I Make $6.50 an Hour — Am I Poor? Print
Thursday, 11th January 2007 (by J.D.)This article is about Frugality, News, Real-Life
Karen Datko at MSN Money writes that she had “a comfortable life with decent pay and health insurance”. Now she finds herself in survival mode. She wonders: “I make $6.50 an hour. Am I poor?”
I lost my job as a managing editor at a small newspaper in Montana after the ownership changed hands. Six months later, I moved to Pennsylvania to take a similar job. My living arrangements fell through, and as I searched for a rental that would accept my three dogs, I lived in a campground. When it became clear that I’d be a campground dweller for a while, my boss fired me, telling me my living situation was “bad for business.” I sold off my household goods — everything from a sofa to pots and pans — and drove back to small-town Montana.
I still own a house here. And I have a network of loving friends. But now I know why most of my single women friends here work two or more jobs and think about the prospects of a bleak, impoverished old age. Good jobs with benefits are hard to come by here.
Datko writes about working two jobs — one stocking shelves at a department store, the other working in a restaurant. She notes that “anything unexpected is a financial emergency”. The meat of the article is the set of the rules Datko has developed for herself. Highlights include:
- “When I think about buying something, I think about how many hours I have to work to pay for it.” — This is straight out of Your Money or Your Life, the book that started me down the path to smart personal finance. Learning this skill helped me begin to make the right decisions. I don’t do this often enough anymore. I’m out of practice.
- “I try not to touch the small safety net I still have in the bank. It’s there for emergencies.”
- “I will not touch my 401(k) and other retirement accounts.”
- “I walk when I can, and if I have to drive, I combine several trips into one.” — Walking is an excellent way to save money.
- “I refuse to let my situation depress me.” — This is the right approach. I believe mental attitude is key.
Datko is facing some tough times, but by remaining positive, she’ll give herself a better chance to see opportunities when they arise. Though her writing tends to hyperbole (she moans that she is an “all-around kitchen slave at a local steak house” — give me a break), this is an interesting piece, and it addresses issues that many Americans face.
I’m fortunate to have never experienced Datko’s situation in my adult life. But I have friends who are in similar positions. Some of these people truly are poor. They feel poor, they act poor, and they believe it is their lot to suffer. Others actively seek opportunities to escape the situation. They work hard. They scrimp. They call upon their social network. In time, they’re able to regain their footing.
Barbara Ehrenreich’s Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America explores similar territory. Though I take issue with some of her methodology and conclusions, I think the book is a fascinating glimpse at a world many people never see. On a more practical note, I’m currently borrowing an earlier edition of James Steamer’s Wealth on Minimal Wage from the public library. Steamer’s book examines ways to build savings on minimal income.
(Final note: One must also wonder if it might not make sense to find alternate arrangements for her dogs. The dogs were responsible for her problems in Pennsylvania, and she complains about having to feed them now that she’s in a bad situation. Make no mistake: I am a devoted pet owner. But Datko’s three dogs are causing her woe!)
[MSN Money: I make $6.50 an hour. Am I poor?]

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January 11th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Sounds like this lady has essentially given up. If she was a managing editor for a sizable newspaper, she’s capable of more than $6.50 an hour…even if that requires a change of location to find the right job. Perhaps I’m making this too simple, but how hard is it to walk into a library and hit a job site to find a higher paying gig!?
I agree with JD on the pet issue. If she doesn’t have a place in her life for her dogs at the moment, perhaps one of her friends could keep them for a while to help get her back on her feet.
Some of these tales of woe are difficult to believe…if nothing else, just for the sheer lack of resources being used…heck, you can get $10 an hour doing landscape work.
January 11th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
We were discussing this on a message board I frequent. My opinion hasn’t changed, so I’m cross-posting here.
1. Who on earth gets fired for living in an RV? How would her boss even know? I think there’s something more here. Was she neglecting her personal hygiene due to her living situation? Why didn’t she board the dogs for a few months and rent a room until she was able to sort out her living situation. Hell, if I were her, I would have rented out the old house at a steep discount to someone who was willing to care for the dogs until the place sold so she could buy a new one at her new location. Then I would have rented a bedroom from someone in the new city in the interim.
