How to Use the Amazon Marketplace for Fun and Profit
Published on - September 23rd, 2007 (by J.D. Roth) This is a guest post from Cady. You can read more from Cady in her fiscal fitness journal in the Get Rich Slowly discussion forums.
While rearranging my music collection recently, I decided to pull out anything I hadn’t listened to in a year. I had quite a stack. I looked at some of my titles and decided to sell them. I’d never really considered it before, but since I buy most of my new-to-me music used on Amazon I figured, “Why not try selling some there too?”
I logged into Amazon and set up a sellers account with a few clicks. The sellers account interface is easy to use. For each title, I decided on its condition (used-acceptable for example), and then set my price as the lowest. I sat back to see what would happen.
Making money
I’ve now sold 28 titles in about two months for about $160 in profits. Let me give you two examples of how the shipping and commission works.
The last CD I sold, Amazon charged the buyer:
- Item Subtotal: $5.50
- Shipping: $2.98
- Total: $8.48
Amazon credited my account:
- Buyer’s price: $5.50
- Amazon commission: ($2.62)
- Shipping credit: $2.98
- Your earnings: $5.86
So, in effect, on this one they gave me $0.36 towards the shipping since I put it up for sale for $5.50. Their cut comes out of the buyers shipping costs on this one. The actual shipping cost to me at the post office was $1.61. Less the $0.36 shipping credit up to this point, I’ve cleared $4.25. The envelope I shipped it in cost me $0.33 at Walgreens on sale with a coupon. So I earned $3.92 on that sale.
I’ll use my most expensive one as another example:
Amazon charged the buyer:
- Item Subtotal: $12.00
- Shipping: $2.98
- Total: $14.98
They credited my account:
- Buyer’s price: $12.00
- Amazon commission: ($3.59)
- Shipping credit: $2.98
- Your earnings: $11.39
So, in effect, on this one they gave me no money towards the shipping and took some of my profit as well. The shipping costs at the post office was still $1.61. So far, for me, it has been no more than $1.84 to mail a CD First Class via USPS, and that is if it is a double disk or has a heavy booklet. So minus the $1.61 shipping credit and the $0.33 envelope, I earned $9.92 on this sale.
My system
I keep everything I have for sale on Amazon in a bag separate from my collection while waiting for an email to arrive that says “Sold, Ship Now.” When an email arrives, I go to the sellers account page, click on the order and then click on “print shipping label.” I print out two copies, one for my records and one to go inside the package. I cut out the buyers name and address, tape it to the front of the bubble-mailer and I ship it either the same day, if I get the message early enough in the day, or the next morning when I go to work. While at the sellers account order page, I also send a short note to the buyer that I’m mailing it out first class via USPS.
Amazon gives you an option to get paid either in a Amazon Gift certificate, or every other Saturday they will automatically dump the balance into your checking account. There is a magic threshold of sales that will make Amazon tell you that you can no longer use the gift certificate as an option. You must change to a checking account. That would be a good thing however since that means you are selling a lot of items.
If you don’t want to wait for your money you can ask to transfer the balance to your checking account whenever you wish. In my experience, though they say it might take up to five days to credit your account, my bank posts it in about two business days.
Your success will depend on the type music you have. The more common, the less you’ll get for it, and then it’ll be less cost effective to ship. My personal cutoff is $4. Below that I’m not making enough money to burn the gas to go to the Post Office. My imported Jazz, Gypsy music, Govt Mule and the Grateful Dead off-shoots (like Lesh and Friends, or Ratdog) all make good money. Steve Earle ain’t selling real well.
Lastly, although I’m losing in double-digits percentage-wise on commission, fees and shipping, I’ve gained about $160 I didn’t have otherwise. Those discs were just sitting there, and I’d have had to put out quite a bit of effort without using Amazon to turn that stack of 28 CDs into $160. I wouldn’t have made $6 per disk at a yard sale. I’ve tried visiting local used CD shops and I get maybe a $1 a disk if I’m lucky.
So what it amounts to is: I’m paying Amazon to borrow their infrastructure to reach a few million shoppers who were not going to be coming to my yard sale. I probably won’t try to sell other things and I have to confess the sale of books for me on Amazon is a waste of time. But I appreciate the tiny income stream that this has generated for me in the last few months.
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Hmm..interesting article, but what i don’t understand is her concept of “profit”..If you purchased the cd for 0.00, then it makes sense, but something tells me we’re starting with, at least, 9.99 a pop-each cd!! In that case, she LOST money. I find Amazon’s” commission” highway robbery…
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…and what kind of opportunity cost came with you making $3.92 on a sale? You had to sit down, list the item and go to the post office to ship it…add up the time.
