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How much do you need to earn to be happy? Could you get by on $12,000 a year?
The folks at W4 Resistance advocate withholding all or part of your Federal income tax in order to resist the war in Iraq. I am not interested in the political motivations here — Get Rich Slowly is a personal finance blog, not a political blog — but I am fascinated by these techniques. Here’s how it works:
File a new W-4 form with your employer for 2007. On line 7, you can claim exemption from payroll withholding. All you do is write in the word “Exempt” on line 7, sign and date the form and give it to your employer. No more income tax will be withheld.
Can it really be that easy? Of course not. There’s one gigantic catch:
Unless you can really claim no tax liability (such as by having a very low income or a lot of deductible losses), the IRS will consider this to be tax evasion and you will be hassled.
In order to avoid “hassles”, you must reduce your income below the taxable level, which is $8,450/year for most people. You can sneak additional income through various tax deductions, the most significant of which involves maxing out a traditional IRA — contributions are generally tax-free up to $4,000.
W4 Resistance includes the story of one person who has actually been able to live on $12,000 annually for the past three years. You don’t have to be that extreme to learn something here — these techniques are useful to anyone who wishes to live a more frugal lifestyle.
The author suggests cutting spending wherever possible:
- Get rid of cable television.
- Unplug all appliances.
- Drive less.
- Buy generic.
- Cook from scratch.
- Drink only water.
- Don’t eat out.
- Never buy garbage bags.
- Minimize the use of heat and air conditioning.
- Don’t buy things you don’t need.
- Repair things, don’t replace them.
- Buy used.
- Never pay interest.
- Hang clothes to dry.
- Don’t smoke or drink.
With the money saved from doing the above, the author invested in a few things that pay dividends in the long run:
- Compact fluorescent bulbs.
- A modern, energy-efficient refrigerator.
- A vegetable garden.
Missing from these lists is any mention of housing. The author found a creative way to live rent-free, and suggests that others may be able to brainstorm similar arrangements. But for most of us, housing is going to be a major expense. Also, the author admits that marriage, kids, and pets make things more complicated.
Stories like this intrigue me. I’m drawn to Thoreau’s Walden because he, too, lived a life of severe frugality (albeit one subsidized through extensive borrowing). I like to believe that I could do this, too, if the need arose.
Check out these past stories of extreme personal finance:
- How to pay off your mortgage in three years
- Huge debts, paid off fast
- Homeless by choice
- The most fuel-efficient driver in the world
Now that I think of it, I suspect my cousin Ted may support his family on an income nearly this small. He’s caretaker for a place in Eastern Oregon, grows much of his own food, and makes a living by weaving pine-needle baskets. I should interview him sometime to get his story of extreme personal finance.
[How I live on just $12,000 a year]
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June 29th, 2007 at 5:37 am
I just recently wrote about similar situations. My article deals primary with how to escape poverty though. That being said i think both togeather would provide a useful tool for anyone who is poor.
The article link is found here
http://www.roadtoharvard.com/howtoescapefrompoverty/
June 29th, 2007 at 6:28 am
Been there, done that, and it was a truly miserable experience. We never went out, never bought anything, thoroughly considered every item in the grocery cart. It might make people feel virtuous thinking about it, but living in that sort of poverty is soul-crushing.
June 29th, 2007 at 6:43 am
whoa…. don’t buy trash bags? Where do you put the trash?!!
June 29th, 2007 at 6:58 am
One thing missing from the equation is health insurance. Here in Canada it’s not an issue (in theory anyway), but in the States choosing to go without health insurance is risky.
As an aside, I think I’ve seen your cousin Ted’s pine-needle baskets (I remember a friend bought a pine needle basket years ago, I remember it was made in Oregon, and it was the most beautiful basket I’d ever seen in my life, although the willow baskets made by Jenny Crisp in the UK would run a very close second).
June 29th, 2007 at 7:05 am
I’m with pearlandopal. Sure it may be possible to live on $12K a year but who would voluntarily want to?
June 29th, 2007 at 7:11 am
It’s really not that difficult to live on under $12,000 per year. My stipend as a graduate student is $12,189. I expect to live on this stipend for five years (well, ok, I did happen to land a second job for next year, but I could and did live on this this year without going into debt.)
