Basic Tips on Tipping: How Much and To Whom?
Published on - October 12th, 2006 (Modified on - October 16th, 2006) (by J.D. Roth) Every time I get my hair cut, I’m faced with a dilemma — should I tip the barber or not? I usually get my hair cut in a small-town shop. I tip $2 on a $12 haircut. If I get to hear stories about Vietnam or histrionic political rants, I tip $3, even if I don’t agree with the barber’s viewpoints. (I tip because I’ve been entertained.) Sometimes, if I don’t have enough cash, I don’t leave a anything at all. Are these tips appropriate?
What about when I pick up Chinese takeout? Should I have tipped the guys who delivered our new gas range last fall? What about a hotel bellhop? A parking valet? Out of curiosity, I did some research on tipping practices in the United States. There’s actually significant disagreement about how much to tip for even common services.
For example, you know you should tip your waitress. But how much should you leave? Some people claim that 10% is adequate. Others claim that 20% is standard. But I suspect that most of us learned to tip 15%, and to give more for exceptional service. (The wikipedia entry on tipping currently contains the bizarre claim that “18% is generally accepted as a standard tip for good service”.) Which amount is correct?
After browsing dozens of pages, I drafted the following guide. The amounts listed are based on averages or on consensus, when possible.
Food Service
- Barista
- No tip required, though many suggest throwing coins into the tip jar.
- Bartender
- $1/drink (or 15% of total bill). Pre-tip for better service.
- Delivery person (including pizza)
- 10%, $2 minimum (also, also)
- Maitre d’
- $5-$25 for special efforts
- Takeout
- No tip required unless something special is done (also, also)
- Waiter
- 15% for adequate service, 20% for exceptional service. For poor service, leave 10% or less. It’s okay to leave nothing for exceptionally poor service, but only if you’re sure it’s the waiter’s fault.
Hotel Staff
- Bellman/Porter
- $1 to $2 per bag, $5 minimum. (Or, just as many places say $1 bag, $2 minimum.)
- Concierge
- $5-$20 depending on the service. $20 if he does something exceptional. Nothing for directions.
- Housekeeper
- $2 to $5 per night, paid daily or as a lump sum at checkout. (Most sites suggest you tip daily.)
- Parking Valet
- A wide range of opinions. Everyone agrees that you should pay when your car is retrieved. Some say to pay when it’s parked, too. Most sites say to tip $2, though some suggest $5.
- Room service
- $5 minimum (unless gratuity is included in check)
Travel
- Bus driver (not mass transit)
- $1 to $2, if she handles luggage
- Cab driver
- 10%, $2-$5 minimum
- Chauffeur
- 10-15%
- Gas station attendant
- Nothing. Or $2-$4. There’s no agreement. (I’ve never seen anyone tip a gas station attendant ever.)
- Porter/skycap
- $1 per bag. $2 for heavy items, or if porter brings luggage to counter.
Personal service
- Barber/Hairstylist
- Again, little agreement: 10-15%, 15-20%, etc. One person recommends $5 to each individual who shampoos or blow-dries your hair! (also)
- Manicurist
- 15%
- Spa service
- 15-20%
- Masseuse
- 10-15%
- Shoe-shiner
- $2 or $3
Other
- Building superintendent
- Varies —read more.
- Coat checker
- Most sites recommend $1 per coat, though one said $2 to $5 upon retrieval.
- Furniture deliverer
- It depends. Most of the time $5-$20. Some recommend simply offering cold drinks. (also)
- Grocery store bagger
- One site recommended $1-$3, though I’ve never seen one tipped in my life.
- Mover
- $10-$25 per person (also)
What about tipping at holidays? Tipping service people with whom you have regular contact can build goodwill. I found these recommendations:
Holiday Tips
- Babysitter: one week’s pay
- Doorman: bottle of wine or box of chocolates
- Garbage collector: $15 to $25
- Gardener: one week’s pay
- Housekeeper: one week’s pay
- Janitor: $15 to $25
- Mail carrier: $15 to $20 (up to $20 non-cash)
- Nanny: one week’s pay
- Newspaper delivery person: $15 to $25
- Parking attendant: $15 to $25
- Personal trainer: $20 to $50 (tip discreetly)
Some points regarding tipping etiquette:
- If you use a coupon or gift certificate, calculate your tip based on the total before discount.
- Tip above the norm if:
- Service is exceptional,
- You’ve been a burden, or
- You are a regular client.
- Don’t tip if it’s not deserved. Poor service should not be rewarded.
- In some circumstances, if you offer an initial tip — especially a large initial tip — you’ll get better service.
- If you take up a restaurant table for a long time, tip extra.
- Tip discreetly.
- When in doubt, tip.
What about public officials? When is a tip a tip, and when is a tip a bribe? My wife and I tipped the judge who married us, but even then we had trouble deciding how much to give him. (We gave him $50.)
I suspect that tipping practices vary widely from region-to-region and, especially based upon the size of the city. As always, do what works for you.
Other articles about tipping:
- How to tip in a foreign country
- International tipping etiquette
- Is it better to tip with cash or with credit?
- Tipping at weddings
- Tipping relieves guilt more than it provides incentive
- Tipping etiquette (which is actually the best guide I found)
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I’m a university student working a part-time job as a server in a small restaurant and I can tell you right now that you should ALWAYS tip your servers.
Lots of people have been mentioning all sorts of arguments but here is the main thing. Espcially in a smaller establishment, if you don’t tip, or you leave a crappy tip–we will remember you. If you ever want to come back and get even remotely good service, make sure you let us know, at the very least, that we are appreciated.
another thing that always bugs me is how servers get blamed for everything. The restaurant I work at is a japanese restaurant, serving both hot food and sushi. We have a grand total of TWO chefs in the kitchen. One does the sushi. The other does everything else.
I am very sorry if you cannot get your five person sushi order out in ten minutes on a Friday night when we have a full house and a lineup of ten takeout orders sitting in the back waiting to be filled. but its not my fault. I’m the one going in the back and arguing with the chefs, rearranging orders so that if you need to leave sooner you can still get your food, all the while dealing with your ridiculous requests–and demands. We are servers, not servants.
The problem I see is that most people see those working as servers in restaurants as lower class. Its commonly seen as a dead end job that doesn’t require any skill. But how’s this for you? I’m working on a master’s degree at a high end university, and working as a waitress because I can’t take any more time off from studying. I could be in a much better job but it would mean sacrificing my schooling.
