This guest post is from Sara Wallace, a member at Debt Management Talk.
When my husband and I got married, we brought a lot more to our marriage than ourselves. Financially, I brought my entire life savings — while he brought just about the same amount in credit card debt.
“So what?” you say. My savings meant we could clean up his debt and start our marriage debt free — not bad! While it’s true that we were in a better position than most young couples facing marriage, wiping out his debt wouldn’t have solved our problem.
The real issue here was that he and I had different philosophies on money. As a kid, I remember the shock on my parents face when I went to them with a bucket of loose change and said, “I want to buy some stock.”
My husband on the other hand, wasn’t so lucky. He worked through college, had his tuition paid for, and still ended up with credit card debt and student and personal loans.
When we got married, my savings became our savings, and his debt became our debt. There was no prenuptial agreement or legal contract stating what was his and hers. However, I made it a point not to pay off his debt. He needed to learn a healthier philosophy on money, and often that requires some tough love. Not only did this help improve our finances, we both admit that these lessons also helped our marriage.
Understanding Sacrifice
We were engaged for about eight months before we got married. My husband graduated college before me and was the first to be out on his own. He landed a great job and began aggressively chipping away at his debt.
He sold his first love (and by “first love” I mean his truck) which he was making payments on, and made a large dent in his credit card debt. He bought a 1995 Saab for $500 to get from point A to B (this change of vehicles also helped his gas bill).
He rented a one bedroom apartment, ate most meals at home, and took his lunch to work. We didn’t deprive ourselves of going out with friends, but we were very careful with how much we spent. We would order water instead of cokes, skip the appetizer and dessert, and go home with enough leftovers to make another meal that night.
For wedding gifts, we didn’t ask for fancy china or stemware. Instead, we used it as an opportunity to get the necessities we would need to be on our own: trash cans, Tupperware, towels, pots and pans. We saved a lot of money this way, and kept working at the debt.
By the time we got married, my husband had knocked his debt by half. Every paycheck he received from work went straight to rent, food, and bills. Although this was tough for him, I kept reminding him how nice it would be to live debt free.
After learning how much sacrifice it took to get out of debt, he realized he didn’t want to ever use a credit card again — something he might not have learned had we taken my savings and paid it off the easy way.
Accumulating Wealth
Once we got married, I joined in the race to pay off the cards. This was now our debt, and just as much my responsibility to help.
However, at the same time I was doing what I love to do most — save, save, save!
It’s not enough to just pay off debt; you must also accumulate wealth. This is where I differ from much of the financial advice you hear today that says you must pay off every dime of your debt before you start saving for yourself.
You must have some savings and this is why: if you get out of debt, but have no savings to fall back on, it is likely you could end up in the same position of borrowing money to make ends meet. Yes, you now understand the sacrifices involved, but needs are needs. And if you can’t pay the rent, you’ll start to remember how easy it was to swipe a card and forget about it.
It is also a sense of accomplishment to deal with positive numbers. During the time you are working on your debt, you see paycheck after paycheck go toward items and things you bought in the past—maybe even years ago — and all the interest those items have accumulated over the years. You are spending all this money, and have nothing tangible to show for it.
When you save, you are dealing with the future—not the past. Saving is an active way to remind yourself of the financial goals you are reaching for in your future. It feels good to watch your money grow in a positive direction.
This is why I suggest that even as you are paying off debt, you are also learning to save. I don’t care if it is $10 a month, $50 a month, or $100 a month, you need to get in the habit of making that a priority. Then, when all the debt is gone, you not only have a zero debt balance, but you also have a positive cash balance from your savings. You then have the strength to continue your commitment to savings, and increase your contributions to the maximum.
During our first year of marriage even as we worked away at our debt, we saved. We each maxed out our Roth IRAs and contributed enough to our employer sponsored retirement plans to get the match. We also began saving for a house, which we bought eight months into our marriage.
The Rewards
When it came time to buy our home we got the best interest rate they offered because of our credit scores. Neither one of us ever had a late or missed payment within the last five years. Our balances were low on our cards (another factor in your credit score) because we had worked so diligently to pay them down.
We were able to put over 10% down because of the money we had saved, and didn’t use a credit card to buy even one piece of furniture.
My husband and I are also well on our way to a healthy retirement by contributing the maximum allowed to our Roth IRAs. We still have some debt — mainly our mortgage and student loans, which we consider “good debt.”
Most importantly however, we have set a firm financial foundation to follow through the course of our marriage. We still have different ideas about what to do with money, but we have set our priorities toward the future.
