, even if not wealthy. Plenty of brilliant people out there won’t get the chance because they can’t afford a business suit. Her situation was indeed far more fortunate. I wish she could see that and acknowledge it and not insist that it’s something everyone can do. It’s not. It’s really not. Some people have less than even the basics. What’s there to cut back on?
May 13th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Folks, you don’t know Mrs. Darling and her background. There’s no need to be judgmental. Is she wrong for speaking in generalizations (”anyone can do it”)? Perhaps. But it’s an error of goodwill.
Having known Mrs. Darling since I was a boy, I can vouch that she grew up in poverty. As poor as Aria? Maybe not. But poverty isn’t a pissing match. It’s not a badge of honor to be poorer than your neighbor. Poor is poor, and Mrs. Darling’s family was poor.
I don’t know much about her husband’s background, but I do know that he has worked damn hard to get where he is. Yes, he makes $90,000/year, but he hasn’t always. And Mrs. Darling has been practicing her advice for their entire marriage.
Anyhow — enough name-calling, and enough attacking somebody who’s only trying to help. It’s ridiculous. If it continues, I’m locking the thread to comments.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:48 am
It is my hope and prayer that you never have to hit that “rock bottom” that some people live in to understand this Mrs. Darling. I know that you only speak from your own experience and that you don’t mean harm towards those of us who have been in real poverty. But let us not forget our brothers and sisters all over the world, who’s poverty would make our eating out of garbage can poverty seem rich- at least we are fortunate enough to live in a country where there IS food in the trash. How fortunate for us that people *are* so wasteful as to throw out things useful to those of us who have had to or maybe still have to glean from the cast offs of the rest of society. God has blessed us, and I hope he continues to bless you too Mrs. Darling in the way that He has. He has blessed each one according to His own will.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Up until 10 years ago, we were living the American dream. My husband had a good job in Manufacturing (despite not only not finishing school, but not being able to read past a 3rd grade level when he got the job), and we had an affordable home in the country, which appraised much higher than what we paid for it, and we did the “wise” 20% down thing. We bought a house that was $100K less than what we were “pre-approved” for–and thank GOD for that! Imagine that some people said it was foolish to not take advantage of what we were pre-approved for!
Then one day, he went to work and his shop was closed with no warning. He got a new job at HALF the hourly pay rate (the only one he could find after weeks of looking), and two months later they announced they were closing and moving overseas and that everyone would get a handsome severance check. they did hand those out, but they bounced, as did the last 4 paychecks, causing us to spend what remained of our emergency savings because of all of the fees involved that they didn’t pay, and still haven’t paid (they filed bankruptcy, and they claimed everyone stole things from the shop, which a few bitter employees did do). He went through a few other jobs, each time a lack of work causing either layoffs or insisting that anyone wanting to keep their job take a pay cut. this went on for a few years, until one of the companies where he was working went out of business (again bouncing the last paycheck).
Then he worked out of state for a while, and we were ready to move because of the situation. When he got the job in a neighboring state, we called a Realtor, and found out our house, which was worth well over what our purchase price was when we bought it was now worth far less than what we owed on it because of the economic situation in our area (houses being foreclosed and not selling, and if they did sell they sold for well under what they used to be worth). We put it on the market for what we owed, and no one even looked at it for over a year, though it is a lovely house, and so my dh worked in another state, living in the basement of a widow for a cheap rent, and coming home once a month, which was very difficult as you may imagine. He finally found another job, up here, but they went out of business a short while later, and then another job, and still another…we are now 10 jobs removed from that original first job, and each time his hourly wage has gone down, and his benefits package has also gone down. He tried to get a job at Walmart or a fast food place in the area, but they are not hiring, and they told him they are giving preference to people who have no job at all, not people who need a second job. My daughter (a teen) can’t find work anywhere either…no place is hiring in our area, and as I said, we can’t move now that the house is not worth what we owe. He drives 50 miles one way to work, which at $4 a gallon gas is getting to the point where he cant’ afford to go to work! Thankfully he has been able to find someone to carpool with. We live in Michigan, which means we have no public transportation that runs regularly, and there is nothing going from our township to his work area. We’re stuck, and judging from the number of homes in foreclosure around us, we are among the “lucky” ones that have at least managed our finances in such a way as to be able to roll with it, though going from working our way up to earning $100K 10 years ago to earning $30K is really a DRAG to say the least, especially at our ages, and working so hard to get ahead.