Paychecks don’t cover much when you’re a server. You are relying on the tips you get from customers for your day to day living. In my workplace, that equates to about 30 dollars most nights, with between 70 to 100 on Fridays.
And here’s the other thing. I have rent to make, bills to pay, insurance payments, mechanical bills on my vehicle, groceries, tuition, and textbooks. Yet I still manage to hand over MINIMUM 20% tip when I eat out, because I know how it is. (usually I’ll tip between 35% and 50%, and the only time I will EVER tip under 15% is if the service was actually poor). So don’t give me excuses for why you can’t make a more than 10% tip on your bill.
These are the standards I use when a customer leaves me a tip:
10%: bare minimum, unless I was horrible to you; standard on takeout orders.
20%: You have just made my day. Next time you come in you can expect even better service.
Remember that it is not only showing appreciated for their service that is the reason for tipping–you had to deal with me, but I had to deal with you. Be self-aware of how you are treating servers, and make sure it is reflected in your tip.
…I needed to get that out. xD
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to mr. Pink.
How can you be so narrow minded? A restaurant is a valid and worthwhile business. Management and owners make insanely good money. You have to start at the bottom in any business.
Perhaps your server went to culinary school and is trying to move into a kitchen position. Perhaps your server is trying to work his way up to management and one day open his own restaurant. If you think that no one should be a server then you should never again go to your favorite restaurant and order your favorite culinary treats. If this utopia in your mind actually existed and everyone was “creative,” enough to not be a server then there would be no awesome restaurants that give a city character. That was a very poor argument. You are an idiot.
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I agree with pbennett. Continuing with the example of a waiter, those jobs are a mainstay for young people (high school/college) who want to earn gas money, etc. If everyone thought like Mr Pink and didn’t tip, no one in their right mind would take those jobs and we wouldn’t have those services available to us. Then some of those very same naysayers of tipping might complain about the lack of service.
That said, I have to admit it was a real culture shock when I moved from Ohio to San Diego, CA. Everywhere, and I mean EVERYWHERE you go in San Diego (and maybe even all of CA?), they have a tip jar. You bought a burrito at a taco shop where there are no waiters? There’s a tip jar next to the register. You buy a simple cup of Joe at the local coffee place? Tip jar. I even see tip jars in some fast food places. Tip jars don’t exist in Ohio. Then again, you don’t see kids doing acrobatic tricks with signs advertising expensive condos in Ohio either. Different culture, I guess.
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[...] the internet. I decided to do some research on “standard” tipping amounts, and found a very thorough and informative article at Get Rich Slowly that spells it all [...]
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Hey Dustin,
Visit the Linkery in Hillcrest. NO TIP policy, they give all tips left to them to a Charity of the month. How can they do that? The servers are paid a decent wage. Wow, what a concept eh?
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I tip two dollars on a haircut. And usually ten percent at EVERY restaurant. If the services are bad I tip nothing. The only time I would tip more than ten percent is if I’m at a very fancy restaurant in the area. Even then, my tip will not exceed ten dollars.
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Leah
“you should ALWAYS tip your servers.”
Sorry, I tend to disagree with the “ALWAYS” part. Sometimes, my husband and I have had servers INTENTIONALLY overcharge us or make MANY mistakes because of not TRYING. Have you personally ever had 6 or more mistakes in one dining experience? If you NEVER have, then HOW would YOU personally KNOW HOW THAT FEELS? When a waiter didn’t apologize ONCE for ringing up my credit card almost $11 over and ignoring me when I told him about it CALMLY and NICELY, got him a ZERO tip. You cannot act like you don’t care and don’t apologize for something that MUCH of a rip off and tell me it’s NOT done ON PURPOSE to get another FRIEND’S TABLE a cheaper bill, because he NEVER ONCE said he was SORRY, although KNEW BY “HEART” our order when he came around when the manager was reringing my credit card up for the CORRECT amount though, how convenient of him. Our credit card amount without conveniently not given back our original bill, was billed $47 and something cents and we were billed $36 and something cents. Anyway, he got nothing, because he acted like my $11 or so wasn’t important to steal from me, so obviously since he didn’t apologize, he did it on PURPOSE, so he got NOTHING for STEALING. When a server apologizes, that shows SOMETHING, but if their actions spoke louder than words, of course, the actions will tell me more. So, NO, I DO NOT AGREE TO NEVER NOT leave a tip. If a server steals, I will steal their tip away. what goes around, comes around and that’s that!!!!
“all the while dealing with your ridiculous requests–and demands.”
NOBODY’S demands are “RIDICULOUS”, so if you think they are, you are LAZY. Go drink some red bull or coffee then. Secondly, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO “EARNING” YOUR TIP? NO DEMAND is ridiculous. Sure, if a customer(which I NEVER HAVE) asked for exactly 5 ice cubes, you can get that so they won’t have a lot of ice, because just MAYBE, they asked for “easy ice or not a lot of ice” then still got TONS of ice, so they had to RESORT to being that specific and ridiculous about it to get what THEY WANT. My point is, YOU SOUND EXTREMELY UNCARING AND VERY LAZY. NO DAMAND IS RIDICULOUS, so if you want a tip, WORK FOR IT YOU LAZY PERSON!
“The problem I see is that most people see those working as servers in restaurants as lower class.”
Well, can you BLAME US? Bringing out WRONG FOOD? COME ON NOW, LOOK AT THE FOOD, does mac & cheese look like a BAKED POTATO, though I was BROUGHT THAT OUT BY THE SAME WAITER THAT TOOK MY ORDER AT bbq chain restaurant. ONE APPETIZER, COUNT IT ONE, with ONE, COUNT IT, ONE, CONDIMENT ADDED TO A MENU ITEM, comes out with NO RANCH as ordered from the SAME DAMN PERSON THAT WROTE DOWN THE DAMN ORDER! CAN YOU BLAME US? WTF IS WRONG WITH SERVERS TODAY? If I had 10 people to my table, I’d be MUCH MORE tolerable, but ONE APPETIZER PLATE and they CANNOT EVEN GET THAT 100% OBVIOUSLY CORRECT TO MY TABLE(something they CAN SEE WITH THEIR EYES IS OR ISN’T CORRECT). I am SICK of STUPID IDIOTIC SERVERS. It’s like, YOU HAVE A ***WRITTEN ORDER**** TO VERIFY WTF YOU BRINGING TO THE TABLE, SO VERIFY IT INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT OUT WRONG considering I don’t have to TOUCH, TASTE, OR CUT OPEN THE FOOD TO SEE THE MISTAKE!!!!!
