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Recently I wrote about the transition from “becoming debt-free” to “living debt-free”. One reader e-mailed me some advice that I felt did a good job summarizing what everyone had said. The following was written by James Crocker, and is an excerpt from a much longer message. This post has been edited for clarity.
Congratulations! You’re about to accomplish something many people have never done, and something that many others never will do: become debt-free. (Well, except for your mortgage.) It is no small feat, and I commend you not only for your efforts, but also for the helpful information you’ve spread to others.
I know where you are coming from. I struggled to get out from under student loans, car loans, and credit card debt for many years. It took a long period of living below our means to pay down all of our debts. Currently the only debt my wife and I have is a mortgage on our house. Our emergency fund covers six months of both of our salaries.
Beware of rationalization
If you’re like me, when you get out of debt you will run into an interesting psychological problem: How now shall you live? You’ll soon find yourself with “extra” income, income that was before going to pay off debt. What do you do with this extra cash? How will it impact your spending? How will it affect your impulse buys? How will it affect your budget?
With freedom from debt comes more opportunity to rationalize. I was overjoyed when I became debt-free: I felt free for the first time in a long time. I felt like I had an increased ability to spend. I very nearly stumbled into old habits of acting on impulse and making unwise purchases. It was because I didn’t know what to do with my money. With no debt, you will begin to allow yourself to rationalize unwise purchases. “Well, I’m debt-free, and have the cash now, I could get that iPhone.” Or, even worse: “Now that I’m debt-free, I could get that big-screen HDTV with no interest payments until 2008″.
Set long-term goals
My advice is to first to set some more long-term goals, and to put yourself on a path to reach them. You’ve reached the “get out of debt” goal. But what now? How do you curb unwise purchases? For example, you might consider:
- Do you want to retire early?
- Do you want to put an addition on your house?
- Do you want to pay for a child’s education?
- Do you want to travel?
- Do you love antique furniture?
- Do you want to get your pilot’s license?
- Want to start building that home theater?
- Do you want to pay off your mortgage to become truly debt-free?
There’s not enough money to do every whim you desire, but by thinking about it, planning for it, then saving for it, there will be enough money to really do what you want in life. Set long-term goals that you want to accomplish. Incorporate them into your planning, and into your month-to-month budget. As with everything else, it is very helpful to automate long-term savings — it keeps you from cheating yourself. (Two goals I recommend highly are establishing a six-month emergency fund and planning for early retirement.)
Give yourself an allowance
“Ok”, you say to yourself, “these long-term savings ideas are all well and good, but how will this help curb my desire to spend unwisely? How will this make me feel like I’m free of money problems?”.
Slow down! You’re debt-free, but you will still worry about money, just in different ways, and for different reasons. You now have flexibility. It may seem like you’re on Easy Street now, but after a month you’ll realize you still can’t buy everything your heart desires. We all know this in our heads, but in our hearts I think there’s always a little voice saying, “Once I’m debt free, I’ll be able to get X, Y, and Z.”
I recommend giving yourself an allowance. Budget it. This works great for me, and it will probably work for you. You’re meeting your savings goals, you’re paying all your bills, you’ll be able to retire. And now when you have a desire or need (whether wise or unwise), you can debate using your allowance on it. Want a comic book? If you decide that’s what you want, go for it. No guilt. This will also help curb large unwise decisions. Want that cool new Nintendo Wii? Do you have enough allowance for it? Maybe not, but if you save for a couple of months, you can afford it. This method effectively accounts your whims, and allows you the feeling of being more able to do as you wish. It is a great feeling.
As I said before, your money problems aren’t over. You will never have an allowance big enough to get every little thing you want. You will generally always feel like those big purchases are just out of reach. But ultimately this allowance will help you and keep you out of trouble — it will prevent you from spending money you don’t have.
Real-life example
As an example, here’s what my wife and I have done now that we’re debt-free. (I’m 27, we both work, no kids.):
- We both contribute to our 401ks to get the company match. We’re taking care of retirement.
- We have a budget to cover monthly expenses and a little buffer for the unexpected. We’re taking care of daily living costs.
