Basic Tips on Tipping: How Much and To Whom?
Published on - October 12th, 2006 (Modified on - October 16th, 2006) (by J.D. Roth) Every time I get my hair cut, I’m faced with a dilemma — should I tip the barber or not? I usually get my hair cut in a small-town shop. I tip $2 on a $12 haircut. If I get to hear stories about Vietnam or histrionic political rants, I tip $3, even if I don’t agree with the barber’s viewpoints. (I tip because I’ve been entertained.) Sometimes, if I don’t have enough cash, I don’t leave a anything at all. Are these tips appropriate?
What about when I pick up Chinese takeout? Should I have tipped the guys who delivered our new gas range last fall? What about a hotel bellhop? A parking valet? Out of curiosity, I did some research on tipping practices in the United States. There’s actually significant disagreement about how much to tip for even common services.
For example, you know you should tip your waitress. But how much should you leave? Some people claim that 10% is adequate. Others claim that 20% is standard. But I suspect that most of us learned to tip 15%, and to give more for exceptional service. (The wikipedia entry on tipping currently contains the bizarre claim that “18% is generally accepted as a standard tip for good service”.) Which amount is correct?
After browsing dozens of pages, I drafted the following guide. The amounts listed are based on averages or on consensus, when possible.
Food Service
- Barista
- No tip required, though many suggest throwing coins into the tip jar.
- Bartender
- $1/drink (or 15% of total bill). Pre-tip for better service.
- Delivery person (including pizza)
- 10%, $2 minimum (also, also)
- Maitre d’
- $5-$25 for special efforts
- Takeout
- No tip required unless something special is done (also, also)
- Waiter
- 15% for adequate service, 20% for exceptional service. For poor service, leave 10% or less. It’s okay to leave nothing for exceptionally poor service, but only if you’re sure it’s the waiter’s fault.
Hotel Staff
- Bellman/Porter
- $1 to $2 per bag, $5 minimum. (Or, just as many places say $1 bag, $2 minimum.)
- Concierge
- $5-$20 depending on the service. $20 if he does something exceptional. Nothing for directions.
- Housekeeper
- $2 to $5 per night, paid daily or as a lump sum at checkout. (Most sites suggest you tip daily.)
- Parking Valet
- A wide range of opinions. Everyone agrees that you should pay when your car is retrieved. Some say to pay when it’s parked, too. Most sites say to tip $2, though some suggest $5.
- Room service
- $5 minimum (unless gratuity is included in check)
Travel
- Bus driver (not mass transit)
- $1 to $2, if she handles luggage
- Cab driver
- 10%, $2-$5 minimum
- Chauffeur
- 10-15%
- Gas station attendant
- Nothing. Or $2-$4. There’s no agreement. (I’ve never seen anyone tip a gas station attendant ever.)
- Porter/skycap
- $1 per bag. $2 for heavy items, or if porter brings luggage to counter.
Personal service
- Barber/Hairstylist
- Again, little agreement: 10-15%, 15-20%, etc. One person recommends $5 to each individual who shampoos or blow-dries your hair! (also)
- Manicurist
- 15%
- Spa service
- 15-20%
- Masseuse
- 10-15%
- Shoe-shiner
- $2 or $3
Other
- Building superintendent
- Varies —read more.
- Coat checker
- Most sites recommend $1 per coat, though one said $2 to $5 upon retrieval.
- Furniture deliverer
- It depends. Most of the time $5-$20. Some recommend simply offering cold drinks. (also)
- Grocery store bagger
- One site recommended $1-$3, though I’ve never seen one tipped in my life.
- Mover
- $10-$25 per person (also)
What about tipping at holidays? Tipping service people with whom you have regular contact can build goodwill. I found these recommendations:
Holiday Tips
- Babysitter: one week’s pay
- Doorman: bottle of wine or box of chocolates
- Garbage collector: $15 to $25
- Gardener: one week’s pay
- Housekeeper: one week’s pay
- Janitor: $15 to $25
- Mail carrier: $15 to $20 (up to $20 non-cash)
- Nanny: one week’s pay
- Newspaper delivery person: $15 to $25
- Parking attendant: $15 to $25
- Personal trainer: $20 to $50 (tip discreetly)
Some points regarding tipping etiquette:
- If you use a coupon or gift certificate, calculate your tip based on the total before discount.
- Tip above the norm if:
- Service is exceptional,
- You’ve been a burden, or
- You are a regular client.
- Don’t tip if it’s not deserved. Poor service should not be rewarded.
- In some circumstances, if you offer an initial tip — especially a large initial tip — you’ll get better service.
