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	<title>Comments on: Sometimes a Cheap Meal is Expensive</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JohnK</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-87526</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 17:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It usually does cost alot more to eat out, but sometimes it is worth it.  Many places serve more than one person can eat in one meal.  Look for places that will "split" the serving with two plates.  Some do this for free, others will split a large sandwich on two plates with a full serving of chips or other sides for only a small extra charge.  This way, you can have your cake and eat it too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It usually does cost alot more to eat out, but sometimes it is worth it.  Many places serve more than one person can eat in one meal.  Look for places that will &#8220;split&#8221; the serving with two plates.  Some do this for free, others will split a large sandwich on two plates with a full serving of chips or other sides for only a small extra charge.  This way, you can have your cake and eat it too!</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-87523</link>
		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another possible moral. . . 

Lots of nutritionists recommend that you carry a snack with you so you never get starving. It keeps you from unhealthy food binges. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another possible moral. . . </p>
<p>Lots of nutritionists recommend that you carry a snack with you so you never get starving. It keeps you from unhealthy food binges. . .</p>
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		<title>By: vince</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80160</link>
		<dc:creator>vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to look on the bright side. So it cost you $20 to learn something, you learned you never have to go back there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to look on the bright side. So it cost you $20 to learn something, you learned you never have to go back there.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80125</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow!  I live in portland too!  Didn't know the bomber was so bad.  I haven't been there since the movie Memphis Belle came out- we visited the bomber just because.

I find that eating fish in Portland at a restaurant is often cheaper than buying the fish at the store, then the ingredients, and cooking it all yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow!  I live in portland too!  Didn&#8217;t know the bomber was so bad.  I haven&#8217;t been there since the movie Memphis Belle came out- we visited the bomber just because.</p>
<p>I find that eating fish in Portland at a restaurant is often cheaper than buying the fish at the store, then the ingredients, and cooking it all yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Any Penny</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80124</link>
		<dc:creator>Any Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may feel better by considering that was a nice family outing: "being together", "sharing ideas"...

A few tips to eat well at fast food from my family experience:

1. Don't finish your plate. (The $3 dirt cheap meal Cindy mentioned above can be splited to two)
2. Water for drink, not soda.
3. Enjoy time saved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may feel better by considering that was a nice family outing: &#8220;being together&#8221;, &#8220;sharing ideas&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>A few tips to eat well at fast food from my family experience:</p>
<p>1. Don&#8217;t finish your plate. (The $3 dirt cheap meal Cindy mentioned above can be splited to two)<br />
2. Water for drink, not soda.<br />
3. Enjoy time saved.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Canaday</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80111</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Canaday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I eat vegetarian style (it's not a religion, but a dietary choice suitable for occasional breakage) at regular restaurants. 

That means we are usually eating the least expensive items (French fries, side salad, soup, etc) on the menu simply to stave off hunger until we can get home to some REAL food.

At home, we can eat like royalty for less than $1.00 per meal.

Think not? Whip up the Mushroom and Barley soup from the recipe found at http://harvesteating.com and serve with a dark bread and soft beverage. In Detroit, the ingredients cost about $2.00 and will make about 6 servings. Beverage, bread and fresh fruit completes the picture. Good for your health, too. If you like wine or beer, a robust glass of it with your meal would only double the price ... still a bargain.

The slow-cooker is your friend. I almost always have something simmering in mine. Something cheap, nutritious, filling and tasty.

My wife and I may eat while we are out ... but we almost never leave the house just for the sake of eating at a restaurant.

Another thought that works for us is to entertain 'home style' rather than meeting friends at restaurants. The food is better at our place, the waitress is in no hurry to clear the table, the guy in the booth behind doesn't want to discuss the fungus on his toenail and the women at the table 3 feet away aren't asking for an ashtray in their no-smoking seats. Plus, we end up with someone interesting to talk with and get to know better.

In turn, we find that the friends tend to invite us to their homes, too. That gives my wife and I TWO nights out for about what we'd pay for a single meal for ourselves.

If you're trying to live the frugal life, "restaurants = bad, home-cooking = good".