- We’ve set some long-term goals. I want to go back to grad school. We also want to purchase some nice furniture. It may be helpful to use multiple savings accounts to pursue multiple goals.
- We give ourselves a monthly allowance. I use mine for video games. My wife has bought a few outfits she enjoys and doesn’t have to feel guilty about. She feels even better when she shops around to find great deals that fit in her allowance.
We finally are debt-free, and are learning how to live and feel free as a result. It wasn’t automatic — it requires continuing planning and awareness. But it is so worth it.


October 21st, 2007 at 6:04 pm
I just recently gave myself an allowance for clothes, and boy, is it freeing! Before I was always scared of overspending, so I bought a lot of crap I didn’t really like. Now I know EXACTLY how much I have available to spend (down to the penny!), so I can buy things that I really love and will treasure for the long term.
October 21st, 2007 at 6:07 pm
October 21st, 2007 at 7:33 pm
Awesome! It feels like my debt free day is so far off, but at the same time it is really inspiring to read what those on the ‘other side’ have to say about it. I can see myself there some day, I just have a large mountain to climb over first.
Best of luck to all of you making the journey.
October 21st, 2007 at 9:09 pm
What wonderfully sound advice! I fell into the trap the reader is describing. Years ago I had a little bit of debt and I paid it all off and felt like the world was my oyster. Then I got myself into even worse debt than I was in before! It really is all about transforming our relationship to money and our spending patterns.
October 21st, 2007 at 11:14 pm
You have a mortgage. A mortgage is debt. Calling yourself debt-free while you have a mortgage is either delusional or an abuse of the English language.
October 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 am
Isn’t the point of the post that he has eliminated the “bad” debt from his personal finances? Gosh give the guy some credit! Your right up to the point that he should have included making extra payments towards the mortgage on his list of long term goals. Something to consider James?
October 22nd, 2007 at 2:28 am
A mortgage is debt. Only once you have paid off for the house then you are properly debt free. That is like having the biggest boulder lifted from your shoulders.
October 22nd, 2007 at 5:51 am
Obviously a mortgage is a debt. In the original conversation, we were clearly discussing non-mortgage debt. This is is a common distinction, and a useful one. Nobody is ever going to deny that a mortgage is a debt (how could they possibly do so?).
To clarify things, I’m going to edit the post to indicate that we’re discussing non-mortgage debt here.
October 22nd, 2007 at 6:39 am
What about this? Put every paycheck into a high interest savings account, and pay everything on credit. At the end of the month, you have earned money on your income, and then you pay off your entire credit card bill.
I do this each month (with a budget), pay everything with credit, and I make money in the process.
Yes, buying everything on credit can be dangerous because there isn’t a tangible thing being spent, but with a proper budget, things go smoothly for me!
October 22nd, 2007 at 7:38 am
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October 22nd, 2007 at 7:52 am
I can’t even begin to explain how good the advice to have an allowance is. We’ve been doing that for a long time and it is extremely important to keeping our budget functional.
We recently ran into some troubles with a job loss while trying to get out of debt so we cut the allowance. We were ready to crumble without it and decided to bring it back in a smaller form. It is so wild what an effect this has on our perception of our situation.
The trick is not to let the allowance get too big because it could cause arguments if one person thinks it’s too high and the other wants more. For example, it shouldn’t be so high that one person can save it for a few months and buy a big screen television. It should be high enough though where they can get things they want but don’t want to burden the household budget with. As with the whole financial plan, it’s still vitally important to continue to have shared goals.
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October 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 am
Mortgage is the biggest debt anyone can have. That is what I am avoiding. I am happy living in rented situation that helps me live stress free of not having to fix the kitchen sink, taxes etc. If I don’t like where I live, then I move. The concept of home is pertinent in me, but when I think of the debt attached to it, I hyperventilate. It is not credit cards or small loans that bug me as they are easier to handle. It is a house mortgage that is the big problem for me. Knowing I will loose my sleep over this, I avoid it totally. However with all that extra money, I contribute to a fund called house fund. I give myself 10 years to build an amount for down payment. I hope it is going to be half the cost of the house. The thing I am saying is that, why get into a mortgage in the first place without trying out the saving situation with oneself. Each person has a different diligence of saving, why not learn your pattern, then plan…instead of the other way around. I pretend I have mortgage debt (and I don’t get stressed up). Then I fund it religiously every month. That is how I am debt free and use my extra money…
October 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 am
I don’t want to be the pin that bursts the bubble, but isn’t saying “I’m debt free; except the mortgage” kind of like saying “I’m drug free; except for pot”?