- If you take up a restaurant table for a long time, tip extra.
- Tip discreetly.
- When in doubt, tip.
What about public officials? When is a tip a tip, and when is a tip a bribe? My wife and I tipped the judge who married us, but even then we had trouble deciding how much to give him. (We gave him $50.)
I suspect that tipping practices vary widely from region-to-region and, especially based upon the size of the city. As always, do what works for you.
Other articles about tipping:
- How to tip in a foreign country
- International tipping etiquette
- Is it better to tip with cash or with credit?
- Tipping at weddings
- Tipping relieves guilt more than it provides incentive
- Tipping etiquette (which is actually the best guide I found)
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Regarding the tipping of baggers in grocery stores, I’ve never seen it done in the U.S. either, but I lived in Mexico for two years and it was standard practice. I always had to make sure I had a few pesos extra on me when I went shopping. I lived in Honduras, also, and we may have tipped the baggers there also, but I don’t recall.
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[...] a guide, sort of a rule of thumb on how much we should tip for services. Some people feel guilty if they [...]
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Quote – “T-I-P originally meant “to ensure [sic] promptness.” ” LOL… If that were the origins would that not mean that we should be discussing “tepping” then?
Jeez… if everything were relative and servers should be getting paid $25 / hour for unskilled work then I should be getting $100 / hour instead of the $25 I am getting.
For those that keep saying that servers get a smaller minimum wage… that is because they are expected to get tips to bring them up to at least minimum wage. In most states / provinces, if a server does not earn enough tips to meet minimum wage then the employer is required to make up the difference. I’ve never heard of this actually happening because then all of a sudden they would have to pay taxes on their wages instead of hiding.
By the way, I do not hesitate to tip a server 20% – 100% or a concierge $20 or $50 if service is good. And I do not hesitate to leave $0 if service sucks.
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To Freddie,
Servers are not unskilled workers. In a lot of restaurants servers go through a long processes of training and many restaurants require you to have two years or more experience in serving. Now a lot of those chain restaurants require you to take 170 plus test before being interviewed. This test is a lot of math, word comprehension. The college placement tests are a lot easier than theses tests the restaurants have you take. So no most of us are not unskilled.
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How about tipping teachers, who stay in at their lunch time , to help a student who is having some problems. No! we usually get “well it’s your fault my child doesn’t know how to do it”
I tip, but agree with some of you. Why should I pay you extra for doing your job.
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umm excuse me tip teachers??? actually alot of teachers DONT take there time out. and if you are one of the very few I applaud you for that. but I dont think we should tip teachers…
and no one will ever realize what “stress” a server goes through when waiting on people unless you have been one. but yall take this “tipping” thing way out of context….. i mean you can spare 5 dollars…..
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Kathryn,
1) How do you *know* how much a person can spare?
2) Is it possible, if you’re a server, you make more than some of the people you serve do? But you think they should “give” you $5?
3) It seems the thrust of this conversation is that people in service industries or professions should be tipped. Would that include customer service people who help you with your computer? And Realtors who help you sell your house? And bus drivers who take you down the street?
I, and others here, are saying people should be paid a fair, or even good, wage by their employers. Basic work doesn’t deserve a tip. We all do basic work. Most of us interact with people who think they deserve something from us.
It is not fair. Either all service professions, or no service professions, should be tipped. I have a carpenter coming tomorrow. I suppose if he’s really great, I should pay more for his work? No, if he’s really good, he’ll get an unlimited supply of cool bottled water, prompt payment and referrals.
If you aren’t getting paid what you’re worth, talk to your boss…or start your own business.
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Again, I have to say that if the “bosses” were paying what most (not all) servers are worth. You probably wouldn’t like the results. Prices would go up and there’s no two ways about it. Your service also wouldn’t be as good. Believe me it’s not easy trying to smile and be nice all the time. Especially when you serve those idiots who treat you like dirt. I realise that you could never understand (no matter what you say) what a server actually goes through. If you don’t like the idea of tipping, why don’t YOU phone my boss and tell him you think I should be paid more (i would be ok with that). Maybe he’ll listen to you (lol) cause he sure in the heck won’t listen to me.
Oh, and if you can’t afford to tip, you probably should be saving your money and eating at home because your financial situation is in crisis.
And I actually have too businesses thank you!
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Kevin, you sound like you think wait staff are the only service people who have to deal with annoying, whining customers.
Do you truly believe you suffer more than a firefighter or schoolteacher or Microsoft Office customer support rep?
The SYSTEM is broken. It isn’t about YOU.
