When Did You Start Caring About Your Finances? Print
Thursday, 5th April 2007 (by J.D.)This article is about Ask the Readers, Real-Life
Cap at Stop Buying Crap recently asked: “When did you start caring about your finances?” This is an interesting question. I’ve always believed that my finances were important to me, but I never actually acted on this belief until a few years ago.
My parents set poor examples for managing money. In high school, I ignored the mandatory personal finance class. When I was offered credit cards in college, I signed up, and I used them, and began a lifestyle of debt. For the first few months after college, I was in a lousy job, and felt lucky to have a credit card with a $10,000 limit. I maxed it out buying clothes and paying for hotels and taking cash advances for living expenses. I bought a new car.
By the mid-nineties I was deep in debt, but I didn’t have the discipline to stop myself. I paid minimum payments. When my credit limits were raised (always a joyous day), I viewed it as a license to spend. In 1995 I got a $5,000 windfall. Rather than pay off my credit card debt — which had swelled to $20,000 — I bought a new Macintosh Performa 640CD DOS-compatible personal computer and loads of games to go along with it. I bought new clothes.
This whole time, of course, I felt lost. I knew I was in debt, but I didn’t know how to escape it. The only thing I seemed to be able to do was spend. I was very good at spending. I fantasized that I could quit my job, take the money from my retirement plan (less taxes and penalties, of course), and pay off my debt. I fantasized that we could sell the house and I could use some of the equity to pay off my debt. I fantasized about get rich quick schemes.
I began to make small steps toward taking responsibility for my money around my 30th birthday. The interest rates on my credit cards were killing me. One day my bank sent a mailer advertising home equity loans. I’d never heard of these before, but a little research convinced me to try one. I cut up my credit cards. I moved all of my credit card debt to home equity. I cancelled the credit card accounts. I haven’t had a personal credit card since.
This stopped the flood. I no longer acquired new debt. But I wasn’t doing anything to eliminate the old debt. I spent everything I earned. I was living paycheck-to-paycheck. It was going to take until 2013 to pay off my home equity loan.
A couple years passed. In the winter of 2004, two things happened that changed the course of my life. They seemed small at the time, but in retrospect they were the sorts of things that move mountains.
First, a friend who had heard me moaning about my debt asked me to lunch. He told me about a book he had read that helped him gain control of his finances. “I’ll send you a copy,” he said. A few days later, Your Money or Your Life appeared in the mail. But I didn’t read it.
A few weeks later, another friend listened to me complain about my debt. “J.D.,” she said, “I have just the book for you.” She handed me a copy of Dave Ramsey’s The Total Money Makeover. “Read this,” she said. “I think it’ll help you.” I didn’t read that book, either.
We moved to a new house in 2004, and the financial obligations were overwhelming. Our mortgage was higher. The upkeep was higher. Plus we were putting away money for a remodeling project. I felt broke. I was making $50,000 a year, but felt penniless. I still had a $21,000 home equity loan on which I was making interest-only payments. I felt oppressed.
It was during the spring of 2005 that I actually began to care about my peronal finances (instead of just believing I cared). I was 36 years old. I picked up The Total Money Makeover and I read it cover-to-cover. A lot of the information didn’t apply to me, but the core ideas were revolutionary. An emergency fund! Pay the smallest balance debts first! Live debt-free!
I picked up Your Money or Your Life and read it on a Sunday afternoon. This book made even more sense to me: Time is money; if you can develop enough passive income, you can become financially independent; frugality can go hand-in-hand with making more money; simple living is an option.
April of 2005 was the turning point for me. It was during that month that I began to care about my finances. Now I have an emergency fund, my debt is almost eliminated, and I’ve begun to make money writing. By following the advice in these books, I’ve been able to turn my life around.
Did you have a specific turning point? Or have you always been aware of your finances?

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April 5th, 2007 at 5:20 am
The turning point for me was when I graduated from college. Although I worked all through school, I was still strongly supported by my parents financially. It wasn’t until I graduated and started my first “real job” that I realized that all the responsbility was on me from there on out. It was pretty eye-opening to go from being heavily subsidized to having to figure out how I was going to be insured, how I was going to pay my electric bill, and what FICA taxes are.
April 5th, 2007 at 5:43 am
I found Dave Ramsey’s podcast in July 2005 and I got my family on his plan.
Since then I have paid off nearly 60K of debt (car loans, personal loans, student debt, and a 2nd mortgage). My wife has been able to quit her job to stay at home with our 4 month old daughter.
At 32 now, I am saving a good chunk for retirement and I very happy to have awoken from my financial slumber.
April 5th, 2007 at 5:54 am
I started to somewhat care after college, as I began putting money into a 401K.
My parents had been good role models, financially. They had a comfortable house, saved alot, and lived within their means. My father, making a middle-class salary, and upper-class savings. I learned alot from my grandfather, who read the WSJ every day and taught be about the stock market.