As a family we have begun doing website design, and I am a freelance writer, and my husband is very diligent, having learned how to do programming, and also doing quite a bit of consulting in his field for other shops that are too cheap to hire him full time. He does this at night. He leaves the house at 4 am, and gets home around 10pm, and we can barely pay our bills. On weekends he also works on website design, and we all work in the garden where we raise much of our groceries. The township recently told us that our chickens violate the “new” zoning law they passed without telling us, and so we had to get rid of those, and lose about $50 a week in income plus the eggs and meat. I have fillings falling out, and my insurance won’t cover it because of how old they are, and so I am saving up for some new fillings and just not eating anything hot or cold for the time being, and trying to ignore the pain. We make slightly too much to be approved for government funded insurance.
We are working our butts off here. Obviously we are not in the same position as others, and maybe I’ll be criticized too for having once made $100K and still having a roof over our heads…we thank God every day that we’re not homeless, as it could have happened so easily…I obviously have a computer and internet access…we are able to buy food though not the healthy stuff that we’d prefer….sometimes we splurge by going to the dentist (LOL)…and we are always exploring other means of earning extra income as a family and as individuals, and learning new skills that we can use in an entrepreneurial way…but it is discouraging when we have an annual reduction in pay while expenses keep going up and up.
Mrs. Darling has shared with us from her heart about things she has learned “getting rich slowly” and I find it sad that everyone is so critical of her. Despite being crazy jealous of her life (~smiles~) I found her post helpful and a reaffirmation of what we are already doing. It’s been far more helpful than those asinine articles on Yahoo news about saving money by not eating out more than once a week (no, really? DUH!), and planning your shopping trips. THOSE are the articles that have gotten my dander up!
May 13th, 2008 at 11:41 am
J.D., are we supposed to praise her for overlooking that her life circumstances were exceptional and her presumption that ANYONE can do what she’s done? She IS out of touch with reality if she’s going to insist that anyone can, and it’s just a matter of working hard enough and spending wisely. That is really not the case. You do the best you can with what you have, but when you don’t have enough despite working your butt off, what else can you do but skip sleep to work more and die?
May 13th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Aria, I’m not asking you to praise Mrs. Darling. I’m asking you to quit picking on her. It’s uncalled for. You’re on the same team. Play nice.
May 13th, 2008 at 11:48 am
It’s not picking on her wanting her to acknowledge she had privilege on her way up and to stop saying that anyone can do it if they want it enough. That’s belittling to those who have less than enough for basics while working all the hours humanly possible.
May 19th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
I was surprised to see a link to this post from LAF–I read and commented on this last year (I commented on part 2). I ended up with a response to my question on the author’s blog site.
While I completely give credit to Mrs. Darling for maintaining a debt-free lifestyle, I do think that she should clarify that her husband was financially stable when she married him (i.e. her answer to my question was that he paid her previous debts).
I only bring this up because I think that the beginning of this post is somewhat misleading. It seems that her husband is the one who was initially frugal and had bought the house, planned and saved before meeting her. Again, I do credit her with maintaining his initiative! I also feel blessed to have married such a man–he was financially stable, responsible, and organized and I too was a single mom with bills.
I wish there were more responsible men out there like this to start their families off on the right foot.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Wow, what I thought was a nice article about one families success, became as some see it, a story about affluent fat cats with rose-colored glasses. Common Aria! America is the land of opportunity like it or not! If people choose to feel bad for themselves and make excuses concerning their misfortunes, then too freaking bad. Aria, maybe you and JD should get over yourselves and stop putting the blame on others for your shortcomings. Is it our fault you grew up in worse conditions than the author? No of course not. Are you that egotistical to place yourself on the perch of self-righteousness and pass judgment on society?
Aria, here is as a very short background on my family’s journey of “success”. I grew up poor with three brothers and a father in prison. I had a wonderful mom who quit school in 8th grade because of poverty and having no parents. She married young and struggled mightily! My dad went to prison when my brothers and I were kids and never returned. My mother worked several simultaneous menial jobs to support us. I use the word support loosely, we barely had enough food and yes my friends – indoor lights were a luxury!
