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		<title>By: Questions And Answers About Debt Reduction - Should I Cash Out My 401(k) To Pay Off Debt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Questions And Answers About Debt Reduction - Should I Cash Out My 401(k) To Pay Off Debt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/31/three-popular-but-dumb-money-moves/#comment-66790</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were saving around $1500 a month and hadn't planned on buying a house. We were going to pay cash for a better car once we had enough. Until we found the perfect house. We consulted a realtor we knew personally and a lender he trusted. We got a 100% financed mortgage, which I was wary of, but which is still affordable. Meanwhile, all the money we saved for the "down payment" went into moving expenses, furniture, etc. We re-budgeted and discovered we could still save just under half of what we were saving before we took on the expense and still make extra-large payments on my student loan. 

After all that, I was surprised last month with a mid-year raise. It's really an adventure when you are saving money. Now we only have two debts; the mortgage and my student loan (luckily my wife got one of those "free rides" everyone talks about) We pay cash for her grad school tuition. 

I consider myself lucky that we are not wealthy and we are able to live comfortably. The trick is if you marry someone who is ultra-budget-conscious, do whatever she says! It will pay off in two or three years... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were saving around $1500 a month and hadn&#8217;t planned on buying a house. We were going to pay cash for a better car once we had enough. Until we found the perfect house. We consulted a realtor we knew personally and a lender he trusted. We got a 100% financed mortgage, which I was wary of, but which is still affordable. Meanwhile, all the money we saved for the &#8220;down payment&#8221; went into moving expenses, furniture, etc. We re-budgeted and discovered we could still save just under half of what we were saving before we took on the expense and still make extra-large payments on my student loan. </p>
<p>After all that, I was surprised last month with a mid-year raise. It&#8217;s really an adventure when you are saving money. Now we only have two debts; the mortgage and my student loan (luckily my wife got one of those &#8220;free rides&#8221; everyone talks about) We pay cash for her grad school tuition. </p>
<p>I consider myself lucky that we are not wealthy and we are able to live comfortably. The trick is if you marry someone who is ultra-budget-conscious, do whatever she says! It will pay off in two or three years&#8230; <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kim Siever</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/31/three-popular-but-dumb-money-moves/#comment-60723</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FTR, my housing payments are 14% of my gross and 19% of my net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FTR, my housing payments are 14% of my gross and 19% of my net.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Siever</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/31/three-popular-but-dumb-money-moves/#comment-60716</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We purchased our first house a year ago for only $75,000. Luckily it was all we could afford. Our housing payments, including property taxes, are less per month than the rent we paid at our previous place. Plus, we bought before the recent real estate boom in our city, and I estimate the value of our house has doubled (considering the price of an average house locally by the end of this year will be over $200,000).

The house is only 798 sq ft, which is pretty small for our family of five. we manage though and when our term is up in four years, we will be able to use the equity to not only pay off our mortgage, but have enough to pay a very substantial down payment on a much bigger house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We purchased our first house a year ago for only $75,000. Luckily it was all we could afford. Our housing payments, including property taxes, are less per month than the rent we paid at our previous place. Plus, we bought before the recent real estate boom in our city, and I estimate the value of our house has doubled (considering the price of an average house locally by the end of this year will be over $200,000).</p>
<p>The house is only 798 sq ft, which is pretty small for our family of five. we manage though and when our term is up in four years, we will be able to use the equity to not only pay off our mortgage, but have enough to pay a very substantial down payment on a much bigger house.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what I call creepy math. Where I live and work, I can't rent an apartment OR buy a home for less than 28% of my  monthly income. 

Not only does this condition make saving for a downpayment difficult, but even with a healthy downpayment, at many banks I can't qualify for a mortgage that would result in monthly payments hundreds of dollars lower than my rent has been every month for the last decade.

