Today’s guest post comes from M, a blogger and writer living in San Francisco. She keeps a fascinating personal blog, as well as Bay Area Love Letters, a site devoted to San Francisco and Northern California.
Decide how much to save in an emergency fund…Research how to determine amount of life insurance coverage needed…Brainstorm ways to save on health insurance costs…Increase 401K contributions to take advantage of company match…
All these items and more are on our financial to-do list. You know what I’m talking about, right? Whether you are just starting to try to control your finances, as my husband and I are, or you are a seasoned pro at personal finance, you probably have a list (written or mental) of how you can improve.
But in the midst of all this progress, it’s important to not lose sight of the things you are doing right. So often, we turn our attentions toward what we need to improve and forget to acknowledge what we’ve been doing well along the way (and thus need to continue doing).
Here’s to an end to that pattern: a post all about my longtime personal finance and frugality habits that I’m happy with and proud of. Because what we do well is just as important to recognize as what we can improve.
Though I am still learning about personal finance every day and always finding new ways to improve, there are lots of things I already do right and have managed to do right all along. For example:
- Dye my hair with drugstore brand dye. No salons, ever (except for occasional cuts. Come on, I’m a girl, and I have curly hair).
- No mani/pedis, except done by me at home.
- No regular spa or massage sessions.
- No gym fees. Exercise at home or outside for the cost of a pair of running shoes (replaced once or twice a year).
- Share one car between two people.
- Rely almost exclusively on public transit for commute to work and many other trips.
- Save on hotel costs and other travel expenses by taking mostly day trips instead of overnights.
- Take the Greyhound instead of a train/plane for short trips (4-5 hours).
- Live in cheapest housing available in decent neighborhoods. (Two people + large dog + small studio apartment? Check.) This makes a huge difference to the bottom line at the end of the month and allows for a little more discretionary spending without guilt.
- Used furniture for most of my adulthood. (Only recently did we buy some new furniture — all at good prices, though).
- No — or close to no — vacations except short road trips or, occasionally, places where we could stay with friends instead of in hotels.
- No trips abroad, no major vacations.
- Stay at lower cost hotels when traveling, except for a few special occasions (such as wedding anniversary). And recently, we have been leaning toward skipping pricey hotels in any circumstances, even on special occasions.
- Bring packed lunch daily.
- Make coffee at home every day rather than buying out.
- No microwave, and no frozen foods (which are usually costlier than making a meal).
- Eat at home regularly. Make meals mostly from scratch. (This is good for health, too.)
- Split one meal between two of us when eating out.
- Mostly order (free) water at restaurants instead of other beverages.
- Quit smoking.
- Rarely drink alcohol.
- No/few concerts and other expensive entertainment. Find low cost entertainment, such as watching videos at home, and, on occasion, attending low price community theater and dance performances.
- Make special occasions cheaper by sharing dessert or appetizers instead of having a full meal. We may go somewhere pricey that we’ve always wanted to try, but we’ll have just a drink and an appetizer there, instead of a full meal.
- Free/cheap recreation such as hiking, swimming, galleries, etc.
- Make own popcorn for movies. Bring candy and drinks to avoid paying high theater prices.
- Limit junk food.
- Miss weddings and other occasions (unfortunately) due to travel costs.
- Return items we don’t like/use/need (in unused condition).
- No expensive beauty services: waxing, eyebrow shaping, highlights, etc. All but cuts done at home. Husband cuts own hair.
- Drink filtered tap water. Avoid buying bottles of water. Bring own water when going out.
- Keep lights off when not needed.
- Rarely use heat or air if not absolutely needed.
- No expensive hobbies or collections.
- Buy used books.
- Make own protein shakes, no Jamba Juice, etc.
- Buy only what is really needed: Skip high-priced electronics and trendy, new gadgets. Buy necessary items with only the features we need. Don’t splurge on luxury add-ons.
- Keep items for as long as possible (I’ve had, for example, the same comforter and TV, and more, since high school. More than 15 years later, I still use these items regularly).
- Buy quality (doesn’t have to mean pricey) and keep it. Save on having to buy regular replacements.
- Make greeting cards instead of buying.
- Planned low-cost wedding without compromising quality and preferences.
- Pay bills on time. No late fees.
- Good credit = good interest rates, better luck with housing and other areas.
- And, a new habit: Once-a-week “meeting of the minds” with my husband about our finances.
What do you think of my frugal habits? What good financial habits do you have that you’re happy with and proud of?
Addendum: M dropped me a line to say that she’s posted two responses to this discussion at her personal site: We are so much richer than you may realize and Response and thoughts on my Get Rich Slowly post.
This article is about Psychology, Real-Life, Self-Improvement Thursday, 2nd August 2007 (by J.D. Roth)


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August 2nd, 2007 at 1:21 pm
1) Recycle cans. In a California, each can equals to 5 cents.
2) CFL lights.
3) Instead of taking expensive exercise classes at a gym, take them at the local community college or parks and recreation classes.
4) Instead of getting blockbuster, utilize your public library. You will be surprised with all the selection.
5) Grow you own herbs and vegetables.
6) Try composting.
August 2nd, 2007 at 1:27 pm
I think there’s frugal and there’s FRUGAL. Glad to hear your habits are working for you, but I think it all sounds a little overboard. What are you spending your money on? I make it a goal to save and prepare for the future, but then, I have fun now. I’m not going to waste my whole life being miserable just so I can have a lot of money in the bank.
August 2nd, 2007 at 1:37 pm
all good points, and while I understand that with a financial goal in mind, not taking vacations is a sacrifice that must be made, but I find that I can take international vactations fairly cheaply, and the experience and the memories are worth their weight in gold. if i have that vacation to look forward to (generally in third world countries living on $20 a day, not including airfare), I can get by without alot of daily splurges, and I even feel it saves me money… especially when I think about how little people in other countries are able to live with… and how excessively consumptive Americans generally are….
August 2nd, 2007 at 1:46 pm
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August 2nd, 2007 at 1:49 pm
wow - that sounds like a pretty grim existence. i consider myself frugal but i guess i’m not capital F Frugal.
August 2nd, 2007 at 1:53 pm
MissPinkKate?
Wow. really? Those are habits I’ve had–by personal preference–my whole adult life, and never considered it a hardship or even thought of myself as frugal. As for what I spend my money on–right now it’s medical bills and health insuance, since I’ve had a chronic illness most of my life that has greatly worsened the past few years. Before that, I didn’t make much money as a high school teacher. But to answer your question I spent on movies, clothing, books, art supplies, and my pet–in other words, I spent my spending money on the things I care about that make me happy, just like everyone else does. Miserable is the last thing I am or have been (other than for my health which is out of my hands. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
August 2nd, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Also, to add to my comment above, our household spends quite a bit on healthy, organic, vegetarian diet, something we are working on reducing the cost of while still maintaining the healthy factor.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 pm
I agree with MissPinkKate. Perhaps there’s a context here that’s not stated. But absent that, this list just depresses me. Deprivation and frugality are not the same thing! Significant deprivation toward a goal (getting out of debt, saving for a purchase) or due to circumstance (reduced income) is one thing, but outside those circumstances, it’s hopefully not something one practices as routine “good finance.” I consider being frugal to mean practicing habits that result in the best use of your financial resources in light of your goals. So frugality should be a means, not an end in itself.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Gosh, as I was looking through the list I was thinking it might be a practical joke - like at the end there would be a big GOTCHA to say “you really believed one person did all these things?”
Seems a bit extreme, if ya ask me.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:08 pm
You are willing to miss weddings that you would like to go to… to save the money. For what is my question? Are you saving your money in hopes of one day having a big pile o’ cash to look at? I’d rather be frugal so I can go and see my friends getting married and go on fab vacations rather than be miserly.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:09 pm
OK, so M has filled in some blanks about her situation and values, which makes the post more understandable. I still think it’s confusing to present that list as simply things that are “right” for personal finance in general, as seems to be implied.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Try swapping out used books for library books– I am absolutely addicted to the local library. San Francisco public library lets you order up books online and ships them to the branch of your choosing. You get an email when they’re ready for pickup. Kinda like Netflix, for books, only free!
Otherwise, great list, but there’s no way I could say “No” to travel. Life is too short!
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:18 pm
A lot of that stuff seems like just common sense. But a lot of it seems a bit much. My family lives in another province. I go see them 3 times a year. I have friends who live outside the province too and I go visit them. I also plan on travelling abroad next year. I will save up for this. I like concerts. I like eating out sometimes. I like treating myself. Though some of the items on your list simply don’t apply to me (I don’t dye my hair, and massage is covered by my work health plan), it just sounds really boring. I’m sure you live a full life and are doing what’s right for you and your family, but if I want to do something big with my money I’ll do it.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Wow, I’m soooo suprised at the comments here. Maybe I’ve focused too much on what I don’t do, and am giving the wrong impression? I’ve been feeling guilty and what I do spend and thinking I really need to buckle down, and it seems that to others, it seems like I am being way too frugal/miserly?
In context, I have always had a lower salary (ad a teacher or working in nonprofits), and high rent (in the bay area, ny, washington dc areas). Right now, I am chronically ill and a large portion of what we have goes to health costs. But even before that, I only had enough for the basics (rent, food, insurance, etc.) and very little more.
But I have NEVER been unhappy or miserable. I go on road trips, the beach, art museums, art galleries, ballet, theater, opera, restaurants. Explore the city, stay in a hotel a few times a year, exercise almost daily, watch movies, live in a place I really, really love, create are, write, buy clothing, have a pet, cook nice meals, see friends, and more. Does that sound miserable? Because it’s actually very enjoyable and feels like I am taking everything I enjoy that this world has to offer without going broke doing it.
Don’t look at my post from the context of high paying salaries. Then it may seem frugal, though I doubt I would change if I did have more money. These are things I do because I want to (for the most part, sharing meals at dinner we do to save), because I spent what I have on things that matter most, and because I do not enjoy waste or excess.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Most of it sounds sensible and some healthy tips. But some of its just too grim !