One thing we were never short on in our home was love. My mother dreamed of the day she could provide us a better life and through hard work and many, many years she did achieve success. Much after my brothers and I left home to become men. My mom earned her high school diploma, and graduated nursing school on a state grant (allotted for people below poverty). The greatest thing my mom thought us was hard work pays off and never stop trying to achieve your dreams, she never felt bad about our situation and tried to stay positive. Her positive attitude and the belief that good things happen to good people paid off.
My mother now owns a home in a beautiful area and is planning on retiring in a few years. My brothers and I are very successful, due largely to our childhood struggles and my mother’s love and positive influence. Yes, we were very poor, but never did we let it become a cop-out. You see, I have met many people who love to place blame on others for their failures e.g., my dads an alcohol, so that’s why I am, or I grew up poor so that’s why I am. Please stop making excuses.
P.S. The author says her husband makes 90K/ year and you say their rich! Wow! Rich? I must be super-rich, or be a real life Horatio Alger story. I have a received a B.S at 39 and an MBA @ 42 years old (BTW I’m still paying for my education) and have a wonderful career where I make around 150K/ year and I am still excelling in my field where I feel there is no proverbial top. I ask – Do you consider me rich? Hell no! I have children and a non-working spouse whom BTW also grew up very poor and we surely are, far from affluent. People hard work pays off! I am not the exception! Get off your perch and chase the American dream; it is alive and well.
April 6th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Trevor, in income of $75920 puts one in the 90th percentile for income in this country. $97656 starts the 95th percentile. If you’re making $150,000 and think you’re not rich, you are insanely delusional. Neither you nor the author are in any position to talk about how tight money is or to pat yourselves on the back or “getting by” on one income that by itself is more by itself than about 95% of households in this entire county make combined between all its sources of income. If you think money is tight, then quit taking yearly vacations and cut your spending to only on what’s necessary.
The problem people are having are rich people like you and the author wanting accolades for getting by on salaries that put you in the affluent class. Coming from nothing and “making it” isn’t the problem anyone’s having. The problem is, “Look at me! Praise me for getting by on ‘only’ $95,000!”
Show us a family getting by on only one income when that total household average income is the national average is less than $40,000 - before taxes. Show us single parents getting by without welfare or money from the other parent. DON’T show us a family “getting by” on more money than 90% of household make. Claiming to “just get by” on this “little” is insulting.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:07 am
Ceecee, I respect your reply and I hope I didn’t come across as antagonistic, but truth be told, many of us including myself do not take lavish vacations and or live an opulent lifestyle. It took years of career development to achieve what I have. Many of my friends throughout the years thought I was crazy and or delusional to go college throughout my 20s and 30s and 40s (soon to be PhD). They seen me sleep 2-3 hours per night while working full time in the same field I am in now. They said settle down; it’s not possible, or the best one – that I was out of touch with my situational reality. You know - if I would of listened to the negativity, I would still be poor saying woes me with Aria. I would still be condemning positive thinking, I would still be telling kids its not possible to achieve their dreams and last but not least, to settle with what you’re given.
You write “The problem people are having are rich people like you and the author wanting accolades for getting by on salaries that put you in the affluent class. Coming from nothing and “making it” isn’t the problem anyone’s having. The problem is, “Look at me! Praise me for getting by on ‘only’ $95,000!” Did anyone say look at me praise me? No. The author is only trying to give an example of how they are “getting by” as a middle class family. All right, all right, I’ll give you an upper middle class family, but surely not a rich one.
Yes, I do realize that we are blessed, but please don’t make an assumption that we were some how lucky. Some of the people here are insinuating that you are what you are and that one should relent in the face of adversity. They feel that success is not attainable. Why? Is it because they have seen others fail? Or is it because it’s easier to cope with social mediocrity, than it is to strive for greatness. I implore anyone who reads this to stop making excuses and push ones self though life. It can be done by ANYBODY! Now I’m not saying it will be overnight. It took me 20+ years of clawing and scratching, but it can be done. All you do is have to believe in yourself and most of all stay positive.
P.S. I referenced J.D. in my last post, but I meant B.K.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Trevor, I’m not talking about the process of “making it.” I’m talking about someone talking about how tricky and tight it is making it on one salary while completely ignoring that that one salary is $95000 a year, two and a half times the annual household total income. Of course they can make it on that much money. Talking about how “tight” it is while going on yearly vacations is insulting to people who make an average salary and can’t get by on one income in the household. So the rest of us are failures if both of us have to work, and our total yearly salary is $41000? Because they can make it on one salary of $95000, there’s no excuse we can’t make it on about $20000? Anyone who thinks like this is pathetic and should be ashamed of themselves for not seeing how wealthy they really are and for being so out of touch with reality.
