My friend Gillian called the other day — she’s been having money trouble and was looking for help. “I’m not really a financial advisor,” I told her. “I write about money, and I try to help people at my web site, but I’m not qualified to coach you one-on-one.” Still, she’s a friend, so I resolved to at least give her some advice. I asked her to explain the situation.
“Tom and I are working all the time, but we’re always broke. He just wrecked his car, but we don’t have money to get it repaired. We’ll have to use the credit cards again. We don’t have any other choice. There’s never anything left at the end of the month,” she said. “I need some help budgeting so that we don’t keep having this problem.”
“Well, let’s see what we can do. I guess the best place to start is with your monthly income and your monthly expenses. How much do you and Tom bring home each month?” I asked.
“About $4,000 after taxes.” That was about what I expected.
“How much do you spend?” I asked.
“All of it,” she said, laughing. I expected that, too.
“How much do you have saved?” I asked. “Do you have any savings at all?”
“No, we don’t,” she said. “There’s never been anything left over to save.”
They don’t have anything left to save because they’re very good at spending money. Gillian and Tom live well:
- They have a nice custom-built home.
- Each of them drives a late model SUV.
- They have no kids.
- They enjoy expensive hobbies.
I have friends who make half what Gillian and Tom do, but have built a nest egg because they maintain a frugal lifestyle. It should be easy for these two to reduce their spending to create a budget surplus. “Well, let’s see if we can find a way to free up some cash,” I said. “Let’s list your fixed monthly expenses.”
Gillian listed their bills one-by-one. I jotted them down, making note of anything that seemed particularly extravagant. “Okay, let’s see what we have,” I said. “You’re paying a housekeeper $50 a week. If you were to clean the house yourself, you’d save $200 a month.”
“But…” she began.
“I think you’d be surprised at how much difference $200 a month can make,” I said. “I know from experience that even a $50 positive cash flow can make the difference between feeling broke and feeling flush. A $200 difference is huge.”
“Yeah,” said Gillian, “but I don’t want to clean the house. It’s too much work.” I was puzzled. To me, this was a quick and obvious way to free up money. If I were in her shoes, the housekeeper would be the first thing to go — it would be worth some extra work on my part. I tried a different approach.
“You each have a cell phone,” I said. “Do you both need one?”
“Yes,” said Gillian. “I don’t know what I’d do without one. And Tom needs one for work. I need to be able to reach him.”
Her reasoning seemed thin, but I pressed on. “Well, what about the cable bill,” I said. “You’re paying $60 a month for that. That’s an easy one. What about cutting back to basic cable?”
“Oh, we can’t get rid of cable,” Gillian said. “We watch TV all the time.” I was silent. “Are you there?” she asked.
“I’m here,” I said. “I’m just trying to figure out what to do. In order for you to turn things around, you’re going to have to make some sacrifices.”
“Yeah,” she said, “but we can’t cut cable. Tom would have a fit.”
“Gillian,” I said, “this is a little frustrating. I thought you wanted to get out of your money situation.”
“I do,” she said, “but so far you’re just suggesting things for me to get rid of. Isn’t there something else we can do? Can’t we use a budget to get more money?”
“That’s what I’m talking about,” I said. “Cutting things like these is making a budget. I know it seems terrible to have to give things up, but you need to make sacrifices — at least in the short term — in order to get ahead. You don’t have any savings. Any disaster means you’re putting money on your credit card. You need to build up some savings. You need to pay off your existing debt. In order to do this, you need to spend less than you earn. Right now you’re spending exactly what you earn, and you’ll never get ahead that way. I know, because for years that’s how I operated. You’re going to have to tighten the belt, Gillian. It’s the only way.”
I paused, and then said, “You need to decide what’s important.”
It was obvious I wasn’t going to be able to help her. I hadn’t even explored the Big Ideas, like moving down to a smaller home or trading one of their SUVs for a used car. I had started with the medium-sized stuff — the obvious chaff. But Gillian wasn’t interested in making changes if it meant altering her lifestyle. I changed the subject.
We talked about summer. Gillian asked how our garden was. I described the knee-high corn, the ripe raspberries, and Kris’ monster tomatoes. “I’m jealous,” she said. “I don’t have time to garden. I did get a chance to go to the nursery last week, though. I was able to pick up five shrubs on sale for about $10 each.”
The shrubs were the final straw. There was nothing I could do to help her because she wasn’t ready to be helped. She wasn’t ready to listen. She said she wanted to change, but she didn’t really. She was looking for a magic pill, something that would make life easier without any effort on her part. That’s not how it works. Eventually Gillian will reach a place so bad that she’ll begin to see the need to take responsibility for improving her situation, but she’s not there yet.