No trips ? Miss weddings ? One still needs a life.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:22 pm
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August 2nd, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Don’t your relatives/friends feel bummed you didn’t make it to their weddings? Or is that just a sometimes you go and sometimes you don’t sort of thing? It’s often really important to relatives to have their relatives at important events. I had trouble making it to my brother’s second, (yes, not first) wedding and got some help from my mother. It wasn’t because I couldn’t afford to go, it’s that I had to take my daughter with me too! They understood it was a financial burden for both of us to show up, but they were happy to make it possible for us to do so too. My brother even let me stay in his house to defray the hotel bills. So, don’t just say no because you don’t have the money. There are always great ways to meet your goals, even when you have no money. Money shouldn’t be the deciding factor on whether you do or don’t do something. That’s just my opinion. It’s a good article but it does seem overly-focused and for me, it would mean having a joyless existence. But, everyone’s different.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:31 pm
LZ–I have been doing that with the library actually and love it and just wrote a post about it a few days ago. Glad you are using that resource too.
Melissa–If I had more money, believe me I’d use it on a few trips as well–so long as the basics were taken care of. But as I wrote in other comments, you have to read my post in the context of someone who doesn’t have a ton of money to work with.
But I’ve got my own list of things I enjoy, and though I do like travel, I’ve got a lot of other things I enjoy equally or more that cost a lot less. I spend, like everyone else, on what matters most to me: good, healthy food, literature and the arts of all kinds, creative pursuits, outdoor pursuits, exploring the city.
But don’t get me wrong, we do splurge when we can. We have stayed in luxury hotels for anniversaries (just one night though), we’ve taken nice road trips and the Ca. coast has the most amazing choices for local travel–places other fly from all over the world just to see, we can drive to in a few hours or less.
Currently, we might not be able to enjoy even those splurges, because we are in a bind right now, but when we are back to normal finances again someday (I hope), we will indulge a bit more, but I still won’t be getting mani/pedis or living in a big house or chi-chi neighborhood. I just don’t believe in spending on those things; we all have to spend on the things we value most. I
We are out there every day enjoying life. I think when this post was on my blog I didn’t get this response–another reason it’s surprised me–because those who read my blog regularly know all about the many activities I do and about how I enjoy my life.
And I hate to say we are now even more frugal than that list, but that’s because we are in financial trouble due to my chronic health problems. I hope JD lets me do a post about that, because I think it’s important to talk about how finances are affected once you have a lifelong illness and disability. It can be really hard in this country, but that’s a whole other issue I won’t get into here. Anyway I guess I should pat myself on the back, here I was thinking I needed to do much better, and yet, I’ve been frugal, by some standards at least, all along!
Thanks for your comments!
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:36 pm
Anon,
We stopped going to out of state weddings when I came down with a chronic illness. But I think even before that, if we did not have the money–and we already owe a lot in student loan debt and medical debt–then we’d have to see on a case by case basis. For very close family and friends, we’d do all we could to go, of course.
But since we are on a tight income, some weddings require spending a large percentage of our income just to go, and sadly, we haven’t been able to. I think so far, the friends and family have understood and many had not been able to make it to our wedding for similar reasons, so when it came time for theirs, I think they understood.
Since I have a health condition, we have to be much more careful than the average person, but I tried not to list our habits that came about because of that on this list–I wanted it to be mostly just the frugal habits I’ve had my whole life.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:37 pm
M: Thank you for your great ideas. While one-size does not fit all when it comes to frugality, you definately gave all of us readers some well considered points. I personally think many of your choices increase the quality of life, not limit it … rarely do I find a meal out as good as a well cooked one at home. For me, I’d add planting a garden and growing my own veggies (saves money and is wonderfully relaxing!) and shopping in the Mission and/or farmer’s markets for produce instead of Safeway.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:44 pm
I have no doubt that you are happy (or at least, aren’t miserable) because of how you choose to spend/save your money. I do think that when someone reads your list, especially maybe the points related to travel and missing events, it seems very restrictive, it seems that you’d LIKE to do those things but NEVER do because of cost and not necessarily because you’d rather spend the money elsewhere and/or because you HAVE to spend the income you get elsewhere (i.e. medical bills). I think some of the counter-points in your comments shed better light on things!
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:55 pm
I don’t think you sound overboard frugal to me–this is all stuff that I’ve been doing for years, too.
I live in New York City and got by on a stipdend and then very small salary when I first moved here. I’ve had as many as four roommates (in a four bedroom apartment), and I sold my car when I moved up here. I bring lunch or eat at super-cheap places (subway for $4 is a luxury) at work, and cook at home for all other meals. For five years, I didn’t get a single hair cut (part of that was pure hatred of salons who didn’t get my curly hair, though–I trimmed it myself when absolutely necessary, but I also liked it long. Now a hairstylist friend does it for $25 a pop and does an amazing job every couple months). I take candy and drinks to the movies–or I did, before I quit going to the movies entirely. Now I have blockbuster’s lowest internet plan and get five movies a month for $6.49.
I do have one pricey hobby, belly dancing–but I managed to join a company and earn enough money performing to keep me in costumes, accessories, classes, and travel for the jobs. I only travel home to visit family, and that only once or twice a year. I’ve saved enough to build a respectible emergency fund, put down money on a really great apartment, and fund retirement plans, and I feel more secure with money in the bank than shiney new polish on my toes. I plan to go back to school, which will be a big expense but my frugal habits have me ready for it.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Scarfish,
Now you’re dong something right. I think for those of us who live in expensive cities without high salaries, some of these habits are a necessity. But for you, it’s paid off in home ownership, further education, and reaching toward your goals.
I hope that will be the case for me someday, too. Unfortunately, though I’ve been frugal by nature, I guess, I could have been much better in other financial areas, like budgeting, which we’ve only just started to do now (I’ve always lived within my means, but am sure I could have saved much more if I used a budget), and have had bad luck in the form of serious illness that is pretty disabling and limits my income and raises my spending, and so I haven’t seen that payoff from my frugality.
Now, my husband and I are working on rectifying that and really taking control of our finances and trying to figure out how the hell to make it when medical costs often far outweigh our ability to pay them!!
You are doing great and I hope one day to be in your shoes. I absolutely LOVE New York, and it’s mine and my husband’s dream to live there someday for good.
Thanks for your comment.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Your article seems to contradict what you say in comments.
So yes, you probably did concentrate too much on what you don’t do, and neglected to mention the areas where you do spend money.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:21 pm
I must say, as I was reading the list, I was thinking the same things as some of the other commenters. Life is for living, I wouldn’t give up some of my more “extravagant” purchases, like vacations and good wine for more money in the bank. I just bought new furniture for my home office last weekend, replacing all of my mismatched purchases from the last 10 years, and I am sooo happy that everything now matches, and it is so much more efficient in my space. Fortunately I am in a position that I didn’t have to go into debt to make the purchase. I had to weigh my option of continuing to live with an ineffective mish mash every day, or keeping my bank account up $3000. For me it wasn’t a hard decision. I don’t need to be the richest person in the graveyard, I would rather lead a rich life. That doesn’t mean I spend money like water, I do many of the things listed as well; I eat at home almost everyday, make my own coffee, get most of my entertainment from the library, etc. It’s all about balance. As long as you have enough balance for you, what you are doing is just fine.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Your list does come off as living a pretty miserable existence. Some things I do as well - I get maybe two pedicures a year, haven’t had a prof. massage in years, and go to Great Clips for a $15 haircut every two-three months. We make coffee at home, and pack sandwiches and chips for lunch. We’re looking into splitting the cost of a beach house for the weekend with ten other people. When we take trips out of town, we stay with friends instead of hotels. But come on, surely you can have a tea or coke with your dinner? (unless it’s due to a medical condition) Do you splurge on a dessert? Do you just not like to drink alcohol, or are you abstaining purely to save money? There’s nothing like a well made chocolate martini, and at $7 a pop, it’s a nice, rare splurge.
I dunno. I’m glad you’re comfortable with the way you’re doing things, and it’s working for you! That’s what counts! It’s kind of like dieting, though - you have to let yourself enjoy something once in a while or you’ll be miserable. And if you enjoy free trips to the pool, fine! If you enjoy spending $50 for dinner and a drink, go for it. We only get one life to live!
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Maitresse,
That was the point of the post, what I’m doing right as far as frugality, so it would have defeated the purpose of the post to write about where I am spending money when the post is about how I am savingmoney.
But the comments are a good place to put the post in context, which is what I have done. Thanks for your input.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Verena,
Thanks. I realize the context is what makes the perspective here. I didn’t mean to present the list and make it appear as if I am suffering or depriving myself. Sure, I may loosen the belt a bit, so to speak, if and when we have more money to work with, but most of these habits are ones I would keep regardless of whether I had a bit more money or not.
I spend, when I can, on what I value. Luckily, I’ve been able to find ways to do what I value without spending a fortune. And I did say I spend on quality items, so that does mean paying a bit more than I could on items I intend to use longterm, such as clothing, rather than skimping and having to replace the item regularly.
But as you said, it’s about what you value, and I guess without knowing what’s important to me, the list makes it seem that I am depriving myself. I do have to deprive myself in some ways, but overall I find ways to do the things that matter as much as I can.
If I had more money would I spend more on the things that I value? Of course. But what’s on this list are the things I don’t value most in life (minus going to weddings of loved ones and maybe one or two other things).
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:34 pm
If you’re really only replacing your running shoes once or twice a year, you’ll be spending a lot more $$ on your knee/foot/back problems than you ever save on gym memberships. Midsoles start to break down at about 350 miles. Please do some research on this before you injure yourself!
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:50 pm
M,
Bravo! I don’t think what you’ve described is the slightest bit miserable, but I wasn’t surprised by the comments.
Some people are driven by how much they consume and others by how far they can make resources go. I understand your circumstances dictate a certain amount of necessity to what others may think of as “excessively un-fun”, but I can see (happily) that a lot of it is by choice and you do what’s important to you.
I didn’t look at your list with a “tsk, tsk, she needs to live” shake of the head as others did, but instead with a degree of envy. I am actively trying to simplify my consumption and get a little better every day.
Happiness, living, spending and saving are all very subjective topics… and what works for you others can’t see themselves doing, and vice versa. Personally, I think you have a very healthy outlook on life and what’s truly important and when it’s ok (for you) to splurge. Anyway, bravo.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:59 pm
I think it’s better to live well and increase your income than turn your life into one big chore…but have money to not spend.