I really started to care about my finances after I completed graduate school. Until then, I had been too poor to sock away anything resembling 10% of gross. I finished school without debt, and immediatly saw my salary more than double. I still live with the college-life mentality I had for 8 years though, except now I own a scooter to get around town. Talk about splurging.
I began to do more research, and cared even further when I got engaged. My fiancee is a smart woman, and had avoided financial land mines, but wasn’t maximizing her savings strategy. I created for us a goal, and started planning for that goal.
April 5th, 2007 at 6:06 am
When I got married, March 2004, I started caring a bit more than I was. Then my wife and I read Dave’s Total Money Makeover around August 2004, and it was ON.
April 5th, 2007 at 6:12 am
When my wife became pregnant with our first child. We wanted her to stay at home with the baby once it was born, and we now save more for retirement and college than we were when both of us were working.
April 5th, 2007 at 6:15 am
Great story J.D. At least you have (or will have) a happy ending.
I’m 26, and I’ve spent most of my college years (’99-’05) being very frugal and responsible for obvious reasons. When I graduated and finally got a job (earning $60k), I started to become very careless with my new found sum of money. Going out a lot, and buying juices every day was costing me a handful of benjamins every month. Luckily for me, I discovered sites like Ramit’s and yours in early ‘06, so my spending immediately changed. Right now, I’m sitting on a $30k emergency fund in ING, a $14k+ in my 401(k), a $4k+ in my Roth IRA, just bought my fiancee a $10k engagement ring, and am about to start investing in index funds at Vanguard - and its only my second year of working!!! I owe you and Ramit a lot of gratitude for giving me the heads up so early in my life, and continually look towards your sites for guidance.
THANK YOU GUYS!
April 5th, 2007 at 6:15 am
When I bought a house. I’ve never had debt issues (I’m a city gal who’s never owned a car, and I’m Irish so university fees were paid by the taxpayers) but never gave a damn about organizing or planning any of my finances. Owing the bank the guts of $300,000 made a light bulb go off and, thanks to sites like this, I’m learning rapidly.
April 5th, 2007 at 6:17 am
Congrats on the engagement z!
April 5th, 2007 at 6:25 am
@j&w
Hey thanks! I’m just now worried about the cost of the $30k wedding. Good bye emergency fund.
Hey guys, where are the articles on how to minimize wedding costs? =]
April 5th, 2007 at 6:29 am
I think there really is a “frugal” gene, and I inherited it. In my family, even the poorest paid cousin saved her money and paid cash for her first vehicle. We are not a wealthy family, maybe lower middle class or even somewhat poor. But you will never see us in debt.
What so many people seem to be getting a revelation about nowadays, always seemed to be horse sense to me.
I think the importance of money really hit home to me when I left home, though. I saw for myself that the world was divided into two kinds of people, those with money, and those without. If you don’t have money, you are in a kind of bondage to landlords, etc.
I didn’t like it. Landlords were never particularly kind to me. I would have probably never been able to purchase a house if it hadn’t been for a small inheritance I received, but I made up my mind to buy a house that was cheap enough, that, no matter what happened, I wouldn’t lose it. People told me I was stupid, there was no way I could buy ANY house in 1977 for less than $30,000… but I did it.
It was the best move I ever made.
It actually saved my life when I was downsized in 1997, because it was paid off and no son of a gun could make me move or have to take a job I really did not want.
The only place I feel I missed the mark was on saving for retirement, but I didn’t do all that bad. A few years before I was canned, it occurred to me that I really didn’t know what my retirement was looking like. I wasn’t satisfied with the company’s thrift plan, they had changed our traditional pension to an ESOP, and I just felt weird. No head knowledge, just a bad feeling about it all.
So I started saving more aggressively, and buying savings bonds.
I’m not where I wish I was, but it’s not too bad.
April 5th, 2007 at 6:32 am
Not to be too much of a brown-noser but I started caring about my finances about the time I found the link to your blog. Before that I knew I needed to do *something* but everything seemed so daunting and the various books on finance so boring. I felt everything I ever read about personal finance was aimed at old white men who were already rich, not me. Having it broken up into easy-to-understand, manageable, dare I say “fun” bits really helped me.
April 5th, 2007 at 6:34 am
I’ve sort of always been aware. My mom used to listen to Dave Ramsey when picking all of us kids up from school, so I’ve been hearing his “no debt” mantra since before I ever had a job. My parents lived it, as well, and put me through college with cash so that I don’t have student loans.
I was able to move to New York City immediately after college graduation, but I was working at Starbucks and trying to pay rent that was almost double my parents’ mortgage payment. I still manage to go to Europe that summer (for cash) and save up a six-month emergency fund. I’m really proud that I’m not a boomerang kid like so many of my generation–once I left home, I haven’t been back except to visit, and I’ve never had to ask my parents for money. I’m extremely independent and one of the ways that manifests itself is financially.