When a saver and a spender get married it’s not always easy. He doesn’t turn off every light as he leaves the room, or take the $1.00 off coupon that I have taped to the fridge to the grocery, or pick up dimes that would otherwise be lost and put them in the change jar as I would. But that’s ok. I have learned that we complement each other well — both personally and financially.
Sara’s story reminds me of my own marriage. I married a saver, too. It took me longer to come around than Sara’s husband, but I’ve finally discovered the joy of saving, too.
This article is about Basics, Real-Life Wednesday, 22nd August 2007 (by J.D. Roth)


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August 22nd, 2007 at 7:20 am
I really like this post. It’s an important topic, it highlights relevant dangers, and then it provides a clear example of a realistic solution that doesn’t involve saying “you out there who want to marry someone with different spending habits? pick a new plan!” but which can really work to handle them - and one that I at least might not have thought of right away. Thanks!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:43 am
“When we got married, my savings became our savings, and his debt became our debt. There was no prenuptial agreement or legal contract stating what was his and hers.”
Luckily in my state, this isn’t necessarily true. I wouldn’t want my wife to be legally responsible for any debt I incurred before our marriage. That’s just wrong. Also, in my state, she is not responsible for any non-marriage debt I incur without her signature. If anything ever happens to me, I wouldn’t want her to have to have the burden of paying off my student loans on top of everything else.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 am
I agree with icup. Find ways to limit sharing “debt” because you can’t assume the other partner is going to be there, even if you marry them. They can get hit by a bus the very next day, they can get terminally ill, and meanwhile, someone has to pay off that “shared” debt.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 am
The thought of combining my finances with a spender leaves me in a cold sweat. I do think, though that the experience of paying down debt is really good for you. I struggle with my savings because, well, its hard to just save up your money until you have a big pile of it. Whereas, if you have some debt, the satisfaction of being debt free can carry you a long way.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 am
I’ve written about how Kris and I handle finances in our marriage before. For the most part, they’re completely separate. I even have a couple of Quicken accounts devoted to tracking how much we owe each other: “Kris-long” and “Kris-short”. Neither one of us considers this a sticking point because it’s something we both like, and because it’s something we agreed on early in the marriage.
I’ve known married couples — including my parents — who couldn’t agree on financial matters, and I think that’s largely because they weren’t aware of each other’s spending habits before getting married. I think that there are a couple of approaches that a saver and a spender can take when tying the knot. Sara’s article above describes one approach. My article from April describes one approach. I’m sure there are many others.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 am
I LOVE the point about not waiting to start saving until the debt is paid down. Absence of a cushion is debt waiting to happen.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:32 pm
Good post. My husband is definitely a spender, and we have separate chequing accounts. Our solution is to delegate all of the non-mortgage bills to his account: cable, phone, hydro, most groceries (thus indulging his shopping habits), everything. Anything beyond the bills is his to spend: on drinks, on me, on the house, whatever. That allows my higher salary to cover all of our saving and investments, as well as paying down the mortgage, which reduces my stress a lot and allows me feel in control of our future.
The more I read money blogs, the more I appreciate our luck in that neither of us came into this relationship with debt (both immigrants). I feel so bad for young Americans starting out their lives already saddled with college debt, it’s a cruel burden.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:42 pm
I applaud.
My question though is, what now? Sure making out your 401k contribution, or it seems in your case your Roth 401k, is nice, but who wants to keep working till they are 55? I want to retire young.
Right now I have a 401k, a Roth IRA, stocks and savings that I contribute to monthly before I even see the money. This will allow me to retire at a younger age than 55, but I want to keep that age decreasing.
Do you have any expertise on what assets would be worth researching and/or investing in above and beyond what I am doing now? If so, please let me know.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:05 pm
I don’t know what the laws are in the US, but, in Canada, any debt accrued after marriage takes place is communal. Technically, after a marriage, individual debt accrued for purely personal matters is not communal, but the onus is on the other party to prove that the debt in no way benefited the family, including allowing for family spending on other items, such as food, clothing, shelter, retirement savings and so on.
Moreover, the estate owes any debts. If you’re the estate, you owe.
This law exists in many US states and in many other countries. It also applies to divorce in many cases.
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Fantastic Post. People always tend to forget about the money situations when they get married. It may not seem like a big deal at first but like the article states, if one comes in with debt and the other loves to save, I think it’s really hard to change someone with their money.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:40 pm
This sounds like me and my husband, to the T. I have the penny jar, and he had the credit card debt. At the time we got married, he was the only one with a paycheck (I was still in school on a free-ride with scholarships and grants). I took it upon myself to help allocate his paycheck in order to pay off his credit card debt, and sure enough, it was all gone a few months later.