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Lin, it wasn’t my intention to sound like wait staff were better or worse that other service orientated jobs. I don’t believe I suggested that. There are alot of people on this thread who complain about having to tip and imply that it’s not hard to serve (come on, read some of the posts). In fact some of the posts seem to suggest that we are idiots. They are dead wrong! I’m not saying that it’s easy to to any customer service job. In canada, school teachers, firefighters, ect. are paid by the city, or province. they are doing a public service (and a great one). Please don’t put words in my mouth. They don’t serve people in the same way and we both know that Lin. I would save your life for free (honest). It’s not a for profit business. You don’t light your house on fire and say, hey I want some service. You pay your taxes and it is provided for you in case of an emergency. It’s a life or death situation. Your talking apples and oranges. Don’t be silly.
I’m quite aware this is not about me. I was a sociology major. Believe me when I say I know the system is broken.
If you really think about it though, going out to eat would be a total different experience if you didn’t tip. You would pay more. You would be treated exactly the same as everyone else, much like phoning a customer rep at microsoft. Do you think they really give a crap. No. Will they rush your problem ahead of the 1000′s of others. No. You are a number.
Servers rush for you and do the extras you request because they are trying to get a good tip (yes some servers do expect something for nothing at times). They are trying to let you enjoy your night out. If servers didn’t get tipped that sort of thing may fade away and you would become a number. Oh, you want a little extra sauce, sorry that’s not included in the price on the menu. Oh, you want onions and mushrooms in that. That will be extra because it’s not included in the price on the menu. Oh your food is taking along time, what incentive do I have to to try and get it for you faster. I’m getting paid the same either way. Much like a microsoft rep.
I’m not knocking bieng a customer service rep (like for microsoft). I would dread the stress of that job. I’m just saying that it’s not the same. Maybe if you slipped the customer service rep some cash you would be taken care of better. I actually wonder what they get paid. Anyone know.
I am a good server and I’ll say it again. You would want me as your server. No good server would do the job if tipping didn’t exist. There would be know incentive. You would simply be another number. That’s how it works. Your right. The system may be broken but money drives the world.
Hell….democracy is broken. Lets talk about that instead ok.
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wow…. i just meant dont be stiff….. DO NOT TAKE that the wrong way….. its been said that we lose like 20 dollars a week….. we dont realize where it goes…. well why not start tipping???? and well no im not a server I do TOGO work….but im pretty much like a server. but all i was getting at is that you can spare money….
its not going to kill you.
and to answer your other ?s…. think of the term SERVING…… you are SERVING some body….. and well some people serve better and deserve better tips… and some dont…. I cant change the way we do things….. and SIMPLE work??? WTF!!! what do you do for a living???? and actually realators and others do get “tips” they get COMMESSION!!….. my mom sells cars and thats how she is paid…. if she doesnt sell she does not get paid. sorta like with serving….. and dont real-state agents work the same way??? so do lawyers and many other proffessions…… we just dont call it “tipping”
ok it would be odd for your carpenter to get a MONEY tip from you….. I get that…. but giving him REFERALS if he is good…is pretty much your tip to him.
and ACTUALLY i get better tips from the drug lords where im from than the FUCKING doctors!!!!
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Wow. Can’t believe I read most of these! A tip discussion always turns into a flame war. So naturally, I’ll throw in my 2 cents:
- Waiters: You’re not entitled to a tip- that’s the customer’s decision. If I leave a penny, its because you suck & I had a crappy experience w/ you. Its not my fault you suck & I shouldn’t have to go out of my way to discuss it with your manager OR leave you a pity tip. You should be intelligent enough to know what you did wrong.
I *don’t* know what its like to be in your shoes, and I *don’t* want to be (which is why I’m NOT a waiter). Don’t take a lousy attitude w/ customers because a job YOU picked doesn’t pay well and you expect my tips to supplement your “living” wage. Take that up w/ management.
- Customers: Do unto others and cut some slack. There’s a difference between honest mistakes during the noon rush and flat out rudeness / bad service & incompetence (that is the fault of the waiter). Bottom line: don’t be a d!ck or a b!tch to your waiter- show some respect for your fellow man.
- Restaurant owners: I’d gladly pay more per dish if you treated your wait staff right by paying good wages & had a sign that said: “Tip only for exceptional service, please”
Having said that, I usually start the tip @ 15% (which is good for South Texas) and 20% and higher for great service. Servers earn their tips & Mojo and others have said it- we’ve gotten way to carried away w/ tipping everyone for doing their job. To those crying about how hard the job is ask yourself: Do I claim ALL tips on my taxes and do I tip those that work just as hard as me, but aren’t waiters??