The best I can do is use my modest apartment as a work space and claim a portion of the rent for a tax benefit, concentrate on retirement savings, and prepare to skip town for a more affordable metropolis so I can actually have some breathing room someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I call creepy math. Where I live and work, I can&#8217;t rent an apartment OR buy a home for less than 28% of my  monthly income. </p>
<p>Not only does this condition make saving for a downpayment difficult, but even with a healthy downpayment, at many banks I can&#8217;t qualify for a mortgage that would result in monthly payments hundreds of dollars lower than my rent has been every month for the last decade.</p>
<p>The best I can do is use my modest apartment as a work space and claim a portion of the rent for a tax benefit, concentrate on retirement savings, and prepare to skip town for a more affordable metropolis so I can actually have some breathing room someday.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/31/three-popular-but-dumb-money-moves/#comment-59664</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to keep in mind is that in many "hot" parts of the country, you simply cannot buy a house with a mortgage that's under 25% of your monthly income. Maybe it's better to rent in those areas, but if you want to buy a home, good luck. And trading a huge commute with its associated expenses for a more expensive home is only fooling yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to keep in mind is that in many &#8220;hot&#8221; parts of the country, you simply cannot buy a house with a mortgage that&#8217;s under 25% of your monthly income. Maybe it&#8217;s better to rent in those areas, but if you want to buy a home, good luck. And trading a huge commute with its associated expenses for a more expensive home is only fooling yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazy Man and Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazy Man and Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first one is kind of a bait and switch.  The idea itself is not bad.  It's the lack of follow-through with something entirely unrelated that's that problem.  Consider the alternative of continuing to  build up credit card debt at enormous rates.  This advice really boils down to "don't live on credit" which is obviously a good idea.

As for your family-owned company's profit-sharing plan, that's really odd.  I don't know of anyone that's ever cashed out their 401k plan when they moved their job.  It makes me wonder if there's a difference between your profit-sharing and a 401k.  Perhaps people are not educated in the consequences.  Or perhaps people fear that if they don't pull the money out of the plan now, it could disappear if the company goes out of business.  Or perhaps people are worried that it could disappear like  many companies' pension plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first one is kind of a bait and switch.  The idea itself is not bad.  It&#8217;s the lack of follow-through with something entirely unrelated that&#8217;s that problem.  Consider the alternative of continuing to  build up credit card debt at enormous rates.  This advice really boils down to &#8220;don&#8217;t live on credit&#8221; which is obviously a good idea.</p>
<p>As for your family-owned company&#8217;s profit-sharing plan, that&#8217;s really odd.  I don&#8217;t know of anyone that&#8217;s ever cashed out their 401k plan when they moved their job.  It makes me wonder if there&#8217;s a difference between your profit-sharing and a 401k.  Perhaps people are not educated in the consequences.  Or perhaps people fear that if they don&#8217;t pull the money out of the plan now, it could disappear if the company goes out of business.  Or perhaps people are worried that it could disappear like  many companies&#8217; pension plans.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kew</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Kew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When an employee leaves the company, she may cash out the portion in which she is vested. To date, every employee who has left us has done this.&lt;/i&gt;

That's pretty alarming.

Along similar lines: I find it boggling that people treat tax refunds as "free money" to blow on a car, a holiday, or whatever.

A big refund may be a nice surprise, but what it really means is that you've been managing your money badly: you've been overpaying the IRS, and now they're giving it back with no interest paid. Better to adjust your withholdings and save the surplus into something that'll actually give you a return on your investment, no?

