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	<title>Comments on: When and How To Hire a Financial Planner</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-133638</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I can certainly appreciate your comments, and I am also a fee-only planner.  The focus of the post is intended to be on *actual* planning, not product sales or asset management.   Commissions are payment for a sale, not a service; financial planning is a service.  Yes, there are some financial planners that receive commissions, and yes, that does create a conflict of interest as well.  In fact, all compensation methods have the potential for conflicting interests.  I hope I made it clear that consumers of planning advice should be "mindful of potential conflicts of interest when recommendations could also stand to benefit the planner." 

Charging for financial planning based on assets under management does create a significant conflict of interest.  Financially, it is in the interest of the planner to maintain larger investment account balances; however, it is in the client's interest to convert those investment assets into real goals.  This does not mean the planner will act on hat conflict, but it is certainly there and must be disclosed as such to an consumer or potential consumer of those services.

If you re-read the post you may notice the reference *and link* to NAPFA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I can certainly appreciate your comments, and I am also a fee-only planner.  The focus of the post is intended to be on *actual* planning, not product sales or asset management.   Commissions are payment for a sale, not a service; financial planning is a service.  Yes, there are some financial planners that receive commissions, and yes, that does create a conflict of interest as well.  In fact, all compensation methods have the potential for conflicting interests.  I hope I made it clear that consumers of planning advice should be &#8220;mindful of potential conflicts of interest when recommendations could also stand to benefit the planner.&#8221; </p>
<p>Charging for financial planning based on assets under management does create a significant conflict of interest.  Financially, it is in the interest of the planner to maintain larger investment account balances; however, it is in the client&#8217;s interest to convert those investment assets into real goals.  This does not mean the planner will act on hat conflict, but it is certainly there and must be disclosed as such to an consumer or potential consumer of those services.</p>
<p>If you re-read the post you may notice the reference *and link* to NAPFA.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Pignone</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-133603</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Pignone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Fee Only Advisor with over 30 years experience, you continue to perpetuate the misconception of Financial Planners.  You make no mention of the Fee Only National Association of Personal Financial Advisors but yet you "caution" readers about advisors who charge percentage of Assets under Management as a "conflict of interest"?  What about Commission Planners who receive 15% commission on the sale of annuities, and after 5 years, rollove them over again?  Annuity salepeople are who you should be cautioning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Fee Only Advisor with over 30 years experience, you continue to perpetuate the misconception of Financial Planners.  You make no mention of the Fee Only National Association of Personal Financial Advisors but yet you &#8220;caution&#8221; readers about advisors who charge percentage of Assets under Management as a &#8220;conflict of interest&#8221;?  What about Commission Planners who receive 15% commission on the sale of annuities, and after 5 years, rollove them over again?  Annuity salepeople are who you should be cautioning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Which Investments Are Best for a Roth IRA? ? Get Rich Slowly</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-90493</link>
		<dc:creator>Which Investments Are Best for a Roth IRA? ? Get Rich Slowly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After reading this article, many people will still be uncomfortable making their own investment decisions. There&#8217;s no shame in this. For these people, I recommend speaking with a financial advisor. My wife does this, and it makes her much happier than if she were to pick investments on her own. Earlier this year, I published a reader question about finding a financial advisor. In April, Dylan shared a guest entry explaining when and how to hire a financial planner. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After reading this article, many people will still be uncomfortable making their own investment decisions. There&#8217;s no shame in this. For these people, I recommend speaking with a financial advisor. My wife does this, and it makes her much happier than if she were to pick investments on her own. Earlier this year, I published a reader question about finding a financial advisor. In April, Dylan shared a guest entry explaining when and how to hire a financial planner. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sfgal</title>
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		<dc:creator>sfgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My CPA is also a CFP but he doesn't practice so he wasn't really helpful when I asked specific questions about my retirement savings. 

Btw, I was at an event called "generation debt" in SF and one of the panelists mentioned your site as one she frequents regularly for advice. keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My CPA is also a CFP but he doesn&#8217;t practice so he wasn&#8217;t really helpful when I asked specific questions about my retirement savings. </p>
<p>Btw, I was at an event called &#8220;generation debt&#8221; in SF and one of the panelists mentioned your site as one she frequents regularly for advice. keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-84625</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "when" is usually when you are no longer comfortable doing the work yourself, or it could be anytime you want a double-check on your own work.  It is difficult to assign a specific dollar amount, age, or event that indicates it's time to hire a planner because every situation is unique.