2.Why is she working for minimum wage? She obviously has a computer, internet, and some typing/writing skills. Why doesn’t she freelance and do medical transcription from home.
3. Why doesn’t she get a room mate? That would pretty much halve her costs so she is able to afford better food and a luxury or two.
Yes. She is poor. But this is due to her choices - both past and present. I’m not knocking minimum wage jobs or people who work them - I’ve worked them as a teenager and once as a stopgap when I couldn’t get anything better. However, if you’re in a situation where you have to take food donations from people to get by, I think you’d best be reviewing your situation and trying to find ways to better it. It’s not the responsibility of the government to ensure companies pay you enough to live - move to a more socialist country if that’s how you feel. It’s your job as a labor resource to ensure that you develop the skills and experience that keep you in demand in your market so companies are willing to pay you more. That’s capitalism.
January 11th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Sounds like a sob story to get the “minimum” wage raise to pass. I’ll not get into that issue here but if you’re a teenager or have no skills, then the minimum is all you’re going to ever get.
Being single, there are many opportunites to move around the country. With the unemployment rate at essentially full employment, she could go anywhere in the country without having to uproot the family. Why stay in a small town with no future? Get outta there!
A managing editor sounds like a pretty prestigous position. What’s wrong with sending resumes around the country. I’m not buying the story.
The points made by JD are valid. Get rid of the dogs.
January 11th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Here’s another similar story: The life of a father of two who makes $338.
I’m neither for nor against the minimum wage. I think it serves a purpose, but that both sides of the political fence use it as a weapon. It’s too bad that everything in this country has to be debated with one-sided vitriol. Some rational discussion of poverty and low-wages would be awesome. Something nuanced and complex, just like the issue. But I hadn’t intended for this to be a discussion of minimum wage — I’m getting side-tracked. This is just about how tough it is to get by on low income…
January 11th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
I think she is doing fine. She has a house, dogs (though 3 sounds like much), and friends which is why I think she moved back to her home. She is 52 and apparently living alone. Sounds like she went through depression after losing her job and feeling like she had to leave her home just to be worthy. Now she is doing more and with writing the article is getting exposure (nice publicity trick). In the end she may not have a high powered job with an astronomical salary but she will be living where she wants to at a much lower cost than those of us in the areas with outlandish housing prices.
January 11th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
Having in-laws in Montana, I totally believe her story. It’s hard to make any kind of living above subsistence living there. It’s doubly hard living on meagre wages in this consumer culture, even if you live on those meagre wages voluntarily. I think she’s pretty smart to know not to touch her retirement funds, and that she has an emergency fund, and so, if she is content with her lifestyle, I wouldn’t necessarily call her poor; I would call her living simply.
January 11th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
My question is why she moved somewhere that didn’t have a lot of opportunity.
Of course she could come over here to Detroit and be jobless too…LOL
- Bryan
January 11th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Wanted to say something, but Lisa and Bill made all of the points I wanted to make when I read this “planted” story. Instead I’m going to say that this blog’s comment forum has the best posts I have ever seen.
January 11th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Well, they are a good source of protein…
A dog isn’t going to pay for your retirement, so perhaps she should have made alternate arrangements for her animals, then brought them with her later.
January 11th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
3 comments.
1st, it’s wrong for her boss to fire her for living in a campground. Either there is another explanation, or her boss is a completely classist.
2nd. This is a response to Lisa. Neither Karen or I or anyone else is a “labor resource.” I and Karen are people who can do work. “Labor Resource” is an economic clap-trap term and points out one of the issues of our society and country. if you view me as a “labor resource” you are not seeing me as a person.
3. “When I think about buying something, I think about how many hours I have to work to pay for it.” I started doing this automatically for some reason. Maybe it was just curiosity, but it makes LOTS of sense.
January 11th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
I agree with Lisa about the fact that this woman has made choices that are keeping her in “poverty.” I also find it hard to believe she really was fired for living in a campground…that just sounds too farfetched.