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Jason,
Thank you for having a level head. I’m a server (if you didn’t guess) and I agree, we don’t have a right to your tip. It is our responsibilty to earn it. That said, some people think that gives them the right to treat us rudely, or that they are above us in some way.
“Bottom line: don’t be a d!ck or a b!tch to your waiter- show some respect for your fellow man.”
Exactly! This goes for customers and servers or anybody.
I want to point out that I myself wasn’t crying about how hard the job is, I was merely trying to point out that it is not an easy brainless job as some folks here have implied. That said, I know some pretty brainless servers.
Great post Jason! You’d be welcome in my resturant anytime!
I claim 10% of my tips (as required by law in canada) and I tip way too much. Gas jockey’s to subway clerks. You should try it. It’s worth it just to see the shock and look of appreciation on thier face. It makes them feel like they are worth something.
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OK, I have a question. One that always confuses me is tipping hairstylists. Some of them are independent contractors, and some of them are employees. Obviously, if they are “self-employed,” they keep the entire amount minus rent and expenses. Employees, on the other hand, only get an hourly wage. Do you tip them the same? I used to only tip hairstylists 5-10%, but my sister told me that anybody who provides a personal service which includes physical contact deserves 20% minimum. I apologize if this question has already been addressed, but there were too many entries to read them all.
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Jason, you are a smart cookie…
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I agree with Jason. As he said, I would prefer if the “service” is already included in the bill or food ordered, hence the tip is really just for the gratitude for going “above and beyond”.
Having said that, since there is really a culture of tipping in the US, should we tip help desk people? How about FedEx/UPS people or the cashiers in the supermarkets?
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We are having a fence installed around the perimeter of our wooded property, approx 1 acre. The men who are installing it have worked 3 days in 90 degree weather and have had to drill holes in years of fallen foliage. The fence is costing us 10,500, dollars. The men are obviously Latin immigrants and I doubt very much that they will see much of the profit. So, should I tip these guys?
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A tip should be something you feel these people who serve you or do something for you deserve. You should decide the amount for yourself based on how you felt your service was. If you have never worked in a restaurant or bar I would like to add that in most states waiters or bartenders only make about $3 an hour and they are EXPECTED to make up the rest of their minimum wage in tips.PS- I do not go to a restaurant if I cannot afford to tip!
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When I was a waiter/bartender, I averaged 20% in tips on most shifts. I had my share of stiffing and people walking checks, but overall it was fairly lucrative. The $2.35 was a joke and my checks were always $0.00.
I found I had the most controll over my tips through my positive attitude and consistently going above and beyond the call of duty. I also set a goal to have food sales of at least $1,000 per shift, even if that meant volunteering to stay on the floor after everyone would leave. I learned to upsell like crazy and it made all the difference in the world in the amount of money I made and the percentage of tip’s I received compared to some of my colleagues who had an attitude of entitlement to tips. Customers can smell attitude and entitlement issues a mile away.
If someone stiffed me or walked on a check, I re-grouped and gave the next round of tables the best service they ever received in their life and more often than not, I made up the difference to at least pull 15-18% out of the shift.
I consistently tip 20% on my pre-tax entertainment bills and I almost always receive excellent service, especially at establishments I frequent.
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OK, so what about higher priced food? I feel really weird leaving a huge tip just because it’s the correct percentage of highly priced food. I mean, if I go for a quiet lunch on Fisherman’s Wharf, the bill is going to be expensive, but the server didn’t have to work too hard. On the other hand, if I take my kids to Denny’s, that server is going to have to do a lot more running around for us. How can I justify that 18% of one is more than 18% of the other when one is clearly more work than the other?
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The price of food or drink should have no bearing on tip percentage.
How does one measure how hard one server works compared to another? Does the server running around at Denny’s add some additional intrinsic value to the experience of being served as opposed to a server who saunter’s by on Fisherman’s Wharf? Tipping is not about paying someone for a perceived measure of hard work, it is about paying someone to serve you.
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ok let me say this in the way were you not so tough folks can understand….
here is the people that tip.
Anyone who has worked in a restaurant.
drunk people
white middle class families.
lower class black fammilies.
here is how does not tip…. well or not at all.
non drunk 21-30 yearolds… race dont matter
high class black families
low to middle class white families
the elderly
Now I know this is not a TRUE fact…. but ask ANYONE who works in the food business they will say this is true.
truthfully im so sick and tired of hearing how stingy you people are. goodness sakes no server is accepting 10 bucks on a 50 dollar order….. BUT
when we BUST our ass for you and you leave a freaken 2 dollar tip on a 50 dollar order we do get pissed.
yes most people on here are STINGY! im 20 years old have hardly any money but I always leave a good tip.
oh and if you have a habit of leaving shitty tips…… servers pick up on this and tell each other…… and when you come back to that place you will get shitty service. first you get great service…. but it works both ways.
great service= great tip…. BUT if
Great service=shitty tip then you get Shitty service the next time.