The presence of a conflict of interest does not necessarily mean that someone will act on it, but is it still important for both parties to acknowledge its existence and *potential* to influence actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;when&#8221; is usually when you are no longer comfortable doing the work yourself, or it could be anytime you want a double-check on your own work.  It is difficult to assign a specific dollar amount, age, or event that indicates it&#8217;s time to hire a planner because every situation is unique.</p>
<p>The presence of a conflict of interest does not necessarily mean that someone will act on it, but is it still important for both parties to acknowledge its existence and *potential* to influence actions.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyChangesThings</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-84619</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyChangesThings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought of another side benefit of working with a financial planner. You have to get all your accounts and paper work ORGANIZED for the meeting!  That alone is a huge accomplishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of another side benefit of working with a financial planner. You have to get all your accounts and paper work ORGANIZED for the meeting!  That alone is a huge accomplishment.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-84614</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I'd had this advice before I entered into some of the agreements I'm currently bound to.  I'm sure most planners out in the market are there to help...unfortunately, I ran into salespeople pushing products early on, and fell into their trap.  While I'm not totally dissatisfied with what I ended up with (whole life insurance, disability insurance, etc), I feel like the products aren't really competitive in the marketplace, and the funds I invested in are all loaded.  I've since learned from my early mistakes.

Hindsight's always 20/20, but planning is priceless.  I hope people take this article to heart before signing up with a planner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I&#8217;d had this advice before I entered into some of the agreements I&#8217;m currently bound to.  I&#8217;m sure most planners out in the market are there to help&#8230;unfortunately, I ran into salespeople pushing products early on, and fell into their trap.  While I&#8217;m not totally dissatisfied with what I ended up with (whole life insurance, disability insurance, etc), I feel like the products aren&#8217;t really competitive in the marketplace, and the funds I invested in are all loaded.  I&#8217;ve since learned from my early mistakes.</p>
<p>Hindsight&#8217;s always 20/20, but planning is priceless.  I hope people take this article to heart before signing up with a planner.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbuddha</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-84612</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbuddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HERE is in my opinion the 4 best tips in picking a good financial adviser.

1. The planner will only initially talk about STRATEGY, as in cashflow management, are your investments or potential investments structured in the most tax effective way, do you have estate planning issues and personal insurance in place

2. The planner discusses how these STRATEGIES, will effect your lifestyle, will sacrifices need to be made or just minor tweaks or enhancements

3. The planner should have appropriate education ie CFP is ideal or at least a long history of being in the industry usually 10 plus years is good. I've been a professional adviser for a number of years, planners who don't have adequate knowledge/education can hide for a number of years but in the long haul will always get caught out, either because they themselves get conned into providing bad advice to their clients via dodgy investments or they are "negligent" in giving bad advice.

4. Only after the first 3 have been appropriately dealt with should the FINANCIAL Planner talk about actual "Products", as in mutual/managed fund types, direct shares, property, reits those types of things.

REMEMBER .... STRATEGIES always come first .... Products always come LAST!!!!!! GOOD planners always do it in this order no matter what ... anything else and they are just salesman!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HERE is in my opinion the 4 best tips in picking a good financial adviser.</p>
<p>1. The planner will only initially talk about STRATEGY, as in cashflow management, are your investments or potential investments structured in the most tax effective way, do you have estate planning issues and personal insurance in place</p>
<p>2. The planner discusses how these STRATEGIES, will effect your lifestyle, will sacrifices need to be made or just minor tweaks or enhancements</p>
<p>3. The planner should have appropriate education ie CFP is ideal or at least a long history of being in the industry usually 10 plus years is good. I&#8217;ve been a professional adviser for a number of years, planners who don&#8217;t have adequate knowledge/education can hide for a number of years but in the long haul will always get caught out, either because they themselves get conned into providing bad advice to their clients via dodgy investments or they are &#8220;negligent&#8221; in giving bad advice.</p>
<p>4. Only after the first 3 have been appropriately dealt with should the FINANCIAL Planner talk about actual &#8220;Products&#8221;, as in mutual/managed fund types, direct shares, property, reits those types of things.</p>
<p>REMEMBER &#8230;. STRATEGIES always come first &#8230;. Products always come LAST!!!!!! GOOD planners always do it in this order no matter what &#8230; anything else and they are just salesman!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mama's Money</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-84606</link>
		<dc:creator>Mama's Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, the question of "when" is in any or all of the following circumstances:

1) Early on, to help set up a plan if you either don't know a lot, or wonder if you have too much money for everything to just sit in an index or money market fund. 

