Why Religion is an Important Part of Personal Finance
Published on - July 15th, 2007 (Modified on - July 17th, 2007) (by J.D. Roth) This is a guest-post from Free Money Finance. J.D. is on vacation in Europe.
This guest-post has had some very passionate comments. I felt it appropriate to reference J.D’s thought on the matter included in this article “I’ve intentionally kept my political and religious leanings obscure at Get Rich Slowly — they have no bearing on personal finance.” However, FreeMoneyFinance disagrees and took time out from their very busy schedule to post a very lengthy and well-written guest article with a counter-viewpoint. –jerichohill(admining while JD is away)
Recently J.D. and I were emailing back and forth discussing a possible guest post on the topic of religion and money.
I cover the issue every Sunday on my blog and I tossed out several ideas I thought were worthwhile. Then J.D. said something that decided the issue. He wrote: “I’ve intentionally kept my political and religious leanings obscure at Get Rich Slowly — they have no bearing on personal finance.”
Ahhh, but they do — or at least the religious leanings do. (I’d argue that political leanings probably do too, but that’s for a different post by a more-qualified blogger.) So I’d like to discuss why I think a person’s religion should impact their finances. I’ll toss out a few of my thoughts on the issue, then let all of you chime in with your points-of-view in the comments.
I’ll start with a couple statements so you can get a sense for where I’m coming from:
- I’m a Christian and, as such, I have the most knowledge and experience on the various Christian viewpoints on money, how to handle it, on so on. My knowledge of other religions’ beliefs on money can at best be described as “limited,” so please forgive me if I make an inappropriate comment. It’s certainly not intentional.
- That said, I think my point-of-view on religion impacting personal finance is true for all religions — Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, and so on. I think you’ll see why in a moment.
Now to the heart of the matter. Here’s my short and sweet position on why religious beliefs should impact finances:
Every religion has a set of principles detailing how a person should behave, worship God, treat others and the like. For each of these principles, a context could be (and most likely will be) experienced where money is injected into a situation that challenges a person to either follow or ignore these principles. In other words, how a person reacts with his money in a given situation often is fundamentally tied to whether or not he’s actually following his religious practices — it’s a visible, outside indication of his true belief in the principles of his religion. Therefore, it follows that our religious beliefs should significantly impact how we handle our finances.
How does this play out practically? Here are a couple generic suggestions that illustrate how religious beliefs should impact how money is handled:
- Almost every religion has some sort of principle that says we should treat our fellow man kindly. Furthermore, many religions go a step further and give specific instructions on how we should care for the poor and down-trodden in society. Does this have any implications on our personal finances? Of course. It impacts how we give to feed and clothe the poor, how much we give, to what organizations and the like. It even influences our reaction to a request from a homeless man for a handout or a request for a donation from a foodbank. Taking it back a step further, it even suggests how we budget our money — being sure we set aside enough to help care for the needy.
- Almost every religion has some sort of principle that includes the worship of (and service to) God, Jesus, nature or some higher being or principle. Many religions advocate that we worship God in many ways — through our actions, in song, in prayer, and even through our money. For instance, the Jewish religion has long had the principle of the tithe — giving the first 10% of a person’s income as an act of worship to God. Many Christians practice this principle as well, though several advocate a more general principle of “generous giving” over the tithe. But in any case, doesn’t it make sense that if we’re commanded to worship and serve God that we’d worship and serve him in all ways — including with our money? Certainly this would impact how we handle our personal finances in many ways.
Now let me be a bit more specific. Here are some examples from the Old and New Testaments that impact various aspects of how we should handle or personal finances. Some are commands and some are general principles, but they all influence how we should handle our money:
- Saving: Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest. Proverbs 6:6-8
- Diversification of investments: Give portions to seven, yes to eight, for you do not know what disaster may come upon the land. Ecclesiastes 11:2
- Controlling greed: Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” Luke 12:15
- Borrow carefully: The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender. Proverbs 22:7
- Being generous: You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God. 2 Corinthians 9:7-12
- Helping the poor: He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. Proverbs 19:17
- More on helping the poor: If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 1 John 3:17
- Giving: Just as you excel in everything — in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in complete earnestness and in your love for us — see that you also excel in this grace of giving. 2 Corinthians 8:7
I could go on and on (there are hundreds of verses in the Bible on how to handle money), but I think you get the point.
It’s a deep subject and I’ve only skimmed the surface, but we can consider the conversation now started. Please add your own thoughts in the comments below. I’ll try to stop in now and then to comment myself and see how the discussion is progressing.
