What Developing Nations Can Teach Us About Personal Finance
Published on - July 27th, 2007 (by J.D. Roth) This guest post from Terry M. contains strong language.
Most readers of this blog are from the United States, Canada, or the United Kingdom. We have an extraordinarily high standard of living compared to most of the world, and I feel there are a lot of lessons to be learned from how people live in developing countries.
I have traveled a bit, mainly in Latin America, southeast Asia, and India. In most of these regions, the middle class earns $500-$1000 per month, and this is considered quite a good income. At world standards, income of $1/day brings you above extreme poverty. $2/day puts you above poverty level. Something to think about.
Driving in India
I spent a month working in Bangalore, India, last year, and it has had a tremendous impact on how I view the way I live. At the time I had been driving my SUV eight miles each way to work, alone. In Bangalore, there is a system of buses, and the employers all operate buses to go from the main residential districts to the offices. Every day in Bangalore I took the bus to and from work, for free. In Bangalore most people take the bus to work.
Public transportation is good, and you can also get a ride on auto-rickshaw very cheap, maybe around $1-$2 to anywhere in the city. Some people have cars, but even more people have motorbikes, a nearly forgotten mode of transport in developed countries.
A motorbike costs about 1/10th the price of a car, and costs maybe 1/5th as much to operate. Say all you want about how the cost of living is cheaper in India than in developed nations, but gasoline costs about 2x what it does in the U.S. and any imported car costs 2x as much as the US due to the 100% import tax. So how do Indians get away spending so much less on transportation than we do? When I went to Bangalore I realized immediately that my American lifestyle of driving to work in my SUV alone every day was a total waste, an enormous waste, an enormous inefficiency I cannot begin to describe.
Living in Mexico
For three years I have been dating a Mexican girl. She lives in the country’s third-largest city, which is a two-and-a-half hour drive from the U.S. border. She has a Master’s degree in psychology, and earns $600 a month. This is a solid middle-class living. She lives well, easily pays all of the bills, and when she comes here to visit me is able to spend more money at the luxury malls in the U.S. than I can even though I earn almost 20x more than she does. In Mexico, imported name-brand clothes from the U.S. are much more expensive than in the states, and carry much more social significance.
What’s the secret? Probably the biggest is that she lives with her parents. This is a common theme throughout almost every country on the planet. In most of the world it is not normal for single people to live on their own. People will live with their extended families and save a hell of a lot of money on living expenses. Free housing? Sounds good to me. Housing is cheaper in many parts of the world than in the U.S., but not by that much; I pay $700 a month for rent here in the US, but in in most major world cities it still costs several hundred dollars. Not nearly enough of a difference to make up for the 10x-20x salary differential. Those in developing nations are just a hell of a lot smarter than we are about how they spend money.
One can also look to the “undocumented immigrants” in the US. The third-biggest component of the Mexican economy (behind oil and tourism) is money sent home from Mexicans living abroad. They do the work that we refuse to do, in many cases earning less than minimum wage, but yet live so frugally they have enough money to send home to make an enormous impact on a major world economy. While you are drowning in debt up to your ears paying off your mortgage, the guys who did the actual work to create your house have no debt and their income so far exceeds their spending they are able to save big time and send money back home. How do Mexicans spend so much less on living in our country than we do? I’d love to see statistics on this, but I bet the average Mexican immigrant spends a hell of a lot less money living in the U.S. than we do.
Coming from Laos
My best friend in college was from Laos, one of the poorest, most corrupt, and most fucked-up countries on the planet. His family were refugees who came to the U.S. during the problems that country was having in the mid-to-late 1970s. His parents speak no English, and literally have less than an eighth grade education, and never earned more than minimum wage. But between the two of them, they worked three, or four, maybe even five, full-time jobs, including positions none of us would ever do, such as forklift operator.
