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Where we choose to live — both home and community — can have a profound effect on our personal finances, and on the non-monetary “wealth” in our lives. Sabra at the Zillow Blog discovered this first-hand when she and her husband moved into a condo in downtown Seattle. The changes have been amazing — and somewhat unexpected.
Our 3,200 square feet of Texas sprawl has been squeezed down to a cosmopolitan 1,200. We’ve gotten rid of most of our furniture, clothes, and surplus artwork, and all of our meaningless “stuff.” We’ve chucked the lawnmower and garden tools, and pared our dishes down to enough for only four. And best of all — most gloriously of all — we’ve sold our three cars!
Our everyday lives have changed in every way imaginable. We don’t own a car, so we walk everywhere, including to and from work. We use the bus or ferry if we want to go farther afield. This has had a profound effect on how we interact with people. We realize now that the cocoons of our cars kept us well insulated from the people around us.
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We’ve developed friendships with several proprietors and servers at our favorite restaurants. A restaurateur recently called out to us and said, “We’ve missed you.” Our neighborhood grocer loves to talk to us, because he finds our change in lifestyle quite intriguing. “What do you think? Are you still happy with your decision?” Our local video store proprietor has very decided ideas about what we should and shouldn’t rent — he’ll actually pull DVD’s from under the counter and say, “Here — I was saving these for you.” Instead of feeling anonymous in the big city, we’ve grown to feel welcomed and wanted, and we’ve become friendlier, too. We’ve discovered that most people, whatever their walk of life, are pretty darn nice.We eat out about 85% of the time and basically keep only snacks at home. We have not missed the daily grind of cooking and cleaning up at all. People often ask us how we can afford to eat out so much, but after shifting our grocery and auto budgets over to the dining budget, we are still ahead financially. And what fun it has been to take in a football game and a great hamburger at this place, and enjoy a jazz trio and a fine wine at that place.

I grew up in the country. We lived in a trailer house twenty miles south of Portland on wide open farmland. It was a great place to be a kid. My college was located in downtown Salem. The’s as close as I’ve ever come to “living in a big city”. I found it exhilarating to be able to walk wherever I wanted to go: restaurants, parks, book stores (and, of course, comic book stores), movie theaters, the library, and even grocery stores. It gave me a whole different sense of the world.
After college, we settled in my hometown, still a rural community of about 10,000 people. We were close enough to the center of town that I could walk or bike most places. Three years ago, we moved nearer to Portland. Though we’re closer to the big city, we’re actually farther from anything useful. The nearest grocery store is a mile away — walkable, but not in the rain.

We love our house — it’s a hundred-year-old farmhouse with two-thirds of an acre — but, in retrospect, it wasn’t the smartest financial decision. We left a home on which we had more than 50% equity (and only nine years left on the mortgage), and traded it for a nicer place that we’ll be paying on for decades. Had I known then what I know now, we’d still be in Canby.
There are times when I try to convince Kris — only half-heartedly — that we could sell the place and buy a condo in downtown Portland. “Wouldn’t you love to be able to just go anywhere on a whim?” I ask. “We could go see movies. We could go out to eat.” (Note how these things require spending money.)
She just shakes her head. “I’m not moving,” she says. “I love this place.” I admit, as I watch her work with her 60+ rose bushes and her tomato seedlings, I can’t imagine living anywhere else. Plus, while the financial costs are greater here, there’s also far more social capital in this community. In Canby, neighbors kept to themselves. Here, though, people are friendly. There’s a sense togetherness. I think it’s likely that we’ll live in our current house until we die.
Still, we pay a price (one which is sometimes quite subtle) for choosing to live where we do. I commute an hour every day. Few things are within walking distance. Our home is the opposite of energy efficient. We actually have too much space — we’ve sealed off an entire room because we do not use it. As I said at the start: Where we choose to live — both home and community — can have a profound effect on our personal finances.
[Zillow Blog: Confessions of an Empty-Nester, via A Whole Lotta Nothing]
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March 8th, 2007 at 9:26 am
I couldn’t agree more. At the moment I live in a flat in a quiet, less affluent inner city area. I live within walking distance of work, great clothes shopping and all the other amenities that I could want. This means that I can live without a car. That has a major effect on my personal finances.
I’m in the middle of buying my first home and one of my few requirements was that it should be within walking distance of work. I never want to go back to taking the bus every day and can’t imagine having so much money that it’ll be worth getting a car.
March 8th, 2007 at 9:53 am
First let me say, I absolutely LOVE your house. I so relate to this story. Last year we moved from southern rural Indiana not far from Bloomington where we lived in nice sized house on 1/2 acre. Timewise our commutes to work were not long but distance-wise about 35 miles roundtrip. We moved to the Chicago suburbs close to where my husbands job is and I got a job close by as well(about 10 mile roundtrip). Our housing went from 1600 ft house to 1000 ft condo. Our costs for heat are almost 1/2. Although we have not much in walking distance our mileage on our vehicles is about 1/3 of what we used to do which equals less gas and less maintenance. We also spend more time as a family (one 6 yr old). Our biggest expense has been private school for Kindergarten (chose this for the childcare) but next year we will be doing public school and getting more paid off. Another thing we found, oddly with increased living expenses here, is cheaper groceries with produce stores and store competition. Our hopes is to maintain a low cost approach, increase out net worth and someday move back to a country house to grow our own tomatoes again and look at the stars at night.