October 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 am
Not really, Traciatim, in terms of credit rating. Mortgages are considered a necessary houshold expense and don’t count against you as a debt. It is expected that a house is something most people don’t pay in full.
October 22nd, 2007 at 12:43 pm
MOST people have mortgages believe it or not. Everyone needs a place to live but not a new Wii. Now a days, its hard enough to buy groceries. I am debt free with a mortgage but still feel I am in the minority. It would be great not to have a mortgage but I am also realistic. Do I want riches when I retire or memories? I have heard too many stories of people working their whole life, saving every penny for that Winnebago, retire and have health issues that prevent them from living their dream. Stay with in your means but by all means have some fun along the way with your family while your young. Smell the roses!
October 22nd, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Well I’m actually at this point in my life. And its interesting. Automation for everything in order to stay this way. 401k’s for my wife and I maxed. Same for IRA’s. And above that X amount a month into cash saving for building up the 6 month fund (which we use for sudden larger emergencies like blown water heaters).
Deciding what those goals is kinda challenging. Yes we could work on our mortgage but we most likely won’t be living there in a year. We will have kids in a few years so savings are being increase for the medical expenses when that comes.
Our loves are travel and food, and we enjoy them both. But without hard and fast goals its easy to start flittering that extra away.
October 22nd, 2007 at 3:07 pm
The fact that so many people now have problems with their mortgages should open our eyes now that whatever we call it, a mortgage is a debt. I’m sure that James Crocker have also put the mortgage payments in the budget. So, why not having “pay off the mortgage” as a long term goal?
J.C. Carvill
Email: support@cosmosing.com
http://www.cosmosing.com/jeanclaudecarvill/index.php
October 22nd, 2007 at 5:56 pm
For those readers who are interested in an artistic and historical reminder of why being debt free is a worthy endeavor, I recommend the movie “Sweet Land”.
If I remember correctly the literal translation of mortgage is “until death” in French.
Inspired by your posts, J.D. and the experiences and perspectives of your readers’ comments.
October 22nd, 2007 at 8:15 pm
I don’t think that contributing to the 401(k) up to the match has retirement under control either, unless there’s some other pension or retirement account unmentioned.
October 22nd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Hey gang, author here. Thank you for the kind comments, and thank you J.D. for posting my email (and doing a fantastic job of editing my ramblings!).
I just wanted to address the ‘mortgage being debt’ issue. To anyone that wants to argue from a semantics point of view, you are absolutely right. I have a debt on owning my home.
However, looking at it from a fiscal point of view, I don’t consider this such a negative thing. This is for a few reasons.
Firstly, it is (hopefully) an appreciating asset, this makes it slightly different than something bought with credit card debt who’s value is immediately consumed, but you continue to pay interest on it.
Secondly, housing costs are something you have to pay for one way or another. If you were fortunate enough to have someone give you a home, that’s awesome! But for the rest of us you can either rent or buy. I could sell my home right now, start renting and be “debt free”. But i’d just be replacing my mortgage with the cost of renting. It impacts my monthly cash flow the exact same way, but over 30 years I would have ‘wasted’ more rent money on a non-asset, than i would have spent on the interest from the mortgage (and then haveing the house as an asset to boot!)
I really think the key to housing costs is the same as any other financial decision. Live below your means. The house that we purchased is actually very very affordable for our income level. We also used enough of a downpayment to have significant equity (and also avoided PMI charges on our loan). Our fixed interest rate is also at 5%. Our monthly payment is less than what we would pay to rent a similar dwelling.