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August 2nd, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Thanks Jason. I LOVE your comment and it’s nice to see that my approach is appealing for some. I think you totally get it that this is how I am choosing to live, and only one portion of those choices are influenced and dictated by necessity and finances.
I think what people aren’t seeing (and maybe I didn’t explain well) is by finding things to not spend on, we are able to spend on things we love. For example, because we share meals when dining out, we are able to dine at some of the nation’s top restaurants, and our bill is probably less than some couples spend on dining out at, say, Olive Garden or the local restaurant or wherever, a few times a week.
The point is we pay a lot to live in an pricey area, but that affords us so much of what we love at low prices. We can see a world class ballet, opera, museum etc. for the equivalent cost of going to the movies. We spend afternoons in the city walking around and enjoying the atmosphere for a few dollars’ cost of crossing a bridge or taking a train there.
So, it’s all a give and take. I guess what people assumed is the things I’m giving up are things I’d love to have but am not allowing myself. Granted, I still need to and want to keep costs down even with the things I love, but I’ve managed to find cheaper ways of doing what I love and not depriving myself (e.g going to the library and reading like mad–one of my favorite activities–without spending a dime).
Thanks for your comment–I totally appreciate it!!
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August 2nd, 2007 at 4:06 pm
By the way, I love getting the feedback on my habits–thanks to everyone who has commented– but I’d also be really interested in hearing an answer to the other part of my question: what are your habits that you’re proud of, and what are the ways you find to save so you can spend on the areas that really matter to you. What are the things you think YOU are doing right?
It would be great to hear because I think we can learn a lot from others, and it’s always enlightening to see how different people live their lives and focus on their priorities.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:12 pm
m –
I think your list sounds wonderful and I totally understood what you were saying. You have simplified and find pleasure in things that are also thrifty living. Don’t let some of the commenters trip you up into thinking you’re miserable.
The fact is, you’ve developed a lifestyle that works for you. You don’t “live life” by splurging on lattes and expensive dinners, or trips.
And I bet if there was a trip you REALLY wanted to take, you’d find a way to do it. The fact of it is that often family makes us feel we HAVE to take a trip — it’s smarter not to take trips you can’t afford, especially if they aren’t trips you especially want to take.
My list is similar, except that I still eat out more than my budget cares to. But that is because I am super-busy and it stresses me out to have to fix all my food at home.
Keep on doing what you’re doing.
db
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:27 pm
I also don’t believe what you described is miserable. As I read your list, I was going ‘yep, do that, yep, that one too’.
I’ve been a single mom of 3 children for many years. As they’re getting older, I finally feel like I can breathe a little bit with my finances; but instead of rushing to spend it on unnecessary things, I’m thinking of how to use it to fund my retirement. (Actually I need to think of how to get the last two through college..sigh) I’m in my mid-40’s with little to nothing saved due to the expenses of raising kids. I almost feel in panic mode for not having any savings. However, I have no credit card debt, can get us groceries for a month with $300 (sales and coupons) and my car is paid off. When we travel, I’m great at finding hotel deals and realize renting a car is better than stressing my older car on long trips. My entertainment expense is a Netflix account. We go to the park, play board games and visit with friends. We live in a safe neighborhood and my kids go to great schools. I am definitely frightened at not having savings or retirement funds….that’s a plan I’m working on now.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:29 pm
Why on earth would you take greyhound if you own a car?
Greyhound from SF to LA is $45/each, so $90 for two people. This takes 8-12 hours each way. (let’s say 10)
Assuming 400 miles each way, at 25mpg and $3/gallon, it costs $96 to drive to LA. This takes 5 hours each way.
So, you give up 20 hours of your time (10 hours each) to save $6. I hope you’re teaching salary is more than $0.30/hour.
If you’re going to be taking greyhound and public transit everywhere, why do you have a car?
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Tyler
If you read my post, you’ll see we take bus for 4-5 hour long trips. That means a 4-5 hour bus ride, not an 8-12 hour bus ride.
We have a car because 1) we have a dog and he is not allowed on most public transit and we do take him places, such as parks and trips 2) public transit, sadly, does not go everywhere we would like to go and need to go and 3) my health does makes public transit an option in every instance.
Also, if you read the post you’ll see it says we take the bus in place of plane or train and not in place of driving. That means we take the bus for trips taht the other option for us would be flying or Amtrak, and not that we take the bus for trips where driving is an option for us.
So, for instance we drive from SF to LA, because we wouldn’t consider plane or train in that case, but we bus from DC to NY, because in that situation our other option would be plane or tain.
Thanks for your interest in my post.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Thanks DB. No worries, none of the comments make me question what I’m doing in the least.
You’re quite right in your interpretation of my post and choices. And you’re right in your advice. Since I am very happy with my choices and habits, and know my priorities and values, comments to the contrary don’t sway me in any way. But I do find value in them in that they begin a discussion and a chance for all of us to think about different ways to live, and in that they expose me to other lifestyles and values that differ from mine.
I live in one of the best places in this country if not the world, I’ve lived in and/or visited many of the top cities (in my view) in the nation and most places in between the two coasts. I’ve been to some of the best museums, restaurants and enjoyed some of the best cultural experiences and natural beauty this nation has to offer, and I have a rich, creative, healthy, very fulfilling life.
Best of all, I have my education, my intellect, my creativity, lots of arts and literature in my life to enjoy, and most important of all, I am happy with who I am, I have love and a very happy marriage–none of which require money but are all I need to be “rich.” My life is quite good (despite my very poor health which is affecting our finances) and I couldn’t be happier every day with all I have and can do and have done.
Thanks so much for your comment. You are one of the ones who “get” my choices, and though I appreciate all the comments, of course it’s nice to hear that some people see the value in what you’re doing. If no one did though, I still wouldn’t change a thing! Thanks for writing.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:57 pm
I realize the point of the post was what you’re doing right, but this is so subjective. I think it would be better if you tried to appeal to a larger audience, or gave a bit more perspective.
For example, you own a dog. That is a big expense, and for nothing! Yet you often miss weddings. Well, that’s where your priorities lie, but you might want to stress that this is only based on your own priorities, and offer it as food for thought. You want to do art and go to movies, I want to go to Jamaica once in a while. I’m sure neither of us can do what we really want if we spend money on things that aren’t a high priority for us.
In short, you simply didn’t appeal to the majority of your intended audience, in my opinion. “Right” is highly subjective.
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:02 pm
Maitresse
Sorry you feel that way but I am quite happy with my post and my writing. I think it is understood that a writer writes from his or her own perspective, not that of others, so of course when I say what I’d doing right, I mean by my standards. I hope you will find other posts to read that are more to your liking and that appeal to what you percieve is the intended audience. Best wishes to you!
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:16 pm
I really do hope JD lets you do a post about finances and chronic illness. I don’t think many people truly understand whats involved. I’m in a similar position to you. My wife is very sick and even with my health insurance which is honestly better than almost any plan I’ve seen its still a lot of money. It isn’t just the doctors bills, there is so much more involved than that.
I agree with a lot of your list but the whole sharing a meal when going out just won’t work for me. I usually eat my meal and finish off my wifes for her, and I only weigh 144 pounds
Also the whole no big vacations and no trips abroad I could never do. Right now I agree but once all our debt is paid off I am going to save for a nice vacation. I loved the trip to Europe I took 7 years ago and really want to take my wife. Also I had a lot of fun at disney world when I was little and would like to take my daughter. Obviously these won’t be trips we take every year but I feel they are worth putting away a little extra for a few years to take.
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Sorry I’m not sure if my response to Tyler was clear. The point was supposed to be that we use Greyhound rather than flying somewhere close or taking a train somewhere close.
If we are able to drive, then plane or train are usually not even options, and we just drive. The reason we bus to NY from DC is because driving to NY can be pricey due to parking and is often inconvenient. The reason we don’t fly to NY or take a train is b/c the bus is infinitely cheaper. Hope that explains it.
To all who wrote in–
I appreciate all the comments here very much. Thanks for all who weighed in. What I take away from this exchange is that we all have different priorities and as long as we make room for are priorities without damaging our finances, we are all doing pretty well I would say.
I am happy with my choices but I know many of the rest of you might not make the same choices as me, and that doesn’t make any of us right or wrong.
My main point here was to remember to take stock of the good habits you already have, and I hope my post has served at least part of its purpose, since many of you confirmed just how happy you are with your choices by comparing them to mine and deciding you are quite content with your own way of life.
In responding to comments on my lifestyle, I, too, had the opportunity to confirm to myself just how happy I am with my choices.
I’ve enjoyed getting the feedback, and will try to respond again later if there are more comments. Please feel free to stop by and visit me on M’s Blog and Bay Area Love Letters.
Best,
M
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:27 pm
My links didn’t work in the comment above, but J.D.’s put them in in the post above. Hope to hear from some of you over where I hang out nearly every day: M’s Blog and Bay Area Love Letters.
Best,
M
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Just saw SICKO. If your problems are because of the US medical system, maybe you can get your meds/treatments cheaper by taking a 4-5 hour drive to either Canada or Mexico. I go the alternative health route myself because I don’t trust conventional treatments. They often make you sicker. Just an opinion, but it has worked for me. I just spent $55 on Frontline for the cat and THEN I found out about brewer’s yeast in the diet. I bought a 3-pack for $1.69 at the store. I estimate it will take about 4-5 days to use each pack, at 1 teaspoon a day in the food. So, I might have to buy another 3-pack for a month and a half treatment: Less than $4 overall. It worked better than Frontline. The only reason I investigated it was because Frontline failed. I’m still treating the house, but found out even the spray I use is only $6, so will go conventional on that. It kills flea larvae too. Every year it amazes me how many choices we truly have, if we just look for them. I can’t believe how ignorant I was to go for the Frontline. It’s the advertising that gets you all the time. You get desperate and there you are out buying another useless product.
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:44 pm
I am kind of surprised at the comments too. I agree with what Jason said, he basically said most of what I wanted to say.
I don’t know how some the people commenting live or what your income is, but my wife and I are trying to live by our own means. We don’t have large salaries and we don’t have support from our parents like others might have. We are trying to pay off debt, save a little for the future, and live on one and a half salaries.