Also, if you know I order a side of ranch with an item, that DOESN’T mean I am SUBSTITUTING that condiment for the condiment the menu states it AUTOMATICALLY COMES WITH, although servers**********ASSUME**************** that you don’t want it at times. THAT is what is RIDICULOUS.
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, so do NOT BLAME US if we think we are SMARTER than you are. If I order a steak, don’t bring me a burger, it’s like DUH, are you that STUPID, yet you are going to college, now come on now, WTF? I have been brought by the SAME WAITER that WROTE DOWN my order quesadillas instead of bbq chicken nachos without the ranch I ordered as well. He admitted pressing the wrong button. The point is though, even if the kitchen staff would have messed up, the fact he NEVER ***VERIFIED****WHAT THE HELL HE WAS TAKING ME is what I am appauled at. He made 2 mistakes. 1. Putting the order into the computer wrong 2. Bringing out the wrong food.
WHY do you think we think SOME servers are STUPID? LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO and you SEE WHY. You want a tip, but then don’t even bother to CARE if you are taking me the correct FOOD or not, is completely STUPID and LACKING COMMON SENSE as well as being EXTREMLEY UNCARING.
“10%: bare minimum, unless I was horrible to you; standard on takeout orders.”
Takeout, sorry, but fast food workers do the SAME EXACT THINGS. I have had LITERALLY, a Wendy’s CASHIER(NOT A COOK) take my husband and I’s order and then continue to MAKE the burgers with putting the mayo, mustard, cheese, onions, etc. on it along with the sides of the mayo in a cup I asked for as well as mustard, because I HATE the packets for NO TIP WHAT-SO-EVER, so NO, tipping is NOT for FAST FOOD WORK, which IS take-out. Tipping for take-out is STUPID and UNFAIR to fast food workers who sometimes do MORE WORK for NO TIP. Think about this scenario: I order a pasta dish at Applebee’s, which all the bartender does is put the pasta in the box and but the ALREADY PRE-MADE napkin-utensils-salt-n-pepper as well as ring the person up. In the bag compared to McDonald’s hotcakes n’ sauage which has separate utensils to get from the cashier, syrup, and 2 butters, jelly, and ring the person up. The MCDONALD’S CASHIER actually did MORE WORK for NO TIP. Sorry, but I will NEVER pay someone MORE for LESS WORK than McDONALD’S OR THE SAME WORK. That just isn’t FAIR. If the to-go servers get paid less than fast food employees do, that’s between that company’s owner and the employee. The work is LESS or the SAME, so WHY TIP? Is it fair that McDonald’s employee DOESN’T get tipped for MORE WORK in that situation if I were to tip for that pasta dish at Applebee’s to-go? OF COURSE IT’S NOT FAIR.
Sorry, if I have horrible service, the server will get NOTHING, NOT 10%, because that’s for not so good service. A server sometimes DESERVES NOTHING if they have done very horribly. YOU HAVE TO ***************EARN********************* YOUR TIP! You treat me like you don’t care about my dining experience, WTF should I CARE about your tip? WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND!!!!
“So don’t give me excuses for why you can’t make a more than 10% tip on your bill.”
If you MAKE REASONS to, there’s a REASON TO MAKE EXCUSES. If you give DECENT SERVICE, there will NEVER be a REASON TO. I hardly EVER tip that low, but when I do, there’s MANY REASONS. One time at Chili’s, I order normally a soft drink and a margarita instead of a water and a margarita. The STUPID, LAZY waitress DIDN’T WRITE THE ORDERS DOWN as she SHOULD HAVE. I had a Chili’s waitress forget my dr. pepper I ordered. I had to wait 13 minutes for a dr. pepper that SHE could have gotten, NOT the BARTENDER and even waited LONGER to get that than my MARGARITA. She even gave another customer his credit card bill BEFORE bringing me my dr. pepper and then didn’t even come PREPARED with a straw. I had asked for my condiments BEFORE my meal since they are forgotten about a lot. She brings a HALF-SIDE of bbq sauce when I had ordered 2 sides of bbq sauce, it’s like DUH, ARE YOU BLIND, YOU KNOW? WTF? Then she has the audacity to ask if we wanted a dessert MID-MEAL and then AGAIN to aggrevate us MORE. 10% is what she DESEVERED. NOT MUCH EFFORT will EQUAL NOT MUCH TIP. I had a written order for her as well as she wrote it down and STILL COULDN’T REREAD THE ORDER. She was STUPID and EXTREMELY LAZY as well as VERY UNCARING about her customers. If I order something, WHY are you NOT WRITING IT DOWN? I HATE WHEN SERVERS DO NOT WRITE ORDERS DOWN and expect to MAGICALLY REMEMBER IT. I couldn’t imagine if she had to serve a party of 10 how she’d f’d that up if she couldn’t get a party of 2 right. That’s RIDICULOUS that she couldn’t remember 2 soft drinks and a margarita order when she could have WRITTEN IT DOWN. Also, I think it’s STUPID when a customer states **2*** sides of a condiment, then is delivered 1/2 side of something from the SAME PERSON that WROTE DOWN THE ORDER.
Sorry, but SOME SERVERS DON’T CARE AND DON’T TRY, SO THEIR TIP IS NOT GOOD. YOU GET WHAT **************EFFORT************* YOU PUT IN. 10% is for many mistakes for NO REAL REASON and asking for dessert twice to push us out when it was VERY OBVIOUS the customers were still eating their entrees. If you don’t want to work HARD, DON’T BE A SERVER!!!! WHY would you treat customers ANY DIFFERENTLY than YOU’D LIKE TO BE TREATED when YOU dine out? I am willing to bet that waitress would NOT EVER want that type of sorry service, but treated us like that from the start by NOT *****TAKING ANY EFFORT TO REMEMBER BY WRITING DOWN DRINK ORDERS***, so she’s stupid, then decides to serve other people BEFORE fixing a mistake to make me wait 13 minutes for a soft drink, which is INSANE for ANYONE to wait THAT LONG for soft drink, even LONGER than a margarita. Sorry, but I treated her the EXACT, UNCARING WAY SHE TREATED ME, LIKE SHE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT MY WAIT by serving OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE GETTING THE FORGOTTEN DRINK. I would have IMMEDIATELY WENT TO GET THE FORGOTTEN ITEM and would have apologized twice, once before and after, which she only did the first time around. I would have NEVER made a customer wait 13 minutes to get a dr. pepper. That’s just NOT RIGHT.