March 8th, 2007 at 10:15 am
I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE your house. I would have moved from the Canby house to the one you have (including with the friendly neighbors) in a heartbeat, but the 1-hr commute certainly is a tough decision.
I’ll be moving soon (don’t know where yet) and my vision is a smallish quaint cottage. (Right now I have a huge house with many rooms I don’t use, but other rooms I do use quite often (finished basement gym, etc)). My other house vision is to be walking distance from a town, friendly neighbors, good taverns and restaurants, etc.
Thanks for the reminder about house vs. home!
March 8th, 2007 at 10:21 am
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March 8th, 2007 at 11:07 am
I cannot agree more. Many people view the suburbs as safe and inviting, when in reality I believe that it is as far from a community as one can get. Where I grew up, neighbors put up privacy fences and never talked to each other. We didn’t even know the people across the street from us.
Now that we’re living in Chicago, we know our neighbors in the building we’re in. They look after our cats if we’re out of town for a while. We recognize people in our neighborhood, the proprietors, the kids, the artists. We participate in neighborhood meetings with these same people.
I would rather be financially okay and live in the city than live in a place of isolation and be super rich.
March 8th, 2007 at 11:08 am
I would add that where you live can effect your spending in unexpected ways. If you live in a neighborhood where most of the neighbors have more income than you, you will tend to overspend in order to keep up with them. If you live in a neighborhood where your income is higher than most, you will spend less. Most of us don’t want to look like a show-off to our neighbors. This effect has been supported by considerable research. Our drive to keep up with our neighbors is strong and can be predominantly subconscious.
March 8th, 2007 at 11:16 am
In addition to the cold hard cash I save by never having owned a car in my 30 years, living in the city means I get to support local business. I notice that some of my suburbanite colleagues often haven’t got the option of going to a locally owned optician/grocer/butcher/etc, they’re stuck with soulless big boxes. This can only be good for the local economy and the small business owner’s finances!
(Public transit is a remarkably democratic too. Here in NYC it’s not uncommon to be squashed on a subway car next to a homeless guy and a professional in several hundred dollar shoes; keeps ya grounded).
March 8th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
SO very true! This is exactly why I moved to the small town where I live now. I’ve lived both in suburbs of large cities, and well out in the country (twenty minutes from the nearest town, an hour and twenty from the nearest city) and I wasn’t happy in either place - in the city, there were few places to go that didn’t cost money and many places that weren’t safe or comfortable, especially with small kids; in the country, there was nowhere to go, period. (This is exacerbated by the fact that I don’t drive for health reasons.) Now I live on the edge of a town that is less than a mile long; I can walk anywhere I want to, and my workplace is five blocks from my house. There are very few things that really want that I can’t either buy from local vendors (I’ve always been a support-your-local-economy believer, but I’ve become a hardcore advocate since moving here) or buy from independent vendors online and have delivered to my doorstep. Isolation places a natural limit on what I can and do spend. The local moviehouse, and actual old-style, independently owned place built in 1946, with a balcony and everything - runs three movies a month. When I get to the nearest truly big city, I spend the weekend and a couple of hundred dollars - but I only do so two or three times a year. We have one really nice restaurant (where I eat on the workplace dime several times a year, and so don’t feel particularly compelled to go more often) and three or four fast food places in town, and nothing in between; so I simply do not go out to eat. (We went out at least twice a month when we lived in the ‘burbs.) The pressure to feed school fads is not as intense as at urban schools, and if my kids do get momentarily excited about something that’s going around, it’s even odds that they’ve lost interest in it before I would have had a chance to buy it anyway. And I don’t miss any of it, which tells me that it really wasn’t all that important to me when I had it.
March 8th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
I grew up in the ‘burbs, used to own a house on a big lot in the ‘burbs, and now own a quasi-urban townhome. Sometimes I think I’m crazy for considering giving up my 2000 sqft home and my car to move to NYC to chase career dreams from the subway and a 600 sqft box.
March 8th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
When I moved to Milwaukee a few years ago, I enjoyed renting an apartment close to downtown, close to stores and restaurants and the lakefront, and close to work. It was nice not to have to drive the car in order to go to places, and the “vibe” of the city was fun to experience. However, I hated the noise (mostly from nearby university students), hated the petty crime (nearly mugged twice), and when it came time to buy my own place, couldn’t possibly afford a reasonably sized townhouse or condo in the area.