Also I don’t feel that we are all that frugal, we try to save money when we can and plan for the future. I am glad some of you out there think we’re frugal. That makes me feel like I am doing something right, unfortunately with all that we do or maybe don’t do we still don’t have much left over to save. Maybe we are more simple, but most of the points M’s list we would be doing whether we had more money or not.
I also think there are a lot of people that think spending money equates to a “good” life or not spending money equate a “bad” life. a miserable life is ones own choice.
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:07 pm
M, great post. I do a good deal of the things you listed (the remainders don’t pertain to me in particular). I was amazed at how much one can save by not eating out for lunch every day at work! One thing I’d like to add is that I vanpool (no public transit in my area); joined one last fall that picked up about 3 miles from home. I joined a different one two months ago which picks up just half a mile from my house. Vanpooling has been great for the wear and tear on my older car and for the fuel bill as well. I plan on walking to the pick up lot when the weather gets a bit cooler. A bonus: I called my insurance company to see if I could get a rate reduction because of my decreased daily mileage and I did in the amount of $22. Every bit helps. I’ve gotten quite spoiled having someone drive me to and from work so that it now seems like a chore on the odd day that I’ll have to drive due to having to go in early or stay late.
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:42 pm
I don’t think your thriftiness is extreme at all, or a sign of deprivation! And you don’t need to justify your choices to anyone - if you’re happy with your life that’s what counts.
My family practices lots of “extreme” frugality:
We don’t have cable tv or a game system (we rent movies, watch PBS or read).
We never eat out (we eat homemade organic vegetarian meals).
We buy as many items as possible second hand.
We don’t drink soda or eat junk food.
We use the library extensively.
We have a nice, large country home, but very modest furniture and decor.
We drive older model cars.
We reuse baggies (dare I admit this?)
We grind our own grain to make flour for baking; make everything from scratch.
We don’t buy many clothes - just what we really need.
I’ve always cut everyone’s hair in the family.
When we travel, we stay in modest places and make our own meals. We concentrate on inexpensive activities like national parks, hiking, beaches.
On the other hand, we know our priorities and spend accordingly. We have four children, a large house, and only one income - not the cheapest choice, but our family is the core of our existence. We’ve traveled to 42 states, 5 Canadian provinces and China (to adopt our youngest - the whole family went) - also not cheap, but another priority. We have a hot tub (a wonderful luxury for Maine winters) and no debt, not even a mortgage. My husband is self-employed, so we pay for our own health insurance (huuuuge deductible) and there’s no 401k plan. We’re still working on a nice nest egg and helping our kids through the college years.
The funny thing is, we’ve done this on a regular income (50-75K per year). It’s amazing how much saving on little items adds up over the years. We are now financially secure (not independent) because of frugality.
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:46 pm
M asks: “What are the things you think YOU are doing right?” One of the things I’ve been doing for a while is never spending my change. I still spend money when I’m out - the ocassional lunch (not as often as before), gas, etc., but I keep the change from every transaction. At the end of the day, I’ll often have a dollar or more in change. That all gets saved, rolled, and deposited into savings when I next visit the credit union. I find myself depositing something like $10-20 every month. A side effect is that if I realize that I’ve got a large mound of coins at the end of the day, I take a step back and look at all the money I spent that day. Usually, I end up deciding that I didn’t really need to buy that mid-afternoon snack, or perhaps I need to remember to bring my lunch more, or some such insight.
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:06 pm
Dave–
That’s a great tip, thanks for sharing it. I used to save my change when we had laundry at home and lived in a more suburban area, but now it’s paid laundry machines in our apt. bldg. so we save almost of our change for laundry and parking meters!! But you’re right, once you get used to saving regularly, you question expenditures more and end up cutting back on some of the spending that isn’t really necessary.
And Trina–
Wow, I wish you had a blog, I’d love to read more about your family. What you describe is really the kind of thing I’m talking about and was hoping to hear more of from readers. I don’t really consider it “extreme,” just a trade-off of giving up what you don’t need in order to have what you value. Good for you!
And Anon–
Sicko is def. on my list to see, thank you.
Tom Baker–
Thanks for your comment on health issues. Health costs are a major issue in our lives right now, and I do and will write more about that on my site, and perhaps on here, too, some day (if J.D. invites me to, of course).
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:10 pm
I enjoyed this post, although I do different things with money.
I have to respectfully disagree with a commentator. Having a pet is NOT a waste! Pets add much love and joy to people’s lives on a daily basis. They are not a waste of money any more than having a child is a waste of money. I would never consider my child a waste of money, although it’s true we had more money before we had her!
What do we do right? We only take one big vacation a year. I try to use cash instead of credit or debt cards to reduce my impulse spending. I shop with a grocery list and plan meals. We limit our eating out to once a week. I make lunch or dinner for friends and have them over instead of going out all the time. We buy Christmas gifts ahead of time, planning what to buy, so we don’t just drop money on anything. We don’t buy more than one present per person, including for our child, since she gets so much from other people. We take the train into NYC instead of driving and paying to park.
I feel we live a very rich life, and there are certainly more things we could do to cut expenses. I could stop spending so much on my hair, for one! Also, we are not good at saying no to friend-induced travel. I understand that wedding issue very well. I have a situation now with a friend who is getting married on a vacation. We are going but it’s costing us a ton of money, more than what we paid to go see my BIL get married in Ireland for a week! And this is only for a weekend. But yet, although I work part-time, and have a small child and am in the typical can’t-afford-it-category, I said yes and we are going.
Good post!
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:15 pm
By the way Trina we do a lot of what you list too. Reuse baggies (not always, depends on what was in them), cut out or greatly reduce drinking soda, buy less stuff, etc.
A lot of these habits and choices are due to the desire to avoid waste and even greater environmental damage. There is definitely a lot of common ground among those who practice frugality for money’s sake and those who make the same choices for the sake of the environment or simply to reduce waste and excess on ethical grounds. Our choices have to do with all of those reasons as well as with our own personal likes/dislikes.
Simplicity and lack of clutter and enjoying nature and natural foods are part of the type of life I enjoy and work toward living. I really admire how your family lives.
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:17 pm
Thanks EDW. Love your tips, and I’m right there with you on the pet thing!!
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:19 pm
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August 2nd, 2007 at 7:37 pm
I, too, hope M gets a chance to write about finances and chronic illness. It’s not a pleasant topic, but it’s something that every American needs to know about (most of us will lose our health well before we die).
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:47 pm
What an interesting post! I have to admit, at first I thought, “Why doesn’t this chick get a life?”, but then I read the comments and realized that you most likely have a richer life than I do because of where you have chosen to live. I suppose it comes down to priorities–travel or live in a rockin’ city? I appreciate this article, because it made me think about my own choices.
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Actually many of your frugal lifestyle habits are exactly the same as people here in Japan. Contrary to popular belief, Japanese are not extravagant, and are very thrifty and clever at managing their money, and I’ve learned so much since moving here.
I am amazed at some of the comments here. Spoiled, spoiled, spoiled. Why do people need two cars and a big huge house? And why do you “need” to splurge on a chocolate martini or whatever? Where is it engraved in stone that you have to do/be/have all those things to be happy? You are to be commended for resisting the peer pressure!
Weddings: just curious, but do people splash out for the first wedding only, or for all the subsequent ones too?
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:55 pm
We do a lot of things on that list. One of the things that always amazes me is that people think that giving up going out to eat is a hardship. When I changed jobs - at a significant paycut - we began eating at home more, preparing our meals with meat that we buy in bulk and freeze and vegetables. A year later I don’t think we could go back to the habits that we had when we went out to eat frequently. By bringing our lunch to work and eating at home we have become accostumed to a diet which is lower in grease than most restraunt fare. (We do use a deep fat fryer on occasion and ussually cook with butter or olive oil.) But on the occasion that we do eat out a couple of times in a short period of time niether one of us feels well. By finding meals that require a little amount of prep time (ei the amount of time it would take to go to a restaraunt) we save a lot of money and feel better too!
August 2nd, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Bloggrrl–
Totally appreciate your input, and that you took the time to read my responses in the comments. I was thinking about that after some of this exchange and a commenter’s point about going to Jamaica.
We have beautiful coastline here, easy access to beautiful beaches we can–and do– go to anytime, many sunny days, no rain all summer, beautiful parks and cultural opportunities. A lot of what people travel pretty far for.
Of course the world has much to offer, but I figure a huge percentage of the world does not travel far from home their entire life and somehow manages to be happy. We life in a wonderful vacation destination and take advantage of what it has to offer every day.
And we don’t give up travel by any means just because we haven’t gone abroad. We’ve seen much of what this country has to offer and take plenty of local trips when we can (moterrey, carmel, santa cruz, l.a., napa, mendocino, humboldt county, and on and on, and that’s not counting what san francisco alone has to offer. not trying to brag but point out that we don’t have to go far to enjoy travel), and have some of the best parts of it around us daily. Thanks for letting me know my post was useful for you–I really appreciate it!!
Elizabeth–
I’m with you. I prefer to eat at home over most restaurants. Usually it tastes better, is healthier, and is exactly the way I want it when we make it. And we do eat out, just not often, and when we do, we manage to do it without spending a lot.
August 2nd, 2007 at 8:46 pm
(to m)
sorry to ask, but what do you do for fun? your list seems really strict, but i can definitly understand that you are trying to save, so i guess to each his/her own.
(to everyone)
my good financial habits consist of the following:
- pay more than the minimums on all bills that incur interest.
- pay all other bills on time.
