I’m planning to give a talk to a group of graduating college seniors later this month. One point I’d like to make is that it’s important to love your work. Nobody should work at a job they hate.
This is common advice, of course, but I also hear people say that it’s okay to work at a crummy job if it’s a stepping stone toward a larger goal. For example, yesterday Penelope at the Brazen Careerist wrote that you shouldn’t change careers for any of the following reasons:
- You hate your boss.
- You want more prestige.
- You want to meet new people.
- You want more meaning in life. (Penelope argues that “a job does not give life meaning”.)
- You want more happiness. (Penelope says that the connection between a good job and happiness is overrated”.)
I frowned when I read those last two points. As somebody who has spent the past fifteen years in a job he hates, I can attest that especially if you derive meaning from life outside work, non-meaningful work can be crushing. I get decent pay, good benefits, and a chance to work with my family, but because I don’t like the job itself, I’m unhappy. I’m actively attempting to change careers to something I love — writing — and I would encourage any young person to do the same.
Here’s some related reading:
- Paul Graham: “How to do what you love”, a piece I’ve been wanting to discuss ever since I started this site.
- San Francisco Gate: Why do you work so hard? “Is it maybe time to quit your safe job and follow your path and infuriate the establishment?”
- Entrepreneur: Do what you love; get rich
- I’ve just begun reading The 4-Hour Workweek, which touches on some of these issues. (Look for a review soon.)
What sort of advice would you offer to a young person just entering the work force? What’s the most important thing to look for in a job? Is money the top priority? Job satisfaction?
Is it better to be in a job you love that barely pays the rent, or to be making a fortune in a job that sucks your soul out and spits it on the floor? How can you tell what you love when you’re just starting out?
Correction: As a couple of you have pointed out, I did a lousy job of noticing that Penelope makes a distinction between a job and a career. My bad. The core question remains, despite my lack of reading comprehension.
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The question I always ask is: What is the purpose of work? Is it to make money or to have fun. My guess is that if it was just to have fun, you would be doing something on your own not dealing with the 9-5, long commutes and possible bad managers. If it is to make money, then you deal with it.
The reason to work is to make money. If you like your job, its a bonus.
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To be fair, it looks like she draws a distinction between changing jobs and changing careers, which are, of course, different things. One bad boss doesn’t necessarily mean you’re in the wrong career.
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I think an important distinction to make is the article is about not changing CAREERS for specific reasons. Jobs are not the same as careers.
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Golden handcuffs are still just that – handcuffs. Like a Morlock, I had trouble breaking free; it took 15 years. With each successive job, the satisfaction dropped (often, the money did too). I’m with you J.D. on the last 2 points.
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I don’t think there’s a one-size-fits-all answer. Some people find that money is its own reward, I’ve had jobs in bad situations where it’s paid to ride out a negative work situation until changes made the job much more palatable, and there are those who develop stress-related health issues when trying to work at a job they don’t enjoy.
I think the question that needs to be posed is: Is there a part of you that defines who you are by your job? If so, how big is that part? If the answer is no, then by all means enjoy that paycheck. If the answer is yes, you’ll need to determine the mental and physical burden you’ll be experiencing by working in a situation you don’t enjoy.
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I think it’s a mix. You need to make money of course, but don’t pick a job you hate just because you make good money, it’s not worth it. You don’t want to spend 5 days a week miserable, believe me. I also think that it depends on the work itself.
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After 3 years of graduate school and then 10 years as a school psychologist, I took a second job at the public library 4 blocks away from my house. After a year of working both jobs, I realized how much more I loved the library work. Even though it meant another year of graduate school and cutting my salary almost in half, I quit my school job and became a librarian. It’s been 5 years now, and I don’t regret it. Sometimes I miss my summers off, and yeah, it would be great to make more money. But it’s been liberating to find out that I can live quite happily on little money, and wake up happy about my job. I love what I do, and I believe in it. My work in the schools was monotonous and often discouraging, and many times it was questionable whether I was helping the kids at all within the limits of public education.
Live and learn. I wish I had known all this when I started out, but it took experience and luck for me to find my true calling.
