Lady Kemma recently wrote with a question about money and ethics:
Last week I went out with my work department. After feeding 30 people, all with individual checks, I left the harried waitress a generous tip. My colleague said, “You’re leaving too much tip.” I said, “The poor lady earned it.” I left the money on the cash tray and got up to leave. My colleague proceeded to take some of the money off my cash tray and put it in her pocket. Since I only have to deal with this lady once a year, I let it go. Thoughts?
Dilemmas like this fascinate me. There are so many things going on at once, it’s difficult to make a smart decision on the spot. I like to think I would have challenged my colleague — I’ve waited tables, and if I leave a tip for someone, nobody had better touch it. On the other hand, I’m often afraid to make a scene, so maybe I would have kept my mouth shut. I don’t know. Just two hours after Lady Kemma sent her question, Kris and I faced a similar situation, but in reverse.
I took Kris to lunch at my favorite Chinese restaurant last Saturday. The bill was $10.25. I left a $1.75 tip. “That’s not enough,” Kris said. “Why not?” I asked. “There’s a certain minimum you need to leave, no matter what the bill,” she told me. “That’s crazy,” I said. “I usually leave $6 when I order a $4.50 lunch on my own. That’s 33%!” When we got up to leave, she put an extra $2 on the table. Is there a minimum tip amount? What is it? (I’m not asking about 10%, 15%, 20% — I’m asking about actual dollars and cents.)
Finally, from the September 2005 Boston Review, here’s one of my favorite money dilemmas:
Mike is supposed to be the best man at a friend’s wedding in Maine this afternoon. He is carrying the wedding rings with him in New Hampshire, where he has been staying on business. One bus a day goes directly to the coast. Mike is on his way to the bus station with 15 minutes to spare when he realizes that his wallet has been stolen, and with it his bus tickets, his credit cards, and all his forms of ID.
At the bus station Mike tries to persuade the officials, and then a couple of fellow travelers, to lend him the money to buy a new ticket, but no one will do it. He’s a stranger, and it’s a significant sum. With five minutes to go before the bus’s departure, he is sitting on a bench trying desperately to think of a plan. Just then, a well-dressed man gets up for a walk, leaving his jacket, with a bus ticket to Maine in the pocket, lying unattended on the bench. In a flash, Mike realizes that the only way he will make it to the wedding on time is if he takes that ticket. The man is clearly well off and could easily buy himself another one.
Should Mike take the ticket?
The “correct” answer to this final moral dilemma varies from culture-to-culture. In the U.S., most people would say, “No, Mike should not take the ticket.” But, as the article explains, in other parts of the world, an overwhelming majority of people believe the right thing to do is for Mike to take the ticket — personal relationships and contractual obligations are more important. (The Boston Review article isn’t about personal finance, but it’s absolutely fascinating — read it if you have a chance.)
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Mail carriers are paid MUCH better than people who deliver pizzas. Also,there is a modest cap on the amount of “tips” mail carriers are allowed to accept (I think it used to be $10 from any person, usually given during the holiday season.)
I asked about tipping the pizza driver because I used to deliver pizzas many years ago and tips were not common in those days. The general rule was, if you work for a place with cheap pizzas, you’ll deliver a lot of pizzas but the customers will be cheap and not tip…if you work for a place with expensive pizzas, you’ll deliver few pizzas but most of your customers will tip very well.
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Wow. I didn’t read all 100+ comments, but for the person from #1, I noticed that most of them said things like “I would have told the person it’s none of their business.”
That’s fine, and all, for people who understand that type of interference isn’t right, but the kind of person who would do that obviously doesn’t understand in the first place.
The issue is much simpler than that. The colleague STOLE money from the person who left the tip. It’s as simple as that. To let a thief get away with it is completely unacceptable.
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Ahh, eating out and the tip dilemma. As a frugal person I leave 15% only. If the service went above and beyond then I will leave 20%. I eat out with people of both persuasion, those who overtip even though they have no money themselves, and those who want to undertip and believe 10% is the standard. Usually there isn’t a fight and 15% is the settled amount. I would’ve said something to the women who took some of the tip money left by another person. In a way, that is theft.
The only time there is an issue for me is when you go out to eat with a coupon. I did this and when the bill came I wasn’t sure to leave the tip with the original price of dinner or the actual price. In the end I decided to leave the tip based on the amount prediscount but I wish an etiquette person would give a definitive answer on this.
And also are we supposed to tip at buffet type restaurants where someone seats you buy you get up and get your food yourself? I don’t think most people tip at the buffets, but I do, just usually only 2-3 dollars if for 2 people.
And for the person asking, I always tip delivery people. I know how expensive gas is and they deserve the tip. For a up to a $20 pizza, it’s be a $2-3 tip, for a $30-40 meal I’d tip around $4-5.
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1) Thats just stealing
2) Its a percentage
3) I’d take the ticket and leave a note explaning, with a contact address and an offer to reimburse.
With the first two questions though surely this just highlights the fact that a tipping culture is wrong.
Would the owner of the restaurant let you pay them what you feel like, I don’t think so. So why should the staff?
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Clearly #1 is just stealing and should not be stood for. A more interesting question is, what if the person removed money from their own tray, undertipping to make up for the overtipper?
And a tip should always be a percentage of the pre-discount amount, that much is clear (I’ve even encountered some coupons that explicitly state that epectation.) IMHO tipping is 15% of the pre-discount, pre-tax amount, modified very rarely up to 5% more or less if service is well above or well below expectations.
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