- never go to salons (i’m a former beautician, so i do it all myself, at home)
- drive a moped/walk/take public transportation everywhere
- don’t buy cd’s/listen to internet radio
- only eat out on special occasions/set a limit on what i will spend before i go out
- bargin hunt for everything, from clothes to books to drawing tablets (i’m a graphic designer now, so i need my gadgets)
- don’t use a dryer (hang all my clothes after washing)
- don’t have cable, or a house phone (only a cell)
- i only go to $5 or less movie showings (and yes, they still do exsist, lol)
- try to get as much done as possible before sundown because i have found that after dark, i always feel the need to cut on all the lights to see what i’m doing, and where i’m going (when in the day time i just use free daylight, lol)
- unplug all appliances when they aren’t in use
- no pets
- during sales, i try to buy canned goods in bulk
- clip coupons
- maintain an emergency fund
- eat healthy/do yoga daily (you’d be suprised how a little healthy living will bring your doctor’s visits down to a minimum)
but besides all that, i make it a mandatory to put money towards 2 things in particular - retirement, and fun money. I try to go on vacations at least once a year (I KNOW WHAT YOU’RE THINKING…but there are plently of ways so spend a little to get a lot out of a vacation). you don’t have to go half way around the world to get some much needed r&r. my reasoning for this is that tomorow is not guarenteed. if your only focus in life is saving for the future, than i’m sorry but your missing out on what’s really important - and that’s your life. i had TONS of debt (with only a little more left to tackle), but i budget every penny….and in my experience, if there is a will, there is a way to make anything possible.
good luck to anyone out there who is standing up to take control of your debt!
August 2nd, 2007 at 8:54 pm
I am kind of surprised at some of the comments too. I agree with what the commenter Jason said, he basically said most of what I wanted to say.
I don’t know how some the people commenting live or what your income is, but my wife and I are trying to live by our own means. We don’t have large salaries and we don’t have support from our parents like some others might have. We are trying to pay off debt, save a little for the future, and live on one and a half (or less) salaries.
Also I don’t feel that we are all that frugal, we try to save money when we can and plan for the future. I am glad some of you out there think we’re frugal. That makes me feel like I am doing something right, unfortunately with all that we do or maybe don’t do we still don’t have much left over to save. Maybe we are more simple, but most of the points M’s list we would be doing whether we had more money or not.
I also think there are a lot of people that think spending money equates to a “good” life or not spending money equate a “bad” life. a miserable life is one’s own choice.
August 2nd, 2007 at 9:29 pm
m,
I think your list is great, and it’s wonderful you that you choose to be so financially responsible. It’s also a sad statement on America’s over-privileged, indebted attitude that people think you are being excessively frugal. Since when did manicures, spa treatments, eating out, and taking extended vacations become a right? And since when did not doing these things equate to not having a life?
I also miss at least half of the weddings I am invited to. If I can’t afford them, there is no obligation to attend and I am comfortable setting my own financial boundaries and priorities. I send my well-wishes, and in some ways I am happy to not be contributing to the insane wedding industry where people go into debt for insanely expensive and drawn out affairs at expensive locations. On the other hand, because I prioritize my spending, I have traveled to over 30 countries and can afford to go without working for chunks of time while I travel. While others see your list as excessively frugal, I see it as a list that allows you to do whatever it is you really care about.
August 2nd, 2007 at 9:42 pm
M–
The kinds of choices you list are similar to those I’ve had to make out of necessity over the last 20 years. Life can throw you a few curves, like unemployment, child support, and the like, so it’s not possible to satisfy every want . . . and habitual accumulated expenses affect the budget most, not the singular treats. My husband and I made the decision to give our daughter a private education through high school because the local school district was so bad, but we’re sending her to a local junior college for the first two years instead of room/board/tuition at a university. That’s one example of choice.
Other little things I’ve done for years:
-Only run the dishwasher when it’s full, and use half the amount of detergent called for (cleans just as well, or better!)
-Set the heat pump to hold at 80* in the summer, and use fans in occupied rooms
-Adjust the water level of the washing machine to match the load
-Hang up laundry while half-dry
-Buy household and cleaning supplies at dollar stores, not grocery stores
-Buy items we constantly use in bulk when it’s a good price (or even when it’s regular price…it saves a trip later)
-Transfer credit card balances to no-interest offers and pay them off on-time
-Tithe…it’s financial insurance
-Use Craigslist or eBay to sell or buy like-new items at deep discounts
-List every charity donation and deduct it from taxes
–Buy 15 pair of all-matching socks when they’re on sale (this simplifies my life, too)
Anyone could argue with my choices, just as they have with yours. But the point is for us to take the best ideas from others and use those that make sense for us. Little adjustments become habits that, when combined, equal an increased ability to afford the kind of life YOU want, not the life Madison Ave. wants you to have.
August 2nd, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Set yourself goals and treat yourself to something extra nice when you’ve achieved one. When you have a tight budget you’ll learn to appreciate a little luxury more when you don’t have it all the time. Goals can also motivate.
Here in Finland it’s also quite cheap to do combat sports (such as kickboxing, thaiboxing). You’ll also get personal training for a cheaper price than in most other sports and they are very effective in keeping you fit. There are fitness oriented groups for these hobbies, so you don’t have to aim for having a full-contact match.
August 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 pm
i can’t believe how many people take sicko as gospel.
M, i just don’t get the part about not having a microwave. when we cook, we normally cook to have leftovers, in which case a microwave is handy to heat things up quickly. if we had to reuse the stove or oven to do so, it would take longer and it would consume more energy than the microwave.
August 3rd, 2007 at 12:37 am
These comments are interesting; I had similar thoughts, but didn’t expect anyone to be so put off by your behaviors. Like you said, it’s implied that the writing is from the writer’s perspective.
Having said that, I look 1000 times better when my eyebrows are waxed. $8.00 a month is entirely worth the self-esteem boost. And sometimes the dry heels get out of hand, so I need professional assistance in the form of a pedicure. I also don’t enjoy used/secondhand anything; it’s very “college lifestyle” to me, and I’m over that. I’d rather spend the intial cash on a piece to call my own, mainly because other people often have a very good reason for giving stuff away.
Everything else is spot on, though. Good on you!
August 3rd, 2007 at 12:40 am
Tim–
We don’t like microwaves, for health reasons, they also take up a good bit of space in small kitchens (which we’ve always had generally), and we cook our foods from scratch and almost never eat frozen foods (except occasionally pizza). If we have leftovers, it takes us a few seconds to heat them on a pan on the stove top.
I think some of the points of my post have been lost or unclear, but the original point was to describe things I’ve been doing my whole life that also happen to be frugal, not things I necessarily chose to do because I wanted to be frugal. I hope that helps explain this issue more.
We don’t not have a microwave because we think it’s frugal, we don’t have one because we don’t want one. But in not having one, we do end up benefiting and saving, because we don’t buy frozen foods and food from scratch is cheaper and healthier.
Yeah, some of these things would maybe change if I had more money; most wouldn’t. And that was my point, I’ve been doing these things simply because I WANT to and I CHOOSE to and they just happen to also be frugal and help me save money.
And I thought it was important to recognize those things and be proud of choosing a lifestyle that prioritizes frugality–especially since it is a frugality that is born out of a desire to not waste money, to live within my means, to live simply, to limit my environmental “footprint”, and to live in accordance with my values.
August 3rd, 2007 at 12:48 am
Tim:
I don’t think people are taking Sicko as “gospel.” I think they’re seeing that the health insurance system we currently have in this country is not necessarily working in the populous’ best interest(s), and the ultimate goal is not to keep people healthy (which is something that is good for every citizen), but to spend less money while making more. Do you have a chronic illness? Do you have health insurance? Have you always had health insurance?
You have to consider that some people might have taken the movie more seriously than you because it may have more personal relevance to them, for whatever reason.
I can’t believe people still can’t believe that not every damn body is going to think what they think.
August 3rd, 2007 at 1:44 am
You’ve brought up some great tips there M, It’s certainly a lot more extreme than what I could handle so I commend you for having such discipline with money. I could not live without travel, both national and international and because of this have discovered cheaper ways to travel and learnt to go without other things so I can save for this.
August 3rd, 2007 at 4:43 am
I’ll join in with some things that I do that I’m actually proud of
I walk everywhere I can
I take the bus where I cannot walk
I find the cheapest train tickets for long distance travel
I stay in your hostels when I travel abroad
I shop around for the best financial products
I shop around for utilities
I have a budget
I acquired a free tv
I don’t have satellite or cable
I don’t buy dvds
I buy my families gifts when they are on sale
August 3rd, 2007 at 4:48 am
One thing I’m doing right: My emergency fund process. Each week, any spare $ from my allowance goes into a small stash in the house. (Minimum of $5 per week, even if I have to take it from next week’s allowance.) If I run through my allowance, I penalize myself by dropping an extra $5 into the fund from next week’s allowance. When the fund reaches $500, I drop it into my ING account to open a CD or T-bill.
If I had just left the remainder of my allowance in my pocket, I’d end up finding something to spend it on. This way, I rescue it from temptation. It has allowed me to divert over $6500 into long-term savings.
Last, I don’t believe M deserves a lot of the judgmental and flat-out nitty comments here. The title is “What I’m Doing Right,” not “What All of You Should Be Doing Like Me.”
August 3rd, 2007 at 5:38 am
I think this post might have been easier to understand had you included some of those personal details about your life in the original post. Instead we have to find out in the comments
Though I can understand maybe not wanting people to know your personal bits at first. I’m a fairly private person.
It seems as though your tips are good for people with a very particular set of circumstances in their life.
August 3rd, 2007 at 5:47 am
I was suprised by the comments too. I expected people to leave lists of what they were doing right. Not nitpicking over your list and complaining as if you were forcing it on them. (We also do the majority, if not all of the things on your list and I was shocked to see that people thought you were depriving yourself.)
About a half a year ago I was reading a financial advice book and really getting down on myself for my “financial to-do list” that just seemed so overwhelming. Due to my daughter’s medical condition only one of us can work and we’re only in our late-twenties so we don’t make fabulous salaries yet. Then I read Automatic Millionaire and it affirmed what I had been doing right all along. I’ve had a 401(k) since I was 24 and never thought twice about it. After reading that book I logged on to see what was in my account and my jaw dropped at how quickly 10% of my check really added up. That really was very encouraging and a turning point for me. It’s important to focus on all the good financial habits you have instead of always beating yourself up for the things you haven’t gotten to yet. I think that was the point of the post and I’m sorry some seemed to have missed that.
August 3rd, 2007 at 6:52 am
I would also like to hear more about finances and chronic illness. I’m just starting to really get a handle on my finances this year, and I’ve often wondered about this subject because I know so little about it.
I think M’s list is great, and obviously works for her specific situation. A ciascuno il suo–to each his (or her) own, right? If I had a chronic illness, I wouldn’t be worried about trips to Europe, either.
