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		<title>By: Links for 20th Jan, 2007 &#187; The Bargain Queen blog</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/16/facing-and-fighting-financial-trolls/comment-page-1/#comment-85341</link>
		<dc:creator>Links for 20th Jan, 2007 &#187; The Bargain Queen blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 04:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facing and Fighting Financial Trolls How to deal with the people and thought patterns that stop you from becoming well-off. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott-Debt Relief Options</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/16/facing-and-fighting-financial-trolls/comment-page-1/#comment-81051</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott-Debt Relief Options</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you that debt problems are often a lifestyle problem and in order to reverse its course, you must learn discipline and responsibility.

Just like an alcoholic in AA, a debt problem can only be cured when someone decides they really want to cure it and are willing to incur the sacrifices to make it happen.

Help from a third party is only effective once you decide to help yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you that debt problems are often a lifestyle problem and in order to reverse its course, you must learn discipline and responsibility.</p>
<p>Just like an alcoholic in AA, a debt problem can only be cured when someone decides they really want to cure it and are willing to incur the sacrifices to make it happen.</p>
<p>Help from a third party is only effective once you decide to help yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to consider is that to some people, investing in the stock market seems unethical. I often see it advised on money-advice websites, but I personally would not feel comfortable participating in capitalism in this way.

I suppose peoples&#039; codes of ethics determine the kind of money habits they can adopt - to me, being frugal and conscientious in my spending and building up savings would be practices I would feel comfortable with. 

Having money is not a crime, it&#039;s just that one has to be scrupulous about how one accumulates it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to consider is that to some people, investing in the stock market seems unethical. I often see it advised on money-advice websites, but I personally would not feel comfortable participating in capitalism in this way.</p>
<p>I suppose peoples&#8217; codes of ethics determine the kind of money habits they can adopt &#8211; to me, being frugal and conscientious in my spending and building up savings would be practices I would feel comfortable with. </p>
<p>Having money is not a crime, it&#8217;s just that one has to be scrupulous about how one accumulates it.</p>
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		<title>By: Links for 20th Jan, 2006 &#187; The Bargain Queen</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/16/facing-and-fighting-financial-trolls/comment-page-1/#comment-47771</link>
		<dc:creator>Links for 20th Jan, 2006 &#187; The Bargain Queen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: VinTek</title>
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		<dc:creator>VinTek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD,

An excellent post, reminding us that the greatest obstacle to our goals is often ourselves.

As for the folks who reject a savings mentality, it doesn&#039;t really bother me.  I figure that financial Darwinism will eventually take its natural course with such individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD,</p>
<p>An excellent post, reminding us that the greatest obstacle to our goals is often ourselves.</p>
<p>As for the folks who reject a savings mentality, it doesn&#8217;t really bother me.  I figure that financial Darwinism will eventually take its natural course with such individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxx Stiles</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/16/facing-and-fighting-financial-trolls/comment-page-1/#comment-46353</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxx Stiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your wisdom. I learn so much from your web site and I check it every day.
Smash the TROLLS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your wisdom. I learn so much from your web site and I check it every day.<br />
Smash the TROLLS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mlh-- I&#039;ve encountered that kind of reaction from time to time, and it is frustrating. What many of these people don&#039;t realize is that, by rejecting a savings mentality (at its extreme, &quot;arch-capitalism&quot;), they are embracing a spending mentality which is pretty much a (hyper-)consumerist mentality.  They may disdain people who spend money on Lexus cars and mink coats, but spending money on coffee, piercings, CDs, and other &quot;alternative culture&quot; goodies is still an act of consumerism.  I find it amazing that many of the alternative types don&#039;t get that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mlh&#8211; I&#8217;ve encountered that kind of reaction from time to time, and it is frustrating. What many of these people don&#8217;t realize is that, by rejecting a savings mentality (at its extreme, &#8220;arch-capitalism&#8221;), they are embracing a spending mentality which is pretty much a (hyper-)consumerist mentality.  They may disdain people who spend money on Lexus cars and mink coats, but spending money on coffee, piercings, CDs, and other &#8220;alternative culture&#8221; goodies is still an act of consumerism.  I find it amazing that many of the alternative types don&#8217;t get that.</p>
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		<title>By: mjh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in a social circle that is populated by hippies, punks and diverse shades of activist. I was telling a friend about how I&#039;ve worked to establish good money practice and knowledge, and his reaction was that I was becoming an arch-capitalist.