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I eat vegetarian style (it&#8217;s not a religion, but a dietary choice suitable for occasional breakage) at regular restaurants. </p>
<p>That means we are usually eating the least expensive items (French fries, side salad, soup, etc) on the menu simply to stave off hunger until we can get home to some REAL food.</p>
<p>At home, we can eat like royalty for less than $1.00 per meal.</p>
<p>Think not? Whip up the Mushroom and Barley soup from the recipe found at <a href="http://harvesteating.com" rel="nofollow">http://harvesteating.com</a> and serve with a dark bread and soft beverage. In Detroit, the ingredients cost about $2.00 and will make about 6 servings. Beverage, bread and fresh fruit completes the picture. Good for your health, too. If you like wine or beer, a robust glass of it with your meal would only double the price &#8230; still a bargain.</p>
<p>The slow-cooker is your friend. I almost always have something simmering in mine. Something cheap, nutritious, filling and tasty.</p>
<p>My wife and I may eat while we are out &#8230; but we almost never leave the house just for the sake of eating at a restaurant.</p>
<p>Another thought that works for us is to entertain &#8216;home style&#8217; rather than meeting friends at restaurants. The food is better at our place, the waitress is in no hurry to clear the table, the guy in the booth behind doesn&#8217;t want to discuss the fungus on his toenail and the women at the table 3 feet away aren&#8217;t asking for an ashtray in their no-smoking seats. Plus, we end up with someone interesting to talk with and get to know better.</p>
<p>In turn, we find that the friends tend to invite us to their homes, too. That gives my wife and I TWO nights out for about what we&#8217;d pay for a single meal for ourselves.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re trying to live the frugal life, &#8220;restaurants = bad, home-cooking = good&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Greg C</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80110</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work in a restaurant. My mother, father, and step-father were all chefs. And my other father owns a small Thai food deli.

So I really like good food. I would rather eat-out once a year at a nice place than every day at cheap places. unfortunately, my wife is the opposite and likes really bad food. I can't even make "good food" at home because no one will eat it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work in a restaurant. My mother, father, and step-father were all chefs. And my other father owns a small Thai food deli.</p>
<p>So I really like good food. I would rather eat-out once a year at a nice place than every day at cheap places. unfortunately, my wife is the opposite and likes really bad food. I can&#8217;t even make &#8220;good food&#8221; at home because no one will eat it.</p>
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		<title>By: UncleOxidant</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80109</link>
		<dc:creator>UncleOxidant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Portlander here.  I've lived in the Portland Metro area (west side) for almost 20 years and I've never even heard of The Bomber restuarant.  Seems that I haven't missed anything, though.  

There are so many good places to eat here that it's surprising that a place like that can survive - but it's probably the airplane gimmick that keeps it going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Portlander here.  I&#8217;ve lived in the Portland Metro area (west side) for almost 20 years and I&#8217;ve never even heard of The Bomber restuarant.  Seems that I haven&#8217;t missed anything, though.  </p>
<p>There are so many good places to eat here that it&#8217;s surprising that a place like that can survive - but it&#8217;s probably the airplane gimmick that keeps it going.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Park</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80092</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that the real moral of the story is to have patience.  In trying to avoid a 10-minute wait, you burned up over an hour, had a bad meal, and may have also paid more than if you'd just waited at the Thai restaurant.  It wasn't the "cheap lunch" that was expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the real moral of the story is to have patience.  In trying to avoid a 10-minute wait, you burned up over an hour, had a bad meal, and may have also paid more than if you&#8217;d just waited at the Thai restaurant.  It wasn&#8217;t the &#8220;cheap lunch&#8221; that was expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80082</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha ha -- man, I bet a lot of people can relate to that story.  I can totally imagine:  the blood-sugar lows, the annoyance of long line ups, the disappointment of not getting the restaurant you'd all been anticipating, and then the dismal realization of money spent on rubber meat.    May karma soon bring you a dinner of succulent meat, finely aged wine and cheese from France.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha ha &#8212; man, I bet a lot of people can relate to that story.  I can totally imagine:  the blood-sugar lows, the annoyance of long line ups, the disappointment of not getting the restaurant you&#8217;d all been anticipating, and then the dismal realization of money spent on rubber meat.    May karma soon bring you a dinner of succulent meat, finely aged wine and cheese from France.  <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80079</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir,

The Bomber? The Bomber? Arghhhhh. 

Where is this new Thai place?

I did see a new Thai place called the Thai Frog behind The Ranch Tavern, but I don't think that is the one you are talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir,</p>
<p>The Bomber? The Bomber? Arghhhhh. </p>
<p>Where is this new Thai place?</p>
<p>I did see a new Thai place called the Thai Frog behind The Ranch Tavern, but I don&#8217;t think that is the one you are talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80076</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, lots of Portlanders here.. I've never even heard of The Bomber, but apparently I don't really need to try it out.