They easily paid off a house in the U.S., and put three kids through college and achieving the American Dream many times over what I will ever achieve. Out of all my friends, my Laotian friend is the most spoiled, and his parents always got him the latest and greatest gadgets,
and I was shocked when he told me they sent him $100K cash as a down payment for a condo in downtown Chicago.
I’ve never been to Laos but I’ve been to other southeast Asian countries which neighbored Laos. In any of them you can have a hearty meal at a restaurant for less than $1. So why are we spending hundreds of dollars a month on grocery bills spending all sorts of dollars on our fancy organic name brand food, when we can eat well and eat more for so much less. I’ve priced food in many developing nations, and for basic ingredients the prices are approximately the same worldwide. How we Americans manage to spend more than a hundred dollars on food per month I will never understand — yet I do it every month!!
Happy in Colombia
My favorite country to visit in the world is Colombia. It has the most beautiful and most awesome natural beauty I have ever seen anywhere on this planet, and has the truly nicest, most generous, and most kind-hearted people in the world. When I retire I want to live in central Colombia and live on the coffee plantations, whose mountain scenery is so crazy gorgeous it cannot even begin to be expressed in words.
Colombia is a very poor country, and has been torn apart by violent civil war for the past four decades. There are more internally displaced persons here than any other country in the world, except for the Democratic Republic of Congo. Bogota is a major world city yet in the vast suburban slums just outside the capital, many people are starving to death (literally), and lack running water and functional sewage systems.
While we can afford the latest iPhone and various other luxuries, a mere four hour plane ride away from the richest country on the planet, some people cannot even afford to feed themselves. Yet the people of Colombia are happy. They place extraordinary emphasis on family and friends, and are not defined by the size of the house they live in or the gadgets they have.
The average Colombian I have met seems a lot more happy and content than the average American I have met whose life is consumed by go-go-corporate-takeover lifestyle. I don’t know about you, but I spend one-third of my life sleeping, and I can vouch that it is more enjoyable when I know people care for me, than when my only concern is the latest rat-race of the week, bucking for the latest promotion. When you walk down the street anywhere in Colombia, people will smile at you, you can strike up conversation with any stranger, and they project happiness. I think the Colombians are on to something.
Spending in the U.S.
What the hell is wrong with us??
Here we are living in the most prosperous parts of the world, earning $50K-$100K per year, which is truly a fortune by world standards (literally more than the “average earthling” will earn in a lifetime), yet we are up to our ears in debt, and can barely make ends meet, and seem to be generally unhappy. We complain about fililng our car with $3/gallon gas, but the truth of the matter is that 90% of the world cannot afford to buy a gallon of gas let alone even dream of affording the car in the first place.
Meanwhile, our counterparts in developing nations are living the high life, saving money, and helping others out on 5% or 10% of our salary. Are we the most spoiled people who have ever walked the planet? Are we living unsustainably beyond normal world means? Or is our economy built on an enormous house of cards? I’m very interested to hear other’s opinions about the dichotomies which exist in the world economy between the rich and the poor. I’m particularly interested in how people in rich countries have been influenced by the economics and lifestyles of developing nations.
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That’s a very thought provoking piece… Thanks!
A.J.
The New Self
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Thanks, J.D., for the thoughtful post, and I am sorry to read all the comments from people who find it offensive.
I believe the article is meant to be a thought provoking piece that can get us to find ways to be more frugal ourselves and find ways to change our life to be better (happier), with “change to be better” echoing with my own values. And not with the intention to argue that Americans should be just like these 3rd world countries, which is the reasoning a majority of the people used in their comment to refute this post.
No, we shall not have to live in a 200sq ft apt, or some shed in the middle of no where, but neither shall a single person live in a 4000sq ft mansion.
No, we shall not have to eat crap food, but neither shall we spend $1000 eating out per month.
No, we shall not live like a miser so we can retire at 45, but neither shall we live as pure hedonists.
Anything taken to extremity is a bad thing. Find your own way to live simpler and happier, and not live a life that is bloated and driven by consumerism and capitalism.
