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	<title>Comments on: Saving and Investing: Providers and Users of Capital</title>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/04/saving-and-investing-providers-and-users-of-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-83412</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be the first to admit that my investments are pretty aggressive, but I can afford that risk since I have another 45 years to retirement. 

I shouldn&#039;t have been so general. I guess the point is do your homework (which you obviously have) before investing in any fund. I can definitely see the convenience for a hands off investor. I guess that&#039;s just not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be the first to admit that my investments are pretty aggressive, but I can afford that risk since I have another 45 years to retirement. </p>
<p>I shouldn&#8217;t have been so general. I guess the point is do your homework (which you obviously have) before investing in any fund. I can definitely see the convenience for a hands off investor. I guess that&#8217;s just not me.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kew</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Kew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Seth: this may depend on how you define &quot;super conservative&quot;. It may also depend on what fund family you use. But I think labelling all target-date funds as &quot;super conservative&quot; is dangerously misleading.

Current constituents of Vanguard Total Retirement 2035:

71.9% Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund
10.3% Vanguard European Stock Index Fund	
10.3% Vanguard Total Bond Market Index Fund	
4.8% Vanguard Pacific Stock Index Fund	
2.7% Vanguard Emerging Markets Stock Index Fund

This is in no way &quot;super conservative&quot;; a 90/10 stock/bond allocation with some worldwide diversification on the stocks.

Your returns are excellent, but is it possible that some might see your fund mixture as &quot;super aggressive&quot;?

FWIW2: I do roll my own mix in my 401k, which has only a S&amp;P 500 index fund. Doing OK, but picking an allocation and rebalancing is work I&#039;d rather avoid, and I also find it hard to avoid performance-chasing. If and when I leave my job I&#039;ll probably roll it over to Vanguard and do a lazy index-fund portfolio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Seth: this may depend on how you define &#8220;super conservative&#8221;. It may also depend on what fund family you use. But I think labelling all target-date funds as &#8220;super conservative&#8221; is dangerously misleading.</p>
<p>Current constituents of Vanguard Total Retirement 2035:</p>
<p>71.9% Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund<br />
10.3% Vanguard European Stock Index Fund<br />
10.3% Vanguard Total Bond Market Index Fund<br />
4.8% Vanguard Pacific Stock Index Fund<br />
2.7% Vanguard Emerging Markets Stock Index Fund</p>
<p>This is in no way &#8220;super conservative&#8221;; a 90/10 stock/bond allocation with some worldwide diversification on the stocks.</p>
<p>Your returns are excellent, but is it possible that some might see your fund mixture as &#8220;super aggressive&#8221;?</p>
<p>FWIW2: I do roll my own mix in my 401k, which has only a S&amp;P 500 index fund. Doing OK, but picking an allocation and rebalancing is work I&#8217;d rather avoid, and I also find it hard to avoid performance-chasing. If and when I leave my job I&#8217;ll probably roll it over to Vanguard and do a lazy index-fund portfolio.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James Kew:

Just my 2 cents, but those &quot;age appropriate&quot; accounts are SUPER conservative. If you&#039;ve got 18 years to retirement I&#039;d do it myself. My brother has a Fidelity Freedom Fund 2040 and he returned 8% last year. By comparison I returned 22.5% with a mix of international, real estate, dividend and growth funds. Just remember as you get closer to retirement to move more money into something less volatile like bonds and/or blue chips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James Kew:</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents, but those &#8220;age appropriate&#8221; accounts are SUPER conservative. If you&#8217;ve got 18 years to retirement I&#8217;d do it myself. My brother has a Fidelity Freedom Fund 2040 and he returned 8% last year. By comparison I returned 22.5% with a mix of international, real estate, dividend and growth funds. Just remember as you get closer to retirement to move more money into something less volatile like bonds and/or blue chips.</p>
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		<title>By: db</title>
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		<dc:creator>db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD, I was kind of skeptical at first but I&#039;m liking this guy more and more. I think I may have to watch all these things again.

I was feeling really low the past few days and interestingly today&#039;s videos have perked me up a bit.

I do keep wanting to wash his hair though! lol

db</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD, I was kind of skeptical at first but I&#8217;m liking this guy more and more. I think I may have to watch all these things again.</p>
<p>I was feeling really low the past few days and interestingly today&#8217;s videos have perked me up a bit.</p>
<p>I do keep wanting to wash his hair though! lol</p>
<p>db</p>
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		<title>By: James Kew</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Kew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5a) or your employer&#039;s 401k, particularly if it offers an employer match. (Free money.)

And while I like Vanguard Total Stock Market, I&#039;d suggest that if you&#039;re going to pick *one* fund in your retirement account you&#039;d be better served by picking an age-appropriate Vanguard Total Retirement fund. Better diversified, and automatically adjusts the risk profile as you near retirement; both good things if you&#039;re a hands-off investor.