I want to retire in comfort and dignity and actually experience life on the way, and the best way I know how to do that is by telling my money what to do instead of wondering where it went.
April 5th, 2007 at 6:46 am
During college, my future husband and I got engaged (and subsequently married two weeks after graduation). I came from a home with plenty of money, managed responsibly, and he came from a home where ends didn’t always meet, and his family did what they had to do to get by. Different ends of the spectrum. We knew we had to talk about finances and get on the same page before we started marriage if our finances (and life together!) were going to work out. Since then (we got married this summer), we got one of Dave Ramsey’s books and have tried to ’start off right’ the very best we know how.
April 5th, 2007 at 6:46 am
I’ve cared about my finances since I was a little kid, there never was a turning point. Every birthday and Christmas I would go to the bank and deposit my money. When I got a job as a teenager my money went to savings for college. When did I start caring about retirement, paying attention to inflation, and looking closer at interest rates? That would be this year at age 25, when I got my first good job that offers an excellent retirement package.
April 5th, 2007 at 6:47 am
My parents never really had a lot of money and we kids knew it. I knew that I didn’t want to live that way and began mowing lawns with my older brother at about age 14. Since then, I’ve pretty much been on my own financially. Paid for college myself (with the help of some aid and student loans).
Now that I’m an “adult” I’ve also set the goal to retire my parents. Not necessarily by giving them all sorts of money, but by helping them make wise financial decisions. I’ve already got them out of debt (to the tune of about $50,000), they’re buying a house, my dad has his first 401k ever, and they’ve got over $7,000 in an emergency fund. All this in a year and a half.
It’s amazing what you can do once you start caring about your finances.
-limeade
http://fiscalmusings.blogspot.com
April 5th, 2007 at 7:01 am
Z, you might try the forums on indiebride.com. It’s more oriented towards adding individuality to weddings than to saving money, but there are big sections devoted to cheaper alternatives, DIY, etc. It would help a lot if you’re not decided on a big, “traditional” wedding.
Regarding finances, I’ve always been concerned about money–I think because my parents started out very poor. So I’ve always had an eye on savings and earning money for purchases before making the purchases, but I didn’t start thinking about actual investing until my fiance and I started talking about kids and retirement and him going back to school.
April 5th, 2007 at 7:21 am
I’ve always cared about my finances but only recently started to control my money. My husband and I decided to get serious about paying down debt, budgeting and “living like no one else” 01/01/07. The funny thing is, I was shopping for a new car (debt) when I came across Dave Ramsey’s name (I was trying to buy a new car without incurring a new car payment). I picked up Total Money Makeover at the library and we decided to pay down our debt ($55,000, mostly from my husband’s grad. school debt) this year (2007). Probably not a surprise, I decided that I didn’t need a new car (we both have cars that are paid off and we both have short commutes) and spent $600 fixing the breaks on my car. Once we get our debt paid off and a fully funded emergency fund then I’ll start saving up for a new used car.
April 5th, 2007 at 7:30 am
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April 5th, 2007 at 7:32 am
Hey Z, We just got married in Oct. 2006 and we paid for the wedding ourselves and our budget was $30,000 and we ended up spending about $35,000 (not including the honeymoon). The best decision that I made was to hire a good wedding coordinator. Yes a wedding coordinator is another expense but her fee was more than paid for by all the money she saved me. Vendors are much more likely to cut their fees for a wedding coordinator b/c they know the coordinator will send more business their way. There’s the additional plus that she did most of the work and all of the coordinating the day of the event so we just got to enjoy!
April 5th, 2007 at 7:36 am
@Z:
$30k for a wedding? How many guests?
I got married in January and we did it all for ~$8k. You don’t need the fanciest of the fancy. You won’t see it on the wedding day anyways. You’ll be too busy being put here for photos, and there for photos, then go cut the cake… it goes by extremely fast. Don’t blow that money.
April 5th, 2007 at 7:42 am
Congratulations on your engagement j&w! (I paid 10k for my engagement ring too recently!)
In any case, I have always been a saver, but I was never aware of my finances until I started working and realized that I have saved quite a bit of money (you can see my March Net Worth Update here). This is all thanks to saving since my teenage years. Now I’m looking to buy a house, and it seems like I would be putting most of everything I have ever saved into it so I’m even more conscious about my saving rate, and the more I cared about saving money, the more I kept track of my expenses.
April 5th, 2007 at 7:51 am
I started caring at the age of 27, when I started my SEPIRA and started paying CCs off in full every month. It adds up fast once you start, and once you actually get out of debt.
April 5th, 2007 at 8:08 am
Wow, didn’t expect so many responses to my comment there. Sorry J.D. if I’m turning this “When did you start…” show to the “Help my wedding” show.