And as for "refund anticipation loans": *boggle*. Now you're paying interest on money &lt;i&gt;which was yours to begin with&lt;/i&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When an employee leaves the company, she may cash out the portion in which she is vested. To date, every employee who has left us has done this.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty alarming.</p>
<p>Along similar lines: I find it boggling that people treat tax refunds as &#8220;free money&#8221; to blow on a car, a holiday, or whatever.</p>
<p>A big refund may be a nice surprise, but what it really means is that you&#8217;ve been managing your money badly: you&#8217;ve been overpaying the IRS, and now they&#8217;re giving it back with no interest paid. Better to adjust your withholdings and save the surplus into something that&#8217;ll actually give you a return on your investment, no?</p>
<p>And as for &#8220;refund anticipation loans&#8221;: *boggle*. Now you&#8217;re paying interest on money <i>which was yours to begin with</i>!</p>
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		<title>By: Exurban Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exurban Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks MM!</description>
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		<title>By: mapgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mapgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link JD! I firmly believe that a person has to be ready for the responsibility first and foremost, otherwise the headaches of homeownership will get in the way of enjoyment. (Life isn't always about the money!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link JD! I firmly believe that a person has to be ready for the responsibility first and foremost, otherwise the headaches of homeownership will get in the way of enjoyment. (Life isn&#8217;t always about the money!)</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding cashing out your retirement, there's one situation where this might make sense: using a Roth IRA toward a first-time home purchase. I have two small (around $5,000 each) Roth IRAs that I can't contribute to anymore because I moved permanently to another country. I'm planning to cash out both of those to help with the downpayment on my first home. You can use a Roth IRA for this purpose with no penalty, and you don't need to pay it back. And according to the IRS, your first home can be anywhere (in my case, Canada). If my IRAs were more substantial I'd probably leave them alone, but these two small ones are not growing much and represent onlly a small percentage of my total retirement savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding cashing out your retirement, there&#8217;s one situation where this might make sense: using a Roth IRA toward a first-time home purchase. I have two small (around $5,000 each) Roth IRAs that I can&#8217;t contribute to anymore because I moved permanently to another country. I&#8217;m planning to cash out both of those to help with the downpayment on my first home. You can use a Roth IRA for this purpose with no penalty, and you don&#8217;t need to pay it back. And according to the IRS, your first home can be anywhere (in my case, Canada). If my IRAs were more substantial I&#8217;d probably leave them alone, but these two small ones are not growing much and represent onlly a small percentage of my total retirement savings.</p>
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		<title>By: William Mize</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Mize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't brag much about my financial acumen, but I'm very proud to say that I'm zero for three on this one.

The one that scares me the most is the home equity line. The thought of losing my house just to buy a new sink or pay off credit card debt makes me break into cold sweats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t brag much about my financial acumen, but I&#8217;m very proud to say that I&#8217;m zero for three on this one.</p>
<p>The one that scares me the most is the home equity line. The thought of losing my house just to buy a new sink or pay off credit card debt makes me break into cold sweats.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exurban Jon - Congrats on paying off your debts this month!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exurban Jon - Congrats on paying off your debts this month!</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our housing expense (15 year fixed- principal, interest, taxes, and insurance) is at 17% of our pretax income (base pay, not counting overtime or bonuses, etc).  25-33% is just too high - there is no way we could afford retirement investments if we doubled our home expenses!  And this means we also get to keep less in our emergency savings, which equals more money to invest or spend. It's really not that hard to do - spend just a little bit less on your mortgage and you'll reap tons of savings in insurance rates and taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our housing expense (15 year fixed- principal, interest, taxes, and insurance) is at 17% of our pretax income (base pay, not counting overtime or bonuses, etc).  25-33% is just too high - there is no way we could afford retirement investments if we doubled our home expenses!  And this means we also get to keep less in our emergency savings, which equals more money to invest or spend. It&#8217;s really not that hard to do - spend just a little bit less on your mortgage and you&#8217;ll reap tons of savings in insurance rates and taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Exurban Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exurban Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our mortgage is at 13% of our gross income and 20% of our net (after savings, giving, etc.). We've been concentrating all our funds at our debt which, thankfully, we just finished paying off this month.

(Thanks to Get Rich Slowly for keeping me on the straight and narrow!)

Now my wife and I are trying to pay off our current house or move to something a little nicer. I'm torn, but I'll enjoy my low mortgage in the meantime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our mortgage is at 13% of our gross income and 20% of our net (after savings, giving, etc.). We&#8217;ve been concentrating all our funds at our debt which, thankfully, we just finished paying off this month.</p>
<p>(Thanks to Get Rich Slowly for keeping me on the straight and narrow!)</p>
<p>Now my wife and I are trying to pay off our current house or move to something a little nicer. I&#8217;m torn, but I&#8217;ll enjoy my low mortgage in the meantime!</p>
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