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It’s all about goals, J.D. The big question is what do you want out of life, and that’s not an easy question to answer for a lot of people. It took me twenty eight years to really figure it out.
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Donald Trump says,
“Don’t spend a single minute working for a job you don’t like. Life is too short”
- Donald Trump, Think like a billionaire.
- Bryan
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I tend to tell my kids, that they should live as though “today” is the last day of their life. They should smile more. Share more. Care more. And do things they love more. This is a fulfilling life.
Money is a tool, not the answer. Happiness is EVERYTHING.
That does not mean that I feel a person should float around, job to job. I still believe if you take on a commitment to work for someone, you should give it your all for them. They own your time, when they give those checks.
I do believe that if you think today is the last day, do you feel content with where you are? Were you the best that you can be? Do you feel that you left a mark? Do you wake up excite by the prospect of a new day?
I am tired right now, but I am thrilled to wake up and work towards my future. I enjoy the people I come across and interact with. Yes, I could make more money elsewhere. But I wouldn’t be nearly as happy.
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I would avoid the job I hate at all costs. Do what you love and what your passionate about. Personal fulfillment at the end of the day brings happiness that money can’t buy. Hopefully will loads of passion and fulfillment the money will follow.
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This is a topic near to my heart. I switched from being a business consultant to being a librarian around two and a half years ago. These days I make almost exactly half of what I used to before I went to library school.
To a point, I agree with the assertions Penelope makes. Most careers cannot create large positive changes in regards to happiness or meaning. I don’t think there is a career out there that would make me happy in and by itself.
What she seems to have overlooked is that a “bad” career can have a substantial negative impact on these same things. It can be a major obstacle towards happiness, but removing or bypassing it doesn’t mean you’ll be happy or feel like you have meaning.
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I think one thing to consider is not having a “career”. I think in a lot of ways that puts pressure on you to climb ladders, accept more responsibility than you want, and overall drains the joy out of life. I think people should find a level of work, responsibility and reward that suits them, and change jobs as necessary to maintain that.
Of course, for recent grads, most of them are not going to be at their ideal level in their first job. For a first job I would go with paying the bills. It’s not going to last forever.
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My well being is far more important to me than money.
All the things I have ever hated about a job have been the same–crummy management, crummy environment, crappy commute, and icky people. The actual tasks involved in a job were never really a problem.
Now I work from home, I manage my own self, and I have no commute. I only have to deal with dorky doctors who refuse to enunciate. I can deal with that.
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Hmmm… I’ve always thought that there is a reason that work is called work and not called fun. I think if you can find a good career that provides security, good pay, good benefits and you enjoy it (most of the time) that is the best scenario.
I got my undergraduate degree in psychology. If got a “do over” for college I think I probably would select a degree that required more effort, resulted in a higher technical skill level and paid more. I loved psychology and I loved working in mental health but earning $16,000 (yes it was 10 years ago, but it was still poverty wages with a college degree) a year as a case worker for a non-profit doesn’t cut it. I went back to school to get a professional degree and now make a heck of lot more money in a demanding job that I generally enjoy but eats up a considerable amount of time.
I think ‘happiness’ is more about making a decision to by happy or to enjoy life, I don’t think happiness comes from work, a relationship, etc. I thinks its an internal state of being.
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okay now i really want to quit my job after reading all that =/
my only problem is finding a backup plan and more sources of income..
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Happiness is important to me. But it’s important to consider that money affords me many of the things that make me happy: shelter, food, clothing, travel, early retirement, living in an expensive city and so on. When I was finishing my MBA, I got very frustrated with career coaches who wanted me to focus on the kind of work that makes me happy. I had done an English degree and gone into writing because it made me happy. However, I was not very happy earning peanuts, so I switched to high tech marketing. After my MBA, I was willing to switch to any kind of high-paying work that would use my strengths. I really found career coaches were unable to comprehend this. Yes, I like writing. But I can use writing in a variety of contexts and it doesn’t have to be the main focus of my work. In fact, I happen to excel at numerical analysis, project management, deadline management, financial management, business planning and the like. I could have just as easily done my undergrad in engineering or have gone into medicine. There are a lot of things I like to do. I don’t have to do what I love for my main job focus.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I’ve quit jobs I’ve hated. I’ve left companies when I didn’t like my boss. I wouldn’t stay somewhere that made me miserable. But there are a lot of things I like to do and, as long as I like the company, co-workers and mny boss, I can handle most work.