(FWIW, I hold Target Retirement 2035 in my Roth.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5a) or your employer&#8217;s 401k, particularly if it offers an employer match. (Free money.)</p>
<p>And while I like Vanguard Total Stock Market, I&#8217;d suggest that if you&#8217;re going to pick *one* fund in your retirement account you&#8217;d be better served by picking an age-appropriate Vanguard Total Retirement fund. Better diversified, and automatically adjusts the risk profile as you near retirement; both good things if you&#8217;re a hands-off investor.</p>
<p>(FWIW, I hold Target Retirement 2035 in my Roth.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>11. I got to thinking that I would actually add one more step to my above list ... I don&#039;t have kids, so I tend to forget this one, but if you have kids, you should start an ESA,i.e., an Educational Savings Account.  Start this when your kids are babies and let it grow tax free in a broad stock market index fund, like The Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>11. I got to thinking that I would actually add one more step to my above list &#8230; I don&#8217;t have kids, so I tend to forget this one, but if you have kids, you should start an ESA,i.e., an Educational Savings Account.  Start this when your kids are babies and let it grow tax free in a broad stock market index fund, like The Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These videos are fascinating.  Since these posts are about the basics of finance, I thought I&#039;d try giving it a shot to &quot;boil&quot; it all down to the most basic steps for success.  Here goes:

1. Work your butt off.
2. Save as much as you can.
3. Stay the hell outta debt.
4. Fund a money-market emergency fund to at least 10K.  ING is a good place to open such an account.
5. Invest for retirement,i.e., open a Roth IRA and stick it in a broad stock-market index fund, like The Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund.
6. Buy your own home and pay it off early.
7. Get proper insurance.
8. Be frugal.
9. Stay the hell away from any kind of &quot;get-rich-quick&quot; schemes, and know you have to work your butt off in this world just to lead a normal middle-class life, and you ESPECIALLY have to work your butt off double-time to become anything like a young millionaire.
10. Make a will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These videos are fascinating.  Since these posts are about the basics of finance, I thought I&#8217;d try giving it a shot to &#8220;boil&#8221; it all down to the most basic steps for success.  Here goes:</p>
<p>1. Work your butt off.<br />
2. Save as much as you can.<br />
3. Stay the hell outta debt.<br />
4. Fund a money-market emergency fund to at least 10K.  ING is a good place to open such an account.<br />
5. Invest for retirement,i.e., open a Roth IRA and stick it in a broad stock-market index fund, like The Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund.<br />
6. Buy your own home and pay it off early.<br />
7. Get proper insurance.<br />
8. Be frugal.<br />
9. Stay the hell away from any kind of &#8220;get-rich-quick&#8221; schemes, and know you have to work your butt off in this world just to lead a normal middle-class life, and you ESPECIALLY have to work your butt off double-time to become anything like a young millionaire.<br />
10. Make a will.</p>
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		<title>By: squished18</title>
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		<dc:creator>squished18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a sexy topic?!?! I disagree. OK, maybe that&#039;s just me.

Adding my two cents. It makes sense to borrow money (capital) if what you can do with that capital right now enables you to do a lot more than if you tried to save up the money and then built your new investment. For example, let&#039;s say I&#039;m taking the bus to work at a job that pays $8/hour. However, if I buy a car for $3000, I can commute to a different job that pays $16/hour. In this case, it would make sense for me to borrow money and invest it in the car, because in one year I would have more money than if I stayed at my $8/hour job.

Student loans and education can be another good example of good capital investment. If you only understand as much as an average twelfth-grader, you might be only good enough to sell electronics at Best Buy. However, if you borrow some money and go to college, you could become a plumber. The value of you being a plumber over being a Best Buy salesman over your lifetime is likely much greater than the interest you&#039;ll pay on a student loan, especially to the people around you.

Finally, this applies to governments as well. Roads are expensive to build. However, it can be argued that it will be vastly more beneficial to the state to have a paved road, rather than dirt tracks. (You only need to try to travel by car on dirt roads in South America to see this firsthand.) It may take the government 50 years to save up enough money to pave a road. However, if they borrow the money and build the road now, the increased ability of its citizens to do more allows them to pay for the road in 20 years. So it makes sense to borrow the money in this case.

squished</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a sexy topic?!?! I disagree. OK, maybe that&#8217;s just me.</p>
<p>Adding my two cents. It makes sense to borrow money (capital) if what you can do with that capital right now enables you to do a lot more than if you tried to save up the money and then built your new investment. For example, let&#8217;s say I&#8217;m taking the bus to work at a job that pays $8/hour. However, if I buy a car for $3000, I can commute to a different job that pays $16/hour. In this case, it would make sense for me to borrow money and invest it in the car, because in one year I would have more money than if I stayed at my $8/hour job.</p>
<p>Student loans and education can be another good example of good capital investment. If you only understand as much as an average twelfth-grader, you might be only good enough to sell electronics at Best Buy. However, if you borrow some money and go to college, you could become a plumber. The value of you being a plumber over being a Best Buy salesman over your lifetime is likely much greater than the interest you&#8217;ll pay on a student loan, especially to the people around you.</p>
<p>Finally, this applies to governments as well. Roads are expensive to build. However, it can be argued that it will be vastly more beneficial to the state to have a paved road, rather than dirt tracks. (You only need to try to travel by car on dirt roads in South America to see this firsthand.) It may take the government 50 years to save up enough money to pave a road. However, if they borrow the money and build the road now, the increased ability of its citizens to do more allows them to pay for the road in 20 years. So it makes sense to borrow the money in this case.</p>
<p>squished</p>
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