So, I hesitantly bought an inexpensive, 1000 sq. ft. condo in a fancy suburb 12 miles to the north. As it turns out, this move was good for my finances and life perspective. True, I have a 20-25 minute trek to work (I usually take a commuter bus), and I’m much more isolated from people and places than before, but my condo is quiet and is surrounded by a wildlife-friendly lawn and forest. Because I don’t have immediate foot access to shops and restaurants, I have dramatically pared down my spending. The move has also given me a space away from work, so I don’t always “take my work home” with me. If I had remained a renter in the city, or if I had bought a 400 sq. ft. studio condo near work, I probably would still be spending most of my earnings–a $5 sandwich here and a $2 cup of coffee there really add up after a while. I do spend a little more in gas now, but not much more. And my insurance rates plummeted after my move!
One of these days I’ll probably want to return to city living, but I’ll bring my financial lessons with me. However, there are many joys in surburban living, and in my next move I may even consider going to a suburb that has a walkable and interesting downtown. Perhaps that would provide the best of both worlds?
March 8th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
I agree with Him, I rather be secure financially than rich and isolated.
It’s all about what works best for you.
March 8th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Moving to another country, especially one where you’re not fluent in the language, can also have an effect on your finances. When I moved to Montréal five years ago, my French was rusty and of the Continental variety…I had a very hard time understanding native Québecois speakers. We live in northeastern Montréal, an almost entirely Francophone quarter. My landlord speaks no English, nor do many of the merchants in our area. So for the first couple of years here I saved a ton of money simply because I didn’t go out much! I gradually built up my skills so now I do all my shopping, banking, and even doctor visits and car repairs in French, but in the beginning I was so embarrassed to speak it that I avoided shops where I’d have to order or explain anything.
March 8th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Hmm. I think maybe there are different best places to live at different times in your life. When my kids were little and my husband worked at home, we lived in a more rural/suburban setting. We had a garden and a yard and the kids ran around with the neighbor kids like we could remember from when we were growing up. (Here http://www.enocommons.org .)
Now, with both adults working and the kids teens, living in a more urban area works. We have a smaller space and less stuff to keep track of, but more options and resources in the community around us. It isn’t as safe and it nets out a little more expensive, but it works for us at this stage. My kids visit their friends in the old neighborhood in the summer, but start getting bored and stir crazy after a couple of weeks. (Here http://www.easternvillage.org .)
In both places though, I think the social capital is definitely what makes the days worth waking up for, and the housing money worth spending.
-Jessie
March 8th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
I’d be interested to hear your take on the hour comute and the pros & cons of living where you do. My wife & I are considering moving to be closer to our kids Grandparents, and a more small-town setting, but it would be going from a 1/2 hour to an hour commute for me. What’s your take on the financial, and the lifestyle side of that?
March 8th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
I’ve commuted one hour each way at several points in my life. It’s not that bad if it is a consistent one hour commute. An hour is about one CD, right? Where it starts to get really painful if its one hour on good days, 90 minutes getting home on Friday, and 2+ hours if there is rain. That starts to dramatically impact your quality of life.
Also, studies here in the DC area have shown that most people low ball their commute when asked about it, so the people claiming a one hour commute (in the DC area) are more likely commuting 75+ minutes each way.
My commute today is about 30 feet from the bedroom to my home office
March 9th, 2007 at 9:40 am
We’ve lived in the city and still live in a very close suburb. I lived where I walked to school without a car and shopped with a car. Sure they are “saving” money by living in town, but they are spending way more money by eating out.
They can cook simply and save even more without a car. Shopping everyday for meat for school and stuff like that will save a ton. Plus eating out is often fattening.
I agree it’s about choices, but it’ll be very difficult to argue that eating out even $5/meal is more expensive than spending 20 minutes cooking something simple like chicken and pasta, etc.
March 9th, 2007 at 9:53 am
What a great post. This is so true. We’re soon to put our house on the market so that we can be closer to both of our workplaces and quit burning so many fossil fuels. Eric’s also a musician, so we need a place where he can set up all his drums and stuff. But I also know having more space will tempt us to gather more stuff. I’m already planning on how to keep this from happening.
I was thinking about my past, though, too. I spent five years living outside of L.A. when I was in grad school. I had moved there on my own from Idaho straight out of college, and I probably racked up close to $15,000 in debt just trying to keep up with the joneses (new clothes, getting my hair colored, martinis, travel, etc.). I’d try to wipe out my credit cards with my student loan money, but I never addressed the overspending. Moving to Colorado facilitated a healthier relationship with money, I think, because things are not quite so superficial here.
In the meanwhile, we’ve almost wiped out that debt, ten years later. Lesson learned.
March 10th, 2007 at 9:05 am
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March 10th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Is that really your house? Man, that’s awesome. I should really stick around Portland
I don’t think a condo in downtown Portland is a good idea if you want a family - the Hawthorne district is much better. You can live in a home (albeit on a small lot) and you can still walk to restaurants and grocery stores. TriMet buses everywhere too.
March 12th, 2007 at 7:44 am
I live in a small town and can’t imagine trading my average sized house for a tiny tiny condo that would cost the same.
Mainly though I can do without the stress of city living. The city we visit the most is philadelphia. Its great to visit, but I do not want to live there.