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I have watched many friends give up things they love for a job/career they hate, only for money. I can’t imagine working for 40+ years in a field I really have no interest in. I would go nuts.
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I can’t speak for anyone else, but at the age of 24, I’ve already gone through three different careers:
12-18: Multiplayer game designer and project leader
18-21: freelance writer and technical writer
21-24: full-time real estate investor and developer
The first time I changed careers, I did it for moral reasons, thinking I would have more self respect if I did something other than design products to addict teenagers. The second time I changed careers, I did it for money, tired of making enough to scrape by on.
Right now I’m in the process of making a fourth career change to become a full-time educator and philanthropist. The funny thing is, I’m no more happy than I was as a game designer, even though I’m doing things I believe in and I’m making almost 20 times my game designer salary.
Personally, I think everyone has a happiness threshold that they’ll gravitate to. Naturally happy people have a tendency to stay happy, even if they go through a period of unhappiness. Naturally unhappy people have a tendency to stay unhappy, even if they go through a brief period of happiness.
I think it’s partially due to genetics and partially due to ingrained belief systems that govern your response to the world. You could potentially change the latter to increase your happiness threshold, but it would require an intense period of change and absolute commitment to redefine yourself.
Still, I think you have to ask yourself, is happiness your ultimate objective? For me, it’s not. I’m more committed to living a life of consequence, to redefining what people believe is possible, and to becoming a person that consistently reaches for his fullest potential. If achieving that objective means sacrificing my happiness, then I’m willing to make the trade.
Then again, it hasn’t. I’m one of the happiest people you’ll ever meet.
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Oh wow! Finally a topic I can really add to.
Have you heard of Utah Phillips? He’s a modern day Socrates, and here are two quotations from him I always have on hand to talk about employment.
**on being unemployed**
I realized long ago the only life I had was the life of my mind. So what sense did it make to hand that mind over for eight hours a day to someone else for their use on the presumption that at the end of the day they would hand it back in an unmutilated condition? Fat chance!
**his speech to graduating collegiates**
The trade commissioner was supposed to speak after me. I got to the podium and something snapped. I said, you are about to be told one more time that you are America’s most natural resource. Have you seen what America does to it’s natural resources? Have you seen a clear cut in the forest? They’re going to strip mine your soul, they’re going to clear cut your conscience all for the sake of a greasy buck–unless you learn to resist, because the profit system follows the path of least resistance, and following the path of least resistance is what makes a river CROOKED!
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Unless the job you love doesn’t pay enough to cover your bills, always take the job that makes you happier. The money will come over time. It’s also easier to get by with less if you’re happier at work.
If you must take a job you don’t like for money, have a plan so you don’t become miserable. Something like “I’ll work here for 2 years until I have $X saved up and then get a job at X company doing what I like.”
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Q. Is a great job with great pay impossible?
A. Ask anybody who is passionate about their job and you will find they are not mutually exclusive and there is no tradeoff.
What you do for a living is the second most important decision you will ever make, do lots of research.
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(Ha! I’m a mumbling doctor, Allie, sorry!)
It’s hard to think of how you can say it to a group of graduating kids who think they’ve made it to the start of their “real lives”, but I think the most important message anyone can hear (over and over again) is, this is not the only choice. There are always other choices, it’s just a matter of deciding whether you are willing to make the sacrifices required to get to them.
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My advice for new grads is this:
If you know what you want straight out of school, go and do it. It’s better to fail earlier than later. But if you don’t know what you want, just find a job that you’re qualified for and that you can tolerate, so when you do figure out what it is that interests you, you’ll have some savings to fall back on.
I graduated recently myself (a year back) and took a job that intrigued me “just to see what happens”. So far, it’s working out pretty well, and I’m able to keep my ears open for new opportunities.
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JD:
I totally agree with the principle of this, and yet I really needed to take this job, and I need to stick it out just a little longer even though its far from my passion.