Yep, to this guy, saving my fifty dollars each week implied an erosion of my ethics and social conscience. I couldn&#039;t be bothered arguing with such a close-minded and bigoted person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in a social circle that is populated by hippies, punks and diverse shades of activist. I was telling a friend about how I&#8217;ve worked to establish good money practice and knowledge, and his reaction was that I was becoming an arch-capitalist.</p>
<p>Yep, to this guy, saving my fifty dollars each week implied an erosion of my ethics and social conscience. I couldn&#8217;t be bothered arguing with such a close-minded and bigoted person.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Portland</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Portland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the troll concept.  It is a metaphor that is easy to relate to.  And one that we can bring forward in our minds when we are crossing a financial bridge.  Our spending habits are inextricably tied to our images of ourselves.  The &quot;internal&quot; trolls are always with us and can be extremely difficult to cleanse from our psyches.  If you are constantly struggling with internal trolls, I strongly recommend spending money on a psychologist, therapist, or coach before spending money on accountants and other financial professionals.  First things first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the troll concept.  It is a metaphor that is easy to relate to.  And one that we can bring forward in our minds when we are crossing a financial bridge.  Our spending habits are inextricably tied to our images of ourselves.  The &#8220;internal&#8221; trolls are always with us and can be extremely difficult to cleanse from our psyches.  If you are constantly struggling with internal trolls, I strongly recommend spending money on a psychologist, therapist, or coach before spending money on accountants and other financial professionals.  First things first.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/16/facing-and-fighting-financial-trolls/comment-page-1/#comment-46223</link>
		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that everyone will have a different set of internal and external trolls, and the nature of these forces will change throughout a person&#039;s lifetime.

For me, the external trolls are not naysayers in my attempts to save and be frugal, but rather are people who do not &quot;get&quot; what I&#039;m trying to do.  And it&#039;s not like they&#039;re trying to figure me out, either--it&#039;s just that they haven&#039;t put the pieces of my lifestyle together.

One of my friends, for example, eats out a lot. He calls at least a couple of times per week to see if I&#039;d like to go downtown and have sushi, etc.  I go once in a while, if the expense fits my budget, but much of time I decline, saying that it would be best if I ate at home, as I&#039;m trying to be careful about money.  His response often is something like, &quot;Well, we don&#039;t have to do sushi; we can go for Thai instead.&quot;

I guess some people don&#039;t feel like they&#039;re prosperous unless they&#039;re able to spend their discretionary income. In the case of this friend of mine, there&#039;s a lack of understanding of the future potential of wealth and money saved. In fact, he even has a modest IRA from a previous employer (~10 years ago), but he hasn&#039;t done anything to track this account down and &quot;take possession&quot; of it.  It merely exists somewhere.  I couldn&#039;t imagine having such a casual attitude toward my earnings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that everyone will have a different set of internal and external trolls, and the nature of these forces will change throughout a person&#8217;s lifetime.</p>
<p>For me, the external trolls are not naysayers in my attempts to save and be frugal, but rather are people who do not &#8220;get&#8221; what I&#8217;m trying to do.  And it&#8217;s not like they&#8217;re trying to figure me out, either&#8211;it&#8217;s just that they haven&#8217;t put the pieces of my lifestyle together.</p>
<p>One of my friends, for example, eats out a lot. He calls at least a couple of times per week to see if I&#8217;d like to go downtown and have sushi, etc.  I go once in a while, if the expense fits my budget, but much of time I decline, saying that it would be best if I ate at home, as I&#8217;m trying to be careful about money.  His response often is something like, &#8220;Well, we don&#8217;t have to do sushi; we can go for Thai instead.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess some people don&#8217;t feel like they&#8217;re prosperous unless they&#8217;re able to spend their discretionary income. In the case of this friend of mine, there&#8217;s a lack of understanding of the future potential of wealth and money saved. In fact, he even has a modest IRA from a previous employer (~10 years ago), but he hasn&#8217;t done anything to track this account down and &#8220;take possession&#8221; of it.  It merely exists somewhere.  I couldn&#8217;t imagine having such a casual attitude toward my earnings!</p>
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		<title>By: WH</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/16/facing-and-fighting-financial-trolls/comment-page-1/#comment-46216</link>
		<dc:creator>WH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I really like the names &quot;internal&quot; and &quot;external trolls&quot;! Next, sorry to hear about the externals, hope I never get one! And lastly, I&#039;m not sure I agree with your Rationalization troll. I find that I&#039;m less likely to break my savings diet for quite some time when I treat myself occasionally...it keeps me from what I like to call the &quot;Saver&#039;s Blues.&quot; Really lastly, the scope of your blog is indeed impressive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I really like the names &#8220;internal&#8221; and &#8220;external trolls&#8221;! Next, sorry to hear about the externals, hope I never get one! And lastly, I&#8217;m not sure I agree with your Rationalization troll. I find that I&#8217;m less likely to break my savings diet for quite some time when I treat myself occasionally&#8230;it keeps me from what I like to call the &#8220;Saver&#8217;s Blues.&#8221; Really lastly, the scope of your blog is indeed impressive!</p>
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		<title>By: English Major</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/16/facing-and-fighting-financial-trolls/comment-page-1/#comment-46209</link>
		<dc:creator>English Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa--I totally &lt;a href=&quot;http://englishmajormoney.blogspot.com/2007/01/overcoming-barriers-to-financial-sanity.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;just wrote about this&lt;/a&gt;.  I spent yesterday helping my boyfriend sort out his finances, and came to the conclusion that the biggest deterrent to dealing actively with one&#039;s finances is the fear of feeling scared, confused, and doomed.  &quot;Internal troll&quot; is a great phrase--thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa&#8211;I totally <a href="http://englishmajormoney.blogspot.com/2007/01/overcoming-barriers-to-financial-sanity.html" rel="nofollow">just wrote about this</a>.  I spent yesterday helping my boyfriend sort out his finances, and came to the conclusion that the biggest deterrent to dealing actively with one&#8217;s finances is the fear of feeling scared, confused, and doomed.  &#8220;Internal troll&#8221; is a great phrase&#8211;thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can be difficult to deal with external trolls when they are... *cough*inlaws*cough*... I didn&#039;t say a thing ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be difficult to deal with external trolls when they are&#8230; *cough*inlaws*cough*&#8230; I didn&#8217;t say a thing <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Monika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and thanks for maintaining this blog! My biggest financial troll has been procrastination, but I&#039;ve finally kicked its butt. It feels great! I read your blog to keep me motivated, so thanks again! I&#039;m sure you know this but comments like that criticism you got about the &quot;privileged&quot; are so misguided. My parents were VERY poor. I watched them struggle; risk everything by immigrating to a new country and working incredibly hard to better our lives. I work just as hard driven by their example and am happy to have achieved some success already, although I&#039;m still working on achieving further goals. I know that there are countless people like me who paid for school tuition with loans, had nothing handed to them. We work for success and  financial health to test our abilities and to help our current and future families. Greed and privilege have nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and thanks for maintaining this blog! My biggest financial troll has been procrastination, but I&#8217;ve finally kicked its butt. It feels great! I read your blog to keep me motivated, so thanks again! I&#8217;m sure you know this but comments like that criticism you got about the &#8220;privileged&#8221; are so misguided. My parents were VERY poor. I watched them struggle; risk everything by immigrating to a new country and working incredibly hard to better our lives. I work just as hard driven by their example and am happy to have achieved some success already, although I&#8217;m still working on achieving further goals. I know that there are countless people like me who paid for school tuition with loans, had nothing handed to them. We work for success and  financial health to test our abilities and to help our current and future families. Greed and privilege have nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that sometimes it can be hard to deal with external trolls when they reinforce the internal ones. Like when an external troll tells you that something can&#039;t be done and this reinforces your own self-defeating thoughts. 