Another poster pointed out that I could make paying off my mortgage a long term goal. I don’t think that’s a bad idea. I know some people who have been under the HEAVY oppressive weight of debt want to eliminate ALL of it because it makes them feel so bad (I can totally relate!).
However, if you look at it from a long term fiscal perspective… I don’t gain much from paying off my mortgage sooner (other than peace of mind depending on how ‘debt makes me feel’, and for some of you this might be worth it and it’s a worthwhile goal!).
Let’s use a writing on tablecloth example: let’s say your mortgage rate is 6% and you have a 25 year mortgage. You could make extra payments to reduce it to 15 years (or ten, or five). Calculate how much interest you would save.
Now take those extra payments and put them into a no load, no fee index fund, Presume an 7%-10% average yearly return depending how conservative you feel. You will see that the interest earned outweighs the amount of interest you pay on your motgage. Now adjust it all for inflation. It’s even more valuable to invest instead of downpay your mortgage.
So if you’re looking for the financially ‘best’ thing to do (in terms of risk vs reward), take whatever you would put extra towards your home, and save/invest it. It will net you more cash over the long term AND it will give you cash on hand should something tragic befall you.
I think the only time where it makes sense to pay off your loan early is if you absolutely can not stand the idea of any debt whatsoever. If you’re like that it is FINE to pay down that mortgage. If that’s what you want in life, go for it with gusto!
The point of this article was more about how to approach making wise financial choices while still feeling like you’re living freely. If a mortgage prevents that feeling of freedom for you, by all means attack it with ferocity!
October 22nd, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Another poster brought up a good point (# 20 Justin) that contributing enough to get the company match isn’t enough for retirement.
Generally you are correct I think in my original email to J.D. I had a more comprehensive portion in there about retirement. But in essence we both get a full 6% matches dollar for dollar from our employers (which i think is above average), and then we do fully fund both of our ira’s as well, and then on top of that we save additional investments in a non-sheltered brokerage account (juuuuust in case we ever need to get at the money without taking a significant penalty hit).
Anyways, I think the important thing about retirement is to figure out how much you’ll need to retire and by when. And then getting on the road that will take you there. We’ve calculated ours out, and if things continue as they have been we will accomplish that goal within acceptable tolerance levels.
I did NOT mean to imply that if everyone else just gets their company match they can retire. Merely that we have made retirement something we’ve planned for as part of our overall financial gameplan.
October 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 pm
James, I think your comment about mortgage paydowns vs investment is brilliant and intelligent. I’ve read the advice in Motley Fool, and have seen noone else mention it ever.
However, this is my question: at what point do you draw the line? Yes, many people get a tax deduction for their mortgage interest. However, isn’t it better to contribute a larger amount to long-term savings goals, than to pay more money in mortgage interest? I’m not entirely convinced in this theory is foolproof (and I really respect what the Motley Fools guys write).
I, too, am wary about taking on a mortgage. Yes, I know all the “smart” reasons to buy property. I also know people “trapped” by their mortgages and thus made slaves to their traditional jobs (I’m self-employed, and I’ve “retired for a year,” or gone to live in another country/travel for a few months, a few times already — personal freedom means a lot to me).
In my case, also, I pay a very low rent (about 30% of what the “low end of what I want/need for a mortgage” would be). I’ve also been lucky/smart enough to pick the right mix in one of my retirement investment accounts to reap (no kidding) 20-25% return for about the past two years. So, in my case anyway, I’m pretty sure I’m not “losing money” by not having mortgaged, appreciating property. I’m not convinced that the runup of real estate prices from the past 5-10 years is going to continue at the same rate for the next 5-10. So I really wonder if it’s such a great “asset” to get a mortgage now, instead of waiting until the market evens out a bit and I have more cash and am able to make a 30+% down payment, and thus pay less in mortgage interest overall.
October 22nd, 2007 at 11:45 pm
* Do you want to retire early?
* Do you want to put an addition on your house?
* Do you want to pay for a child’s education?
* Do you want to travel?
* Do you love antique furniture?
* Do you want to get your pilot’s license?
* Want to start building that home theater?
