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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2006/10/17/are-you-normal-about-money/comment-page-1/#comment-82864</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If poverty level for a single person is about $10,000/year.... then your $63,840.40 should allow you to live at poverty level for around six years.
If it&#039;s not unusual now for people to live 30 years past retirement (age 65), then JUST to have a poverty level income, you&#039;d have to have $10K x 30 = $300,000.
I guess if we&#039;re all in the same (poverty) boat together... prices will have to adjust to meet us, because as a people, we will be unable to meet them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If poverty level for a single person is about $10,000/year&#8230;. then your $63,840.40 should allow you to live at poverty level for around six years.<br />
If it&#8217;s not unusual now for people to live 30 years past retirement (age 65), then JUST to have a poverty level income, you&#8217;d have to have $10K x 30 = $300,000.<br />
I guess if we&#8217;re all in the same (poverty) boat together&#8230; prices will have to adjust to meet us, because as a people, we will be unable to meet them?</p>
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		<title>By: NLG</title>
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		<dc:creator>NLG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone here want to be &#039;normal&#039; about finance?  Not me, I&#039;d rather try to stay well-ahead of the curve!

Check out the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.networthiq.com/explore/net-worth-statistics.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stats&lt;/a&gt; on NetworthIQ.  You&#039;ll see that the averages are skewed because some people jump in there and say they have a NW of $26 million at age 30...  ok.  The medians sound reasonable in most cases.


NG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone here want to be &#8216;normal&#8217; about finance?  Not me, I&#8217;d rather try to stay well-ahead of the curve!</p>
<p>Check out the <a href="http://www.networthiq.com/explore/net-worth-statistics.aspx" rel="nofollow">stats</a> on NetworthIQ.  You&#8217;ll see that the averages are skewed because some people jump in there and say they have a NW of $26 million at age 30&#8230;  ok.  The medians sound reasonable in most cases.</p>
<p>NG</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20% seems pretty possible on car insurance. Mine seems to go up every year by 15%, so I wait 2 years and then move to save about 20%, which is still leaving me up by more than inflation every year. 

The accident forgiveness and long term customer discounts are all tricks to get you to stay. If another company is cheaper than your company with &quot;long term discount&quot; applied, what good is that discount doing you? The math on the chances of having an accident are pretty basic and appling that chance of premium increases versus the savings are easy to do. Last I looked one of the companies offering forgiveness charges about 10% a year more for those policies, and most accident surcharges are 10%.

Finally, your agent doesn&#039;t set your rates, so he might be a nice guy and good for the community, but if corporate is screwing you on your rates, he can&#039;t help you, and you&#039;re just overpaying some faceless company far away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20% seems pretty possible on car insurance. Mine seems to go up every year by 15%, so I wait 2 years and then move to save about 20%, which is still leaving me up by more than inflation every year. </p>
<p>The accident forgiveness and long term customer discounts are all tricks to get you to stay. If another company is cheaper than your company with &#8220;long term discount&#8221; applied, what good is that discount doing you? The math on the chances of having an accident are pretty basic and appling that chance of premium increases versus the savings are easy to do. Last I looked one of the companies offering forgiveness charges about 10% a year more for those policies, and most accident surcharges are 10%.</p>
<p>Finally, your agent doesn&#8217;t set your rates, so he might be a nice guy and good for the community, but if corporate is screwing you on your rates, he can&#8217;t help you, and you&#8217;re just overpaying some faceless company far away.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2006/10/17/are-you-normal-about-money/comment-page-1/#comment-10828</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like the trend is more and more young people are saving up for retirement which is a good thing! Interesting post. It reminded me I need to shop around for new car insurance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like the trend is more and more young people are saving up for retirement which is a good thing! Interesting post. It reminded me I need to shop around for new car insurance!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the financial services industry and experts do people a disservice with their &quot;you will need this much money to live in such-and-such fashion&quot; articles. The numbers given--often $2M, $3M or more--are simply inconceivable for the average Joe, and make retirement savings seem like something for the rich. They&#039;re often the result of calculations like &quot;you earn $100K a year now, how much money must you have saved to earn that in retirement, adjusted for inflation?&quot;

The problem with that premise is that unless you&#039;re really a jet-setter, you probably don&#039;t NEED that much money when you&#039;re retired to live a comfortable, fun lifestyle (assuming you got your house paid off while you were still working).