Unfortunately due to circumstances our wedding has to stay fairly on the traditional side, which means lots of money to be spent. We are coming up with small subtle ideas to help minimize the costs, but there are just some costs that go with traditional weddings that won’t budge. Right now we’re estimating 200 guests, not sure if thats going to be doable with my budget. The wedding coordinator definitely sounds like good advice. I’ll probably look into that. Hopefully, the coordinator will find a way to reduce the budget from $30k instead of increasing it to $35k hehe.
April 5th, 2007 at 8:20 am
I joined the military to pay off my school debt. It really helps. I then always assumed my work might be gone the next day. Then I read Don Aslett’s books to keep from collecting crap which cost $$ and time. I still have some waste (new computer, items to help around the house but don’t work well) but I try to keep it to a minimum. My next thing is no mortgage. I wonder if having no real big debt (always have taxes, insurance, property tax) can help free me to do what I want and not stay in an oppressive work environment.
April 5th, 2007 at 8:24 am
I think the turning point for me was when I got married, went back to college, and moved out of my parents’ house all at the same time. Now, I wasn’t in debt before this time, but I spent my money however I wished, without saving or investing for the future. I also spent all of my money.
Fast forward just three years, and my wife and I were living by a budget, saving for retirement, building an emergency fund, and paying off the student loan that had gotten us through some tough times.
My turning point was almost instantaneous, and I started putting all the things I’d read about into practice for the good of my (new) family.
April 5th, 2007 at 8:27 am
My turning point was when I realized that I could make a website, embed affiliated links in my stories, and live off of the commission income stream. That, and paying for links on Digg to drive traffic to the site, and I’m golden.
April 5th, 2007 at 8:32 am
Wow, I blew more money on my 40th birthday bash ($1,500) than on my wedding ($400)!
As for the topic at hand, I didn’t really start caring about my finances until a friend sent me “Your Money or Your Life” and it affected me in much the same way as J.D. I won’t ever reach “FI” (financial independence) as I started too late, but still I follow many of the suggestions in that book and it has changed my life in many ways.
April 5th, 2007 at 8:35 am
I’ve cared about finances every since I was I was a kid. My mom was a single parent and was disabled when I was an early teen. We lived on Social Security disability and money was tight. I got a paper route for money for clothes and school supplies and have worked since.
I always kept myself out of financial trouble since I knew no one would bail me out if I screwed up.
Only in the last few years have I had evough money that I could give thought to investing and getting ahead financially.
I was in grad school all through my 20s (in science, so didn’t pay for it, but had a very small stipend, generally $15K or less). Then we had our first kid right before I graduated and I worked part-time for a few years. My husband and I are well educated and love our jobs but we are not in lucrative fields (teaching, academic research). I personally first made more than $20K a year a few years ago when I was 34. Our combined income now is around $80K a year.
Fortunately we do not have any school debt (his parents paid for undergrad, I got great financial aid as a smart poor kid and paid off my minimal loans a few years ago). We have kept ourselves out of consumer debt and have only have one car and use public transit and bike. We work in professions where fashion is a non-issue, so we thankfully can avoid most of that foolishness.
So, we’re frugal–and good with numbers. We’ve always saved, and even in grad school I was making tiny IRA contributions. The kids have college funds. But it’s only been in the past few years that we’ve been really able to look beyond the here and now and believe that we’re going to be able to work toward a comfortable retirement. In our late 30s, we have probably $60K in our 401Ks combined, we have a rental property, and we plan to eventually have more.
So I’ve always cared–it’s only been recently that I’ve had enough to work with that I needed to make choices about where to put the money I have.
When I read about the young pups out here making $40, 50, 80K, I shake my head and think about how rich that sounds. I know that standard of living is dramatically impacted by how much debt lies beneath that–my best friend is a doctor pulling in over $100K/year, but her med school and credit card debt means that her family has to squeeze to buy a used car or make home repair. But the idea of some single person with no kids making $60K a year and still getting into credit card debt besides…? I boggle.
April 5th, 2007 at 8:46 am
My caring about money came in the mid-90s when I took a night class about investing at a local community college. Before that point, I had spent the better part of a decade rebelling against my mother’s extreme frugality, equating freedom and independence with the ability to buy what I wanted whenever the whim hit me. I was merely trying to earn some credits, but what I received was a terrifying wake-up call. “I have to save *what* each month to retire at 65?! I don’t earn that much!”
Now I’m in a fairly good position, but it was a gradual (and ongoing) process. I’m reading these stories with interest, wondering how I can help my 29 year old brother care about his money and start saving while time is on his side.
April 5th, 2007 at 8:54 am
My awakening to finances has been mostly gradual, as I’ve reached various career and personal milestones over the years. However, the turning point was about four years ago, when I was 36.