* Do you want to pay off your mortgage to become truly debt-free?
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1. Yes, anything to get out of my awful job.
2. In my case, that’s a really silly question. (A: Um, no.)
3. I’m already paying to educate thousands of children in my community, thank you.
4. Sure, but that’s a low priority for me.
5. No, I might be aesthetically challenged.
6. Another low priority.
7. Another really silly idea.
8. I’d be happy just to GET a mortgage.
October 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 pm
Question for James Crocker:
Do you think it is feasible for someone with student loan debt, earning minimum wage, to live below their means if living with parents is not an option?
October 23rd, 2007 at 5:57 am
Minimum Wage:
That’s a silly question really. It doesn’t even deserve an answer.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:46 am
James,
Great points plus you could add not paying down your mortgage and saving instead increases your liquidity greatly. This is very important now since it is such a buyers market. If you NEED to sell your house today, you are in trouble.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:27 am
#27/Willie, I agree completely.
#25/Minimum Wage, I think it’s -feasible-, but in NO way shape or form do I think it’s easy. As JD has often pointed out, your 3 options for increasing savings are: save more, earn more, or do nothing. Since it’s probably tougher to save more, my (not very helpful) advice would be to work on getting a job that pays more than minimum wage. Big box stores like Best buy and home depot tend to pay slightly above minimum wage (and compensate for overtime), but I’d also recommend looking into working for UPS or a local moving/delivery company or construction. These have worked out for me in the past. It tends to be unskilled labor where they pay a little more. YMMV, but it WILL involve a bunch of footwork to get a better job, but it is do-able and worth it! Good luck!
#23/SR My ego thanks you! I too am leery of the “but I save so much since I can deduct my interest in taxes!” theory. I think the only time it could -save- you money is if you can deduct enough to lower the tax bracket you’d normally be in. The rest of the time it is just slightly lowering your tax liability. You’re still paying interest, it’s just technically you’re using ‘tax free income’ on it. Which is admittedly better than a sharp stick in the eye but doesn’t really lower your interest rate or mortgage payment, just your cost of capital.
I think you also have your head on straight about how you view a house as an asset. I do not believe subscribe to the theory that “A home is the best investment you could ever make”. I think it is a -reasonable- investment that -could- make sense depending on how you like to live.
But I think the most important thing is how you perceive purchasing a home. Do you really think of it as an investment asset, where you are investing money with the hopes of appreciation and future profit on the sale?
Or do you choose a house+mortage as one of the ways to fulfill your need for shelter. And then you are just optimizing your payments and costs to get the most out of this method of living.
I think I’m in the second category. I chose my abode based on how the house fits into how I want to live (which is in a 2 story house with a yard and a basement, just outside of the big city near state parkland). It’s an investment second. I think that this is where the line is that you were asking about. The line is on how much value you personally place on owning a home (of whatever sort you prefer) vs. investments, or any other considerations that come into the mix.
Some people don’t place a high value on working towards owning a home, and that’s perfectly fine.
October 23rd, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Having just signed an offer for a condo, I can say that mortgages are definitely a heavy weight for someone who was formerly “debt-free”. But, that said, I don’t see how you can say you’re debt free when you’re renting either. Having a legally-binding contract that states that you must pay $x per month or lose your shelter and face whatever other consequences arise from that… That’s not really debt-free to me. That’s just replacing a debt owed to the bank with a debt owed to whoever owns the apartment. Outflow is outflow as far as I’m concerned.
But I agree with what James said in his #28 comment. Everyone looks at a house a different way. To some, it’s nothing but a shelter. These people could really care less where they live. For others, it’s an anchor point for their life. It’s their home ground, comfort zone, basis of operations, etc. And of course, there are endless shades of grey in between.
I know I personally fit more into the second, like James, so I find myself agreeing with him. For me, a home is more than just shelter. I’ve been living in apartments for 6 years now, and constantly knowing when I open the door and walk in that it’s all only temporary, and no matter what I do to it, it will never really by mine… I can’t find the right adjective, but it is not a feeling I enjoy, and I’m looking forward to being able to change that.