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I come from Kenya.A small country in Esat Africa. OUr incomes normally is roughlry $500 per month. This is what most average Kenyans earn, teachers, civil servants, journalists etc. Of course there are a few who earn obscene amounts like our Members of parliaments. However for the rest os us we have to survive pay to pay. The most common thing is people having petty business on the side to make ends meet. Like selling second hand clothes, a small buchery etc. With the dabeta going on here, it is obvious that Americans are very lucky. Of course there might be people in America who might not be rich according to the US standards, but if they come here, they would be way above the average Kenyan. Not many Kenyans own cars. Instead we have bicyle taxis. recently motorcycle taxis and tuk tuks have started operating. Public transport is not very reliable but we have no alternative. so america, appreciate the fact that you are much better off than us in the developing world. About living on less, most of us grow our own foods. Then we get fresh food, but in most of the cases it is out of no choice at all. The biggest percentage of Kenyan population is unemployed and have to survive on their crop lands. When the weather is not good for the crop, then it means relief food has to be provided.
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I lived in South America for several years, in Buenos Aires to be precise, and my experience was completely different. I made $13 a month (at the time, this was a huge salary in their currency) and even though I had no debt, it was because I couldn’t afford to buy anything. Even though my life was insanely frugal (no choice but to have it this way), I ran out of money for food around the 20th of every month. The situation was worse for people who didn’t have my “highly paid” teacher’s job. I find your article fascinating because I’ve also lived in many of the areas you write about, and my experience was completely different. It is quite interesting for me to see how different people can perceive things so differently.
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I cannot believe how stupid and iggnorantmost americans are. If you ask most of them what the capital of India is, they will not know, yet everybody here in India willknow what the capitla of america is. Americans by far are just ignorant about the world, I probaly know more abour americanhistory than most americans to be quite honest and I live in India. Americanslive in a bubble,a country run by the free mason society, it is the masonic culture of our time.Americans cant even see what is really going on in their country. If I were in American, I would try to gte out, because in 15 years the middle class will truely be homeless as other nations are benefiting from american greed. We here laugh at theamericans because ourmiddleclashere in India have much more purchasing power than most americans and our middle clas is going upwards while the west is going downwards and we are a 3rd world country. How Funny.
I agree with this persons article
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This excellent post highlights a really useful thing: the “diminishing returns” curve. First world, 3rd world, wherever; once you have a minimum standard of material living, more material wealth is all just “diminishing returns.” All the supposedly virtuous hard work you may do to fuel your SUV, heat and cool your 3000 square foot home etc, is your choice . . but the post really asks us all to consider whether we consciously want to make such choices. Seeing how possible, in fact easy, it is to live without the SUV etc. isn’t a form of sacrifice at all. And it’s emphatically not a matter of dissing the first world. It’s really a question of recognizing how much wealth even a moderately paid person really has, and making the choices that liberate you from the need for “more, more.” I’m not that far down this road, but (for example) I haven’t owned a car for 10 years, and I can tell you that my 45-minute walks to work, or 20 minute bike rides, are a treasure rather than a sacrifice. (And this is true even here in Canada in -20 winters!) I chose my house so I could do this, and it’s a net benefit on every level.
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I come to this site quite often and found this article interesting, not for the content, but for the comments. It’s quite fascinating to see how an article can be perceived
I am from India, but have been living here for half my life. I think you can (and a lot of people do) write a similar article in India about the great qualities of life in America. Again, a lot of it is individual experiences, I guess. A recent episode stands out: We were dropping our in-laws off at the airport recently (Irony alert: As Indian immigrants,we were driving two cars ), and my wife’s car had a flat tire. A gentleman stopped his car and put in the spare tire (…and this happened on the way to JFK – goes to show how a “typical” New yorker is). My mother-in-law said it would never have happened in India.
I love living here and would have no problems going back and living in India, or elsewhere, because…. My parents in India kicked us out of the house (lovingly, of course) when we were 15 years of age and asked us to learn to live by ourseleves, with some substitute money provided by them.