I did have a similar experience in my life, when a newsletter I was writing was cancelled by my publisher; they offered to keep me on but I wasn’t interested in the things they wanted me to write about so I chose to leave and try my hand as a freelance journalist. My first year of freelancing was a disaster — my income plummeted from $40,000 to less than $8,000. But it was my choice, so I didn’t complain. I ignored all the ruls of freelancing, especially the one that says you should have enough money saved up to live on for a year. I had no more than a couple thousand bucks in savings. I went deep into credit card debt just to buy groceries, pay my rent, and pay for electricity and heat. I did live frugally — I was fortunate enough to have a big vegetable garden next to the cottage I rented, so I was able to grow much of my food, and friends helped out by inviting me over for supper frequently. I also sold a few things to bring in some money, such as my 18′ kevlar canoe (which I still miss!) Eventually the freelancing paid off when I got a steady client who eventually hired me fulltime, and I’ve been doing that work ever since. But boy, that first year was tough.
January 11th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
This woman needs to start consulting. Sure, keep your day job. Have some money rolling in. But start doing consulting on the side. Instead of making $6.50 an hour, she could be making $35 or even $125. Even people fresh from journalism school often make $35 an hour as freelance writers and editors.
I make a living doing consulting full-time. But, for many, many people, it’s a great second income. One of my friends makes $20k a year on top of her job. She’s managed to save $75k for a downpayment on a home.
January 11th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
JD, you may not have intended it to be a minimum wage discussion, but the issue is soo polarizing that it happens anyway.
Funny thing is, I didn’t think of it as a min wage discussion until I read the comments. Originally I saw it more as a commentary on the “state of affairs” in Smalltown, USA.
I probably agree more with Lisa and Bill although I don’t think I would ever use the term “labor resource”. Of course I have an HR background so that probably lends itself to my view.
January 11th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
My general thought on the minimum wage is that if a company can’t afford to pay a dollar an hour more to its employees without going under, it has more problems than the minimum wage. That’s after watching several friends work for years for a little magazine shop that paid them poorly and was just barely staying afloat… but could have been doing much better with proper management.
But even so, poor is a matter of attitude. My father is actually quite happy these days… but I couldn’t survive for two weeks on what he makes in a month even if I scrimped and saved as best I could. He’s blessed with tolerances I don’t have and to live in an area that’s much kinder on the wallet than mine is… and since I live in a fairly lower-middle-income part of the country, that’s saying something.
I remember reading Nickel and Dimed, and I liked it a lot, but Ehrenreich lost me when she complained about drug testing because she wouldn’t have been able to pass one at the time. It really is hard to have sympathy for self-inflicted hardships.. but the life Datko has is one that many other people lead.
In Datko’s situation, it sounds like she’d be a good candidate for looking into saving some money with homesteading sort of techniques and some self-employment. Her pet-sitting business might well be enough to put food on her table if it’s even a little bit successful. The good thing about living in the middle of nowhere is that you aren’t bound by the same needs as in a big city. Consulting may not really be an option in Montana–or at least it wouldn’t for your average small-town Montana resident–but a small business certainly is.
January 11th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
I get the feeling she’s stuck in the muck and is uninspired. If I were her I’d be looking for something better, anything better.
Robert’s story simply illustrates why you need to get your ducks in a row before you have children. He also sounds pretty uninspired as well.
January 11th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
I have no sympathy because she felt it more important to keep her 3 dogs instead of move into a real place.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:09 am
Andrea wrote “Even people fresh from journalism school often make $35 an hour as freelance writers and editors.”
True, that’s the rate I started at when I was freelancing, but few freelancers get enough work to keep them busy for 40 hours a week. The surveys of freelancers that I’ve seen show that something like 80 percent of freelance writers earn less than $20,000/year. The other 20 percent are much more financially successful, many of them earning six-figure incomes, but that’s the exception rather than the rule.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:45 am
I think some of the comments about the dogs are a little unfair. She obviously loves her dogs a lot, and probably could not find a decent place to keep them for a while. It’s very easy to say that she should have “found someone”, but maybe there was no one. It’s also hard to find a place that lets you keep animals.
It’s also very easy to say “she should have found freelance work”. Again, this can be very hard to do. Maybe she did try. Trying and having it happen are two different things. It sounds like she’s had a long string of bad luck.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:13 am
It’s interesting that so many of the comments are saying something along the lines of ‘why did she move somewhere where there’s so little opportunity?’ when, when someone asks for advice about living in a city with a high cost of living, all the advice seems to be ‘move to a cheaper area’.