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Kathryn,
I’ve been in the restaurant industry for 20 years. I am a bartender but I have done it all. Keith was was right. Customers can smell a bad attitude a mile away. In my experience, you never know what table is going to stiff you. Sometimes it’s the one that you thought was going to leave you the biggest tip of your shift. You should try loosing your pre-conceived notions about tables. Give them all genuine, great service and you’ll find you’ll get stiffed less. Even by the tables you’ve talked about. Maybe they don’t tip you because they can read your body language. You can smile all you want or what ever, but if you think think badly of they table before you’ve even said hi, they WILL know. Treat them like real people (because they are) then I’m sure you’ll see better results.
Don’t be mad that your post got deleted. It clearly went too far.
Where in the world did you ever come up with the nickname Canadian? I don’t even know how that relates? Have you ever been to Canada? Do you think for yourself or do you just say the same things other servers say so you’ll be cool.
Get that crap out of your head and I’m sure you’ll be fine.
The bottom line is: Treat everyone like they are worthy of your service and they’ll be more likely to think you are worthy of a tip. They don’t owe you anything. You do have to work for it.
Some tables don’t tip and that’s the way the business is. People from all walks of life stiff. Think for your self and get those pre judgements out of your head then you’ll make more money I guarantee it. I’ve seen it a million times.
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wow….. i know that!! i agree with it!!
dont think that im new at this business…..im not…. but i do know what I know
and trust me ask anyone in that business….. what a canadian is…..
but yes i agree with you on treating people like they ate normal….. but when you run me and im busy and dont tip and your a canadian……well….
but dont tell me to get some crap out of my head.
I dont really prejudge my orders…. ,
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wow….. i know that!! i agree with it!!
dont think that im new at this business…..im not…. but i do know what I know
and trust me ask anyone in that business….. what a canadian is…..
but yes i agree with you on treating people like they ate normal….. but when you run me and im busy and dont tip and your a canadian……well….
but dont tell me to get some crap out of my head.
I dont really prejudge my orders but i do see who it is to prepare myself.
I think its hilarious that you are telling me this.
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oh we cant say black….so we say canadian….. its popular in family chain places…..like applebees and chilis…..
and not all blacks are canadians…..
and i have no idea…..where it came from….. its a mystery….
so quit harrassing me.
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I’m not harassing you. You can’t join a conversation like this, make a bold statement, and not expect someone to retort to it. Why do you think it’s hilarious? You clearly stated, in your post that got deleted, and I quote “which is prob why us servers give you the WORST service because in the back of our minds we know you will prob leave some shitty tip”
This IS pre judging. When you say “don’t seat me the Canadians”, that is pre judging too. Sorry if I offended you. I think it’s funny that you are 20 years old and you say you are not new to the industry, but you’ll understand that some day.
Anyway, this is getting off the topic of the blog post.
I tend to over tip like crazy but that’s because I help support myself with tips. Would you guys believe I tipped the gas attendant for getting me a pack of smokes. I get a little carried away. Anyone else tip too much?
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I have worked lots of jobs in the past dealing directly with the customer, but none of those were socially accepted “tipping jobs”. Just because someone is handling food doesn’t mean they work any harder than anyone else or are any more deserving of money. I’m a little bitter about the entire tipping system in general. I tip well when someone does a great job, otherwise I don’t feel very obligated to leave a big tip.
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To Kathryn,
Ok I have about lets say 16 to 18 years experience in the restaurant world. I grew up with my dad owning a pizza place. I have never heard any server call a customer a “Canadian”.
And yes I have worked for mom and pops places, and just recently was working for Chili’s and no one used that saying.
Hears some advice if your 20 now and don’t like the restaurant business go to retail or something else. And please stop making the rest of us look bad.
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i love working at one…. thats how everyone i know is.
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I am not trying to make anyone look bad…. im just giving that advice to the dumb asses who dont tip. at every restaurant I have worked at we have ALWAYS called blacks….. Canadians. Even the BLACKS who work there. I have learned that once a server get a bad table no matter the race….. the next time they come in…. that server will avoid them. I have seen it happen. Im just trying to give these people some harsh advice…. on why their food is taking so damn long….. maybe its because of how you treated your server….. and NO just because they are black does NOT mean they will automatically get treated bad. by any means. BUT…… we do deserve the RIGHT to BITCH and COMPLAIN about them when they make us bend overbackwards and leave us 3 bucks on a 50 dollar ticket.