The thing is, I need this sort of salary to get out of debt. I could make a lateral move and just change doing the same thing I hate for a different company. I could also change fields altogether, but that pretty much would mean either more education expenses or a salary cut. I realize this is partly perceptual on my part and I’m working on that.
So this is the meaning of the phrase “debt is slavery”. To the extent that you aren’t free of debt, you also aren’t as free with your choices. Still, I hope to within the next few years free myself from my present career.
At the same time, I’m INCREDIBLY thankful for this career of mine which has provided me a good tool against my debt.
DB
P.S. Being a librarian is at the top of my wish list for jobs. I just wish I didn’t need yet another graduate degree for it, and that I had treated my first opportuninty to go to library school better.
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I would say this: “Look for your spouse to be the breadwinner so you can screw around and do whatever you want without money being a concern. Just make sure you keep the spouse happy.”
Honestly though, I prefer my volunteering to what I get paid to do, and probably would do it for compensation if it were possible. However, if I were in a position where I had to work to make ends meet, I’d go for the biggest salary I could get and tuck as much of it away as possible before finding something else to do that was more fulfilling.
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Well, what I’ve observed is most people bitch and moan about WHATEVER job they have … they can switch jobs a 100 x and they’ll still bitch about every one of ‘em, hehehe. You know, they’d just rather be drinking banana daiquiris and keeping up with the latest developments on American Idol. I think the bottom line is most people just don’t like work, period. I just got back home from a 16-hour work day doing maintenance work at various buildings, which doesn’t equal “The Meaning of Life” for me or whatever, but the pay is decent, and the financial problems that go with a crappy-paying but “fun” job can produce an even more dreadful set of circumstances than the “boring,” “hated” job. Work is work, that’s why you’re paid to do it … I think the important thing is not so much what an individual chooses to do but rather that an individual simply WANTS to work.
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I agree that, in the long run, it’s best for many people (such as myself) to choose a job (and career) that first and foremost fulfills the intellect, emotions, etc. It’s true that work doesn’t always have to be fun, but unless there are no other options, it shouldn’t be drudgery, either. For people with a choice, it’s probably usually best to go with the opportunity that is more stimulating and meaningful.
But there are some advantages to spending some time doing drudgery, too. Often, in order for us to know what we really want, we have to experience something that forces us to examine ourselves and our values. For example, a friend of mine working in the NYC legal industry (“mill”) for several years after graduating from law school, and it eventually pushed him to resign, recoup, and search for a different job (and a slightly modified legal career) with a lower-paying but really cool institution. He probably would never have gotten there had it not been for the times of drudgery, burnout, and transformation.
Sometimes we don’t know what we really want until we really don’t have it. The important thing is to be flexible enough to call it quits before it’s too late, and to realize that even an experience of professional drudgery may leave a legacy of developed skills, better self-knowledge, increased contacts, less debt, and other benefits. In effect, I’m not sure if the right advice is so much “to do what you love,” as that will change over time. I would more likely advise students to pursue what they love, or to pursue work that allows them to do what they love on the side. I would also urge them to reassess regularly what they want out of work and life, and to embrace change whenever work begins to squeeze the life out of life. Some will react by seeking work that’s fun; others will seek tolerable work that undergirds a fabulous existence away from the office. Both are legitimate options.
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I’ve ALWAYS maintained – and I’m only 27 – that if a job sucks, regardless how much you’re making, drop it like a sack of hot shit. (Unless you’re screwed into it by financial overcommitment, but then the moment you’re good, run.)
If you’re not enjoying your work, you’re doing it wrong.
I’m fine as I am. I make enough to live comfortably – I’m certainly not even approaching well off, but I’ve got enough to eat well, pay the bills, and have the occasional bit of fun. And that’s more than enough for me, because I’m in a career – and job(s) – I enjoy, by and large.
In short:
Job satisfaction > money
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In my 30 years of toil,I have never had either money or job satisfaction. Therefore my choice is (for me at least) a no-brainer.
I have become accustomed and resigned to not having money. In fact, my aspirations have been repressed to the point that even if I somehow came into a windfall, I cannot think of anything I would want to run out and buy.
But I have never become accustomed to job dissatisfaction, so I’d be thrilled just to have job satisfaction for a change.