This isn&#039;t to say you shouldn&#039;t try your best to save money for retirement, but something is better than nothing and a lot of the literature is really intimidating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the financial services industry and experts do people a disservice with their &#8220;you will need this much money to live in such-and-such fashion&#8221; articles. The numbers given&#8211;often $2M, $3M or more&#8211;are simply inconceivable for the average Joe, and make retirement savings seem like something for the rich. They&#8217;re often the result of calculations like &#8220;you earn $100K a year now, how much money must you have saved to earn that in retirement, adjusted for inflation?&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with that premise is that unless you&#8217;re really a jet-setter, you probably don&#8217;t NEED that much money when you&#8217;re retired to live a comfortable, fun lifestyle (assuming you got your house paid off while you were still working).</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say you shouldn&#8217;t try your best to save money for retirement, but something is better than nothing and a lot of the literature is really intimidating.</p>
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		<title>By: VinTek</title>
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		<dc:creator>VinTek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cindy makes an excellent point.  I believe that the article at Motley Fool is an interesting &quot;gloom and doom&quot; type commentary, and it&#039;s a little scary to see how many people are unprepared for retirement.

However, with respect to one&#039;s own finances, what others are doing is irrelevant.  There are 2 major questions each person has to answer for himself or herself:

1) How much will you need to retire?
2) Are you doing enough to reach your goal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy makes an excellent point.  I believe that the article at Motley Fool is an interesting &#8220;gloom and doom&#8221; type commentary, and it&#8217;s a little scary to see how many people are unprepared for retirement.</p>
<p>However, with respect to one&#8217;s own finances, what others are doing is irrelevant.  There are 2 major questions each person has to answer for himself or herself:</p>
<p>1) How much will you need to retire?<br />
2) Are you doing enough to reach your goal?</p>
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		<title>By: icup</title>
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		<dc:creator>icup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;100% of people should shop around every time their current policy is up&quot;

I disagree. You get (sometimes substantial) discounts applied for being a loyal customer. But beyond that, because I&#039;ve stuck with my company for so long, they will &#039;forget about&#039; a future at-fault accident, meaning even if an accident is my fault, my rates won&#039;t go up.

Also, I did try shopping aorund once and the quote I got from Geico was substantially more expensive than my current carrier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;100% of people should shop around every time their current policy is up&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree. You get (sometimes substantial) discounts applied for being a loyal customer. But beyond that, because I&#8217;ve stuck with my company for so long, they will &#8216;forget about&#8217; a future at-fault accident, meaning even if an accident is my fault, my rates won&#8217;t go up.</p>
<p>Also, I did try shopping aorund once and the quote I got from Geico was substantially more expensive than my current carrier.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO comparisons to Average (especially in the area of &quot;personal&quot; finance) are, at best, misleading and, at worst, give a false sense of security. I prefer to use more mathematical-based yardsticks that are personalized for my situation, such as the one described in The Millionaire Next Door. 

Is it important how fast or slow one is running compared to other lemmings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO comparisons to Average (especially in the area of &#8220;personal&#8221; finance) are, at best, misleading and, at worst, give a false sense of security. I prefer to use more mathematical-based yardsticks that are personalized for my situation, such as the one described in The Millionaire Next Door. </p>
<p>Is it important how fast or slow one is running compared to other lemmings?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of whether 70% of people actually change car insurance providers yearly, 100% of people should shop around every time their current policy is up.   In my experience, switching providers every 6 months has ALWAYS been cheaper (note: I get the state-required minimum coverage across the board).  

It takes about an hour on the phone or online to get the quotes, but 20% savings isn&#039;t unrealistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of whether 70% of people actually change car insurance providers yearly, 100% of people should shop around every time their current policy is up.   In my experience, switching providers every 6 months has ALWAYS been cheaper (note: I get the state-required minimum coverage across the board).  </p>
<p>It takes about an hour on the phone or online to get the quotes, but 20% savings isn&#8217;t unrealistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting info; but the analysis of the data is only as good as the data itself. Did the results also put it into a geographic context? For example if you&#039;ve got $64,000 saved up for retirement that might last you a few years in say New York if you own your own place but what about a quiet rural town in montana where you don&#039;t have as many expenses? 