“Be self-aware of how you are treating servers, and make sure it is reflected in your tip.”
As long as I get treated well, I will tip 25% and higher, but treat me like a PERSON that has FEELINGS, NOT like a NOBODY. That waitress sucked, so her 10% was JUSTIFIED.
When service has been really horrible, like we’ve had 6 or more mistakes in ONE dining experience, that SHOWS and PROVES that the server ISN’T TRYING and DOESN’T CARE, so there’s NO TIP that’s *************EARNED***********************!!
Treat my service as YOU’D like to be treated and I will tip you very well. GET THE ORDER AS CORRECT AS POSSIBLE to my table. Don’t come to my table with mac & cheese if I ordered a baked potato when YOU WROTE DOWN the order and TOOK the order. My server’s responsiblity is the ((BRING)) the food out as CORRECT as they can possibly SEE without having to TOUCH, TASTE, OR CUT OPEN THE FOOD to NOTICE A MISTAKE. If I don’t have the correct entree, correct side dish, or a side of condiment, then if the SAME server brought out the food that took the order, well GEE, HOW CAN I NOT BLAME THAT PERSON FOR “BRINGING” IT TO ME WRONG when they could **SEE** THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG OR MISSING? THE TIP IS EARNED and that’s THE END OF DISCUSSION!!!
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to Springs1.
LOL I can’t believe I’m still following this thread (it moves pretty slowly these days)… but anyhow
Springs1 — I couldn’t even make it through your whole post. What a rant! It sounds like you have something personal going on. Some kind of crazy vendetta against servers. I’ll probably see you on CNN one night after you went on some kind of restaurant bombing rampage.
LOL
It’s saturday night I’m exuding comic relief….
-P
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pbennett
“It sounds like you have something personal going on. Some kind of crazy vendetta against servers”
The ones that DO NOT TRY THEIR VERY BEST AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR DINING EXPERIENCE. You have to CARE about my dining experience in order for me to tip you well. You have heard of servers that treat non-tippers poorly due to not being tipped, well, the SAME goes for customers that get poor servers. If you give me poor service, then don’t expect to get a good tip or a tip at all. If you give me EXCELLENT service expect 25% or higher tip, because you have EARNED IT.
I am just TIRED Of STUPID SERVERS BRINGING MISTAKES TO THE TABLE THAT ARE VERY OBVIOUS TO THE EYES. If I can see I don’t have the correct food, SO CAN MY SERVER if they take my food to me.
“I’ll probably see you on CNN one night after you went on some kind of restaurant bombing rampage.”
NO, I just am tired of servers EXPECTING a tip or a GOOD tip, when they do NOT TRY. A tip is EARNED, NOT AUTOMATIC. Tipping for take-out would be UNFAIR to fast food workers that sometimes do MORE WORK for NO TIP to be earned. I don’t care what they make per hour, because if the SERVICE is the EXACT SAME OR LESS, then WHY TIP? We tip during regular sit-down restaurant service when we dine out normally for decent service, because the server is doing MUCH MORE WORK than a take-out server would do or what a fast food worker would do. It’s INSANE to tip for food being brought home. A CASHIER at Wendy’s prepared my condiments in cups for me as they can at Chili’s, Outback, or Applebee’s. If I get it delivered to my car, it’s $2 ONLY if the food is 100% correct as far as they can SEE. If the food is OBVIOUSLY wrong, NOTHING for a STUPID DELIVERY PERSON THAT CANNOT CHECK THE DAMN BAG. HOW STUPID CAN THEY BE NOT TO CHECK THE BAG **BEFORE*** DELIVERING IT TO THE CAR? If I order a side of ranch, there BETTER be one in the bag, otherwise, NO TIP. I don’t care if they came to my car in the rain, they need to not be SO DAMN LAZY NOT TO DOUBLE CHECK THE DAMN BAG BEFORE BRINGING IT OUT TO THE CAR.
I am talking about take-out food that is bought from the COUNTER, which is counter service. Counter service normally isn’t tipped in general. If the person does LESS WORK than a fast food worker does, they DO NOT EVER DESERVE TIPS, REGARDLESS of their hourly wage. Customers aren’t responsible for to-go server’s wages and shouldn’t EVER be expect to pay for service that’s less or the SAME as fast food service.
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All this sounds like a good reason to just cook at home.
Then you can tip yourself and put 10% of the cost of the meal in your savings account to boot!
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LOL
My impression of Springs1::
CAPS LOCK!! I AM YELLING!! AAAAAAAHHH CAPS LOCK!!! I’M SO ANGRY ABOUT TERRIBLE SERVERS…. SOOOOO MUCH CAPS LOCK.
p.s.
CAPS LOCK RULES!!
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I noticed an Internet service installer complaining that he should be tipped.
No, he should not.
As a customer, you are charged a very hefty installation and service fee for cable, telephone and internet service and utility repair, and this fee helps in part to pay the installation and repair technicians who are paid VERY well. Unlike individuals in the service industry (hairstylists, waiters, etc.) who depend on tips to make a living and only receive minimum wage if they don’t get tips, a technician does not depend on tips for his/her income. Also, most major utility companies, including Comcast, etc. PROHIBIT their employees from accepting tips for simply doing their job.
Or think about this way: I am an accountant. I provide direct services to clients. Often I have to go to my clients place of business and occasionally I to to certain client’s residences. I always go above and beyond to deliver exceptional service to my clients. However, I would NEVER accept a tip, nor would I even expect to be offered one. I am paid very well for my services and I charge a rate which reflects the value of the services I provide. Installation technicians do not deserve a tip for simply performing well at a job they are already well-paid to do.
On the other hand, waiters, hairstylists, etc., usually make the majority of their income from tips and their base salaries are usually little more than minimum wage. In effect, we as customers are being asked to subsidize a decent salary for these individuals, which I and most people have no problem doing; however, I do wish restaurant owners, hair salon owners, etc. would simply raise their prices and pay their workers better–it would be a more honest way of doing business.