2) Every ~5 years to get a reality check on your progress and make sure your asset allocation and risk level is still appropriate.

3) Around major life events, like marriage, having kids, starting your own business, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, the question of &#8220;when&#8221; is in any or all of the following circumstances:</p>
<p>1) Early on, to help set up a plan if you either don&#8217;t know a lot, or wonder if you have too much money for everything to just sit in an index or money market fund. </p>
<p>2) Every ~5 years to get a reality check on your progress and make sure your asset allocation and risk level is still appropriate.</p>
<p>3) Around major life events, like marriage, having kids, starting your own business, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Gran</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-84603</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane Gran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to offer up two technical nits to an otherwise excellent article:

1) When the author says "As a percentage of assets the planner is managing (caution: this one has a built in conflict of interest)" this may not be true.  If you are working with a Registered Investment Adviser they have a fiduciary duty to you even when they are paid according to assets under management.  Anything potentially resembling a conflict of interest is disclosed in their ADV-II forms.

2) The author correctly notes that an RIA is a fiduciary, but it may help to know that the employees of the firm are referred to as Investment Adviser Representatives and they have the same fiduciary duty as the firm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to offer up two technical nits to an otherwise excellent article:</p>
<p>1) When the author says &#8220;As a percentage of assets the planner is managing (caution: this one has a built in conflict of interest)&#8221; this may not be true.  If you are working with a Registered Investment Adviser they have a fiduciary duty to you even when they are paid according to assets under management.  Anything potentially resembling a conflict of interest is disclosed in their ADV-II forms.</p>
<p>2) The author correctly notes that an RIA is a fiduciary, but it may help to know that the employees of the firm are referred to as Investment Adviser Representatives and they have the same fiduciary duty as the firm.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping for something on "when" to hire a financial planner as your title suggested.  I get hit up by financial advisors and every now and then CFP's. At my age and with my relitively small about of money, I can't see why not just do it myself.  Afterall, I'm a smart guy with a great career and education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping for something on &#8220;when&#8221; to hire a financial planner as your title suggested.  I get hit up by financial advisors and every now and then CFP&#8217;s. At my age and with my relitively small about of money, I can&#8217;t see why not just do it myself.  Afterall, I&#8217;m a smart guy with a great career and education.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-84601</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's another reason to use a financial planner: they motivate you to do what you need to do. I basically forced my husband (we weren't married at the time) to visit one and even though we didn't like the guy's recommendations, his constant phone calls and pressure to buy this or that fund finally was enough to urge my husband to do what he needed to do, which was not follow the planner's advice and instead follow his own instincts. But he would have just procrastinated the decision if the planner hadn't been involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another reason to use a financial planner: they motivate you to do what you need to do. I basically forced my husband (we weren&#8217;t married at the time) to visit one and even though we didn&#8217;t like the guy&#8217;s recommendations, his constant phone calls and pressure to buy this or that fund finally was enough to urge my husband to do what he needed to do, which was not follow the planner&#8217;s advice and instead follow his own instincts. But he would have just procrastinated the decision if the planner hadn&#8217;t been involved.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyChangesThings</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/04/24/when-and-how-do-you-hire-a-financial-planner/#comment-84600</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyChangesThings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working with an independent financial planner is a great investment for couples.  Finances are a huge source of tension between partners, much of which is undiscussed.  Most of us just have the same money disagreements over and over.  "he is too cheap" vs "she is too extravagant" or "she is obsessed with security" and "he is irresponsible".  Working with a skilled, neutral outsider you can come up with a plan you can both live with and goals which address each partner's issues.  A very nice side benefit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working with an independent financial planner is a great investment for couples.  Finances are a huge source of tension between partners, much of which is undiscussed.  Most of us just have the same money disagreements over and over.  &#8220;he is too cheap&#8221; vs &#8220;she is too extravagant&#8221; or &#8220;she is obsessed with security&#8221; and &#8220;he is irresponsible&#8221;.  Working with a skilled, neutral outsider you can come up with a plan you can both live with and goals which address each partner&#8217;s issues.  A very nice side benefit!</p>
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