However, an interesting note about our marriage is not only that I had savings and he had debt, but we both had extreme financial mentalities on opposite sides of the spectrum: I never spent a dime if it wasn’t absolutely necessary, and he always found interesting and fun ways to spend his money. Somehow we managed to collaborate our mentalities into one that not only accumulates savings for retirement but remembers to splurge every once in a while in order to enjoy our lives *now*.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:23 pm
I also like the idea of saving money while you are in debt. You need to establish saving habits as soon as you can. If you spend all of your money on eliminating debt you will get easily discouraged and possibly quit saving. It also creates something to fall back on like the post mentioned if an emergency happens or something.
By saving when you are in debt you are creating an emergency fund or possibly a future retirement fund, and when you get out of debt you have some money to work with already.
Great post JD!
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Interesting post. I’m always intrigued by thoughts on money and relationships.
1. I was talking with a coworker who makes a substantial amount of money. She said that she wouldn’t marry someone until after they cleared up their debt (exceptions being mortgage, car note…). I’m inclined to agree. I wouldn’t want to marry someone that has mountains of credit card debt where that would become my burden as well. I also don’t like the idea of using my savings to pay off their debt. Something doesn’t seem right there, but whatever works for the people involved. I just don’t believe I would be open to that.
2. I REALLY appreciated what you had to say about paying debt and building up a savings. When I started my “financial adventure” that was the biggest question I had: Pay off debt or build up a savings? Everything I saw said pay off debt. Instead, I paid most to debt, some to savings. I really liked that I had a bit of a cushion. I will admit that once my savings got to be the same amount as the debt I had left over, I cleared out my savings to pay it off. It was just too tempting.
Now I’ve building up my savings again and have other financial goals. Everyone has to do what’s right for them. What was right for me was having a savings and paying off debt at the same time.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:31 am
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August 23rd, 2007 at 2:21 pm
This post reminds me a lot of my fiance and I. I am the saver, and he is a spender. We’ve also been engaged about eight months and we’re about to be married. I helped him pay off a large chunk of his car loan so now he is debt free. The current problem I am having is that he gets very annoyed whenever I talk about saving or investing. I need to slowly convert him to be a super saver.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pm
I think my wife and I are in a bit of a role reversal compared to the women posting comments. When we married, she had no money and small debts all over the place. I had been working for 5-6 years and had saved up enough for a down payment on a house, but I was hesitant about paying off her debts. She took a payment plan to get a potential collection item paid off, and she was successful. However, other debts loomed. Just before we married, I paid off her student loan and paid cash for her new vehicle.
We own a house now, and we have a pretty high combined income, although my income is about 75% of the total.
I’d like to get some opinions on our current spending setup:
1 “Bills” Account - my paychecks + her monthly contribution go here
2 “Expense” Accounts - one for each of us - we each get the same amount of money to spend each month. However, if she makes overtime, etc, all that income goes toward her spending money.
The money in each spending account does not have to be accounted for. Any money spent on the house or outside of the spending accounts comes from the bills account and must be discussed before the purchase is made.
I keep track of all income and spending, pay the bills, manage the 401(k) and Roth direction, open the CDs when applicable, etc.
So my question is this: Does that system sound like I’m being too harsh about spending? We contribute nearly $20k/yr to 401(k) and have no children (we’re planning on starting next year), and we save/invest nearly 30% of other take-home income. If she’s going over some months, although I’m way under budget most months, should I rethink the amount?
I’m trying to get her to read “Smart Couples Finish Rich” with me, but wealth accumulation (i.e., potential early retirement) doesn’t seem to be a priority with her (although she respects it as one of mine).
I’d love to hear some ideas and suggestions, particularly from the women. I want to approach this situation delicately but seriously.
Thanks!
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:45 pm
I’m getting to a point in my life where this is very relevant. I’ve been dating my girlfriend for over four years now and she’s starting to make little hints about the next step in this relationship. One thing I just can’t get over though is the fact that she lives paycheck to paycheck while I’ve got large brokerage, savings and retirement accounts. I love her though… So we’ll figure something out.
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August 25th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
Great post! I think my husband and I are “conscientious” and “clueless,” respectively. He keeps a very close eye on our finances and is very meticulous…I don’t even know when I get paid! As with any important issue in a marriage, the key is honesty and communication.