While its interesting to see what people are spending I think the context of the data might skew the numbers beyond usability. Though it might make for interesting trivia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting info; but the analysis of the data is only as good as the data itself. Did the results also put it into a geographic context? For example if you&#8217;ve got $64,000 saved up for retirement that might last you a few years in say New York if you own your own place but what about a quiet rural town in montana where you don&#8217;t have as many expenses? </p>
<p>While its interesting to see what people are spending I think the context of the data might skew the numbers beyond usability. Though it might make for interesting trivia.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, it is my assumption -- perhaps false -- that those with large amounts saved at a young age have had help. That is, they&#039;ve inherited money, or have been given it by some other means. It seems unlikely that this savings would have been the product of their own labor. Again, I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely.

You&#039;re right about what the survey considers for retirement savings. It doesn&#039;t include home equity or defined benefit plans, but all other savings and investments.

One thing that I didn&#039;t note is that the EBRI is alarmed that though few people have adequate retirement savings, &lt;b&gt;most&lt;/b&gt; people believe they&#039;ll have enough saved when the time comes. There are some crazy unrealistic expectations about what is needed to retire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, it is my assumption &#8212; perhaps false &#8212; that those with large amounts saved at a young age have had help. That is, they&#8217;ve inherited money, or have been given it by some other means. It seems unlikely that this savings would have been the product of their own labor. Again, I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about what the survey considers for retirement savings. It doesn&#8217;t include home equity or defined benefit plans, but all other savings and investments.</p>
<p>One thing that I didn&#8217;t note is that the EBRI is alarmed that though few people have adequate retirement savings, <b>most</b> people believe they&#8217;ll have enough saved when the time comes. There are some crazy unrealistic expectations about what is needed to retire.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m shocked at the 4% of 25-34 year olds with $500K or more.  I&#039;m 30 years old today (about 6 weeks from being 31), and I save aggressively for retirement.  Assuming I continue my contribution rates that I&#039;m at now, and my account grows at 12% per year (which I think is probably optimistic) I will only have $381K four years from now (right before I turn 35).

I know, nothing to turn your nose up at, but how in the heck are so many young people hitting such a high mark so early?   

I didn&#039;t click though to the survey... what to do they consider &quot;retirement savings&quot;.  I&#039;m only counting 401K and Roth IRAs... not the value of my home or anything like that.  I have no other investments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m shocked at the 4% of 25-34 year olds with $500K or more.  I&#8217;m 30 years old today (about 6 weeks from being 31), and I save aggressively for retirement.  Assuming I continue my contribution rates that I&#8217;m at now, and my account grows at 12% per year (which I think is probably optimistic) I will only have $381K four years from now (right before I turn 35).</p>
<p>I know, nothing to turn your nose up at, but how in the heck are so many young people hitting such a high mark so early?   </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t click though to the survey&#8230; what to do they consider &#8220;retirement savings&#8221;.  I&#8217;m only counting 401K and Roth IRAs&#8230; not the value of my home or anything like that.  I have no other investments.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m with you on the car insurance one. I really call BS on that. At BEST, what it meant was &quot;who has changed car insurance in the past year&quot; to save money. Even at that, I still wouldn&#039;t believe 70%. You can&#039;t get 70% of the population to do ANYTHING together (except dissaprove of George W Bush ;) ), much less 70% each year to do something. An informal survey of my co-workers shows about 2 in 10 who have changed in the past year, so about 20%, which sounds good to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m with you on the car insurance one. I really call BS on that. At BEST, what it meant was &#8220;who has changed car insurance in the past year&#8221; to save money. Even at that, I still wouldn&#8217;t believe 70%. You can&#8217;t get 70% of the population to do ANYTHING together (except dissaprove of George W Bush <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ), much less 70% each year to do something. An informal survey of my co-workers shows about 2 in 10 who have changed in the past year, so about 20%, which sounds good to me.</p>
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