All my friends and I go out to eat and drink at least every other week or so. I don’t scrutinize purchases at the supermarket. I do share an apartment, keeping my rent down to $400 per month (including utilities, so I don’t have to do crazy stuff like turning the heat off.) I don’t have TV, but I do have high speed wireless internet which I split with several people. I only drive on the weekends, because I put in the extra effort to find an apartment where I can easily bike to campus.
Since 10,000 grad students at my institution alone are living on $12,000 per year for extended periods of time AND paying rent (AND having kids, some of them,) I don’t see how I can be expected to be impressed by someone who doesn’t even pay rent and boasts about living on “only” $12,000.
I also travelled around Europe on 1,000 euros a month, but that’s a different story. To the author: you should check out the book “Europe on 84 Cents a Day,” by Gil White.
June 29th, 2007 at 7:58 am
whoa…. don’t buy trash bags? Where do you put the trash?!!
I don’t know about you, but I’m generally awash with plastic bags from the grocery store, Target, etc, that do a pretty good job of containing my trash. I suspect, though, if he is growing his own vegetables, cooking at home, and not buying anything extraneous, he doesn’t generate much trash. I know most of the trash in my house comes from take-out food packaging (everytime I carry the trash out, I promise myself I will cut back).
June 29th, 2007 at 8:00 am
June 29th, 2007 at 8:09 am
Also if you compost and recycle, you will generate very little trash. Our household of three generates an average of one kitchen-size trash bag per week.
June 29th, 2007 at 8:52 am
That is a really low income, and although it can be done, why would you want to limit yourself like that (other than for a larger goal, like a masters, or being able to work part time)? It’s hard enough trying to live on twice that, even with frugal practices.
June 29th, 2007 at 8:53 am
brad: If you have health insurance through your employer, the premiums are usually tax-deductible (i.e. tax free).
June 29th, 2007 at 9:06 am
I’ve been living on $12,000 a year for the last 4 years. I just graduated from college. My parents give me $1000 a month. I have free tuition at school. My monthly rent is $500/month, and have $500 left over to pay for electricity, high speed internet, food, gas, prescriptions, etc.
To be fair, my parents pay my car insurance and my car payments separately (the car was a gift for graduation from high school) and I have health insurance from my parents’ jobs because I’m still a dependent. It’s also true that if I run into a tight spot, I can call my Mom and get $50 to help me through the week. But I personally haven’t had too much trouble living on this amount.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Kudos to Brooke because, by my calculation, she is living on $0 per year. Her parents are supporting her for $12,000 per year plus “incidentals”. Best advice I heard at commencement was “Live off your parents as long as they allow.”
June 29th, 2007 at 9:40 am
Through the first years of our marriage we lived on that amount. Almost half of our income went to rent. But because I stayed home and was able to make meals from scratch for the most part. I wasn’t a major bargain hunter but because I wasn’t busy with a job I was able to easily remember the good prices and knew when to stock up on a good sale. My husband hunts and a couple of deer each year prevent the need to buy beef. Though I wasn’t crazy about venison I learned a good marinade and it was actually pretty good. We didn’t have internet or cable and back then we didn’t have movies by mail. That was also back before everyone had cell phones too. At the time it wasn’t that bad, thank goodness we didn’t have access to credit since neither of us was a student and we hadn’t signed up for cards back when we were. I admit going back to that would be no fun at all but it was doable.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:46 am
Since I can’t edit my comment, I should add that my husband and I made $12K total for those years, not $12K each.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:56 am
I think I live at about $12,000 a year just by being frugal.
June 29th, 2007 at 10:10 am
It’s true that I’m living off my parents, but the end result it the same–I’m living on $12,000 a year. I’m in school full-time, so it’s not like I’m sitting on my butt and mooching. Now I’m entering grad school, where I’ll get a $15,000 stipend a year. The point I was trying to make is that it is possible to live on $12,000, regardless of the source of the income.
June 29th, 2007 at 10:12 am
wow i wish i could mooch off my parents like that
June 29th, 2007 at 10:21 am
Why do people think Brooke is mooching? It’s more like her parents are making an investment in her future. Besides, it sounds like she got a scholarship for college since it’s free. Quit picking on her. Ask her instead if she carries any debt or not. That would be a much more interesting personal finance discussion.