Thanks, FMF, for tackling this subject. Folks, I generally eschew religion and politics at this site, so if you’ve been wanting to discuss issues of spirituality and finance, now’s the time to do it. You can read more about the Bible and money every Sunday at Free Money Finance.
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To Mave and Atheists,
Well, what more could I say? You have deliberately chose to ignore everything I said. I don’t have to prove God’s existence. He is already there. There are tonnes of evidences that can prove God’s existence, you just have to open your eyes to see them. But if you still failed to see them, I can’t help any further.
Surely I can’t force my religion into your brain, for the conversion of a heart is not my job, it’s God’s. I salute your strong believe in the gospel of Atheism, and if I have met you before I have become a Christian, I would make you as a Guru.
Before I end, please allow me to answer several things that you have deliberately shot me… I forgave you for doing that, but that doesn’t mean that I am agreeing what you are saying. Ok, here we go… Ready?
“You lost all your “atheist credibility” when you took up religion, so saying that you used to be an atheist so you are now some kind of expert on atheism is not only absurd, it’s insulting.” (Quote from your statement)
Indeed I am no longer an Atheist, but that doesn’t disqualify me from expressing what have I learned from Atheism. I used to embrace Communism and used to be a strong believer in Humanism, and I am dare to say that no people hated Christian or other religion practitioner than I did in the past. Please visit my website at http://johnsoncn005.multiply.com for more of my history. But before I come to know Jesus as my personal Lord and Saviour, I have already understood the folly of Atheism (no offense, this was what I realized at that moment, if you want to accuse me as a heretic in Atheism, you are free to do so). Face it, Atheism is a form of religion, and this religion there is no God, or any big figure like Buddha or Muhammad, but the core believe is based on human himself.
I dare to say that Atheism is a form of religion because you have to believe that there is no God, it requires a step of faith. Before you can be an Atheist, you must BELIEVE that there is NO GOD!!! For me (I said, FOR ME), the element of believe has already enough to make a substance as religion. Well, whether you like it or not, I also want to say so.
Because I value freedom, that why I never present any “Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so” kind of things. All I am trying to do is to tell you that although I respect you as a disciple of NO-GOD RELIGION, but that doesn’t mean that I am in the same line with you. I can be at peace with you, but I will never shut my mouth to tell you that there is God in this world. You can either choose to accept or to reject, but I’m telling you anyway, just like the Atheists telling me that there is no God, even though I have reject them, but at least I allow them to finish their words.
With Love,
Johnson.
PS: God does exist, you just don’t see Him. Just because you don’t see Him, doesn’t mean that He is not exist. Open your eyes and open your ears. (Please shoot me with all the criticism you have, because I’m eagerly want to talk to you about this subject matter.)
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To Mave and the Atheists,
By the way, can you send your reply to my e-mail address directly? It’s more convenient for me to reply you directly from my mailbox… Sorry for the haste.
With Love,
Johnson.
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To Mave and the Atheists,
By the way, can you send your reply to my e-mail address directly? It’s more convenient for me to reply you directly from my mailbox… Sorry for the haste.
With Love,
Johnson.
johnsoncn005@gmail.com
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Johnson (and only Johnson, as thankfully you are not really representative of many christians I’ve met*) -
You’ve missed the boat: atheism isn’t about a “belief” of any kind. It’s about a LACK of belief. That’s where you are losing track in your discussion of these issues. Just as I’m sure you don’t believe that Santa Claus, Tom Sawyer, Bilbo Baggins or The Green Lantern are real, I don’t believe that “God”, “Allah”, “Aphrodite” or “Thetans” are real. That isn’t a belief, that is a LACK of belief. Pretty much the opposite of “faith” which is the basis of most religions.
Claiming that atheism is a religion, or that it is based on faith of any kind is just absurd, and betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the atheistic position. As I said earlier (and you really don’t appear to have parsed the information), atheism is a response to specific claims, not an independent position of its own. Without theism – without people who make claims about the existence of god – there would be no atheism. It’s not a belief, it’s a response to a claim (i.e. just as doubt or bewilderment or agreement or curiosity could all be responses to claims, but they are not religions).
However, I’m sure you’d agree that without atheists, believers would still exist. That is because theism isn’t a response to a claim, it is a belief – a faith in the nature of the universe, the meaning of life, etc. Followers of various religions practice shared belief systems, cultural leanings, etc. Atheists, on the other hand, have no such common ground. The only thing atheists have in common is a rejection of the claims made about various supernatural beings. Beyond that, there is no common thread of values, beliefs, etc.