For future reference: http://portland.citysearch.com/find/section/portland/restaurants.html
Enter your address and you can get a list of places, by category, and their distance from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, lots of Portlanders here.. I&#8217;ve never even heard of The Bomber, but apparently I don&#8217;t really need to try it out.</p>
<p>For future reference: <a href="http://portland.citysearch.com/find/section/portland/restaurants.html" rel="nofollow">http://portland.citysearch.com/find/section/portland/restaurants.html</a><br />
Enter your address and you can get a list of places, by category, and their distance from you.</p>
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		<title>By: MizD</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80074</link>
		<dc:creator>MizD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Marc said.  Or head North to Sellwood.  Lots of great places here, and some of them are surprisingly cheap or... wait a sec... no Chang's Mongolian Grill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Marc said.  Or head North to Sellwood.  Lots of great places here, and some of them are surprisingly cheap or&#8230; wait a sec&#8230; no Chang&#8217;s Mongolian Grill?</p>
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		<title>By: Elissa</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80073</link>
		<dc:creator>Elissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, you guys must have been HUNGRY if you couldn't wait 10 to 15 minutes ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, you guys must have been HUNGRY if you couldn&#8217;t wait 10 to 15 minutes <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD - You should have headed for downtown Milwaukie and stopped at Mike's Drive In or Pietro's dude.  I can't believe you actually went to the bomber!

Marc 
West Linn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD - You should have headed for downtown Milwaukie and stopped at Mike&#8217;s Drive In or Pietro&#8217;s dude.  I can&#8217;t believe you actually went to the bomber!</p>
<p>Marc<br />
West Linn</p>
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		<title>By: Brian (dad to 3)</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80069</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian (dad to 3)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you missed the moral of the experience.  Your summary statement should have been: &lt;b&gt;Sometimes you should listen to your wife.&lt;/b&gt;:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you missed the moral of the experience.  Your summary statement should have been: <b>Sometimes you should listen to your wife.</b> <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gwyn, you are absolutely right. We should have just waited at the first place. It would have been *much* better all the way around. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gwyn, you are absolutely right. We should have just waited at the first place. It would have been *much* better all the way around. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Gwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. I bet it took you way longer than the 10 or 15 minutes you would have had to wait at the first place before you finally got to the place you did eat at too. hehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There ain&#8217;t no such thing as a free lunch. I bet it took you way longer than the 10 or 15 minutes you would have had to wait at the first place before you finally got to the place you did eat at too. hehe</p>
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		<title>By: cindy@staged4more</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindy@staged4more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello

it's totally true. a cheap meal is expensive when you think of the real conseqences behind it. 

when i was working as a starving americorps volunteer who received a very very modest stipend (think $3/hour at 50 hours per week and the rent is $350, and this was in 2003) and worked an additional waitressing job to help paying the bills, i lived in poverty. and when i went to grocery store, choices were simple. whatever was the cheapest won. hmmm 50-cent crappy lettuce or 2-dollar nicer lettuce? 50-cent crappy lettuce with black holes and interesting things on it.... 

i also ate fast food across the street from my office almost every day. it was dirt cheap and quick. $3 for giant fried chicken wings, cole slaw, soda AND potato? awesome! i started to feel heavy 1 week into that diet, started to huff and puff every time i had to walk up the stairs. all those money that i "saved" by eating poorly, i paid it with unhealthy weight-gain and self-confidence.

i am all for homemade lunches now!

cheers,

cindy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello</p>
<p>it&#8217;s totally true. a cheap meal is expensive when you think of the real conseqences behind it. </p>
<p>when i was working as a starving americorps volunteer who received a very very modest stipend (think $3/hour at 50 hours per week and the rent is $350, and this was in 2003) and worked an additional waitressing job to help paying the bills, i lived in poverty. and when i went to grocery store, choices were simple. whatever was the cheapest won. hmmm 50-cent crappy lettuce or 2-dollar nicer lettuce? 50-cent crappy lettuce with black holes and interesting things on it&#8230;. </p>
<p>i also ate fast food across the street from my office almost every day. it was dirt cheap and quick. $3 for giant fried chicken wings, cole slaw, soda AND potato? awesome! i started to feel heavy 1 week into that diet, started to huff and puff every time i had to walk up the stairs. all those money that i &#8220;saved&#8221; by eating poorly, i paid it with unhealthy weight-gain and self-confidence.</p>
<p>i am all for homemade lunches now!</p>
<p>cheers,</p>
<p>cindy</p>
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		<title>By: Masale.Wallah</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/26/sometimes-a-cheap-meal-is-expensive/#comment-80062</link>
		<dc:creator>Masale.Wallah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One cannot be completely rational at all times. The fact that you all were probably hungry and around so much food could be the reason you decided to eat at The Bomber after all, in spite of bad previous experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One cannot be completely rational at all times. The fact that you all were probably hungry and around so much food could be the reason you decided to eat at The Bomber after all, in spite of bad previous experiences.</p>
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