In college and most of grad school, I didn’t accumulate much debt, and I lived rather frugally…but I didn’t save anything, either. I spent whatever I had. Unfortunately, at the end of grad school, I had to finance a couple of major job searches–airfares, photocopies, suits, job convention lodging, etc. This racked up a few thousand dollars in debt. To make things worse, in order to advance in my field, I had to change jobs (and locations) a few times from 1994-2001 (4 different jobs in 4 different states). I usually had to pay my own moving expenses, and I had to keep financing job searches in order to get a more desirable job.
Fortunately, during those years, I aggressively paid off most of debt. By the time I got my current job in 2001, I had paid off the credit card, a $5000 student loan, and my car.
Also fortunately, I had been making modest but regular contributions to various retirement plans. I was able to roll three different accounts into my current TIAA-CREF accounts, and that consolidation has helped me keep track of things well.
My current job (begun in 2001) pays much more than the previous one, and this helped me make a crucial leap. After two years here I had enough money saved to make a down payment for a condo. I made the purchase in 2003.
The move from renting to owning was the turning point. I used to go out to eat a lot, drive around wantonly, etc., but now I’m a happy homebody, and I have taken to frugal living quite well. I’m still quite far from my goals, but I have $60K in my 403b, a healthy employer-sponsored pension, and I save about 25% of my salary (mid-$50K). And I have never been happier!
April 5th, 2007 at 9:06 am
When I was growing up and asked my dad if I could have some toy, he would typically respond with ‘No, do you know how long it takes me to work to make that much money?’
This thought me a lot about saving and self-motivation to spend. When I got my first job (at 15), I invested every penny. The money from my jobs through college either went to food or beer or tuition (I paid my own way).
I have always been aware of my finances. In fact I feel guilty for spending and not saving. It wasn’t until last August when I got my first after-school job that I actually started really saving though.
April 5th, 2007 at 9:17 am
I’ve never been a numbers person, and I found it all too easy to live in denial about how much credit card debt I was carrying. In college, I signed up for a bunch of credit cards, and so the total balance was distributed across them. None of them seemed so bad on their own, and I didn’t even try to add the balances together. I wouldn’t say that I spent extremely frivolously - I’ve always taken public transit rather than driving, and when I shopped, I shopped for deals - but I didn’t have a realistic picture of just how much I was spending versus how much I earned. Probably the worst habit I had was eating out - for years I bought my lunch almost every day, as well as a coffee. I also often ‘treated’ myself to dinner out.
It was discovering this site and The Simple Dollar that really got me thinking differently about my finances, but I only really started to take action this year, after my husband and I learned we were expecting a baby. We got serious about tracking our spending starting on January 1st, and are using that data to create a workable budget during the maternity leave, when our income will drop significantly.
We’ve been lucky, and have had a number of financial windfalls this year (I got a raise, with retroactive pay to last fall; I liquidated some company stock; we both got bonuses at work; I finally did my taxes and discovered I’m getting a few thousand dollars back …) but without changing the way we thought about money, we would probably have spent those windfalls on kitchen renos, a new car or fancy baby furniture. Instead, we’ve built up our emergency fund so that we have something to draw from before resorting to credit cards if there are unexpected expenses during my year off work, and while doing this we have also paid off $10,000 of our highest interest credit card debt. I’m optimistic that we can slay the rest of our consumer debt within five years, maybe three if we continue to be lucky in our careers and aggressive about paying down debt. That will leave us with just student loans and our mortgage - a much happier place to be.
April 5th, 2007 at 9:37 am
this is a really DEEP question when i think about it!
i have lifelong lessons about finance
i think i started caring about my finances right out the gate when i was a little boy.. my grandma was an economics teacher and i used to throw pennies away because i didn’t think they were worth a lick.. i remember grandma tellin’ me to hold on to them.. “every penny counts” she said..
my grandpa made us pray the rosary every day for about half my life (before he passed).. you can imagine how boring and repetitive this was.. i used to dread it.. but now that i’m older.. i think this taught me discipline, persistence, and perseverance.. same thing goes for my money.. i have to keep working no matter how repetitive it is.. and make everything “automatic”.. compound interest at it’s best
my mom worked for payroll with the same company i work for now.. my dad was an accountant and passed away at an early age (51).. so that effects the decisions i make with money.. i promised myself i would take advantage of my youth.. work hard for money now.. and let my money work for me when i’m older.. i want to enjoy my life.. life is too short
i saw where my parents grew up (in the philippines).. they came from poverty.. it’s important to know where your roots are so you can take it to another level.. and know where you are headed
i’m 29 now.. not with a very high income.. but have 11k in emergency debt.. 89k in 401k and roth ira.. great credit score.. no debt.. etc..
next goal for me is home ownership
April 5th, 2007 at 9:48 am
I had never been particularly good about managing my finances through school, so once I finished and got a job, I knew I had to watch out or I’d be out on the street. So I whipped up a nice little Excel sheet and started tracking my finances the day I got my first paycheck. That’s easily one of the best things I could have done–thanks to that spreadsheet (which I still use today and will continue to use in the forseeable future), I knew exactly how much money I could spend on a given day, which forced me to rethink my spending habits, plan for big purchases, and find the joy in being able to put a bit away once I realized I don’t need it.