April 8th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Ceecee and Trevor, I think it really does depend on where you live. In our area, you would be filthy rich to be making $95K. I mean, most houses are well under that amount, and most people make more like what CeeCee is making –$20K. We are a one and a half income family
making just under 40K last year, with dh working full time, doing some part time consulting, and me doing part time web design and freelance writing.
However, I know that if the author was in Southern California, she’d be middle class. If she were in New York City she’d also be middle class, and I am sure in other parts of the USA she’d be middle class, because of the variations of cost of living. They recently said that you have to make at least 6 figures in NYC to live a middle class lifestyle, so maybe she is living in an expensive part of the country. Not all of the USA is created equally. I live in a county of Michigan with the highest unemployment rate, and most of the houses in our town are in foreclosure…and where I live, if I made $95K, I’d feel like a Rockerfeller
because I’ve lived on less than half that for so long.
Mrs. Darling’s advice however is sound. Like you, CeeCee, I cringed at some of those numbers because I have to make due on way far less than what she mentions, however her principles work no matter the income level, and whether you are one income or two.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I have found the guy of my dreams…we have been together for just over a year! I have 2 kids from different relationships and would dearly love to begin a new life with this guy. He is wonderful and we have a great rerlationship. We want to move in together but we have hit a brick wall. I have been a stay at home mum for the last 2 years until my youngest goes to kindy, so I don’t have alot of savings or anything to keep up with bills. Family payments keep a roof over my head but i am struggling with money. I’m not a big spender, I believe you should only buy what you can afford and pay CASH. I don’t own any credit cards. I have been living on a strict budget for the last 14 years so I know how to spend my money wisely.
Thing is, when me and my partner move in together I lose all my benefits and it will put instant pressure on our relationship. How do we survive?
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Mel, does the guy agree with supporting you and YOUR kids? That’s important. He might not want to work his butt off to support someone else’s kids. If he doesn’t want to, then your relationship won’t survive.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
He doesn’t mind, but I want everything to be equal, I am responsible for my kids..I don’t believe he should do what their fathers should take responsibility for though…
He’s by no means a slacker and is not denying his responsibilities..I just don’t want the pressure when we start out? We are just trying to make sense of it all…
June 24th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Well, the truth is that if you aren’t working, then he and their fathers will be taking responsibility for their financial needs. When a mother and father live together and the mother stays at home, what each parent provides is different, though only one is putting food on the table and a roof over heads. This entire responsibility will be shared between other men, including one who isn’t the father. You won’t be able to expect the court to pass the financial burden that is your half onto the fathers just because you’re a stay-at-home mom. So what you don’t provide financially will be passed to this other man. As you will be willfully unemployed, his income might even be used when factoring child support. If the fathers were unemployed by choice and supported by new wives, then their wives’ income can be used for child support! It’s a way to prevent parents from claiming zero income to shirk child support.
Since you won’t be working, but are receiving child support, you had better consult with an attorney right now. The financial repercussions can extend far beyond losing government benefits. It will likely be cheaper to pay for a couple hours of an attorney’s time than to try to skip this expense. It’s not cheap, but you could end up getting a lot less in child support than the cost of an attorney.
September 11th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
I understand people’s frustration with Ms Darling’s article. In some ways, she does leave the impression that “I could do, why can’t you?” But this is understanable given the nature of her message! The problem is more that she placed her emphasis on her current circumstance than the climb it took to get there.
My parents also are blessed in that when they retired in the last decade the were making 65-70k each! I mean WOW! But I also know their house payment was only $238/month. Back in 1975 this was a LOT of money! Now, it’s peanuts in this area (SF, CA). My husband and I were lucky enough to qualify for government aid when buying our first home-in order to qualify for the aid, we had to make less than 53k a year. In order to be approved for the loan amount we had to make more than $52,500 a year. We were exceptionally lucky to have made $52,800 that year and got 90k at 5% interest from the government that we must repay in 30 years when our first mortgage is up. Not fun, but better than tossing money away in rent every month. I know for many of you reading this that $52k a year is a dream salary, but here in the SF bay area, it’s just enough to get by. I work 3 days a week to maintain health benefits for our family (f, sa, sun)and he works full time m-f. We’re lucky to have no childcare as my mom and son’s godmother take it in turns to watch him on fridays while I work. I say this to show that life is different for everyone and Ms Darling’s advice comes from someone at the end of the journey which can be daunting to those of use down at the bottom of the mountain with a heavy pack of debt. Perhaps we all need to remember that the important thing here is not to try to knock her off her higher perch, but to keep putting one step in front of the other as we climb. If, like me, seeing someone higher up inspires jealousy, then focus on your own path or ask them for one specific piece of advice they used when they were in your position on the climb. Ms. Darling does need to remember she is on the top looking down at us given her position in life. Perhaps she should channel her old self a bit more as she writes?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Liz, I understand on San Francisco! We were paying $2,000 for a tiny apartment, 600sq.ft., and were lucky to pay so “little.”