I occasionally get mani/pedis, but more often I do them myself because I’m actually really good at it. I do pay $50 plus tip for a haircut every other month. I have a lot of very wavy, unruly hair. I’ve TRIED less expensive salons, I’ve even tried MORE expensive salons, but I found the perfect hairdresser, she’s $50, and I’ll gladly pay to save myself frustration with my hair every morning. Anyway, that’s my hair rant.
What we are doing to save:
-We rarely eat out. We both love to cook, and I’m a bit of a food snob, so many restaurants just don’t appeal to me.
-We live rent-free next door to my parents. It’s out in the country, and I drive to work with my dad. Not for everyone, not even an option for everyone, but we are paying off debt like crazy, and soon we’ll be saving some serious money and then building a house.
-We plan to live in the house we build forever, and we’re making it very energy-efficient. No buying-up all our lives. We want to use extra cash for travel.
-Garden. We have so many tomatoes, we’ve had to can them this year.
-Netflix over movie theatre. I get to eat better food and sit on a comfy couch with my cat. If it’s a movie we’re super-excited about, then we might go.
-I get great beauty products cheap. A close friend is a makeup artist, another friend works for a well-known haircare distributor.
-I’ve paid off about $12000 of debt (it wasn’t all consumer debt) in one year. My last payment will be October 15.
-My fiance’s vehicle is paid off. Mine will be paid off soon. Our goal is to pay cash when we have to replace his truck.
I still have a long way to go, and I still drop money on some stupid stuff. We’re geting married, and I spent a lot on the photographer. My reasoning is that I love photography, and we’ll look at those photos for the rest of our lives. I didn’t NEED to have this photographer, but like I said, I’m just learning how to be more reasonable, so…baby steps.
August 3rd, 2007 at 7:11 am
Issa, when one touts something like “sicko” as reference for fact, that is treating it as gospel. but post isn’t about health care system.
M, ok, i get the space limitations. i’m still not getting the cost efficiency of running the stove/oven to heat versus microwave, though and having a microwave doesn’t mean you have to use it for frozen foods. i’m not trying to convince you to go out and buy a microwave oven, i’m just not getting the logic other than not wanting one. this is rational enough.
August 3rd, 2007 at 7:26 am
This was a great post! I forwarded it to my husband. We’re about to enter a lean period, and a lot of these suggestions will be really useful to us.
Here’s a couple things we’re doing right:
* Try not to buy anything new. Look for anything you need in thrift stores or on Freecycle.
* Netflix over new movies, and the library over Netflix.
August 3rd, 2007 at 8:11 am
I read a couple of the comments before the article and was expecting it to be much worse … we do a lot of these and from your comments it seems we earn more too. And we don’t have a car. But we vacation very well, including abroad at least once a year as we’re both immigrants (lots of use of airmiles & free hotel nights with points from our SPG credit cards though), and eat very well, supporting local farmers markets and small businesses. Oh and we don’t miss weddings.
It’s funny to see slams in the same comment thread (!) on frugal people being cheap and miserable and people who go on vacations as splurgers. As long as you have some degree of enjoyment from your earnings, don’t feel deprived, and your system works for you it’s all good!
August 3rd, 2007 at 8:32 am
I am surprised by the comments. I personally do almost all of the things m mentioned on her list, and on a few of the items listed I am even more frugal. I don’t consider this extreme at all. There are still many things that I would like to be more frugal on. I am motivated not only by the desire to save money, but also by environmental reasons.
This is not deprivation, folks. It is freeing to not have to worry about money because you have your spending under control. You can have plenty of fun for free or almost free!
We are so spoiled in North America that we don’t understand how unnecessary many of our expenditures are. Air travel is not a necessity! It is extravagant to take annual vacations abroad. Plus it is damaging to our planet.
Here are my frugal things that I think I’m doing right (other than the ones listed by m:
- We are car-free, relying entirely on public transportation.
- We cut each other’s hair.
- We do not worry about keeping up with fashion.
- We don’t own many different pairs of shoes at a time (maybe two pairs plus one pair of boots), although we try to buy quality, comfortable footwear.
- I buy some of my clothes at thrift stores.
- I mend our clothes myself. I bought an old sewing machine so I can do more extensive mending, as well as making some things.
- We rarely see a movie in the theatre (we do have a subscription to a DVD-rental-by-mail program).
- We don’t worry about keeping up with the Joneses. If other people spend lots of money and get into debt, that’s their issue.
- We have only one TV and it’s certainly older and low-end.
- We don’t subscribe to cable. We get only a few channels (which we rarely watch).
- Most of our furniture is hand-me-downs.
- Our appliances are either hand-me-downs or purchased second-hand. (I do realize that new appliances would use less energy though…)
- We don’t have cell phones.
- We rarely make long-distance calls.
- We don’t give expensive gifts and we give only to immediate family.
August 3rd, 2007 at 8:40 am
M sounds like a stick in the mud.
August 3rd, 2007 at 9:12 am
I’m one of the biggest hippies I know when it comes to saving the planet, but I am not going to apologize for wanting to travel and see the world…not just the US. So I guess I am spoiled. I’ve been to Europe once, and it was absolutely incredible, and I am going back. I’ve been to many places in the US, and it isn’t the same no matter how you slice it. Experiencing other cultures is life-altering.
We also do not have cable (nor do we want it), we have older tvs, etc., etc. Those are all things I don’t really care about. It’s a matter of deciding what’s important to you and where you want to spend your money. I wonder why those of us who prioritize travel are called “spoiled,” as though the person passing judgement is exempt? Being frugal isn’t a contest.
August 3rd, 2007 at 9:51 am
M:
Sorry to hear about your illness. It definitely changes the context of your post and makes some of the things that I thought were a bit over the top, more understandable.
Your story makes me greatful for my health, as well as grateful for the country I live in (Canada) where we don’t have to worry about dire financial situations due to illness.
All the best!
I do agree with cm as well, in that, if you travel to 3rd World countries, in the end it is a savings as it often reminds me of how little I really need on a day to day basis.
August 3rd, 2007 at 10:18 am
April, if you’re referencing my post, I said “we” are spoiled. Then I gave one example (air travel). I definitely include myself in the “spoiled” category, but I am spoiled in other ways (for example, my diet).
August 3rd, 2007 at 11:18 am
My point is that calling people out over what they chose to spend their money on is just as judgemental as those who take issue with how M chooses to save her money. This was not directed at one person’s post in particular. I have just noticed that on some of the financial blogs commenters get a little carried away judging how others’ spend their money, as though they are somehow better.
August 3rd, 2007 at 11:24 am
I have to agree with the second comment. Your cuts sound miserable. Granted, I can maintain my pedicures just fine at home on my own, but once in a while, I deserve to have someone buff and polish and massage my feet. I feel like a new person afterward.
There should be balance to everything. Maybe because of all this, you’ll end up rich in the end, who knows. But when you finally have all that money you were working for, are you going to have any idea how to relax and enjoy it?
I just think that by cutting too much out of your recreational budget you’ll make yourself crazy.
August 3rd, 2007 at 11:47 am
wow! M: I have to write to express my admiration of you. My first instinct was also to say, “Sounds dreary”, but I decided to read the posts first, and am so glad I didn’t post that and come off sounding like a typical spoiled, shallow American. Especially when people from other countries chimed in did I feel a bit ashamed. I do almost nothing of what you said, and wish I did. My “dreary” summation was a knee-jerk reaction of guilt and defensiveness over My Own Personal Decision to live so wastefully and extravagantly. But, if that’s my choice, why do I need to defend it? And I hate that others seemed to think you needed to defend Your choices. The reason I wanted to defend My waste is that I know it’s wrong, in my gut, I don’t feel entitled to this lifestyle. None of us are. The way we live here in this country leaves such a burden on our earth. Very few people seemed to consider that. It was all mostly about one’s own wants and desires. For instance, taking the bus vs. personal automobile was compared on a cost basis. What about taking the bus to generate less carbon? What about sharing a meal to consume less calories, since half of America (myself included) is overweight? What about buying second hand to reduce production waste and carbon from delivery trucks? What about not having a gym membership just so as not to have to spend gas (by bus or car) to get to that gym? I could go on and on with this, but what is very clear from this thread is the blatant selfishness that has been fostered in this country (and rapidly other countries,as well). Don’t get me wrong; we are blessed to live here, but I think we get way too carried away with the “happiness” we think we are pursuing.
If you get a chance, read “Letters of a Homesteading Woman”, by Elinore Pruitt Stewart. This woman was not perfect, but she was definitely was happier than most of us can hope to be and she had to plant the potatoes she ate, milk her cows, and make her own clothes, and never once ate in a restaurant at all, much less “appetizers”. THAT is what the American way used to be. Where did we go so wrong?
Lastly, I felt ill reading all the uproar about your not attending weddings! When two people marry, why does that circumstance demand the attendance of others? I would never dream of placing that expectation upon anyone but my parents. Again, in days gone by, weddings were very simple affairs, attended by very few people, for the most part. I usually just send a gift, unless I know someone would be heartbroken not to have me there. Often (though not always) it’s really the gift that’s looked for, anyway. I’m not the one they are marrying. Not to sound harsh, it can be lovely to have your friends in attendance, but so much of that feeling is built up by the way weddings are marketed today. If people were told/advertised/noticed that they “should” be solemn, private, even secret, most people would likely go along with that within a couple of generations.
Your responses to everyone were so civil and calm and fair. I wish I could be that sort of person. But, I’m too busy spending, consuming and wasting time to develop that sort of character.
I wish all the best to you and your family.
August 3rd, 2007 at 12:14 pm
If you don’t mind me asking, how much do you make a year (or at least, together with your husband)?
Missing out on vacations, traveling abroad, and especially once-in-a-lifetime events seems way overkill, and reducing the stuff you do in life, as well as some of the other stuff you mentioned. Traveling is amazing, and unless you make collectively 50k a year or less, which is doubtful, it seems like its a bit overkill. Put in the max amount of money into 401(k)’s and Roth IRA’s, save some to invest in various things, but you might consider upgrading your lifestyle a bit. ESPECIALLY before kids, since when you have them (if you do), you pretty much *cant* do that kind of stuff anymore.