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@bigslam
But nowadays, all you really need is copy the CD to your computer/mp3 player. There’s really no need to hang on to the actual CD (except maybe for listening to in your car if you don’t have an iPod jack)…
You really don’t need to hang onto the CD–instead, you could recoup some of the cost of buying it in the first place… It makes sense to me to sell if you can make more doing that (minus all the fees) than selling to a place that will buy the CDs from you.
I’m going to sell some books (and after reading this, maybe CDs and DVDs) on Amazon. I’ve got a couple of little paperbacks that are rare/out of print that I think I could get $25+ for… The ones I can’t get much for, I’ll take to Half Price Books.
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Amazon isn’t worth selling can’t even make a $1 for all the trouble you’re going through…package, shipping…
Ex. Let’s say you sell something ofr $10 and the person chose expedite shipping (6.99).
By this calculation (10+6.99) – (.15)*(10+6.99) = 14.45 (before shipping) and you’ll actually collect approximately $7 or less after shipping;
Kinda expensive don’t ya think? What if the shipping cost was higher than what the person paid for?
Use this equation to calculate what you’d pocket
[P+S - (.15)*(P+S)]=R then put values into R-S2 = C
P = Price of Sale
S = Shipping Price (3.99 standard, 6.99 expedite)
R = what you get from the left side of the equal sign
S2 = what you actually paid for shipping at the post office
C = what you actually collect
Another example,
[1+3.99 - (.15)*(1+3.99)] = R
R-(3.99) = 0.2515 ( used 3.99 assuming that the shipping cost was no more/less than what the person paid for)
You sold something for a $1 but only got .25 cents, not worth the trouble.
Hence to even make $1 you must sell something worth $1.9 with standard shipping 1.9 + 3.99 – (.15 * (1.9 + 3.99)) – 3.99 = 1.0165 or $2.45 on expedite shipping 2.45+6.99 – (.15)*(2.5+6.99)-6.99=1.0265
*This means, you should consider if you want offer expedite shipping on certain items, others even if you actually wana go through the trouble
Note for Equation and examples,
** All calculation done without adding the cost for shipping material!
** Commission percentage applied both to the Sales price as well as shipping choice (what amazon does)
If you have comment/suggestion reply to this or send message to goldennightsx@yahoo.com
glad to help
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As a retired business owner (45 years), I have some advice for all those who are agonizing over the cost of selling on Amazon or any other online marketing venue.
You are looking through the wrong end of the telescope. The important (and necessary) componenet of busines is how much you make (profit), not how much you spend.
In business, profits result from NET INCOME calculated over a period of time and for a quantity of goods. Calculations for a single item, or even a handfull of items, have no meaning for an ongoing business.
Look only at anuual NET income. Sure, some sales will result in a loss but good customer service is extremely valuable for customer loyalty, goodwill, and long range profits. This is worth money to you.
I found (by accident) a very good little book on Amazon selling. “How to Sell Books on Amazon . . .” by Christine E. Miller ($16, I think) is full of GOOD practical advice, lots of outside resources, real life examples from others, and more stuff than you can absorb in one reading. It is sold (where else?) on Amazon.
Read it, develop your own business profile, and quit worrying about the small stuff. There is money to be made here for you too!
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Here’s my calculation for selling a $10 CD. If you are not a Pro Merchant seller, there is a 99 cent fixed closing fee. There is an 80 cent variable closing fee. There is a 15% commission. The total is $3.29 (.80 + .99 + 1.50). The closing fees are killer for low-priced items.
Amazon allows $2.98 for shipping. You should ship CDs First Class unless the buyer pays for expedited shipping. Amazon buyers are very sensitive to delivery time and also to quality of packing. It usually costs $2.47 to ship a CD in a bubble mailer. Delivery confirmation is highly recommended so the buyer can’t claim the item was never delivered. Using the USPS online shipping label will provide it for 19 cents. Shipping overseas to certain countries can be an expensive, frustrating headache that will adversely affect your feedback rating.
Listing on Amazon is many times quicker than eBay. eBay listing is extremely labor intensive.
One thing to consider is that eBay charges a listing fee which you pay even if the item does not sell. There is no charge on Amazon if the item does not sell.
Another thing to consider is that very often you can get a much higher price on Amazon.
As a buyer I make it a point to buy from small sellers and not to buy from anyone who underprices someone else by a penny.
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