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ok first off. to anyone who thinks your to-go person just stands in one station and smiles when you walk through the door, you need to get your head out of your ass. We are an elite group of people who rush to answer your phone calls, talk over loud servers and customers screaming. We listen to you yell at your children, and put us on hold while you take another phone call, even though we have people wating on us, and the other lines ringing. we rush back to the kitchen to make sure your food is ready. We pour your dressings into the containers and double check to make sure the kitchen staff got everything right. we yell at the kitchen staff if they messed up. We dont just put food in a damn bag. We have to actually “prepare” your food. Even though must of us get paid higher we still do alot of work. Actually most servers hate doing to-go work. (You do more work). Oh and I dont get a break…. I have to answer the damn phone… you know for to-go orders, serving calls to talk to other people, people asking if we are hiring, wives and husbands calling for each other. and such. Your server ACTUALLY gets a BREAK. I DONT. I have to hear the gripes of other employees for them having to hear the phone, while im in the back looking for more lids and other things, because you sir/maam need 3 things of honey mustard in your dressing, hmmm. So the NEXT time you think about NOT tiping that to-go person who probably does ALOT more work think about this- If you were at a table, your server is more likely doing the following- Smoking, serving other tables, or talking to other serves. Well when you do to-go. that person is doing alot more than a server. (yes on Occassion we do have a “down” times…. but we still have to answer the phone and deal with people on the phone- we are basically secretaries for the resturaunt as well)
BTW. If you dont tip me I dont take it as a sign of your order being wrong… or that your upset with me… MOST people actually tell me. but when you DO…. dont leave me 2 bucks for a 30 dollar order. I take that as your being CHEAP.
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Tipping is an archaic anachronism and should be outlawed. The very concept of being beholden to a SERVER is ludicrous. As a customer, I RESENT the notion that I am EXPECTED to tip. A tip should be that, a reward, for exceptional service. Not a subsidy for low paying employers. When I place an order from a menu, that is a contract between me and the restaurant for goods and services. Any expected fee above that sum should be factored into that fee on the menu. That is the way the rest of the business world works. Dining should be no different.
And as to the argument that “these are the people handling your food”, any other place would call that EXTORTION. Any food services worker who malisciously tampers with any paying customers food should go to PRISON…for YEARS.
Having said all this, I try to tip about 12%-15% on average, and 20% for very good service. Am I cheap? Maybe. But I’m not the one working at a go nowhere, dead end job where I have to sucker my customers for a pitance just to pay the bills. If you don’t like what your employer pays, find a new job, don’t expect me to patronize your bad career choices.
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Comment to Mojo Willy,
I did not make a bad career choice. If I or many other servers in the world (or lets just say the US) did not provide you with our services than all restaurants would be drive troughs. Yes in Europe they automatically add a grutity to your bill, but the US only does that with party’s of 6 or more.
We food and beverage servers don’t just provide with a service, us good servers entertain you when you have had a bad day or if you are in a talkative mood. We run are buts to make sure your food and beverage looks presentable and comes out on time make sure you are happy with your food. As I said before if you think so low of us than just go to a fast food joint.
Back to the comment about bad career choice, some of us do this to get through college or want to be in management at a restaurant or hotel. Not all of us can have college paid for by other means. And not always after you get a degree you are able to get the career you wanted. So don’t hate the Servers. One of my old co-workers was an Archaeologist.
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I don’t hate the servers, I respect them highly, unless they are want-it-all-for-nothing scavengers, and I would not like that kind of person regardless of the job they held. I tip the good ones accordingly, but I do so on the merits of their performance, and how it relates to me. Not “just because”.
My point about bad career choices is aimed more at the restaurants than the staff themselves. Again, as I said, I feel restaurants should pay their staff better, and discourage tipping as a means of augmenting payroll. It is a shame when people have to rely on tips because their employer is too tight. Working for a place like that IS a poor career choice, and one everyone should work to avoid.
As to the Archaelogist…duh! Nobody ever takes up a major like that to get rich. I know, I have a B.A. in History…
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I completely disagree, I don’t tip period. I subscribe to Mr. Pink’s philosophy (youtube this if you’ve not seen it).
They are paid what they are worth, and they’re not starving to death. If they don’t make enough they can quit. I don’t care if they live on tips, what about me? What if I make a living on stiffing?
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Well Josh, I would have to respond by asking you how you can know what these people are worth? I know a few people who make quite a bit of money (outside of the service industry) who aren’t worth it. Dumbasses if you will. I also know many (not all but many) servers who are worth alot more than what they get paid. Please describe your definition of worth because it sounds quite insulting to alot of people.
Have you worked in the industry, because you sound like you know the “type” of people that it employs. Please tell me more about these people you speak of…Oh and what would you be willing to pay for a $15 dollar meal if tipping didn’t exist?
We also have to deal with the idiots that come in and compain about EVERYTHING and be rude just so they can get thier food for free. Oh it’s good times let me tell you. Your not one of those peope are you Josh?
MOJO WILLY, I agree with you about the “want it all for nothing scavengers”. They definately exist. As a server, if I feel I gave horrible service to a table and they don’t tip me, I fully accept it. No really! If I cause someone to have a bad time I don’t deserve it. “I think I’ll treat you like garbage but give me your money”. I don’t like to treat anyone like that period(do you Josh?). Know that I don’t give bad service intentionally and not many servers I know do. We are trying hard to please you. We know where the bread and butter is (that was a little joke Josh…because bread and butter is food, and we serve food so of course we know where it is, how could we serve you bread and butter if we didn’t know where it was…think about it Josh…oh, nevermind….). Unfortunatly we do have off times because we’re human and placed under a great deal of stress in our industry.
However, anyone who goes out and and says they get horrible service every time should think again. Perhaps the problem doesn’t lay on the “servers” end of things. For some nothing in life is ever good enough.
Whether we agree with tipping or not, it is an accepted practice in our society. Every society(like every religion, or workplace) has their own customs and ways of doing things.If you didn’t agree with the practices of your religion, wouldn’t you go and find one that you did agree with? Yes, there are other countries where tipping is taboo. I guess if you don’t like our societies restaurant norms, you should go eat in a country where you feel more comfortable. (-:
Oh….anyone hiring a Sociologist?
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Oh, and I would gladly do without tipping if the resaurant paid me what it was worth to do that type of job…Then I wouldn’t have to try and please people so much….
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Josh,
I agree with what Kevin says.
How can you think Minimum wage or lower is good enough for the servers?