I love working in that business…… its all I know. All my friends have always worked in restaurants….. I know where I live its pretty popular for the 18-24 yearold crowd to work at one in the summer time…….
but I am not by ANY MEANS trying to make anyone LOOK bad. I just tell the truth….. im just so tired of people saying why do I tip them and not them…… and why do I get bad service.
heres the thing if theres a LINE on your credit card recepit that says TIP………….. leave a tip…….. its up to YOU to figure out what it is.
if theres a TIP JAR leave a dollar. does not mean you must everytime. just every so often.
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Kathryn,
I run my own Bar/restaurant at a golf course, and I have worked at five other places serving or bartending a few of them very high class and a corporate place as well as a mom and pop sort of place. NEVER in my life have i heard the term Canadian or have i heard anyone discriminate against “black” people that way! Your complete ignorance disgusts me and I think you are giving other people in this industry a bad name! I would never hire you and I am surprised you still have a job at all in any line of business! Servers and bartenders have no right to demand a tip for service you only have a right to earn it. If you get stiffed occasionaly but you are agood server it will be made up in the other great tips you have received. If someone stiffs me and comes back in I will take their table and try twice as hard to make their meal very enjoyable not give them “shittier service.” In the end everyone will get what they earn good or bad!
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lets go back
Great Service should equal good tip.
if great service = bad tip
then the next time they come in they get BAD SERVICE.
and where IM FROM USUALLY the blacks (we call them that, even the blacks that work with me…. because RACISM still exist in my state…. so we call them that.) are the ones who WORK YOU TO DEATH and leave you NOTHING!
its just a code name. we have other code names.
it would probably help if yall knew im from Mississippi.
and even the black service where I have worked HATED dealing with CERTAIN black guest.
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You have it all wrong
YOUR JOB = GOOD SERVICE
regardless of tip!
Racism still exists every where because ignorant people like you exist everywhere the color of your skin should have nothing to do with how you are treated as a PERSON!
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I GET WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING… BUT I DONT WAIT TABLES!!
I DO TOGO WORK…….. IM JUST SAYING WHAT OTHER SERVERS SAY AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN.
i have seen a server work their ass for a table….and get a bad tip..
and that same table comes back and gets either the same server or a different one….. if that other server knows they wont tip….. they are prob not going to give them the BEST service…. like fill their drinks up in a second….. go to the table alot. that table will still get Ok service.
but lets face it….. you know the people who tip and dont….. ( your regulars!! ) and you give them different service. maybe with out realizing it you do.
and if you read my comments…. AT FIRST everyone is treated the same…… but I have never seen a party of WHITES work their server to death and leave a 2 dollar tip on a $100 order!!!! and that server can be WHITE OR BLACK! I have seen a party of blacks,elderly people, and kids (thats understandable) work a server to death…. and leave a bad tip….. its happends hmm 7 out of 10 times. and that server does not GIVE THEM BAD SERVICE depending on their color…… but trust me
when they get their “tip” they dont accept much….
and it has nothing to do with black and white….. in general some people tip better and some dont……
I have hosted in the past and I have had servers in the PAST tell me not to seat them certain people…..even regulars because they do not TIP. and they dont want them in their section where a tipper would sit.
and like I said before not ALL blacks who step into a restuarant are canadians…….
and I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING…….. I DO.
but I just know how things have worked where I work.
think EVEN THE BLACK SERVERS HATE DEALING WITH BLACK GUEST…..
what does that tell you?????
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Tipping has gone way too far!! It is the responsibility of the owners of businesses to hire the people who will provide great service to their customers and therefore command repeat business. For that, the owners need to pay their employees well, and that additional money should come from the increased revenue brought in by better service.
There should be no tipping needed unless someone wants to tip someone out of their own desire.
If we do this, restaurants and hotels will hire better people by paying them well. Good people will go to work for good establishments who pay well. And, customers will pay the prices on the menu or quoted price for rooms, NOT the price of the dish or room plus….plus….plus!!!
By making customers pay for their help, hotels, restaurants, barbershops etc. are only increasing their own revenues at the expense of the customers and the employees!!!
From now on, it’s no tip except a nominal fee for exceptional service. My costs have also gone up, eg. gas, food etc. and my salary doesn’t keep up pace, while restaurants keep raising prices and tips. If they don’t like it then I suppose I will receive poor service which will mean I won’t revisit that establishment again, which will lead to lower revenues, and ultimately…..if enough of us do that, poooof, the place is gone, or the owners will get wise and pay their staff what they’re worth without the tips.