June 29th, 2007 at 10:25 am
At first I thought living on $12,000 is near impossible, what a tiny number. But I’m close to achieving that in my own life. For the last year I’ve been spending about $1800/mo or $22k/yr. Now that I’m getting rid of my car I’ll reduce my monthly expenses by about $550/mo down to under $15k/yr. I am able to do this while living in Westchester, NY which is a little bit more money than say, Kansas. I have a normal office job. I live in a house w/ roommates. I go out to bars with friends on weekends. I play sports. I am not some Amish guy on a farm. Living on a seemingly small amount of money is totally doable, by questioning all of your expenses. Once one examines all expenses and verifies that the modus operandi is optimal (this took me over two years) lots of new discoveries about money will be made.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:13 am
you can still have nothing withheld, but pay taxes on the other end. note, it said “no more income tax will be withheld.” It didn’t say that you would be liable for taxes at the end of the year still.
some people think that living in a grass hut, hunting and gathering, would make life so much better. I don’t get it.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Do be warned that living on “next to nothing” and reporting income that it seems unlikely you could really be living on will draw the attention of the IRS and your state/local tax auditing types.
When I was in Brooke’s shoes, there was a year when my reported income was something like $800. The Tax Man was suspicious, although since I wasn’t doing anything wrong, I didn’t get in trouble.
If you ARE being sneaky about it, for a political or other reason, you may get not just audited, but potentially prosecuted.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:56 am
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June 29th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
If its for a political reason and you get prosecuted, you should probably be seeking to maximise the publicity.
I think that lots of students live on that sort of budget - its the earning more and hiding it thats the problem.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
Get rid of cable television. REDUCED TO BASIC ($12/mo), BUT KRIS UNWILLING TO LET GO
Unplug all appliances. NO
Drive less. NOT ENOUGH - DO TRY TO BIKE OR WALK WHEN POSSIBLE
Buy generic. SOMETIMES
Cook from scratch. OFTEN
Drink only water. I JUST DID THIS FOR A MONTH. IT WASN’T SO BAD.
Don’t eat out. NO.
Never buy garbage bags. NO, THOUGH WE USE A LOT OF SPARE BAGS FOR GARBAGE, TOO
Minimize the use of heat and a/c. YES
Don’t buy things you don’t need. GETTING BETTER AT IT!
Repair things, don’t replace them. HM. I NEED TO WORK ON THIS.
Buy used. OFTEN.
Never pay interest. 25 MARCH 2008 TARGET DATE
Hang clothes to dry. NO
Don’t smoke or drink. RIGHT NOW, YES. BUT ONLY BECAUSE I’M GOING THROUGH A “THREE MONTHS WITH NO ALCOHOL” PERIOD
Looks like there’s lots I can do there to save money. Of course the key is how much of these are worth doing for me? How many of these things am I willing to sacrifice? It’s important for everyone to find that thin line between frugality and happiness. When you go to far, you’re being cheap, and that’s when saving money begins to hurt.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
I work in theater. I consider it a good month if I’m making the equivalent of $12,000 a year. Last month, I brought home $750. Sure, things get tight. When my income is low (relatively speaking, of course. It never gets to what most people would consider high), I don’t go out to eat, I don’t spend money on entertainment. But other months, I’m flush (again, relatively) and have about $1200 for the month. My expenses hover around $800/mo and I’m looking for ways to lower that further, but I certainly don’t suffer one bit. My grocery bill is around $15-20 per week. This doesn’t mean I can’t eat well at all — last week, I found a good price on flank steak at the Asian market. The week before, my boyfriend found boneless, skinless chicken breasts at 10 cents a piece!! (They were marked with a sell-by/freeze-by date of the day he bought them, so they had a 50% off sticker. He took them home, cooked up half, and tossed the other half in the freezer)
Being poor doesn’t even mean you have to live in squalor. You just have to be smart about it. I clip coupons and pay attention to the circulars. I barter & trade for things I want or need. Craigslist is probably one of my best resources when we need large items — we wanted outdoor furniture for our back yard, and after about 3 weeks of daily searching, I found a lovely set, completely free. All it cost was gas in driving to pick it up.
What’s the big deal about living on $12k a year? I’d be living the high life if I had that guaranteed annually!!