Ms. Darling’s message here is condescending though. If she can do it on one salary (a substantial one, even for her area, her income is high), then no one else has an excuse to not do the same. But not everyone has enough money coming in to do home additions and take yearly vacations.
In my home, we ARE doing it on one salary. We live in a very expensive area in Southern California now, and my husband makes $16/hr. We are parents. Why aren’t we patting ourselves on the back? Because we know we are lucky still. It could be conceited for us to praise ourselves, and expect others to do the same, when we have been lucky to not need debt to put food on the table. So we don’t have credit cards. We have been lucky to find a reliable used car. We have been lucky in so many ways.
Show me a family getting by on barely over minimum wage with only one person working. That’s a family worthy of praise, not a woman whose family income places them in the wealthiest 5% in this country. Sure I’m envious that they have so much money, but I am extremely annoyed that this wealthy woman is sitting on that perch telling everyone else that there’s no excuse to not be able to do what they do.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
I have just a couple comments on this article. First of all, while I can see how proud Mrs. Darling must feel to have made it through all her hardships, I can also see it from the other angle. I, too, have come from poverty, and never had much of anything growing up. My parents did the best with what they made, my grandma made most of my clothes, and still I was generally a happy child. Of course, it bothered me that all my friends growing up could pay for their school lunches and I had to bring a mayonnaise sandwich to eat.
Despite all that, having lived on a small income (although, it was my parents and not mine at the time), I have managed to slowly make my way to where I am today. From age 15 I worked at least part time. And, while working at a local pizza shop wasn’t the most desirable, it got me all the things I needed as a teenager. So, then came high school graduation, and a pizza place just wasn’t going to cut it. I was pretty good at school, but didn’t feel I could afford to go to college. It also did not help that I waited until the last moment to apply for the school and scholarships/grants.
At the end of my senior year, I decided to join the military. I was able to get into intelligence analysis! So, July of 2003 I went to boot camp, and that’s really where it all changed for me. I had a family in the military, I met my husband in 2005 and we are married now with three children. I won’t sugar coat it and say that soldiers are paid well, but you can certainly get by! And, what beats free health care? Now, my husband and I are both out of the military, and have been very fortunate to find a nice paying job in the civilian world. I went from making 18k/yr at a pizza place when I was 18, to our total income being roughly 140k/yr and I’m only 24. Granted, I have worked very hard to get into the position I am in now. I’m not saying that the military is an option for everyone, whether you have disabilities, religous views or whatnot, but having a family and making a good living can be achieved if you work hard at it. Now, the military is not ideal for everyone, but maybe look into it if you feel you don’t have the skills necessary to get that great big house you’ve always dreamed of. For what it’s worth, I’m not there yet!
I do not own my own home yet, and I do have car loans. We are working day by day at obtaining our goals, and I believe that everyone can. Like I said, this doesn’t come without sacrifice. I work at all hours of the night, work alot of weekends, and am trying to slowly get my degree at the same time. I can totally relate to everybody that mentioned that the cost of living is very high in certain areas. That is absolutely true. I live in the DC/MD area, and 250k for a house is dirt cheap. I guess, I’m not sure what I was going for by making this post, but I just wanted to share my story. We all are doing our little piece to make a better lives for ourselves, and this is how I’m doing it. Maybe it will help someone else out, that’s all I can hope for. I know there are always goverment jobs out there. I realize that not every state or city has them, but that’s where the military can come into play. They teach you to do a great skill, and pay you while you train! I can not be more thankful that my 18yr old self made the decision to sign those papers that day. And, it was tough! I had to fight through many hardships, even in the military! It was certainly no cakewalk!