There&#039;s also seems to be a slight implicit assumption that external trolls are not actually people that you know in the real world. I mean the basic tactic of ignoring is the same but its quite a bit harder, especially if you can only ignore the behaviour not the person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that sometimes it can be hard to deal with external trolls when they reinforce the internal ones. Like when an external troll tells you that something can&#8217;t be done and this reinforces your own self-defeating thoughts. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also seems to be a slight implicit assumption that external trolls are not actually people that you know in the real world. I mean the basic tactic of ignoring is the same but its quite a bit harder, especially if you can only ignore the behaviour not the person.</p>
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		<title>By: ispf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ispf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! Just wanted to say, I like this blog for the wide coverage of the topics ranging all the way from hard core money matters to personal development. In my personal war on the trolls, I find blogs like these are great allies! Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! Just wanted to say, I like this blog for the wide coverage of the topics ranging all the way from hard core money matters to personal development. In my personal war on the trolls, I find blogs like these are great allies! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice. I have a little troll that posts on my blog every now and then. Whenever I post about some new frugal habit that I&#039;m trying to implement, he comes by and tells me I&#039;m not being frugal enough and that if I really want to be frugal I need to what he does. At first it really bothered me. Now I just ignore and laugh it off. I&#039;m not going to let some anonymous commenter get me down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice. I have a little troll that posts on my blog every now and then. Whenever I post about some new frugal habit that I&#8217;m trying to implement, he comes by and tells me I&#8217;m not being frugal enough and that if I really want to be frugal I need to what he does. At first it really bothered me. Now I just ignore and laugh it off. I&#8217;m not going to let some anonymous commenter get me down.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Gran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane Gran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we often say in the business, this is why it is called *personal* finance.  I&#039;ve seen before (and cannot locate an electronic copy at the moment) a list of 100 reasons not to invest in the stock market.  It lists some sort of geopolitical mess or ripple in the markets for years 1905 through 2005 -- every single year.

However, looking back you can see how many of the fears didn&#039;t pan out.  Who among us feels pangs of anxiety about Russia leapfrogging us in space exploration with the launching of Sputnik?  Back in 1957 many people were anxious and it was reason enough for many to doubt the future of western capitalism, and by extension the free market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we often say in the business, this is why it is called *personal* finance.  I&#8217;ve seen before (and cannot locate an electronic copy at the moment) a list of 100 reasons not to invest in the stock market.  It lists some sort of geopolitical mess or ripple in the markets for years 1905 through 2005 &#8212; every single year.</p>
<p>However, looking back you can see how many of the fears didn&#8217;t pan out.  Who among us feels pangs of anxiety about Russia leapfrogging us in space exploration with the launching of Sputnik?  Back in 1957 many people were anxious and it was reason enough for many to doubt the future of western capitalism, and by extension the free market.</p>
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