June 29th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
From what I remember I can only imagine being able to live on $12K/year during the first few years of life right after college. That’s because as soon as your career, social life and income begin to ascend, living situations tend to change. For example, right out of college people generally have no problem living with roommates, but once the social life picks up (read: meeting that certain someone) then having 3 or 4 roommates who can hear you and your SO “getting busy” can become a problem leading to moving out which increases living expenses beyond the $12K/year threshold.
I would also be hard pressed to find a method for living in a large city for $12K/year, where rent and utilities usually cost over $1,000/month even WITH 3 roommates.
One last thing, living on $12K/year, or even less, is certainly possible. When I was fresh out of college I lived on less than that for two years myself. However, I have a very hard time believing that anyone in an industrialized nation would actually enjoy such living conditions beyond a certain time frame like getting out of debt, or recovering from a sudden loss of a job, etc. Nowhere in the linked article, or in perusing the comments here, have I found any mention of savings, retirement contributions or even bank accounts by those who claim to be living on $12K/year. This leads me to believe that these people will continue to work far past the time that others like myself who have planned and saved for retirement will be sipping mimosa’s on the beach.
Hey, just because somethings possible doesn’t mean it should be done.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
That’s my point exactly Geekman. I know it’s possible to live on $12K a year but would really rather not.
Considering grad school stipeds etc. or living like you did straight out of school isn’t workable for a lot of people. It’s just not. I’m close to 40 and far removed school now. I’m so totally over my interest in living poor like that — no more $12K shoestring for me if I have any control over it. I doubt I’m alone in that.
Heck, even people in the third world countries are trying to raise themselves up higher than that.
June 29th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
I just pity Brooke from above. How could she have all of her expenses and education taken care of plus a measly $1000 a month from her parents? A true role model!
June 29th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Oh shit- I can’t live without macs, or my itunes. people like this suck
June 29th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
As a new college graduate I was able to live on a monthly take home pay of $1000/month pretty easily. Apartment was $500/month, which included natural gas and water. My car was paid for. So I had $500/month to buy groceries, gas, clothes & electric bill. This was back in the late 80s, I felt terribly guilty if I spent more than $30/week on groceries. Gas probably ran me around $15/week. I could probably do it again if I had to.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
These are generally all good suggestions, but I have a few caveats:
“Buy generic.”
After these contamination scares, eg. toothpaste, cat food, whatever’s next? Nothing really bad has happened so far, but I think sticking with brand names is worth the peace of mind. Health is the most valuable form of wealth. Brands have reputations to uphold, and cut-rate overseas firms operate under little regulation.
I’ve lived on low incomes, in the past and it can be a worthwhile thing to do if you are going to school, doing an unpaid internship, starting out in a career, starting a business, or even writing a book. But it should not be a substitute for building your human capital in the workforce. Many firms want to know your salary history when you apply for a job. You better have a good answer to explain a history of low earnings.
Also note that time spent bargain hunting and repairing things is often better spent building up human capital: taking night classes, freelance work, even just reading. Being able to put more hash on your resume is a far better use of your time than haunting thrift stores. And I say this as someone who has relied on thrift stores for many years.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
All of these thing are very smart. staying focused on your goal is the only important thing you should worry about not what people think or say about you.
June 29th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
What I find interesting is the fact we all feel as though $12K a year is so difficult for 1 person but it also higher than the fed. poverty guidelines for 1 person…
http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/07poverty.shtml
June 29th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
I was able to live on $9,900 in 2003. Here’s how I did it:
1) DirectTV instead of Cable $34.99/month
Found free clinics to provide health checkups
2) Double-wide trailor (Able to live in rent FREE)
3) No car payments
4) Mainly bought tuna and hamburger helper for food
5) Ate out once or twice a week (Fast food)
6) Movies were $1.50/per person (New releases)
7) Car fuel was paid by my in-laws.
9) Never buy clothes as I ALWAYS get clothes for Christmas and birthday.
I now make quadruple my income but I pay for tuition, rent, gas, and insurance. Living on little though has helped me to stay debt free despite paying for all these items.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
My health insurance alone is $12,000. per year. To pay this, plus the high property tax in my state, I have already done most of the suggestions. I have been using compact flurescent lights and energy star appliances for over 5 years. The total wattage to light my house is under 100 watts.