We are servers not SERVENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mojo Willy
I understand about tipping according to how your service was; that’s how tipping came about.(to my understanding)It was a incentive.
A person would go to a bar or restaurant and put the tip out first. And if the service was good the patron may add more to the tip. But if the service was bad than the patron would take some of the tip away through their meal or drink. The server seeing this would do a better job or stay the same. If the serve still gave bad service they would see they would no longer have a tip. At the end of the meal or drink.
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Waitress Says:
September 21st, 2007 at 6:14 am
I know this comment was left a while back. This is about what you said about European guests.
Yes I’ve waited on a lot of them. Yes most do not tip. The reason being gratuity is all ready added in there Countries.
They come to the US and they do know they should tip they just play dumb. How do I know. In the past when I was real gutsy I asked. And they told me truthfully. I smiled said thank you for letting me know and guess what they liked me asking nicely then they tipped me.
And to let you know I’ve been working in restaurants sense I was 8, so let’s see about 19 years total now and 4 years in a construction office punching numbers.
I prefer working in the restaurant business then any thing else.
Oh where I was going with this is “the out of towners” most of them just want you to be nice and “most” don’t mind you asking in a nice way “Just to you know gratuity is not included in your bill?” and usually they would say Thank you and say everything was good and then tip. At least that has been my experience.
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some people should never go to out to eat.. actually they should sit at home and type in there blogs about the horible service they receive…. oh heres a story
I work in a resturaunt so I let it slide…. but…
Me and my friend came to my work tonight and it was not that busy, just 2 people ahead of us. Well after we come in and the manager recognizes us he seats 3 other people that come in after us before us… (we have call ahead seating, but thats ONLY if we have a wait). we finally get sitted and we have to wait at least 15 mins or so for our server… the wait time is like 30 seconds… he takes our order and drink order…. our food comes out at a decent time. but we dont get any napkins, he asks if we need plates later on we prob should had asked for napkins then…. I decide to get up and get some myself. we just sit there eat and talk. he gives us the bill it was only 5 bucks (I got a discount) I left him 3 bucks for a tip.
thats all I had.
But im not complaining, I understand what a server has to go through, I get it. But if you have NEVER worked in a resturaunt you will never understand. The place I work at wont allow servers to smoke outside anymore, so they have become more tense and all. I just want everyone to know that if you think about complaining just realize how much worse your server feels.
oh and I didnt stiff him I always tip on service. but since I work in the food industry I always tip good…. no matter what…
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Here is what I have. Enjoy.
Tips on Tipping Your Mechanic. By Pedro Talavera.
I have been working in automobiles for about 30 years. In that time I have seen the good the bad and the ugly when it comes to automotive things and tipping. Tipping seems to be something that creates stress and insecurity on humans. But it is mostly because people prefer to ignore the facts than to humble them selves and research the subject.
Money represents many things to different people. Some service providers rely on tips to survive, others can do with out them finely. But I stress the point that a tip is not only the value as money but a gesture. A smile or a hand shake followed by a tip has much more meaning to a person.
Doing research about this subject I found that the internet has little or close to nothing about it (tipping mechanics). The reasons why people don’t tip auto mechanics in my opinion are varied.
People argue that mechanics make very high amounts of money. Not so. Only a very few mechanics get paid properly. The tools and training mechanics need to be able to be professionals are paid usually by themselves. So why should you be responsible for that? You aren’t, a tip is a gesture. It is not expected but welcomed. If you are wealthy I say to you, be generous. The money you save is not going to do any good sitting in the bank.
Will a service provider be offended if you offer them a tip?
I am a mobile mechanic and shop owner, I have never gotten offended because someone wanted to show me their appreciation.
I read that in Europe in some countries tipping is not really practiced. If so, the tip is included on the bill.
To me a tip besides the monetary value has a deeper meaning. When it is given along a smile or a hand shake does wonders for your soul.
Mechanics don’t actually rely on tips to support their families, but some will probably be very happy when you tip them. They are indeed welcomed.
So what is considered adequate when tipping your mechanic?
I suggest this. If you are tipping a mechanic on a shop, 5% of the total bill before taxes, if it is a mobile mechanic around 8 to 10% of the bill (consider the convenience of someone coming to you), If the mechanic is also the shop owner then it is a little bit more tricky. Yes he/she makes “all” the money but he/she also has all the expenses of the business (overhead), So maybe 5% will be fair.
Remember be considerate. As you service providers are human, they get sad, distracted etc. Instead of withholding a tip, make a commentary to the manager for less than adequate service.
I agree that for intended very bad service with no explanation or apology you tip 0. Sorry.
Bottom line, you tip when you can and what your heart tells you. If you are a cheap skate, so be it, nobody wants to change you.
I read some service providers saying that they won’t accept a tip; well you must be making very good dough. But will you also reject a smile and or a handshake? No? I didn’t think so. The money that the customer wants to give you comes from their heart most of the time, so actually you could be hurting their feelings by not accepting their present.
Remember, the mechanic only gets a small percentage of what the shop charges, and none from the parts he/she usually sells.
With out the mechanic the shop wouldn’t be selling all those parts, still they get zero commission from that.
I think if you can’t tip because you are actually broke, then indeed smile and give us a handshake, we will understand.
What about giving presents as tips?
I think that is up to you. If you are the kind of person that likes giving baked goods or a 6 pack of beer, by all means. Give to your heart contents.
The point here is this, what you are doing is showing your appreciation, not buying better service. That’s why I recommend giving tips after the service is provided. That way no one has any expectations or duties.
Also do you have to tip every time you get service? Again, it is up to you. Some times you may not have enough to make a tip. It is ok. I don’t think a mechanic that received a tip from you before is going to be offended because you didn’t tip him/her again. Do not worry, as I said before we don’t really count on your tip, but we don’t hate the gesture.
I suggest you do some research on the net about this subject. There you can find much info that will enlighten you. Many people don’t know when or how much to tip. If you go out or travel a lot you need to educate your self if you want to avoid embarrassment. You need to be able to acknowledge other people’s efforts to be able to socialize. Cheap skates are not liked anywhere, don’t be one of them.
9/07
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Nope. No way in hell. There is NO WAY I am ever going to tip a mechanic. Nothing personal Pedro, but it’s bad enough that I have to tip food services staff. What’s next? Tip your dentist? Or how about dental hygenist? Tipping should be GOING AWAY, not spreading.