August 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 pm
traveling is great…it makes me really appreciate civilization.
i’m not sure what a hippie is anymore considering that all the hippies i know are now wealthy, mass consuming yuppies. i liked April D’s comment about frugality not being a contest.
August 3rd, 2007 at 1:53 pm
I’m also in the camp of not thinking these lifestyle choices are overly frugal. Like some of the commenters here, I also follow quite of the few items on your list.
Perhaps presenting those ideas in such a long list made the ideas as a whole seem more restricting than they really are. Picking the top few things you do that you are most proud of could make the post seem less “miserable” to those who enjoy the things you don’t mind refraining from.
August 3rd, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Hey All,
There are a lot of new comments today, some of which make similar points as the ones from yesterday, which I replied to. I will do my best to reply to some of the main new points and reiterate my purpose for this post (which clearly was lost in many interpretations of the post). And I will write a final general response in another comment. Thanks to all who read and commented, and especially to those who shared thier own lists!!
Sara–
Yes, yes, yes! You say “It’s important to focus on all the good financial habits you have instead of always beating yourself up for the things you haven’t gotten to yet. I think that was the point of the post and I’m sorry some seemed to have missed that”
You are right on. That was one of my main points here, and thus why I opened with that statement.
Tim–
Not sure what else to say about the microwave besides what I already said. It was not a financial decision. However wefeel it saves us money because it prevents us from succumbing to the easy lure of fast, frozen foods, which are less healthy (leads to higher medical costs possibly) and often cost more than foods made from scratch. That does not mean you or anyone else need feel the same way–only that this is our interpretation of how not having a microwave benefits us financially and otherwise.
Telly–
Don’t let my illness change the context, because as I said several times in the context, we’ve been living our life this way for a lot longer than my illness has been a real, financial issues. As me and my husband said, we would continue most of these habits regardless of money and we made most of the choices not so we could have more money and not because we don’t have enough money to do the things we aren’t doing but because is almost all of the cases, we do not WANT to spend our money on those things.
OneYearOneGoal–
“I think it’s better to live well and increase your income than turn your life into one big chore…but have money to not spend.” Great point. However, our choices are not really related to our income, so this point does not apply to us. Great for others who may benefit from your advice though.
LK–
I know there are lots of comments, but I think I answered your questions in other comments. To answer briefly, most of these decisions are not motivated by the desire to save money, so I hope that helps answer your questions about our choices.
Melissa A.–
“. . . but if I want to do something big with my money I’ll do it.” Me too.
db–
“And I bet if there was a trip you REALLY wanted to take, you’d find a way to do it.”
You got it!
Rika–
“Where is it engraved in stone that you have to do/be/have all those things to be happy? You are to be commended for resisting the peer pressure!”
Ah, a person after my own heart–love it!
Elizabeth–
“By bringing our lunch to work and eating at home we have become accostumed to a diet which is lower in grease than most restraunt fare. ”
Yes, this is one of our main reasons for eating at home as well I am not into grease, nor bits of meat mixed into my vegetarian dinner, which happens more often than you’d think when eating out or getting take out.
Ree D–No pets and only $5 movies?! Seriously, what on earth do you do for fun?! Just joking!! Just wanted to show what’s it’s like to read half of these comments the past two days. No, seriously though I’ve got no problem answering your question, except that I think I’ve answered it more than once in the comments. Would you mind going back and reading those?
No? Okay, a brief list: reading, writing, painting, drawing, watching movies and videos, taking my dog out, going to the beach, going to art museums, opera, therater, ballet, symphony, art gallery openings, dinner parties, walks, jogging, road trips, exploring the city, going to the library, going to the bookstore, anything I do with my husband, seeing friends, cooking, baking, doing anything creative, hiking, exploring nature, swinging (on a swingset), swimming, museums, independent film, documentaries, visiting local destinations, etc.
Kristina–
“While others see your list as excessively frugal, I see it as a list that allows you to do whatever it is you really care about.”
Yes!!!! What is seriously going ignored–for some reason–is I have been doing nearly all these things all along because I WANT TO, not because I feel I need to or have to. The other thing people are missing: I do not WANT to spend my money on most of the things I’m not spending it on. How is doing things just the way you want them miserable? Beats me.
Rue–
Great tips, for anyone who wants to use them. Thanks for sharing.
Issa–
Thanks!
Iva–
No discipline required, since these are our voluntary choice! But thanks for the compliment.
Mark–
The list isn ot intended to be “good finance” It is intended to be habits I’ve had all along (as it says in the post) by my own choosing and preference that also happen to have the side effect of being frugal.
Peachy–
No, not saving for any particular thing. As I’ve said numerous times, we don’t do these things to save, we do them because we choose not to spend our money in certain ways, that includes certain expensive trips that strain our finances.
Mark–
Not sure where you saw the implication that these tips are considered “right” for anyone other than myself (and my husband). I think you are reading into it something that is not there, and certainly was not my intention.
plonkee–
Great list, thank you. You’re one of few who shared their list, exactly what I was hoping people would do! ravel
Schizohedron–
Thanks for sharing what you do “right.”
“Last, I don’t believe M deserves a lot of the judgmental and flat-out nitty comments here. The title is “What I’m Doing Right,” not “What All of You Should Be Doing Like Me.””
Boy, do I agree with you there!
Melissa A (your second comment)–
It’s got nothing to do with privacy. I didn’t include those details because it isn’t relevant to the point of my post. The point was to celebrate my regular habits that I believe also happen to benefit my finances. The context I supplied in the comments only provides info. for those who chose to assume that my post was some sort of deprivation list rather than my personal volantary decisions based on things I mostly simply do not care to spend on, either because I simply don’t value that thing or because I value it somewhat but not enough to live outside of my means.
April D–
thanks for your list.
“If I had a chronic illness, I wouldn’t be worried about trips to Europe, either.” We were not going to europe before my illness either, so it’s not really very related.
Guiness–
“As long as you have some degree of enjoyment from your earnings, don’t feel deprived, and your system works for you it’s all good!” Yup!!
Monica–
LOVE your list and dare I say about your statement: “There are still many things that I would like to be more frugal on.” Me too!!! Ha ha, I’m sure some of the commenters here are really shaking their heads over that one.
But I am so with on this: “I am motivated not only by the desire to save money, but also by environmental reasons.” Yes, so much of our choices above arem otivated by a desire to not be wasteful, to eliminate excess, etc.
That’s what so many aren’t getting. Most of this has NOTHING to do with wanting to save money, it has to do with life choices and values. For ex. we don’t see the point in living in a big house, wasting a ton of energy and resources, when we fit just fine into a smaller space and can use the resources of the city without adding trmendous environmental impace by driving all over to do our daily errands. The list is things I WANT to do, but that they happen to save us some money is a side bonus.
I think you are pretty similar to us in your motivation and that’s great to see!! I’m surprised and somewhat saddened at how many see this as a sad existance and think that in itself a sad statement on what many think it takes to be happy or live a full life.
Aprild D–(your second comment)
Why do you think you need to apologize for travelling? Who has made this a contest in your eyes? Certainly not me, but perhaps you are referring to some commenter.
Chris R–
“*No — or close to no — vacations except short road trips
*or, occasionally, places where we could stay with friends instead of in hotels.
*Stay at lower cost hotels when traveling,
*except for a few special occasions (such as wedding anniversary). ”
The above means we DO travel, only that we do it in a cheaper way and stay away from lengthy, or very long distance trips. It is stated that we go on short trips, that we go on bigger trips but stay with friends or in cheaper lodging and that for special occasions, we have splurged on higher cost hotels. How does that translate to not traveling? Though even if it did, I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.
And, do I mind if you ask how much I make? No, I don’t. Will I tell you? Of course not.
August 3rd, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Hey All,
Wow this has been a lively, interesting discussion.
I tried to respond to everyone who wrote in and I’m sorry if I missed any of you.
As you can see my comments have been frequent and lengthy, however, I simply don’t think I can respond as I’d truly like in a coment.
As I began to write a final response to address your comments and questions in a more holistic way and in a broader context, I realized that there is too much to say to squeeze into a comment.
I will be posting my thoughts on my personal blog and hope to see some of you there later today. I hope J.D. does not mind, but I simply feel a post is more appropriate in this context, than another lengthy comment.
Thanks to all of you who wrote in and thanks so much to J.D. for featuring my post. Thanks J.D.!
The post is not up yet, but should be up later today. I invite to read and respond there if you wish. M’s Blog is at cottoncandypink.blogspot.com.
August 3rd, 2007 at 3:37 pm
I don’t believe this one: Husband cuts own hair. How could a man cuts his own hair? Probably his is a jarhead or something similar?
August 3rd, 2007 at 3:38 pm
There’s a line between being financially responsible and ridiculous. Live life a little while you’re young. You may never get to see the rainy day you’re squirreling away for.
The thing about money is that there’s always more of it out there, you’ll never be able to go to Paris in you’re mid-20s again.
-d
August 3rd, 2007 at 3:51 pm
d–
I’m not sure why you assume I’m in my mid twenties, nor what you know of my finances to assume that what I am doing is ridiculous as opposed to sound. I’d advise you to assume less and to read my upcoming post on my blog if you’re truly interested in learning about my choices and my life rather than simply judging it based on an 800 word post. Thanks for writing.
M
August 3rd, 2007 at 4:51 pm
I’d just like to chime in and say that at first, I didn’t understand that you were happy with the ways you were saving the money (as I personally enjoy going new places, flying on planes, and love my local sushi restaurant) , but once I read the comments, I understood your priorities better and can see why you’re happy with the choices you make and the lifestyle you lead. Being down in SJ, I know people in SF can get a very rich cultural experience for not too much money, along with some rather decent (for California) public transportation.
Here’s one thing I am proud of: I’ve always been able to save towards a goal, even if I need to reduce my current lifestyle to get it. It’s just asking the “Creme Brulee question”: http://wellheeled.wordpress.com/2007/07/30/do-i-want-a-___-or-do-i-want-a-house/
Right now, for me, it is a car, vacation, savings, and house. I’m not as frugal as many because I enjoy certain things like eating out or reading books. In order to save a bit more, I’ve adjusted my food budget a little to spend less on lunch so I can go out for dinner once in a while. Given myself a book budget and sell the books on eBay after I’m done, if I really can’t wait for it from the library (Books are one of those “gotta have” things).