June 4th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
This is such a great post. I’m a spender and my boyfriend is a saver. We’ve just started talking marriage and I feel terrible for the amount of debt I would be bringing into the marriage. At the same token, I want to pay it all off myself. I feel like his money doesn’t become mine just because we get married and my debt shouldn’t become his. Its more important that we build a solid life together. That means changing my way of thinking so I won’t spend a lifetime spending with him always bailing me out.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
My wife & I have very different philosophies on money. I pay the mortgage P&I, RE taxes, Home insurance, Water & sewer bills, Electricity, Gas, Telephone, Family food shopping & take out meals, Household consumable items & supplies.
I’m on a very tight budget with little to no disposable income. While my wife spends her money to over fill “her” TWO WALK-IN closets, her son & daughters’ closets, the closet at the front door, and many large plastic tubs in the attic & basement with “HER CLOTHES”.
Several dozens of every apparel (shirts, pants, shoes, dressess, etc) most have been worn very few times when the next one is purchased. She has a compulsion that keeps her buy clothes for HERSELF all year & every year.
After many conversations (arguements) I’ve only been able to get her to pay for her own car, auto insurance & auto maintenance, her cell phone, 1/2 of the satellite TV bill, and her long distance calls on the land line.
We both buy clothes & toys for the kids, but I pay the most significant portion of the daycare & summer camp bills, & family vacations. I’m the one funding the two college 529 funds, and I’m the only one saving for retirement.
All the exterior landscaping, lawn care, snow removal, and interior/exterior home renovations & improvements are funded by me.
It seems like my money funds nearly all of the family needs and her money is hers; with very little exception. She’s very self centered & selfish; and she wasn’t that way before we got married. Getting her to spend any of her money on ANYTHING for the family is like pulling teeth, she expects me to pay everything. Her money is for HER.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
My wife & I have very different philosophies on money. I pay the mortgage P&I, RE taxes, Home insurance, Water & sewer bills, Electricity, Gas, Telephone, Family food shopping & take out meals, Household consumable items & supplies.
I’m on a very tight budget with little to no disposable income. While my wife spends her money to over fill “her” TWO WALK-IN closets, her son & daughters’ closets, the closet at the front door, and many large plastic tubs in the attic & basement with “HER CLOTHES”.
Several dozens of every apparel (shirts, pants, shoes, dressess, etc) most have been worn very few times when the next one is purchased. She has a compulsion that keeps her buy clothes for HERSELF all year & every year.
After many conversations (arguements) I’ve only been able to get her to pay for her own car, auto insurance & auto maintenance, her cell phone, 1/2 of the satellite TV bill, and her long distance calls on the land line.
We both buy clothes & toys for the kids, but I pay the most significant portion of the daycare & summer camp bills, & family vacations. I’m the one funding the two college 529 funds, and I’m the only one saving for retirement.
All the exterior landscaping, lawn care, snow removal, and interior/exterior home renovations & improvements are funded by me.
It seems like my money funds nearly all of the family needs and her money is hers; with very little exception. She’s very self centered & selfish; and she wasn’t that way before we got married. Getting her to spend any of her money on ANYTHING for the family is like pulling teeth, she expects me to pay everything. Her money is for HER.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:46 am
Rick: you don’t need me to tell you that this isn’t right. It isn’t, and I’m sorry. I gather that despite that, you either love your wife enough not to leave, or you’re afraid of being blown to economical smithereens and/or lose the kids if you leave.
If you two still have a relationship where you talk, when you’re private some night, can you say to her, “Can I ask you something?” If she says no, obviously, it’s not a good time, but otherwise, if she says yes, ask her. Don’t get accusatory or angry, just ask her. Ask her why the money she earns doesn’t go into family/home care, and building towards the future. Isn’t she interested in a future with you? And then wait for her to answer. Just leave the question like a big dead fish in the middle of the room.
In truth, I think there’s more than simple selfishness here - she’s shopping compulsively to fill some other need, and I both understand and share that, and am working hard to get it under control. But the question still stands. One of the reasons I’m working to get it under control is that I DO want to build for the future - together - and not just live for a house - or closets - full of Stuff.
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August 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am
Hi!
Really enjoyed the post. After my divorce it was a real eye opener how important it is to understand the differences between a saver and a spender. I was the saver, he the spender. After the marriage ended and it took all the savings (minus 401k, IRA, etc) to pay of unsecured debt we accumulated I vowed to never be in that situation again. I liked the part of the article where it says while you are paying off debt you must also start to save so that you can see results of improved financial behavior. I think this is key and helps you avoid falling back into the same place. Good luck to everyone out there, having these big relationships in our lives are never easy for lots of reasons and resolving financial issues are more critical than it may seem.