January 12th, 2007 at 6:22 am
Advice to move somewhere cheaper when you’re in New York or LA and advice to move somewhere with more opportunity when you’re in a small town with its own economic problems is consistent advice. Hell, it’s the *same* advice: Use your mobility to find the right market for your skills, aptitudes and preferences.
January 12th, 2007 at 6:37 am
Maybe labour resource was a bad choice of words - but however you put it, it is her responsibility to ensure she has the skills and experience appropriate to her market if she wishes to make higher than minimum wage. She chose to stay in Montana, an area that doesn’t have a large market for her chosen profession, thus she chooses to be financially poor.
January 12th, 2007 at 6:40 am
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January 12th, 2007 at 7:06 am
Those are some tremendously expensive dogs. I’d live at the poverty level rather than lose my kids, but not dogs.
January 12th, 2007 at 7:16 am
In what part of the country is $6.50 per hour the minimum wage? I thought Congress hadn’t gotten around to bumping it up yet.
Not much more I can add that wasn’t already said. “How did your boss know where you were living?” Don’t say, “‘Cause he’s my friend and we talk.” If he was your friend, you’d still have a job.
Give the dogs away if you have to, but ideally you could sell them. In that sort of situation, every bit of cash helps.
Beyond that, I’m generally libertarian in my views, so you can probably guess at my positions else-wise.
January 12th, 2007 at 7:22 am
I don’t fault her for keeping her dogs. If she had three small children no one would be suggesting that she put them up for adoption, would they?
The one thing that annoys me though: Why is she paying $70 for internet every month? How many hours does she have to work to afford that? There are many lower-cost or free options for getting on the internet. That would be $70 in her pocket right there!
Why do people refuse to “make the hard cuts” in tough situations like this? Like I said, I can see a justification for the dogs. But $70 for internet?! When you only make $6.50/hr!?! How does she justify it?!
Then again, I know a number of “poor” people that have much pricier cable packages and/or cell phone packages than I do. That $150 you spend on cable every month could be going into savings or paying down your debt!
Now the valuable lesson here is how precarious one’s middle-class existence may be. I know I will definitely be re-assessing my own emergency plan after reading this.
January 12th, 2007 at 7:57 am
I think anyone who loves dogs would realize that giving them away or selling them is not an option for a dog-lover. It really would be like giving away your kids; there’s no difference when you’re someone who loves animals.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:09 am
@Toby
You didn’t compare just kids to dogs, did you? If you view dogs and kids as being anywhere near the same thing, I sincerely hope that you don’t have children - for their sake.
She has made a choice to live at a near poverty level for her dogs. It’s that simple. If she is comfortable with that, fine.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:22 am
“It really would be like giving away your kids; there’s no difference when you’re someone who loves animals.”
So, if you had two kids and two dogs and you could only afford to keep two of them you’d probably give up the kids because they are more expensive, huh? Might as well, since they are “the same thing”.
January 12th, 2007 at 10:31 am
“So, if you had two kids and two dogs and you could only afford to keep two of them you’d probably give up the kids because they are more expensive, huh?”
I don’t want to prolong this off-topic debate (and I’m sorry I pushed it in the first place), but a choice like that would in fact be difficult for someone who understands dogs. With kids, you can sit them down and explain that they’ll have to go live with their grandparents for a while until you can get your finances back in order, but you can’t have that kind of conversation with a dog. For all the dog knows, it’s being punished by being sent away. I’ve seen dogs being taken away from their owners and it’s very traumatic for both parties.
Anyway, my point is that I can understand why this woman is willing to live in poverty rather than give up her dogs. As someone who used to work for a vet I’ve met a lot of people like that. I just think she should recognize that this is a choice she made rather than painting herself as a victim.
January 12th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Magest,
The Federal Minimum Wage is often preceded by a State Minimum Wage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_minimum_wages
Here in Nevada, we recently voted to increase the minimum wage because of the Fed’s reluctance to, until now.
Good question though.
January 13th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
Brad wrote:
“few freelancers get enough work to keep them busy for 40 hours a week. The surveys of freelancers that I’ve seen show that something like 80 percent of freelance writers earn less than $20,000/year.”