If I were to take my car in and have $1500 work done on it, by your rationale, I should leave the mechanic (assuming I even know which person on the staff that was), I should leave a $75 tip. Add that to tax, and I’m getting a lot of incentive to do the work myself.
The example of tipping airline pilots was raised earlier, and it also applies here.
I am sorry, I just don’t buy into it.
It really isn’t fair to the consumer to EXPECT unadvertised additional fees. Period.
I’m sorry if you work in an industry that doesn’t pay you well. Find a new job.
I also don’t like hidden costs when I buy a new car or motorcycle. They should be factored in. Buy a motorcyle, and they tack on shipping, assembly, tabs, etc.
Imagine if you went to the grocery store and bought a cantalope, and the checker tacked on an additional $1.50 for shipping and handling. BS. It’s factored into the sticker price.
Cars.
Motorcycles.
Dinning.
Auto work.
House building.
Flower bouquets.
They all should have the TOTAL price clearly indicated to the consumer prior to the transaction being made, other wise it’s called fraud.
This whole tipping thing is NOT cultural, it’s ORGANIZED CRIME!
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I am going to be staying at a resort for over a week, and because of the circumstances, will most likely be getting room service two or three times every day. According to the list, we should tip $5 for room service, but $10-$15 a day just for a tip can add up. Is $5 expected in this situation or would $1 or $2 each time be sufficient?
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I mentioned in my article you tip what your heart tells you. There are no rules.
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I understand that we are under no obligation to tip a certain amount, but people who work in the industry do expect a certain amount whether their expectaions are based on convention or what they are used to getting at their specific hotel. I do not travel a whole lot, so I am not as familiar with what is expected as I would like to be. My question then is really what would people in the industry expect in such a situation.
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If you stay at a resort, tips are usually factored into the price… its usually a nice GESTURE to give the bell hop or so a dollar or two for giving you some type of room service….. those tips prob make their day. the gratiuty thats factored in, they prob dont see it… its just in their check.
in some cases its a GESTURE to tip.
in other cases its RUDE not to tip.
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oh and PLEASE PLEASE TEACH your 16-18 yearolds HOW TO TIP. I promise you in there math clases they do not have a section on this… and do not tell them to tip a percentage….
in general… always tip $2.00 and go up on service. if you can tell your server is having a BAD night, being rushed getting double sat… DO NOT leave them a BAD tip…. if you COMPLAIN on a friday or saturday night about something stupid all servers will know who you are and prob give you bad service next time.
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I agree with MOJO Pedro’s post about tip’s and your mechanic it’s just crazy. I love how he calls people who don’t tip at every chance ” Cheap Skate’s”
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To avoid even the appearance of bribes most government positions are not allowed to accept monetary tips, and there are restrictions on the value of non-monetary items. For those who are involved in regulatory or legal processes, they generally aren’t allowed to accept anything.
Also please don’t forget to tip your guides/instructors when you go out adventuring. $5 minimum, but 15% is appreciated.
My apologies if I repeated anything from another comment. I only managed a quick browse.
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Nathan you obviously misunderstood what I wrote. I wrote the article to help not to create friction. To me it seems you got offended, are you a cheap skate? no? good. I was refering to tipping in general, not only about mechanics. And yes people go out to eat at expensive restaurants and don’t have the decency to tip. Those are the ones I call cheap skates.
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I have never told my 13 year old he has to tip. And he always tips.
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I worked at a commissary (grocery store) on a military base for two years – no minimum wage paid – you take out groceries and all you make in a day is tips. It’s not a great job, but some body has to do it. I am NOT a big tipper in general, but I wanted to say that in regards to tipping at grocery stores you should find out if the baggers are getting paid by the hour or working for tips only. Most commissaries have signs posted saying “Baggers work for tips only,” and since you don’t pay sales tax on base, most people don’t mind paying a tip.
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I’m not from the US and I’ve been raised in a different culture but tipping looks so ridiculous to me…
I mean, people get paid by their boss to do their job, why *on earth* should you reward them even more?
When a waiter comes and bring you your food, it’s not as if he was doing this out of good heart. He’s not doing you a favor: he’s f*cking employed to do that.
You pay for a service, money goes to the boss who then pays his employee his/her wage.
No need to pay the guy a second time.
Geez.
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Hi Plop,
You didn’t read the rest of the conversation did you?
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plop… alot of servers would much rather get paid min-wage and above… and get a dollar here or there… BUT they get paid about $2.25 in some states.
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I agree with Plop completely.
I was going to write out a long rant on how I hate blindly giving tips, or even worse, automatically adding a tip into the final bill, but even reading this thread is going to make me more upset.
Tipping is dumb, I refuse to obey to this.
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It’s a good thing it’s a free country Mike. You are free to not tip if you choose. I hope you never become a regular in a restaurant. Or maybe you should….
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lets say us servers did get paid what we are worth or close, lets say $25 an hr.Your meal lets say at a chain store, usually is about $23 per a person. Your meal now would be about $50. So would you like to tip us or have the cost added to your bill?
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What makes you think server is worth $25 dollars an hour or anywhere near that,especially at a chain restaurant?
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work in a restaurant… you will realize… servers put up a HUGE front with people. most the time they are in the kitchen bitchin and complaining… but you would NEVER know…
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Todd I’m not sure if you ever worked in a restaurant, but especially in a chain restaurant we servers deserve $25 a hr and more. We put up with teenagers who a lot of the time they like to make us run our butts off. We have guests who are just not happy at all and think they are better than us. We do get great guests who are nice and joke around. But a lot of times we get people who look to get free food.
Before I keep on ranting, I suggest you watch the movie waiting. It shows you what type of guest we put up with.
And it’s not just guests, we have to make sure your food is correct, keep yours and other guests drinks refilled, we stock the back constantly, a lot of restaurants we are kind of a custodian to. At the end off the day we clean under around the tables. Front of the line we scrub where the soups and dressings are kept. Restock for the next. A lot of times after closing we can be there from a half hr to 2 hrs after closing depends on how much help we have and how much of a mess there is.
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I feel like tipping has become a way to subsidize cheap employers and I don’t especially like it. Why? Because now we’re expected to tip everyone!
No one pays me extra when they buy my book because they think it’s exceptionally brilliant. They may call or email and tell me they enjoyed how funny it is. Why don’t I get an extra 15%?