The claim that atheism is a religion is misguided at best, disingenuous at worst. Many religious people consciously use that absurd notion as a tool of argument in an attempt to dismiss criticisms some atheists make against religion (i.e. if atheism is a religion, then atheists can’t credibly criticize “other” religions). That’s just posturing and deliberate misrepresentation for political gain.
People have a right to discuss the merits/problems of religion just as well as they have the right to discuss anything else. Generating false representations of your rhetorical opponent in order to appear more credible is for amateurs. If you truly want to discuss the issues from a rational, respectful standpoint you have to put away such dishonest tactics.
The claim that atheism is a religion can also be arrogant and myopic. It often stems from the assumption that god(s) is/are real and that atheists are “choosing” not to believe. Theists claim atheists are making a “leap” of faith that such things don’t exist, because for theists, the existence of their god is self-evident, and any atheist who doesn’t accept their god must surely be rejecting it while simultaneously realizing that god exists.
That’s the most ridiculous position of all the anti-atheistic ones, and ultimately crosses over into crazy-land. It’s of course impossible to have an intelligent discussion of an issue if one starts from the unwavering assumption that their position is correct and unquestionable. In such a situation there can be nothing to discuss. When someone is arguing from that position, there’s truly no point at all in engaging them in discussion, because they are incapable of understanding the atheistic position from even a hypothetical standpoint.
As Bertrand Russell said, there is no sense in trying to have a rational discussion with someone about a view they did not arrive at through reason. Therefore I really don’t see anything that can be gained by attempting to discuss this further with you. And no – you definitely cannot have my email address.
* Many christians I’ve met have some reasoning skills and a comprehension of the basic concepts necessary to discuss these subjects intelligently.
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i totaly agree with your post! there are hundreds of verses in the word of God dealing with money & it’s uses.just because there may be nonchristan that dissagree with this post doesn’t mean that there are precepts that are universaly accepted dealing with money.no religous beliefs will change that. to the statement that the christan person should prove that there is a God is incorect, my personal experence tells me different! if you can prove me wrong please do so! then maybe i will change my of thinking. the sientific community almost daily is proving that God exist! i don’t need them to do that because i know that He does.it is your choice to belive or not to.God gives everyone that choice called free will. you won’t truly be happy until you accept that fact & do something about it.
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@Jim: If the scientists are proving daily that god exists, then you should have no trouble citing these proofs. Where are they?
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I am a Christian and I started an online financial lifestyle magazine that uses the bible as the foundation to show the principles used to achieve financial success are all derived from the bible.
So, please check it out and provide feedback.
Jim i agree with, the best part of being a Christian is it is a choice, you are not forced. With that being said, Jim, we don’t not have to prove anything. If you need to proof feel free to Google it, I’m sure you’ll find something. But if you have serious questions about Christianity, I would be more than happy to answer them to the best of my ability.
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I personally am a Christian but I disagree with many comments on this post by other Christians. The Bible clearly shows that money should not be as important to us as God. Even the “GetRichSlowly” message goes against this, as the desire at the end is to be the millionaire next door after decades of saving. The message of Christianity is radical and to some crazy because it demands living humbly and personal sacrifice, even to the extent of losing personal wealth and financial security. Why do Christians follow this credo? Because Christians believe that pursuing God and the pleasures he offers are far superior to the pleasures that are contrary to His ways.
Personally, to me this implicates that I will soon be leaving an IT job that pays well to aid the poor and destitute and show them love that perhaps they have never known at the expense of a much lower salary. An athiest might have the same passion, and I admire that, but the difference is that their motives are personal fulfillment while my motive is to bring glory to God regardless of personal expense.
BTW, most Christians come very far from living the way the Bible would have them live (including myself). As Gandhi said, I like your Christ but not your Christians. I would ask that anyone considering Christianity look at Christ first and His followers second (and Bush last lol).
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I have to disagree and offer Penn Jillett’s essay on how being an atheist makes him a better person http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557 (since he knows there’s no second chance, he has to do right here)–applies to finances too, there is no pot of gold in the afterlife, NOW is the time to do right.
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I think it’s very bigotted of you to assume only Christians, or only any ‘beleivers,’ have morals. Freethinkers have morals, in fact since we don’t believe in redemption or godly forgiveness, we HAVE to do right here–drinking grape juice on Sunday doesn’t forgive us our sins, we have to fix them now and do right.
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