I’ve been at it for about nine months now, and I went from having $500 in the bank for emergencies (courtesy of Mom and Dad) and eating take-out on the floor to having a fully-furnished place I can call home, at least $3000 in the bank at all times, and, as of next month, no debt (with the exeption of the one I owe the same Mom and Dad for loaning me the money required to get an apartment here–six month’s rent up front is kind of tough, but you can’t beat that interest rate).
April 5th, 2007 at 9:52 am
I’d always been semi-decent re: my finances, but I guess I became “hard-core” about doing all the right things after reading stuff like The Automatic Millionaire, The Total Money Make Over, books and articles by Ben Stein, articles by our own J.D. Roth (not to get all fanboy, but J.D. is just as great a PF writer as the other guys I’ve mentioned), many, many other sources that pretty much all say the same things as the above guys do. I’ll echo Dickey47 re: Don Aslett — he’s great; I sort of look at him as the Dave Ramsey of junk, i.e., he’s just as passionate about people getting rid of junk as Ramsey is about people getting rid of debt, which is, of course, junk in and of itself. I also think Aslett has written the best time management book ever — “How to Have a 48-Hour Day.”
April 5th, 2007 at 9:55 am
It was last year in August, 2006. I was unusually depressed about my situation in life: 28 years old(at the time), 60K per year gross salary, 100K in law school debt, 0 credit card debt, and 5K in total savings, and ~3K IRA. At this point in my life, I felt I should be much more stable financially. I was depressed that my school loans (over 1K per month in payments) would be with me for the balance of my time on earth. It was VERY depressing, to the point of near breakdown. But, I found some websites that gave sound personal financial advice and I get my family enrolled in direct banking with higher interest rates, auto-depositing in savings, auto depositing in my IRA and I started attacking my school loans from the “bottom up” in terms of total outstanding principal. I am nowhere near my goal, but I have a plan, I have a strategy, I COMPLETELY understand my financial situation and that is EMPOWERING! I have never before felt so intelligent about my financial well-being. I feel like I have been freed from debt slavery.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:00 am
Okay — two recommendations for Aslett’s books are enough. I’ve added them to my queue at the library.
One of the topics I had intended to write about often here was “voluntary simplicity”. The idea of having less stuff appeals to me. I can see how it would be liberating. But somehow I always acquire more stuff. And I find it difficult to let go of the stuff I already have. I need some help jump-starting this aspect of my life.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:13 am
J.D. - if you want to simplify your life and get rid of stuff/not acquire more stuff, Aslett is your man. I think I have about 10 of his books - most excellent. He is MOTIVATING which might be what you need to jump-start.
I started with this one:
Clutter Be Gone
Hard to find now (ebay). Believe it or not, I picked it up as a lark at Borders for $6 (hardbound, 400+ pages). I started reading it and couldn’t put it down.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:14 am
J.D. — Don Aslett has written TONS of books on junk, but the one you want is called “Clutter’s Last Stand.” It’s his biggest best seller ever, and it’s the one that started it all for him … it’s Aslett’s “Total Junk Makeover” if you will. Aslett’s other junk books are good, but they’re sorta just pale reflections of that first book.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:21 am
Hey Z! Email me man, Im engaged and getting married this fall. We’re spending almost nothing on our wedding but most guests wont notice it.
I’ll gladly commiserate with ya too, its alot!
stephenpopick AT gmail DOT com
April 5th, 2007 at 10:25 am
Sorry for Off-Topic message - An article on cheap weddings would be nice. I’m looking at getting married in the near future.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:26 am
I also want to say that reading the comments here is just inspiring, really, really, inspiring. Kudos to all of you
April 5th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
The year 2000 is my personal wake-up call. I had good financial role models for parents. I always saved, drove a used car, etc. A bad marriage changed all that. We “deserved” fill-in-the-blank. I made a lot of bad choices for her that I wouldn’t make for myself. Bad wife leaves in summer of 2000, while I am in the middle of a major house rehab (living room walls down to studs). Still paying off grad school loans … lawyers are not cheap (but a sloppy divorce would have been even more expensive). In October of 2000 I got down to $350 in checking - all the funds I have in my name (insert sound of air leaking from tire here). I got through that year by a severe budget, selling the car and using public transportation for 12 months, and selling the house after the rehab work was finished.
Met a better wife later, we don’t have any credit card debt, drive well-maintained used cars, buy 6-month old designer labels at Goodwill stores, and we banked her paycheck for 16 months for an emergency fund before we started planning a family. We run our family finances like a business: we have a MM account for car repairs, a no-touch MM savings account, a “rollover” MM savings account, with monthly deposits for each, and checking. The emergency fund is a MM account with IMG - they’re great. We saved for a good while so we could put over 20% down on a estate sale property who’s price dropped four times before we signed closing papers. I paid PMI on that first house - don’t ever want to do that again. Life emergencies like those above and children tend to focus the financial mind.