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The decision to tip is ultimately yours. It is our job to serve you well enough to deserve a tip. The fact of the matter is, 99% of establishments would never consider paying the kind of money it would take to get good people to work without tips. We run 18 servers over our peak period. You would have to pay each server at least $25/hour to serve without tips. A five hour shift is $125*18= $2250 and that’s just the night shift. Lets just leave it at the night shift because day servers make less and not everyone stays the full 5 hours. My employer is corporate so we are closed Chistmas only. $2250*364 days = $819,000 a year. Do you think my employer is going to start paying me what I am worth and loose out on that kind of money. Where I work, you have to be good or you don’t work there (although we all have bad days just like everyone else).
Do you think the mom and pop places can afford to pay servers $25/hour?
Besides, like I said before. What incentive would we have to go the extra mile for you if we were getting a straight wage. Do you think I would rush to fix a kitchen mistake, rush my butt off for your extras, or do all the behind the scene things that you don’t see. It may not seem right, but this is why we go the extra mile.
Sure we will be nice but why would I do extra if I don’t have to. That’s the way most people that I know are in thier “normal” jobs.
You may not think servers should be making the kind of money they do but who is anyone to say that. It really is hard to do this job well. It’s probably because most servers are younger and are considered inferior (I’m 35).
Ok, seriously. Give a few restaraunts a call and suggest that they go with a no tipping policy and ask them to pay servers more instead. See what they say. Please do this and let us know on this blog what they said. I would be very interested and I’m sure others here would be too.
I would love to make $25 – $30/hour and have no tipping. I’m all for it!
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servers can not control and can not help about what they receive on their pay checks….. and yes you can say that they dont have to work there…which is true….. but for the 18-25 yearold crowd MOST of us like working in restaruants……the schedules can be changed easily and you usually only have to work at night. which makes it easier. Alot of people do it just to make a few bucks here and there. but please for the LOVE OF GOD stop complaining about leaving a tip you cheap pieces of shit.
im sorry but until you know what its like to work in a restuarant you will never understand what its like to work at one…… I suggest you who are complaining read the book Waiting…. and NO its not based on that movie.
I get that we have ALL had a fair share of bad experiences in restaurants…….. but just because you have a bad experience does not mean you should complain…..
and tip togo. please…. 2 dollars or 1 dollar….. I have more orders than a server does……. and it adds up.
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Yes, Kathryn,
Way to go! Calling people – any people – “cheap pieces of shit” is right on. In fact, I think I read that as a teenager in How to Win Friends and Influence People.
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Most employees earn only what they’re paid, even in service professions, such as tech support customer service, or retail support customer service. And the support person who explains to you over and over why your telephone bill is more than you expected.
I provide all the customer service for the products I sell, yet, I earn only what I’m able to generate as profit on sales. No one ever tips me, even when my work saves them hundreds of thousands of dollars. No one tips millions of my comrades who haven’t learned to depend on what sounds, from some of the comments here, like a socially acceptable form of begging (taking handouts).
Grocery store cashiers should be tipped, from what you and others are saying. And the bagger. And the “busser” who wheels your cart back inside the store.
And also tip people reading blog comments, because we have to put up with a lot more tripe than people who don’t read comments.
Lin
PS: I’m truly sorry this discussion got off on why you deserve tips instead of sticking with appropriate amounts, as requested by JD, or the even livelier discussion of whether the whole tipping quagmire should be overhauled. Thrifty people cannot afford tipping *everyone* at Christmas. According to you, if they can’t add an extra tip for the hair dresser, and a tip for the newspaper delivery person and letter carrier (times 10-20 “service people”), they should cancel their paper and mail and stay home and cut their own hair.
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Waiters and waitresses come into the business for a variety of reasons. How long they stay in it is also determined by a number of factors. But I can almost guarantee that all of them would agree that there, their major motivator is the tip. Tips are not just a side perk. They are not an added bonus. For a waiter or waitress, tipping is the raison d’etre f a restaurant, considered an absolute right by those on the receiving end. Thou shalt not fuck with the tip. The tip is everything.
WANT (Wages And Not Tips) is a much more eatreme group whose members leave business cards with their checks stating they don’t believe in tipping. According to their group, employers should pay their employees fairly and spare the customer the agony of trying to calculate and then fork over a tip. Get a life, I say. And watch your back n the way out of the restaurant because those who don’t tip can expect unique repercussions from those they stiff.