I also pick the less expensive employee group outings to socialize at, so my face is still seen and I’m considered a team player without breaking the bank.
August 3rd, 2007 at 6:57 pm
I hope you will take the time to visit my blog and read the posts I wrote in response to your comments and questions. They can be found at:
http://cottoncandypink.blogspot.com/2007/08/response-and-thought-on-comments-on-my.html
and
http://cottoncandypink.blogspot.com/2007/08/we-are-so-much-richer-than-you-may.html
One of the posts is pasted here, below. It is in response to questions about what I do with my time and money and how I can be happy living the life I lead.
It’s not easy to sum up a life, to sum up joy or pleasure or feeling. It’s certainly not possible for me to convey all of the things that make my life great, the things I give thanks for everyday. To try to explain how happy my life is in 500 words or less? Just not possible. But to relay a glimpse, a sense of what it is to be me. I certainly can try, so long as you remember that what’s in here is just the smallest portion of my life’s joy.
****
We spend many summer weekends as if we are at a country club, with games of tennis played under the warm glow of the hot western sun, or beneath the bright light of the moon, with beautifully lit hills sparkling in the distance, and the cool bay breeze blowing through our hair. Midday is often spent relaxing by the pool, followed by a 20-30 minutes of swimming laps and enjoying one another’s company in the weightlessness of the water.
In winter, we ice skate beneath the lights of the city, in the shadow of skyscrapers and the gravity defying hills. We stroll among holiday lights and photograph towering trees covered in lights and bows. We wander the financial district and the nooks of our region, looking for signs of holiday joy. We sip warm cider and cover ourselves in a throw and watch Christmas movies and play along to our favorite holiday songs. I make hot chocolate and cuddle up with my two favorites, my husband and a book. We talk and dream and give thanks for all we have.
We pore through cookbooks and magazines, planning menus and dreaming up holiday favors and table arrangements. We feed our friends and fill our home with the smells, and sights of the holidays. Our tree is decorated with favors for friends to take home, our counters with boxes in which to stuff the rich desserts and appetizers we’ve spent days preparing for them. Our mantel is crowded with messages of love and holiday cheer. Our outbox filled with homemade cards to remind our loved ones what they mean to us.
We wander the streets of our neighborhood, amazed by the rows of luminaries arranged one after the other on narrow sidewalks. We drive through neighborhoods, looking for lights and the most extravagant decorations, the inflatable Santas. We stroll city streets, and watch as the city comes to life, full of shoppers bundled in winterwear carrying bags and sipping hot chocolates and gingerbread lattes. We admire the decorations in all the shops, loving the old city feel of crowds of pedestrians flocking to the city center for holiday errands. We make up stories and imagine lives of those we see, are they going home to a warm fireplace, to the love s of their lives, to a house full of children clamoring for holiday sweets and presents?
Throughout the year, we hike in the hills, and marvel over the views that stretch from hills to flatlands to bay and mountains. We enjoy evening walks in the residential and commercial districts in our neighborhood, and we admire the varied and lovely architecture of the region and comment on the succulents and other beautiful plants we encounter on the way. We picnic on soft beds of cool grass and lay on our backs and watch the clouds. We jog through some of the most picturesque paths in the area, never neglecting to stop and point out the beauty of the city skyline and the quiet, lull of the gentle waves splashing on the rocks.
We travel a few miles to the city and walk the various neighborhoods, taking in the people, and sounds, and places unique to the place that we love so and call home. We window shop and browse in tiny boutiques, photograph the sites that we want to imprint forever in our memories. We sit on the floor in dusty old bookstores and feel the ghosts of the authors we admire and of those who shared this beautiful city before we even ever came to be. We flip through novels and poems and books full of art and dream and think and feel inspired.
We stroll among beautiful and fragrant plants from all over our state and the world, taking time to sit on a bench in silence at a botanical garden and remember that we are all following the cycles of nature, even if we sometimes forget how much we have in common with other animals and even plants, all of us just following the cycles of life.
We stare at paintings from years and centuries past, hold our noses close to a canvas touched by van Gogh, by Lichtenstien, by Joan Brown, and Basquiat. We remember that no one appreciated van Gogh until he had long left this earth, and we mourn for what he suffered and give thanks for the joy that he brings us today. We go home and pull out canvases and paints and make a mess while we make something more than the sum of just paints and brushes and paper.
We attend the opening night at local galleries, talking and mingling with those who value creating in their lives, who have so much to say and sometimes say it in pictures and color and brushstrokes instead of in words. We walk among crowds and marvel that it is our work that covers the walls and that it is our creations that brought people here. We feel part of our community and it is a community we love and have chosen despite occasional hardships.
We sit quietly in a room and cross our legs and let our minds soar far away while a stick of incense burns and the world is silent and still. We learn about Buddhism and sit on cushions with strangers who are just like us, seeking and trying and learning and being. We carry stacks of books in our arms and a week later go back for more and more and more. We read the words of others and are transported to another place and time, and yet we are more ourselves within those pages than we sometimes are anyplace else. We go home and put finger to keyboard and hope what we do brings a sense of belonging to someone else. We hope that by living our dreams we inspire someone else to remember theirs.
We drive a short distance and find ourselves on a secluded beach, on an empty trail, in an abandoned alley. We are inspired by those settings to take photographs and write posts, and stories, and make paintings and drawings and sculpture. We lay on the sand and watch the waves hit the shore, pointing and asking each other if our eyes play tricks on us or if we saw what we thought, a walrus, an otter, or was it just a wave?
We dream, and think, talk, and sing. We make music, and art, and see beauty in a fallen leaf, or a puff of cloud. We read, and watch. We create beauty through food and art and even our home. We strive to be good and then to be better and we laugh and love and care and help and share and give. We create stories and listen to stories and remember that we are living and trying and learning as we go, as our ancestors did before us and theirs before them.
We take pleasure in our strength, our want for knowledge, our love, our capacity for laughter and pleasure and caring and joy and thought and feeling. We know love and pleasure are contained in all the things that are free, that have withstood time and will be here long after man has gone on his way and the things he has brought with him have long been forgotten. We look up at the stars and are content.
We spend evenings watching the sculpted bodies of trained dancers, twirling in toile and color and light, moving in rhythm to accomplished musicians. We might close our eyes and feel we transcend place and time, open them and the human spirit and passion astound us. We hear thousands moved solely by the voice of a woman on a stage; we witness those who have given their lives to art move us in ways that we can’t find the words to express.
Afterward, we share a tray of lovely miniature desserts and creamy cheeses, and feel so happy that we are who we are, where we are, and that we have each other. We are in one of the most celebrated restaurants in one of the most cherished cities in the world, but all we know is we walked here, (me) wobbling in high wedges on cobblestone, and took a place at the bar and celebrated our love and our live and our home with a glass of champagne and delicious food.
Later, when we’re at home, we lay in our bed, hear the whistle of trains as they pass through on their journeys across this great land, and we remember all we have seen and been, and know that we would not change a thing. From the bustle of the city, the steamy subways in New York’s summer heat, the boardwalks and funnel cakes and ferris wheels of East Coast beach resorts, the national landmarks of our once mid-atlantic home, to the swampy South, and midwestern plains, the deserts and desolation and two lane highways and no stoplight towns of the southwest, the soft flakes of snow that fell on us in Flagstaff and the blizzard that sent us scurrying for shelter in the Texas panhandle, to the rocky coast of the Mendocino shore, and the fragrance of jasmine and the storied romance of the Hollywood hills, we give thanks for the beauty of this land and for all we have been privileged to see within it. Happiest of all is the knowledge that the sea and sky, hills and bay, mountains and skyscrapers, the place we call home, we could never set foot outside of it again, and we would still be happy.
When we close our eyes and end again another night we know we are rich and we are happy not for all we have had or seen and done, but for who we are and for who we have in our lives. Once we were told that we were so rich, “because you have each other,” the woman said. Easy for her to say, we thought, she has a large home in the hills, no struggles with money, no illness she can’t afford to pay for. But then we realized she’d spoken the truest words of all, we had all we needed to be happy right there in front of us: ourselves and our love.
August 3rd, 2007 at 9:01 pm
My wife and I got spent $1000 on on our wedding AND honeymoon including the dress, catering, a week at a condo in the mountains, and everything else. But that was 17 years ago…
August 3rd, 2007 at 10:25 pm
M,
I, too, tend to live the same way. In fact, I wrote about it for msn Money in a couple of articles: “Surviving And Thriving On $12,000 A Year” and “Living ‘Poor’ And Loving It.” And I, too, got a lot of comments — some of them quite nasty — from people who decided that my life was miserly and disgusting and that I couldn’t possibly be happy.
On the contrary: I’m pretty darned content. I’m not insisting that *everyone* live this way — I was just writing about what worked for me.
It sounds as though it works for you, too. Good luck with your financial goals.
August 4th, 2007 at 6:05 am
Most of the list is doable. Maybe one or two are too extreme for me, but I do other things which she could think are extreme. It’s not a recipe, it’s a menu. That’s why I don’t understand most of the comments here. Take what is doable for you, and if you think it is impractical, just forget it. Why do commenters think they hold the “secret of happiness” so they can judge the way other people live their lives?
A lot of impolite comments here, guess money cannot buy everything afterall.
August 4th, 2007 at 9:27 am
I think a lot of the posters here need to slow down and re-read the post — if you do so, and take time to do it without thinking it’s all about you — I think you’d have a much better understanding of what this post was about.
“Live life while you’re young!” — well, heck. What does that mean, that once we’re old we aren’t supposed to be living life? Living life happens every moment, not simply the ones spent on expensive vacations, and it’s not found at the mall.
The motto should really be Live life sustainably — live life in a manner where you know you will be able to enjoy the quality of your life every moment for the long haul.
M sounds supremely happy to me and I’m thrilled for her and her husband! They’ve really got it figured out.
DB
P.S. — I am still really bugged by the whole idea people have that you’re missing out by not going away on wedding trips, etc. — it’s astounding to me especially with how easily we divorce that we also have such irrational expectations around weddings. I have only travelled for one wedding ever, and it was an ok time but for the money I spent I would have lived life far better to have stayed home.
August 4th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
M: >the smallest portion of my life’s joy