Ironies abound…
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I’ve been to some of the “poorer” countries – Africa, Central America. It has always surprised me how little it takes for most of these people to be happy. I think part of my surprise comes from my materialistic mindset that dictates that being poor by definition means being unhappy. One causes the other.
It kind of upsets me that some of the poor (not starving) people I’ve seen in these countries have things in their lives that they enjoy – familly, music, gardening, friends, etc., that cost them little and make them happier than I am. It’s a mind-opening experience.
I have always come away thinking that maybe I’m the one who should be envying them.
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i am touched by this article.. i think this is a piece to let the whole world know what is really going on between poor and rich people in the classy world and 3rd world…
It is good to know that U.S has helped immigrants by providing a job, immigrants worked hard to give a contrubution on U.S economy… But most touching part in this life’s story is that out of what they received from U.S, they shared their love by what is given and entrusted to them…
some of the americans, on the other hand, were used to be driven by pleasures of this world; until they got caught-up by their debts… but it’s never too late.. the lesson learnt is a step for an action.
i thank u writer… your journey to many places has made u to know more things of the real world…
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Smile. I bought into the 1980′s Yuppy J-crew, glass of wine and a Bonner at the Marriot Vision…high rent and high taxes…and fast lane…problem is…just this year I found out I’m retarded.
I can’t rent a car, a hotel room, buy an outfit, or do the things I want to do on my state check. But, I also can’t envision any other nation giving some guy 9,631 dollars worth of rice(rich) either.
From my relgious point of view “all” my “good” deeds chased me down and now I’m eating milk,honey,bread,water,meat from the kings table.
I would like to be more independent again. I dated foreign girls and they are just as crazy but more old fashioned. The economy is fine. Its just in Asia now. We need to up Startrek (maybe) and down the fat, lazy entitlement hubris thing.
Farmwork and tough life doesn’t let you be neurotic.
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Unbelievable nonsense. India has cotton growing farmers who cannot repay debt and commit suicide. It has one of the largest rail networks on the face of the planet, so whenever people need to protest, they tear up rail tracks, hardly a trait of ‘happy’ people. That’s democracy Indian style. Smiling at foreigners is inherent trait in India. Most of the time they are just staring at foreigners. Same way they stare at any oddly dressed individual. And people in India don’t really share their concerns with visiting guests, white or otherwise. They would rather have you believe that they are very happy.
Columbia has had civil war for so many years, hardly the sign of a well contented ‘happy’ people.
The average Columbian is not more sad then the average American. The average Columbian is far too busy scraping together lunch to be sad. Its difficult to be sad when you are ducking bullets. The smile is the smile of desperation. When you don’t know if you would be alive tomorrow, then it brings a remarkable clarity to your life. If you do not have to worry about mortgages, its easy to be happy. When you see your friends die or get killed in war, it is easy to be happy about being alive. And yes, when you see a foreign face in a crowd of walking dead, its easy to smile.
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This post reminds me of something my mom says:
Use it up
Wear it out
Make it do
Or do without.
The people in developing nations have adopted this saying as a lifestyle. They could definitely teach us something about being content with what we have. Compared with developing nations in this world we are spoiled brats….
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Americans are coerced from birth to buy, buy, buy. You are nothing if you don’t have this gadget or latest handbag. You are worthless if your jeans don’t cost at least $100. As Americans we are heavily encouraged to spend, spend, spend. We believe this will make us happier, cooler, sexier, more desirable. The advertisers do a hell of a job.
Although we are one of the richest nations in the world, capitalism comes at a price. We are working every day for our STUFF. For material things when we should look to our friends and family for contentment. Kept in the rat race because we think we *need* this or that. When will people learn that the latest iPhone will not make them happy?