There is, too, the case of recurring bad tippers. Regulars who tip badly usually don’t last very long. For one thing, one waiter after another refuses to wait on these people until they run through the entire wait staff.
ALL FROM THE BOOK WAITING
BY DEBRA GINSBERG..
and no the books is not about her complaining its a very good book….
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ok first off the BUSS BOYS at restaurants EARN 8 to 9 bucks an hour! and some get a tip out…. the cashier at the grocery store earns about the same. and the bagger gets the same…. and yah some people tip them.
and im not calling EVERYONE on here a cheap piece of shit… BUT those who think its OK not to tip even though your server bent over backwards is. and im not a teenager….actually im suprised anyone over 30 would waste their time on here….. complaining.
I actually AGREE with alot thats said on here.
and I NEVER SAID THAT PEOPLE SHOULD CANCEL THEIR PAPER AND CUT THEIR OWN HAIR. I did say that giving a DOLLAR a FREAKING DOLLAR is not going to make some one poor……
I dont mean a dollar as in 5 bucks I mean ONE DOLLAR……
so dont go off saying things that I never wrote on here.
and I have the right to refuse service…. all servers do.
do we??? nope…
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To those waitstaff who fantasize “revenge” spitting in food in response to poor tips. Just remember that is a criminal action and if you think life is hard now you have no idea the legal wrath that will befall you if that is discovered by a customer. To even think of doing that is lower class in my opinion than low tipping.
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never seen anyone SPIT in someones food LOL!
BUT i have seen servers up charge like a bitch when you have complaining customers… MOST the time we can get a way with out charging you for that EXTRA scoop of mash….. ive done it. im not suppose to.
we have ways to fuck with you and you dont even REALIZE it.
cardnel rule….
DONT FUCK WITH PEOPLE WHO MESS WITH YOUR FOOD!
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TIP stands for To Insure Promptness. So if your server is on top of it I believe you should leave a tip but if you are getting terrible service then don’t leave a tip. As for the No tip policy and restaurants pay their employees more that is a joke right?? If you run your own food service business you would understand what I am saying. Well on my menu the food cost is thirty percent of everything because I don’t want to jack my prices up. The 30% is if there are no mistakes or no food is thrown away. Then I pay each of my servers/bartenders $8.50 or more an hour plus we have to pay for all our lights and fryers and grills to be on and operated, then we have to pay for all our licenses not to mention the costs for glasses, plates, silverware, napkins, plus each time one of the dish sanitizing machines does a load we get charged for that because we have to keep your plates and dishes clean and sanitized. So if we were to pay our employees what they are worth, which in my eyes may even be more than $30 an hour we would go out of business unless we sold each menu item at very high price.
It also bothers me when people say well i work my butt off and I should get tipped this and that. Well most employers not in the hotel or restaurant or salon services don’t even allow it if you want to work will you would make tips choose a different profession and hope that you are the type of person who is good at it. Not everyone is cut out to be a server or a bartender. There are profession I wish I could tip so maybe they would give better service, such as phone companies or credit card companies. When you call them you are put on hold and then holding some more just for them to tell you they can’t help you, see if that flys in your favorite restaurant.
I believe strongly in tipping for a job well done in an industry that it is normal to do so. I also liked making those tips. I understand when someone is poor, but if you don’t have enough to tip you probably shouldn’t be eating out in the first place.
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I’m getting a free trial make-over for my wedding at MAC in the mall; however, I need to purchase $50 worth of make-up to get the make-over. Do I need to tip the make-up artist considering they are also a salesperson?
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no they get a commission off of that purchase…..
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this is too 189 or 89, i never heard such crap servestr are not worth $25 an hour , they bring food to a table , maybe get a drink or two and destress they don’t clean shitoff floors , pea or votmit , make beds , dust ,vaccum , rearange furnutes,fold liens wash floors , stock carts. stock storge . all in a 6 hour day only to get paid $7.00 an hours, at my hotel we have 11 rooms and they get trashed and you have 30 mins to clean them and and with break yu get 6 hours a day and they say that’s full time . waiter and waitress even tho they get $2.13 an hour get more then i do. i don’t get many tips either, but i don’t care when where pack and we have lots to do, when were slow we only get 1hour and 15 mins ao i feel housekeepers are unddwerpaid big time. so in responce to yous out there that think waiters should get $25 an hour i say no way.
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11 rooms a housekeeper on 3rd and sec floor forst get has 17 rooms and two housekeepers on it 3 rd and second have 3 housekeeprs each. so it is a80 room hotel sorry forthe confusion
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