If you really want to live frugally, I suggest taking a good look at your location. Living in a college town with several supermarkets withing walking distance, free internet service and dvds from the library, public transportation and a job within walking distance really make a difference.
June 29th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
I’m in Australia and live off just under A$21,000 a year. I have a wife, three kids under 4 - two in nappies, one on formula and am a full time student.
Sure most of it is govt. benefits, but I work when I can (I’m a chef so the industry is in a lull period over winter).
I don’t have cable TV, but that’s pretty normal over here, but apart from that I live a reasonably comfortable life. We eat out average once a fortnight, have broadband, drive reguarly etc.
Not sure how much it differs from country to country (the only major difference I know is that we have free health through our low income payments), but given that we’re living off the US equivalent of $17,800 with 3 kids and never in need (and paying US equivalent of $900 rent a month), I can’t really be impressed by someone who lives on more than half of what we 5 are living on…
That being said, it may differ from country to country so while it’s achievable over here it may be more challenging over there…?
June 29th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
I know plenty of college students and college-age individuals living on this amount…
For a little perspective, my fiancé and I are in negotiations about him potentially pursuing a career as an officer in the Marines. I was looking at pay scales and, to me, a higher-up making $120,000/year (plus housing and health care) is insane. That is SO MUCH MONEY.
But then again, 30-year veterans of corporations regularly make waaaaaay more than that.
My point? At my age, especially living in a place like northern Idaho, $12,000/year isn’t all that bad.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:04 am
My husband and I are going through experiences now of cutting back and trying to make our lives simplier, reduce our debt and make our way to financial independence. We are cutting back on unnecessary expenses and changing how we do things in general, we are in process of getting rid of any monthly bill we can.
June 30th, 2007 at 6:07 am
There is a difference between living on $12k and existing on $12k…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
There is a lot of power in choice. Being forced to live on a very low income could be miserable deprivation, but choosing to live on less can be empowering. Some people are happy to find ways to save a few dollars, and suggestions abound for this type of frugality. But others are motivated to really lower their spending (or increase their saving) in a big way, faster.
I especially enjoy these articles about extreme frugality because they provide some concrete evidence of the cumulative effect of thrifty choices.
The most important aspect of practicing creative frugality (not deprivation) is living in line with your priorities. Spending more on high-priority items and less on everything else is appropriate and the key to financial and emotional success, no matter what your income is. The point of many frugality articles is that we often consider everything to be a priority without really considering the alternatives. Hearing about some extreme choices can inspire us to rethink our own decisions in a more thoughtful light.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
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June 30th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
I’m almost there and I don’t feel like I’m sacrificing too much. Taking this June as a “typical” month and multiplying by 12, given my current paycheck 403(b) paycheck deductions, IRA contributions, and cash savings, I’m living on about $12,200 per year. In reality, it is a little bit more because winter utilities tend to be much more expensive, and some months I splurge more, but I’m certainly living off of less than $15,000 per year, and this is in Washington, DC.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:05 am
On the garbage bag mini-issue, I think that if I wasn’t eating out, growing my own food, and repairing things rather than replacing them, I probably wouldn’t have many plastic bags around, of course I also probably wouldn’t have that much stuff to throw out.
It seems if you really want to stick it to the man by way of the IRS you should figure out a way to make all your money abroad. That’s what several very large corporations do. Besides, you could probably live very frugally in the Cayman Islands.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:56 am
Aaron - I am applying that advice right now. I’m technically making all my money abroad, and pay only about $340 every month for Medicaire and Social Security. I don’t pay state or federal taxes, even though I am a Texas resident.
I highly recommend working abroad if at all possible, possibly through international companies. It’s defenitely not possible for everyone, though. I’m doing it in Iraq, and I wouldn’t recommend that, but it works. There are, literally, thousands of contractors here that are earning their income tax free.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:46 pm
I am over 50 and have a liberal arts degree. (Intended to go to law school, couldn’t afford it.) I graduated at about the worst time (bottom of a deep recession) in about the worst place (Rust Belt state from which 2/3 of new graduates were fleeing for jobs elsewhere.) So you could say I already did the Education Plan, and it didn’t work for me.
Now what do I do?