April 5th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
couple of mistakes from my earlier post
*affect
11k in emergency “savings”
wish we had an edit button!
April 5th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
I started caring just right after college when I started getting calls and letters from collection agencies about my credit card debt that I ignored in college. It’s not that I didn’t care about paying off my credit cards, it’s that I just didn’t have the money to pay for them.
I think it didn’t hit me what the effects are for neclecting my finances until I started thinking about wanting to save up for my home. That was when I learned about FICO scores and upon checking mine, it was depressing to see how low it was. I didn’t know anything about managing credit and the importance of it until then.
That was when I decided to take out a loan, with my Mom’s help and payoff my credit cards. You can tell that I really wasn’t educated when it came to FICO scores and credit history because I cancelled all my credit cards upon paying them off, not knowing that will hurt my credit score because I had lost valuable credit history. So don’t cancel credit cards unless it’s the only way for you not use them again.
I then caught a Suze Orman show one night while channel surfing and I was hooked. Then came books from Tobias, Bogle, etc… I’m still kicking myself for all the mistakes I made, but I’m glad that I took the step to educate myself and now in a good position to bringing my FICO score up, I’m several points away from 700 =D
April 5th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
i don’t think that anyone has mentioned having a wake-up call that happened at their desk with the realization that they hate their job. that was mine. i worked as a film producer’s assistant for a couple of years out of college, and while i was growing gradually disgruntled at the hollywood world of lavishness, egos, etc., one incident of the all-too-usual condescension from my wannabe bigshot boss made me realize that i desperately wanted a new job - and that i needed money to make the move.
i opened a “teacher fund” for 5.05% interest at hsbc and got a second job as a freelance script reader, then put every one of those paychecks into the account with the goal of saving enough to quit my job and go back to school to get my teaching credential. having the goal was motivation, and seeing the money build set off a domino effect of smarter financial decisions - with the possible exception (depending on your perspective) of pursuing a career that starts at $43k/year in the LA public school system.
additionally, for all the wedding people, i second the recommendation of indiebride.com, which has helped me immensely in planning my upcoming summer wedding. the kvetch forums are great, not just for cost-cutting ideas.
April 5th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
For me it started in sophomore year of college. My old pastor led a Bible Study on budgeting and stewardship and it was a real eye-opener. He commented how most adults in the working-world never maintain a budget and how it can often catch them by surprise. I learned that even before I ever started making an income, I ought to learn how to budget and handle my finances.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:32 am
Well there were several trigger points for me:
–As a kid in high school who desperately wanted to go to college but parents couldn’t afford to send me. I got industrious and figured out how to get through undergrad on scholarships plus financial aid/work study jobs.
–As a new college graduate who realized that a) grad school was going to be a much harder reality than undergrad because the scholarships stopped coming and b) the jobs I could get all paid peanuts. This is when the credit cards started being used, and other disasters. Stupidly, I didn’t take this opportunity to drop out of grad school for a while.
–A few years down the road, when I quit a job without a game plan because I hated it so much. I was already playing “dodge the credit card” payment and now got the opportunity to get collection agency calls too.
–Stubbornly trying to educate my way into a higher paying job (and succeeding), but doing so by taking out loads of student loans even while working full time. My salary stayed low throughout my 20s and I could barely pay my credit cards + essentials. Read the Jerrold Mundis book and Your Money or Your Life at this time.
–In my 30s, finally making more money after busting into IT, realizing that I’m the proverbial hamster on the wheel with no savings, meager retirement, massive credit cards at 25%+ interest, and a mountain of student loans. Realizing that I also hate IT work, and am trapped in it for now. Then getting laid off for 8 months. Finding a new IT job which is tolerable and I’m grateful for but not passionate about. Finding Dave Ramsey. Finding a way to start digging out of my hole.
DB
April 6th, 2007 at 1:46 am
P.S. — A follow up, especially to that last point. I really have to credit Dave Ramsey, and to a lesser extent Mary Hunt, with helping me find the right mindset, some tools, and the belief that I really could pay off my debts and save money. Love him or hate him, Dave Ramsey saved my life because I felt SO overwhelmed by my situation. When I was in my 20s, I was NOT living high on the hog. I was making some very foolish choices, yes. But I was constantly dodging late payments, bounced/NSF checks and for a while the dread phone calls. I’ve travelled for fun only 7 times in 20 years, each time relying on friends for housing or making a quick cheap weekend of it. At times I stayed in graduate school simply to keep deferring my student loans because I couldn’t afford to pay them — part of why I kept going to grad school for 10 years was to avoid the student loan. (you can run but you can’t hide).