I was pitching consulting and freelancing as a second income for this woman. If she’s making $13k a year at her minimum wage job, even 15 hours of freelance work each month would increase her income by 50%. If she lives in a place where there are few jobs, making even an extra $7k a year would have a huge impact. If she worked 7 hours a week at $40 an hour for 11 months of the year, she’d be making more than she is at her current minimum wage job. If she worked both, she’d be making $27k a year.
Many freelance writers actually choose to work part-time. There are legions of writers among stay-at-home parents, semi-retired people, retired seniors and other groups. For many people, consulting is a serious side job that allows them to meet their goals. An extra $10k or $20k can have a huge impact.
As well, you don’t have to bill 40 hours a week to make a decent living as a freelance writer. $40 x 15 hours x 48 weeks will result in about 29k — about the same as you’d make in an entry-level career-oriented job. And that’s with 15 hours of billable time each week on $40 an hour for 48 weeks of the year. If you could bump that up to 18 hours, $50 an hour and 50 weeks, you’d make $45k. And many freelance writers charge more like $75 or $115 an hour, especially if they can focus on technical and business subjects.
Anyway, this is not to say that freelancing or consulting is for everyone. But it pains me to see people working at a retail store for $8 an hour when they could be making $80.
January 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
I think there are two kinds of people in this world. Those who view pets as disposable and those who believe once you take an animal into your home you’re committed to it for life.
Perhaps this lady has or is making mistakes in life, but I don’t think honoring a commitment to her animals is one.
And OF COURSE, if it was a choice between children and dogs, you’d give up the dogs first but only after you did everything you possibly could to keep your entire family together.
I’m always surprised at how judgemental people are in a country where we have no socialized health care system and the education required to get any job over $12 an hour requires a small fortune or half a lifetime of debt. Not everyone has the same opportunities but unfortunately everyone makes mistakes.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
I believe if you love something you have to be willing to let it go — I agree with others, find a place for your pets until you’re able to take care of yourself. One dog is a lot of work — let alone three.
Plus, she’s thinking negative — be thankful for what you do have. Have you checked out the temporary agencies? A lot of times those can lead to permanent positions. She has skills. Never stop believing.
January 15th, 2007 at 6:38 am
It sounds like a lot of people missed the point of the story. Maybe I understand it differently because I’ve been through it? I dunno. I didn’t find her to be negative at all, just realistic. The reality is sad and life is hard and finding a job-even with temp agencies and internet job boards (though in several years of being on them I can count on 1 hand the number of interviews I actually got out of them).
January 15th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Pets or no pets, Montana or elsewhere–this lady’s attitude is that of the victim. The underlying theme in the way she frames the situation is, “Why isn’t [my old employer, or my recent employer, or my town, or the steak restaurant, or anybody else] taking responsibility for my needs–AND those of my dependents? I perceive this as whining for the sake of manipulation, and I bristle at it. If a person can sell herself that well as a victim, why not use that faculty to sell herself as am employable, empowered adult? The answer’s in the payoff. Sheesh.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Focusing on whether she should or should not give up the dogs is the wrong direction to look, in my opinion.
Why did she decide to take on three dogs? having one dog is a major expense. Having three is worse. She freely made that choice.
Maybe now she feels that she has to abide by that choice, but that doesn’t make the original decision more just than a decision to buy better a car she couldn’t afford - she may be stuck with the car payments, but she’s the one who signed the dotted line.
Why did she decide not to save more money before getting fired? She freely made that choice, too.
I think it is important for people to bear the fruits of their past actions. I would be upset if the story ended with ‘and since she has three dogs, she got a tax rebate’.
The only alternative to ‘each person gets what he or she deserves’ is ‘injustice’. She made bad decisions, and took risks she shouldn’t have .Now the right thing is for her to live with the consequences, and for people to stop feeling pity for her and her ilk.
Social security nets are, or should be, for people who are overcome by fate. Not by their actions.
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October 25th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Karen Datko drives me nuts. Typical example of internet injustice. Anyone can be published if they make enough noise. Ignore everything this woman says. Obviously her financial advice on MSN has not brought wealth to her, why should anyone else listen. Riiight, it’s the interwebs were talking about here, where everyone’s an expert. Bah!