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@RJ:
“Often, in order for us to know what we really want, we have to experience something that forces us to examine ourselves and our values.”
Exactly!
I think so much of this is perceptual. I think the extent to which you are beaten by a less-than-ideal job situation that makes you miserable is the extent to which you’ve stopped trying to USE it to springboard into something better.
Even if the effort is slow in coming, if you can envision a better day (and even how to today helps you lay the foundation for tomorrow) then you’re doing alright.
The difference between where I am today (in a tolerable-yet-not-ideal job) and where I was several years ago when I moved heaven and earth to get out of an intolerable job are proof that you can do the right thing either quitting or sticking with a job you don’t love.
DB
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I am not going to spend 37.5 hours a week doing a job that I hate and that makes the world a worse place. What would be the point?
Those who said that doing something you don’t like can have a huge negative impact are right.
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One can’t make even a decent income doing the things I love to do.
You work in the coal mines because the money earned can bless others — especially your family. There’s always hope that the kids can attain something better. They might not get dinner if I do what I enjoy.
Work stinks, but if you don’t work, you don’t eat.
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It’s not just job satisfaction, it’s LIFE satisfaction. I left a 70 hour a week job, and my wife went down to two days a week – we took a serious cut in pay! But this past year has been just awesome – totally worth every penny we gave away.
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At least for me a boss sets the tone of an office. If he’s an incompetent you’re going to be frustrated in all you do. If he’s a taskmaster you’d better like that. If he’s hands-off you’d better be able to keep yourself paced. Know what kind of boss you need, and try to seek them out. Fortunately I love my career, but I have found myself in a job or two that didn’t satisfy me, and at least for me it’s always been because of the boss.
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While I rarely agree with Andrea on many points, I’m going to have to second her on this one. Sure, if you absolutely hate a job, leave it…otherwise, the pain goes away at payday.
Find something that pays well, and stick with it. The reason you’re working is to make money…make the most of your time.
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To me it’s a little less binary than money or like job.
There are those lucky few who actually really do like their jobs. Lucky lucky!!
For the rest of us it’s a Faustian deal in which we may be staying for the money, though we don’t like what we are doing.
If we are staying for the money, it’s absolutely necessary to have an exit plan, which always means taking care of our financial selves first.
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“What’s the most important thing to look for in a job? Is money the top priority? Job satisfaction?”
STOP the Madness!!! This is NOT — I repeat, NOT an “either/or” situation or a zero-sum game. Happiness and Money are BOTH the most important thing, and you shouldn’t settle unless you’re satisfied with both aspects. If you do find a job that makes you happy but pays poorly, and you justify that job using the “money isn’t everything” argument — you’re going to be poor (or “just getting by”) for the rest of your life. If that doesn’t bother you, fine. But there are plenty of job/careers in the world that will provide both happiness and money. Why settle for less?
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If it were fun, could we still call it work?
To me, my job (work) is just something I tolerate (don’t love it, don’t hate it) so that I can pay the bills. It isn’t my passion or my hobby, and I don’t want it to be. Once a hobby becomes the daily grind (to make a living), it usually loses some of its enjoyability.
Real life begins after 3:00 PM for me… and, in general, I can leave the worries of work behind and enjoy the things that really matter in life.
And money? Well, it is what it is… as long as I have afternoons and evenings to spend with my family, I will get by on whatever the business allows me to.
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I’m 38 and on my 3rd career (if you call interning in corrections & the army previous careers). I loved my current job until I was transferred. They are now “forcing” me to use code I was never trained in. I’ve tried to train myself to no avail.
So over the past year I have been taking classes as an elementary teacher. I realize the nasty pitfalls but it is what I’d like to do. Slowly, I’ve also come to the realization that I would prefer to work as a teacher’s aide at less than 1/2 my current salary than to continue what I do, feeling horribly incompetent.