Our conversation reminded me of an episode of This American Life I heard recently. The show profiled debt guru Dave Ramsey, and at one point the reporter played a segment in which Dave experienced similar frustration:
Tina calls Dave because she’s upside-down on her car loan. She recently wrecked the car, but rather than use the money to repair the vehicle, she spent it. “Ooooo-kay,” says Dave, obviously flustered. “I’m afraid what you’re looking at is probably a really good part-time job, about six or eight months of 80 hour weeks.”
“Eighty hour weeks?” says Tina. “That’s too much work.”
“I can’t help you, Tina,” says Dave.
And I can’t help you, Gillian.
This story is based on actual events. Names and situations have been changed to protect Gillian’s identity.
This article is about Budgeting, Debt, Psychology, Real-Life
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“Late model SUVs are pretty safe cars to drive if you value your life.”
This is one of the silliest things I have ever read. Reading garbage statements like this make me realize how good advertising executives must be.
SUVs are classified as trucks, and trucks have much lower federal safety requirements than cars. They also have much higher rollerover rates. If you think that SUVs are safe, I have a piece of a bridge to sell you.
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Some of the responses here have been detailing how people like Gillian always seem to get “lucky” and walk away from their debt, or get an unexpected windfall to take care of it, or get help from family/friends rather than making personal sacrifices.
I agree with these statements and am sad to say that my brother fits this very picture. He has filed bankruptcy, had a house re-financed 4 times, a foreclosure, a windfall lawsuit for $75k that pulled him even, and is waiting on the time required between bankruptcy to file his second one…he is 28 years old.
About once a month, he calls me and asks for financial advice. It is a thing which increases my blood pressure…but I soundly recant the words of these pages and advice from pros like Dave Ramsey every time. He agrees whole heartedly…and within about a week, I will hear how he bought a plasma tv or a new laptop on some new card.
The point that I am trying to make here is 2 fold: 1)Some people won’t change because they “want to”, until they “have to” and run out of options; 2)At the end of the day, it’s all about wether or not you want to be a Wal-Mart greeter at age 70.
Not having retirement money scares the hell out of me, and is what changed my frivolous life of debt. I don’t want to be sacking someones Happy Meal when I am a senior citizen…and I imagine noone else does either.
Temporary help from others is just that…temporary…very few get to permananetly walk away from debt until they change their own habits…and very few senior citizens who are working for $8 an hour are doing it because they are “bored”.
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This was an awesome post to share, and I also enjoyed reading the comments.
My only comment to JD would be to either work harder to get away from giving the advice in the first place or to develop an approach that focuses on the psychological factor more.
I was pulling for you when you were crunching the numbers and being “all logical” with her. However, I wasn’t reading her words to sound like she was as committed to it as he was.
As he’s surmised, the person with the money issue has to be the person with the most buy-in to developing solutions, alternatives, etc. In this example, JD spent his unpaid (and maybe even unappreciated) time volleying rebuttals.
Decisions about finances are mostly emotional, not logical. Instead of jumping into the nuts and bolts of crunching the numbers, the first part of the conversation has to work towards determining, and possibly strengthening, the buy-in from the one seeking advice. Questions that focus on why she wants to do it & what doing it will get her should come before how to do it and for how long.
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28.00 utility bill? I wish! Sept through May I “average” 160.00 per month for gas alone. Late May, through august, when my 40 x 20 inground is heated (here in the northeast) to 90+ degrees I spend about 350.00/mo on gas alone. But, I’m debt-free, except for my home on which I owe about 69k worth (today) about 400k. So, I have to “suffer” and pay the bills. Oh well. I’ve struggled to be debt free after being turned on to Dave Ramsey in early 2006. We have no debt,like I said except for the mortgage, not even a gas card. We use debit cards EVERYWHERE, or our AMEX as each member of the house has one. Not the monthly payment one — the regular green card which is paid in full when the bill comes in. Now, my newest car is a 2004, bought and paid in cash in 2007, and my oldest is a 1995 which I love and I will only give it up once the pistons come through the engine hood even though I have a replacement ’02 sitting in my garage under a car cover, purchased in 2005 (again for cash)!! The 02 was supposed to replace the 95 but I didn’t have the heart to get rid of the 95 since it’s never given me a lick of trouble. Ever. Anyway, I digress. I wish I could heat/power my home for $28.00 bucks. Whoever can do that deserves a medal!
J
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Geez! The Dave Ramsey clip was ridiculous! Who gets the money from insurance to fix a car AND SPENDS IT?! One of the things that keeps me going about debt repayment is that, after graduation, I’ll be able to take on more than one job and work as much as it takes to pay off my debt. I don’t care if it takes 80 hour weeks. If you really want to change your situation, you’ll work more – or give up your dang housekeeper – to make it happen.
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I have a friend who is exactly like this but even worse because they are behind on all their bills and having huge fights on a regular basis becasue of it. They just refuse to make any changes to their lifestyle. They go on trips on a regular basis and the wife only works part time. I just don’t get it. I no longer offer her suggestions, I just listen.
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