I’ve finally managed to find an internet café near our hotel in London (we’re near Victoria Station), so am checking in for the first time in a week. I love this city, and because of the generosity of my in-laws, my expenses are much lower than they might have been. I’ve spent $628.93. That’s less than my $700 weekly budget, but more than my $350 weekly target. Most of this money was spent in three large bursts:
- $100 on a lousy Chinese buffet near Leicester Square on my first turn to buy dinner
- $205 for a good Italian restaurant in Dorchester on my second turn to buy dinner
- $120 for admission to the H.M.S. Victory for the group
I know that $20/person for a Chinese buffet seems expensive, but it’s actually par for the course. We figure that it costs $70-$80 for the five of us to eat a meal in a pub; anything else is generally costs more. England is expensive for an American tourist. Even a cheap breakfast costs more than you’d expect.
The other morning I walked four miles through the countryside around Wells, returned to look at the Cathedral, and then bought myself a cup of hot chocolate. It cost $4! Yesterday before we returned the rental car, we paid $92 to fill the gas tank. That’s right — as much as we moan about gas prices in the United States, they’re almost four times higher in England. You don’t see many SUVs here.
England is different from the United States in other subtle ways. Two differences that are relevant to this site: there is far less advertising, and television isn’t nearly as ubiquitous. Advertising and television are certainly present, especially in London, but they don’t dominate the culture. In fact, we just returned from a three-day road trip through the countryside, and I’m hard-pressed to remember advertising outside the city. I do recall some billboards in Portsmouth, and I know many buses had advertising, but that’s it. It was refreshing to not be constantly bombarded by ads.
Skimming the comments here, I see that FMF’s exploration of the Bible and money caused a ruckus. Folks, nearly every post between now and early August is from a guest author. Beliefs and opinions expressed by guest authors do not necessarily reflect my own. I often encourage guests to explore topics that this blog otherwise would not cover. Many of you are worried that FMF’s article represents some sort of sea-change at Get Rich Slowly. It does not. I do not (and will not) use this site to espouse my world view. (Well, aside from “spend less than you earn”…)
There are a couple of additional posts that may prove controversial in the next two weeks. I encourage you to hash things out in the comments, but to remain civil, and to take these guest articles in the spirit I intend: as a chance to hear from other voices in the personal finance world.
Now it’s time for me to ditch this expensive internet connection. I want to find out if it’s possible to see a pre-season football match today. I have no idea where to begin. I should have researched before coming to London!
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You guys may have saved $2000 each for your trip, but as I said before, traveling to Europe is a real eye (and wallet) opener. The Euro exchange is a wake up call to Americans. The US dollar is worthless.
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I notice advertising a lot on USA shows like on who wants to be a millionaire with “phone a friend” the USA version says “sponsored by AT&T” and on X Factor all the judges have coca cola on their cups on display.
When I saw X Factor in Ireland, they blur out the cups to stop the advertising!
$4 for a hot chocolate? Sounds about right
$20-35 per person for a meal is right for your average place.
By the way, this amount of rain is a lot higher than average!
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Good inexpensive food in England: vegetarian Indian food. Awesomely good. I can still taste the paratha with sultanas and raisins, 15 years later….
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The American dollar is kind of losing it’s value steadily to the ‘Euro’ and I guess in this cased the pound. I just hope it retains SOME of it’s value before I make a possible trip overseas in a year or so.
Have fun in England!
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Hi
This is quite funny in the sense that I am currently living the opposite situation.
I am based in London and I have been in Vancouver for more than a month. With the GBP at roughly 2CAD or USD, it is awesome all I can do with the same Budget
Nevertheless enjoy as despite being expensive, London is a very nice city. Don’t forget to visit Greenwich park if you have the appropriate weather.
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I’m glad you got to see the cathedral in Wells. I’ve been there twice, and just love it.
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I’m so jealous! Have fun, and a note from my personal experience: often the cheapest, out-of-the-way eateries turn out to have the best food and unique atmosphere. I know it’s hard when you’re responsible for feeding several other people, but you guys might try something different at some point.
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What gives you the impression that television is less prevalent? Are you seeing how much people watch TV (excuse me, telly
in their homes?
I find that assumption a little specious, simply because the Brits are known for their TV productions — a lot of American shows are based on British originals….the Brits seem as pop-culture fixated as the Americans, but some measures…
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Just the one question. Have you managed to connect with Plonkee, yet?
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I’m glad that you’re having fun over here in the UK – Avebury is great, it’s one of my favourite neolithic sites. I’m afraid that the food prices you quote are par for the course. Instead of going to restaurants for lunch, I’d suggest trying Marks and Spencers – they do excellent sandwiches, salads and other takeaway options. You’ll also find that a great many museums and art galleries are free of charge, which can be a good way to save money whilst soaking up some culture – just try to stay clear of the invariable gift shops!
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It’s great that you could report in. I’ve been wondering how you were doing. You sound like you’re all having an enjoyable time, and I’m glad to hear that.
Speaking of gas, it cost me $30.00 to fill my new Fusion up all the way from just under 1/2 full the other day. I didn’t think the prices were that much more expensive from when I had my Taurus. Maybe my new gas tank is bigger? (Wouldn’t that be a welcome change!)
My Aussie friends as well as those in the UK have long been spending a lot more on gas than we have here in the U.S. They haven’t had a lot of sympathy for me when I’ve complained.