When a hairstylist charges $135 for color and cut, I sure don’t feel like adding $25 to that!
And when staying in a $239 a night cabin, as we did last weekend, why would I leave $5 on the dresser each day for housekeeping to bring fresh towels? It’s not like they give a discount when they leave no washcloths in the room!
Hotels, especially, are going bonkers with this. Bellman takes bags from car to lobby, $5 for 2-3 bag. Another bellman takes bags from lobby to room, another $5. Same on the way down. Oh, and coffee is now Starbucks in the lobby, but they don’t take Starbucks gift cards because it’s a different franchise…$4 plus $1 tip. You want a bottle of water in your room? $4. And all of this is at a really NICE hotel where the maid cleans your water glasses with Windex instead of soap and water and the bedspreads are never washed.
T-I-P originally meant “to ensure [sic] promptness.” You sit down for lunch, explain your conference resumes in 45 minutes and hand the waitperson $5-$10.
Now the newspaper delivery person, who misses your paper the morning after the Oscars, is late (you’ve already gone to work) the next four days and at least one day each week, puts it in the other driveway once or twice a week includes a rubber-stamp holiday card and return envelope at the end of the year for a tip? I don’t think so!
Mara: You BOSS needs to pay you to restock and wipe up where salad dressing is stored, not the diners you served. You and I both know not all servers are equally ambitious for the good of the entire establishment!
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Mara,
I don’t know if you ever ate in a chain restaurant but in most the servers act like they are doing you a favor just taking your order and bringing your food, much less refilling your drinks,making sure the order is correct,or being polite. I still don’t see anywhere in your reply a skill that is worth $25 an hour. I don’t know of any unskilled labor job that pays that kind of money.
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@ Mara, why would that customers bill double? Are you only serving that one person for an hour? If so you probably don’t warrant $25/hour. On the other hand, if, in an hour you serve five tables of 2, it would cost each person only $2.50 to pay your desired hourly wage (which to be honest strikes me a little high, and I’ve done my share of crappy customer service jobs) which is less than the de rigueur 15% tip.
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whoever says that you are not required to tip your waitress/waiter has obviously never been one!!! out of all these people waitresses/waiters get the least hourly wage… $2.35/hour!!!! yeah that’s WAY below minimum wage! so if you don’t tip, you’re basically saying that that person doesn’t even deserve a living (minimum) wage!
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Ok L.
Have you ever managed a Business or owned one.
If the servers wage goes up then bartenders wage, bussers, expo and cooks wages will go up to. Because we tip these co workers to. Oh sorry some places we tip the hosts to. Not just that workmen’s comp goes up, taxes on theses employees go up, unemployment goes up. All at the cost of the employer. So this is how I came up with the estimate of the cost of your meal. At a chain restaurant. Just in general:Mom and pop shops would never be able to pay this unless they are very successful. Owning a restaurant that is not a successful chain takes about two years to see profit and that’s at paying your server, bartenders and bussers @ minimum wage or less.
Can you survive at 2.35 a hr or Even $8 an hr? No I don’t think so. So that is why us servers get upset when we do not get tipped. Because we pay tax’s on our sales. If we have sold $500 in one night the government expects us to pay tax’s on that at least $65 in tips. So if any one who thinks it’s not right to tip your server just remember we do pay if we get tipped or not.
To the comment of where T.I.P.S. came from I did mention it. My service would still be good if you put the tip out front or not. I rather have the tip out front so I know if I am doing a great job or not.
For those of you who had snobby servers I’m sorry but that’s not how most of us are. The reason I do this is because I like meeting new people. The person that has a bad day and comes in and some how I am able to make them smile feel better at the end of the meal makes me feel better, I helped some one.
The people who leave me nothing makes me upset, but they are not the ones that make me want to do my job the ones that do is; like this one lady in Seattle who would come in every Wednesday and Sunday she was blind, she was sweet she would sit at the table for hours. The reason she came in is because she liked us she made me laugh I make her laugh yes I would only get may be a $3 or $5 tip from her but knowing that she was happy and would keep on comming made me feel good. But I do have to pay my bill’s and hopefully own my own house. The reason I do this job is because I like making people feel better and all so I am able to do more than one thing at a time. It’s entertaining to me. I have had the 9 to 5 jobs. Yes gone to college and all. But felt like I was doing the same thing over and over again. After a few years.
This was a rant. Sorry but I just wanted those ignorant people to know not all Servers are idiots and this the only job they can do. Yes most servers are 20 something just to get through college. Well if really wanted the money don’t you think we would strip? No offense to the strippers out there, you work your butts off and give a % to your bosses.
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The only point I ever sought to make was that tipping is outmoded, and should not be allowed, or encouraged.
After reading most of these posts, I think that ALL of you have missed the point.
I work in a customer service industry as well, my boss has customers, and I serve them. My boss pays me to take care of his customers, and I DO NOT receive tips, NOR DO I EXPECT TO OR WANT TO.
I also pay my taxes on my wages, when the boss pays me the government takes it right off the top – and, yes, it hurts!
Servers out there should expect to pay taxes on ALL of their income as well, so instead of getting it as tips, they should expect to receive a living wage from their boss – after all, if the servers do not do their job well because they feel they are underpaid, it is ultimately the boss who will be losing out on the revenue from customers who will refuse to come back.
When I go out, which is infrequently (because I pay my taxes instead) I have to calculate the cost of the meal, transportation, etc. ahead of time, and if I have to choose between not going out at all or leaving a large tip – then I will stay home. But if I continue to stay home all the time, how many servers, taxi drivers, etc, will not have jobs because I don’t spend money on those items?
If you don’t like the wages your boss pays you, take it up with your boss, make them pay you what you are worth, but leave me out of it.
And, yes, I know that servers work damn hard – been there, done that, as well as cleaning toilets, cleaning houses, pumping gas – but so do I, and I reserve the right to quit my job if my boss is not paying me what I am worth or mistreating me.
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first of all who said housekeepers wash glasses with windex not me . that ‘s totally wrong there . and if she misses a washed cloth boohoo . sometimes she had a bad day. eveyone makes mistakes. but to not tip the housekeeper i can see that . but it’s always nice when some one leaves you a little something . my lowest tip was $0.02 and my highest tip was $100.00 .so tips for housekeepers varies from person to person . if you don’t want to tip don’t and if you do want to tip for great service then do so ,just stop compalianing you have to .
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