But ultimately I never gave up and kept trying to get ahead of this. I also coped partly by denying reality and using credit cards when I could to self-medicate. It was a vicious time.
Since I’ve learned to control my finances, live by a budget, save, get all my debts at less than 5% interest, and pay crazy amounts of cash each month (I’m actually living on 1/3rd of my take-home pay and either saving or paying debt with the rest) I feel happier and better about myself. I feel disciplined. I have been so defined by my debt story for so long that I sometimes wonder who I am going to be when I finally make that final student loan payment.
DB
April 6th, 2007 at 9:36 am
After seeing the wedding posts, I have to comment.
$30k is obscene. You blew 30 thousand dollars on one day.
My wife and I got married 2 years ago for about $2000. We had a little over a 100 guests. We got married at the local bowling alley that I pretty much grew up in and where I met my wife. Slightly unorthodox, sure, but I still compliments to this day about how much fun it was to go to a wedding in a bowling alley.
Now, we did have some friends donate things. Instead of presents, our friends donated a wedding cake, DJ services, and quite a few other things.
I’m trying to say that you don’t have to follow the “traditional” wedding approach. Do something that fits the two of you, something that is unique. It will be cheaper and you and your guests will have a lot more fun.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:47 am
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April 6th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
re: wedding posts
$30k may be obscene to some. $5k may be obscene to others. a local bowling alley may be befitting to one bride and groom. a church, a beach, a mountaintop, a castle, a backyard - those may befit others, and each has its price. i don’t think it’s fair to make a blanket criticism of someone’s decision on wedding budget.
my fiance and i made a conscious decision to save money for 20 months on a regimented schedule. we’ve got 150 of our best beloved coming in from 16 states - people who have been generous to us throughout our lives in love, money, and time - and we want to roll out the red carpet for these people. they would love us if we served pb&j in a motel lobby, but that’s not what we WANT to do.
i drive an old camry with missing hupcaps and no cd player. i love books but only use the library. i’m frugal in areas that i don’t care about so that i can spend my money in areas that i do - on food, wine, and festivities with my loved ones.
April 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
For the wedding posts. There are some real easy ways to save money after having people donate items such a cake. (If you know someone who enjoys doing such things and would be happy to do it as their wedding gift to you.)
If the bride and bridemaids can find there dresses off the rack after a formal season is a great money saver. Often the gowns are up to 80% off. One of the prettiest dresses I ever saw (I worked catering through college) was a girl I had class with who got her gown at Dillard’s for $25. Another area you can save money is in the flowers and centerpieces. By buying the artificial flowers and some floral tape yourself anyone with an eye for color and balance can make the bouquets and centerpieces themselves. If your having a larger wedding make a party out of it a month before and have the people who are close to you help. I don’t know how much time you have but you can ussually find fish bowls and vases at garage sales very cheaply.
Hope this helps!
April 7th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
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April 9th, 2007 at 7:35 am
“$30k is obscene. You blew 30 thousand dollars on one day.
My wife and I got married 2 years ago for about $2000″
I would have to agree with you… you’re just as married either way. My wedding dress in 1973 cost $100. The only other thing was the cake, can’t remember how much that was.
If I had to do it over again…. I wouldn’t even have spent the money on rings, although we got ours from a hock shop for around $200.
I would get a cubic zirconia. They’re beautiful, and who would know the difference or care?
April 10th, 2007 at 7:19 am
I started caring about my finances about 20 years ago when my resume stopped getting me interviews (I had been in a dead-end near-minwage job for five years) and I realized I would probably never earn much more than minimum wage.
I had saved up $4K by the time I graduated high school in the early 1970s, and blew it on college. I mostly worked my way through school with minwage jobs, but graduated with student loan debt.
I deferred my student loan payments for several years, got a pre-approved credit card offer, and used the card to fund student loan payments, until the unsustainability of that broke my back financially. So now I have credit card debt on top of student loan debt and earn my state minimum wage.
It’s hard to get out of debt when you’re earning minimum wage.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:48 am
I was very lucky to grow up with good financial role models. My grandparents saved and provided me with an inheritance for school, which my parents managed well. I save and don’t spend more than I make. I have no debt. I feel very blessed to have the family I do.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:47 am
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April 20th, 2009 at 5:06 am
I always cared. My husband was a poor provider, so it was always up to me. I wound up with four children who are way grown now.
I learned a lot about living on a lot less, but never really started saving right until in my fifties. I started saving like a crazy person then. Now I am retired and doing ok, mainly because I had a pension.
Young people these days mostly do not have that advantage. Consider yourself fortunate if you do. I do have savings, but if put in an annuity or such, it really would be a drop in the bucket.
I can only urge all young people to save, save, save! You have no excuse, no matter what your situation. You can save SOMETHING! So what if you have to live tight and cheap? In the long run, it’ll be worth it.
JD, you’re a great role model and example.