July 2nd, 2007 at 6:30 am
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July 2nd, 2007 at 8:16 am
Whoa…$12,000 is extreme personal finance?
My family (3 people, 1 parent, 2 grown children) lives on less than $6000/year, mostly through odd jobs. We don’t have health insurance or life insurance, the minimum auto insurance (as required by law, or we wouldn’t even have that). We go to church twice a week and to the store once a week, and that’s it (unless circumstances demand otherwise…for example, if we get a job somewhere). We have a vegetable garden and our own chickens, so that helps a lot. Lots of soups…lots of rice…lots of stir fries and other Chinese dishes. We use CFLs, dialup internet, turn things off when we’re finished with them, etc. It can be done. My blog ( http://livingthegoodlife.wordpress.com ) goes into more detail about aspects of this kind of life.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:08 am
It’s interesting…the folks in the original article were reducing spending as a political act. While it truly sucks to feel poor, and scrutinize every outgoing dime because one has no other choice; it can be empowering to choose to live on less for a goal. This reminds me of “Your Money or Your Life.”
But don’t get me going on health insurance in the US; it’s an absolute travesty.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:39 pm
People living on very low incomes often have housing situations which are remarkable in some way, and not generally available to the average person. Like living rent-free in a trailer, or three people living on less than $6,000 a year. (Around here, rent alone for three costs - often considerably - more than $500 per month.)
Here in my area, rents are projected to rise 8.5 percent this year and another 6 percent next year. The current issue of a landlord newsletter has a cover story “Investors Strike Gold!”
And living on $12K can be extreme personal finance if you have student loan payments coming out of that amount and/or live in a high-cost area.
July 2nd, 2007 at 4:14 pm
My problem is getting out of debt to begin trying to save and live on a little as possible, if I had at least 6,000 dollars I will be able to keep my home and my family will be happy too.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:51 am
I have lived mst of my adult life on anywere between $6,000 and 12,000. But I have always been happy and comfortable. For a while I couldn’t get ant state assistance (food stamps, medicaid). My car insurance was thru the roof and I couldn’t pay my power bill. They came and shut it off, and that’s how I lived for 6 months. I didn’t mind at all. I had a gas stove and hot water. I think there’s too much hypercompetitiveness in our society and it drives people to be better (or have the appearance) than everyone else. Now I live on about $750 a month. My basic exspenses of rent, utilities, car insurance are paid and I have about $75 to spend on incidentals. I utilize the food bank, clothing bank, take furniture that people are getting rid of, and follow many of the guidelines on the list above. People think I’m wealthy though, they come into my home and it’s so clean and decorated with nice things, even though they are free. It’s all perception.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
I find it interesting that most on here think that having internet at home is living below ones mean and frugal. You can use the library computer most places for free. I live on almost 7,000/year. It is my SSI that I get for being disabled. I live in subsidized housing with my husbands income too, and this is how we do it. 1. No cable or dish just antenna. 2. Food is the basics cooking from scratch and shopping from a list of what we need. 3.Clothing is given to us free from clothing give aways at a thrift store that is also a self help center in our town.4.I take in laundry for extra money for gifts. Our vacations is anywhere in state that has a free campsite to camp at for a weekend.5. No car so no insurance, and our utilities are on a plan. Live basically and you can live on less than 12,000 a year simply. There is no wow when you have to do. You just do it.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
PLEASE do NOT use fluorescent bulbs! They have very toxic mercury in them. As an environmental engineer, I assure you that once in landfills, it is next to impossible to keep mercury from entering water supplies and eventually, through the food chain, ending up in people. Maybe your children won’t be poisoned, but your grandchildren may be.
Please, if you insist on using CFL bulbs, get educated and find a safe way to dispose of them. If you read the CLF bulb packaging, you will see the warning right there in black & white. Of course, the manufacturers don’t tell you HOW to safely dispose of them, they just tell you not to dispose of them via the garbage truck.
Remember, mercury is incredibly toxic - to both people and animals. Please consider other ways of saving money and energy. Don’t use these highly toxic bulbs!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
I think the murcury content of CFLs should be clearly labeled. I have been using them for a few years and never thought about it until I read about a lady who droped one while installing it in her daughters room. She was cited $2000.00 to clean it up. That is a potentially exspensive bulb!
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