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Hi highly suggest not wasting your money on medium-level restaurants, which will more often than not be very expensive (in US dollars) and have mediocre food (like you found out with the Chinese buffet). London has amazing food if you are willing to go to the top restaurants. Otherwise, the best food is always in lower-level or hole-in-the-wall type restaurants that are of a typical English variety — this includes pubs, Indian restaurants, kebab places and sandwich shops that serve typical English breakfasts. That’s about it. If you want to eat good food that is what locals eat and if you want to save money, I would stick to this plan. Most pubs serve good home-style food. Most neighborhood Indian places are amazing and affordable. And the same is true for kebab/falafel shops. Otherwise, you’ll be wasting money paying for random restaurants.
One other place that’s amazing (my favorite in London) is called Food for Thought. It’s off of Covent Garden in London. It’s a yummy and affordable vegetarian restaurant.
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I second what Kristina said. I also want to point out the excellent selection of take-away foods you can find at UK grocery stores. Pick up a roast chicken, some salad and rolls and you’ll have dinner for four for under $15. Get some cheese, fruit and rolls for breakfast. Buy some hand-carved ham, potatoes and veggies for dinner. You can even get trifle in the take-away section.
Now I’m not suggesting you completely convert to take-away. But the Brits have a great variety of foods you can just pick up and eat in the park or your room or wherever. Even if you just “roughed it” for breakfast and dinner, you could still have a pleasant lunch — and lunch is cheaper than dinner.
Heck, if you’re not too fussy about lunch, go to Boots’ Drugstore and get a sandwich and a Tango soda for about $2-$3. I wouldn’t do that every day, but it’s okay if you do it once in a while.
You can do the same thing in the rest of Europe. In fact, check out the cafes/restaurants in department stores. In Austria and Germany, you could load up on meats, potatoes and veggies for about $4. The washrooms there are also usually free or inexpensive. And there’s a ton of seating. THe grocery stores are great, too. And it’s fun to see how other people live.
Again, you are on vacation, so you needn’t rough it all the time. But you might want to try some creative ways to manage your meals. If you can shift your main meal to lunch, you’ll save a bundle.
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I agree with Kristina and Andrea…its better to find a best place, nice food and affordable price.
Well when time comes to buy dinner or food and I had company then I always offer to share the bill. Thats good for everyone’s valet or purse.
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Glad you’re having a good time. As others have said, the prices that you’re quoting seem completely normal to me. But I know that they’re high over here as every place I ever go on holiday, I notice that the food is cheap.
Its a pity that you had a poor Chinese meal near Leicester Square – presumably you were in Chinatown. You win some, you lose some.
I wasn’t aware that there are fewer ad boads over here, but it doesn’t surprise me – we have a slightly different style of advertising to the US. There’s very little product placement in TV shows as said above – and of course the BBC doesn’t advertise at all.
Its difficult to say whether tv dominates the country as much as the US as its really hard to compare. We’re certainly very proud of the number of good telly programmes that we produce. I’d say that we have fewer channels to watch and cable/satellite is not as ubiquitous.
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If you’re still looking for pre-season football tickets, you can almost certainly get them by phoning the ticket office of the football clubs.
You can call one of the directory enquiries services to get the numbers (try 118226 its 23.5p for two enquiries) or use a yellow pages.
Arsenal still have tickets for Saturday, but you’ll need to book by tomorrow. If you’re still in London on 4th August, Crystal Palace are playing Everton @ Selhurst Park.
Other London / nearby professional clubs (in no particular)
Tottenham Hotspurs
Leyton Orient
Charlton Athletic
Brentford
Chelsea (may be on tour still)
Queens Park Rangers
West Ham United
Fulham
Millwall
Watford
Reading
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Wow I’m jealous! I spent about a month in the UK quite a few years ago and I’ve been dying to go back. Hopefully you have some time planned to visit Scotland while you’re there.
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Two of my favorite things in London were the British Museum and the National Gallery. Incidentally, they are both FREE!
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Hey, you came to Wells? I live and work in Wells (having done the whole University thing). It’s a nice place, but geared for tourists, so you lost out twice – once on the price and twice on the exchange rate!
Your blog is a great source of motivation to pay my graduate loan back. Keep it up.
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In the comments, I appreciate being frugal and saving where one can, but you have to remember that a vacation is a vacation. It’s specifically the time when all your hard work at saving money and being frugal throughout the year pay off and you get to relax. Enjoy the restaurants and don’t worry about the price. It’s well deserved.
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hi, just popping in to say that I don’t think the problem with europe seeming excessively expensive is the exchange rate itself. on the contrary, i think it has almost nothing to do with the exchange rate. the simple fact is that it IS expensive, and let me explain what I mean by this.
i make the equivalent of about usd 3.5-4k/month after taxes, which is considered a quite good salary. in US I imagine this would be a good salary too (maybe).
what can someone here do with that kind of money in a city? pay rent (equivalent 1300 USD for a 1 bedroom, 1 living room, kitchen and bathroom, all small rooms), pay for public transport or gas (aprox 200 usd just to commute to work if working outside the city), electricity, heating, internet and other utilities bills (approx 300-350), food (approx 500, no eating out, just food from supermarket and cooked at home). if one wants a new car which is not even too fancy like toyota yaris that costs $33k, you do the math to figure out how much to pay each month (hint: approx 700$). You already know how much eating/having a beer out costs.
Still, people survive here too, and more than this, we love it. Personally I wouldn’t leave Europe for US that easily.
so as i was saying, you see, it’s not the exchange rate, it’s just that Americans are used to things being much much cheaper (gas is a true knockout, when I hear people complaining about the price of a GALLON being high I always get a good laugh). Here it’s approx equivalent $1.7 per LITER
– and remember that salaries are about the same
ok enough rambling, JD i enjoy your posts though my views are just a bit different (i agree with _most_ things)
see you
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