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Something people in a lot of developing countries do is also grow their own food. My husband is always fascinated when he sees a chicken in a city or can eat fresh fruits straight from the hostess’s yard. The local zoning ordinances for most cities would probably prohibit having chickens or cows in their yard. I think average life expectancy is a little odd as a measure, they are averages, so death as a result of violence, not hunger can skew the numbers, and in places like Colombia, that could really skew things a lot so that the 3 years difference of life expectancy could be the result of the guerrilla warfare and not about anything else. I also think there’s something to be said about “less stress”. I just spent three weeks in venezuela (that is where I was born and raised until my teens). I went back as an adult and it hit me how “unstressed” people were…it wasn’t about poverty or wealth…or things versus non-things. Because very few people have credit cards…there isn’t that frequent bombardment of bills which can make you feel less well off than you are. There’s also not that worry that if you don’t have work one month you’ll be evicted or lose your means of transportation(as people have mentioned parents own homes however humble and children live with them until they could buy their own home). You don’t have to worry about the terms of a health insurance policy if you have one, or whether a provider could take your insurance, or that you don’t have insurance at all, because whether good or bad you know that you’ll be able to get some care…I think we have that additional thing to worry about “how long will be healthy for” which people in other countries don’t seem to worry about. There is also a lot of choice, which can be stressfull…when I go into a store, there are a million of the same products…so I know right away that I can’t afford the $50.00 shampoo…and I know it’s out there because I saw it, but then I worry about whether I got the best $3.00 shampoo vs the other $3.00 shampoo. Maybe the fact that we have so many choices makes us think as a premise that we have to have an item and the question then is which one and we don’t stop to ask ourselves if we need the thing to begin with. My husband has very little hair, so when we first got married I went to get a shampoo and conditioner for him because I thought he ran out…he was so confused that I thought he needed two things for his hair as he didn’t need a shampoo and conditioner…he felt very spoiled because he ended up getting a two-in one shampoo and conditioner…so I asked what is it he used and he said he used soap for everything. That had never occurred to me because “well, everyone uses shampoo…look at the isles”. Anyways, I think some of what makes us feel “broke” or “poor” can be psychological…like if you get one credit card bill for 20k debt as opposed to 4 credit card bills for 5k each. And then there are things that we do to indebt us that has nothing to do with what we need and has nothing to do with whether our life is improved by it…and because very few of us pay in cash anymore we forget to ask ourselves is spending that $50.00 really worth the number of hours I’d have to work to get it? People in developing countries don’t have multiple bills and still pay mostly in cash whcih makes all the psychological games we play with ourselves easier to control.
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Very interesting conversation.
My dad has lived overseas and travelled quite a lot for business. In his circles, the proper way of interacting with the locals, who are often extremely poor, is to hire them. Western families living in Indonesia may have three or four full-time employees in their homes: housekeeper, cook, nanny, driver, gardener, handyman, the list goes on. The income difference is such that the Western family can hire all these people with minimal impact to its own budget while providing its employees with the means to support their own families. Westerners can live as cheaply as locals – food, transportation, and housing cost the same no matter who you are – but when drawing a US-sized income, it only makes sense to spread the wealth around.
My dad hired an ayi – part-time cook and housekeeper – while living in Beijing. At his office, where there are always new people arriving and others returning to the US or Europe, etiquette requires that departing Westerners find new employment for their workers – and that new arrivals hire someone. Outgoing families pitch the skills of their soon-to-be-unemployed ayis to those just arriving in town. The arrangement benefits everyone.
As I said, a very interesting conversation.
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I’ve been to places like Thailand, Philippines and Malaysia as well. What I really enjoyed there is the cheap delicious food. Yes its possible to get a good meal for 1 USD for a plate of rice, meat, soup and some garnishing . I’ve lived in Thailand and the Philippines for a few years and I’m pretty sure that buying groceries (especially fresh food) in the US is much more expensive. Also food is not the only thing that is cheap here. Clothing, housing and just having fun here is much cheaper.
Its actually great to be an expatriate earning a US/Euro salary while living in these places. I found myself saving more because how cheap the standard of living here. It was great actually.
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