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This is a hard post to read because I’m currently considering refocusing my energies away from my life long dream (a career in opera/classical music) for something with more stability and consistent money. While I truly love singing, have had considerable success for my age and I probably won’t be better at anything else in my life, I just don’t think I can handle the stress of never knowing when the next paycheck is going to come – even once you’ve done the work! I have financial goals right now that make such a positive impact on my life that I don’t want to give them up. I never thought I would see my priorities shift away from music to financial stability but I think it’s happening…
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Many of the people who talk about switching to more satisfying jobs first worked unsatisfying but better-paying jobs, and are doing so with the benefit of several years’ wealth those jobs provide, such as perhaps the downpayment on the house they’re living in. I went right into my lower paying but enjoyable job, and while I do love my work, I also realize that I’ll probably be living in a one bedroom apartment until I’m 40 and paying my student loans until I’m 50, which isn’t very satisfying.
If you’re just starting out in life and not switching careers once the , there’s a real tradeoff, and if I could do it over again, I would either have done something boring but profitable for a few years, or at least done more to prepare myself mentally and financially for how little I would be making my first several years in the job I love.
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It really depends. There are some jobs which you neither love nor hate but give you enough time and money to pursue the things you love. There are others where you’re absolutely hating every moment. There are also some situations in which you simply cannot afford to lose a job even if you hate. I’m not really sure if you can come up with absolutes here.
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I don’t see a contradiction between this article and Penelope’s. Moving towards a dream or a goal is a wonderful thing to do.
Her article seems to warn against negative motivations based on vague senses of wanting more. A job certainly won’t give your life meaning. But if you have developed a life meaning (your dreams, goals, beliefs and values) then I really think that you should try and align your entire life with it.
I say the best carrots to chase are the ones you’ve tied to your own head. Having dreams can make the humdrum jobs more tolerable.
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I think job satisfction is an excellent goal, but we must also realize that the Universe may not be currently paying top dollar for the skills you particularly want to practise. There needs to be some consideration of the value of your skills to the marketplace, as well as to yourself. I have apost entitled “Follow Your Bliss – Off a Cliff!” here:
http://successbooks.blogspot.com/2006/11/success-methodologies-follow-your.html
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My 2 cents and advice:
1) In my organization, the people right out of college or graduate school are VERY interested in the VALUE of the work that they are doing. Money, prestige, and even happiness seem to be secondary. Of particular value for most relates to sustainable actions and the slowing down of global warming.
2) I have worked for 23 straight years pursuing extrinsic value (i.e. money) through my work. For most of that time I have been reasonably happy. Unfortunately, I am currently facing severe burnout. It is a very unsettling and difficult position to find oneself in. I encourage everyone, particularly those working for money first, to learn about burnout and recognize its symptoms. It will save you a lot of pain and discomfort if you are prepared before it sets in.
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As a two-year post-grad still at my first job (versus career), I hold 3 truths dear: (1) I will not stay in my current industry; (2) I’m not happy at my job and the field overall; and (3) As someone already commented above, my life starts at 3pm.
But “WHY?” you may ask when you hear that I labored at a job for which I obviously have no passion (or much liking even) for two years. I’m 25, I don’t have any debts, and I’m a college grad. Why would I sacrifice two years and counting to a job I dislike?
Because it allows me to save $ and accomplish my savings & other financial goals, unlike that Other, “dream” job, which would cut my paycheck in half…provided I could find a job in that field after further studies. That’s the dream that’s kept me at my current job for 2 years. And, trust me, this is not where a starry-eyed new grad pictured herself two years ago.
So my advice to new grads is this: If you find a career that you’re passionate about, full speed! But if you need a few “jobs” before that career, that’s okay too…more than a few of us are right there with you. =)
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I think (not that anyone cares) that happiness comes from within. Some of the happiest kids I’ve known literally live on top of garbage, and some of the saddest adults I know are among the weathiest 1% of human beings. The place she is coming from for the last two points is that happiness and meaning comes from attitude, not always looking to the external things to give meaning and happiness. If you are always thinking, “I’ll be happy/my life will have meaning when some condition is met,” there will always be some new condition to meet.
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Hi. JD, thanks for linking to Brazen Careerist. It’s fun to read all the comments about this post. One of the things that I think is really important about this discussion is that our disposition — how optimistic we are — has more impact than anything on how we view our job, our career, our money, etc.
If only we could use our money to buy optimism
Penelope
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i think the you should have fun with working a good job that it pays good to live.i mean you can’t live your life with sadness
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