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This is a guest post from Suzanne S.
I’m English and live in California. My goddaughter recently graduated in England (with a degree in Art). I’m one of those who regrets not starting off with good financial habits when I was younger. I thought I would write her a letter giving her the advice that I wish someone had given me when I graduated.
I would love the perspective from Get Rich Slowly readers on whether they have tried to do the same with someone younger or whether they were the beneficiary of advice from someone else. What worked? What resonated? What failed dismally? Here’s what I have for her so far (with thanks to Plonkee from Plonkee Money for her UK insight).

Dear Goddaughter —
You did it. You graduated. Just as you’ve entered ‘The Real World,’ I’ve stepped into my 40s. And let me tell you, I’m kicking myself about a few things I could have done differently when I was your age. Now that you’re no longer a student, I want to share with you some of the things I wish someone had told me. Consider this my graduation gift to you. Hopefully, it will prove more valuable than any check I could have written.
1. Debt is your enemy. If you don’t have the money, don’t buy it. When you are younger, you think you have all the time in the world to pay things off. It’s much more fun to get what you want now — new car, the latest electronics, new clothes — and then pay for it later. Life is all about socializing and it’s easy to ignore how the drinks, nightclubbing and dinners add up.
My parents set a good example and taught me to live within my means. I was pretty good about this apart from one memorable exception. When I was living in Australia, my two girlfriends were planning a trip to New York and London over the Christmas holidays. I really wanted to go but didn’t have the money. So, what did I do? I took out a bank loan. I kid you not. I had an amazing trip, told myself that the clothes I bought at bargain prices were “investments” and lived the high life. I was lucky in that it only took me eight months — eight painful months — to pay off the debt. I was also lucky that I learned my lesson from this one experience and did not get sucked into more debt.
Debt is your enemy because it’s a trap. It’s hard to get out of it. If you can only afford to pay the minimum balance, debt can very easily spiral out of control. It can take away your freedom to make the best decisions for yourself.
If you are one of the 50,000 students who graduated with debt in the UK in 2007, do everything you can to get out of it fast. According to reports, students are facing an average “debt sentence” of 11 years, and 35% will postpone starting a family, marriage, or buying their own home by an average of six years.
2. Time is your friend (for now). In your early 20s, it’s hard to think about retirement. That’s a lifetime away. But right now, you have a unique chance — one that is weakening a tiny bit every year — to take advantage of a miracle. It’s called the Miracle of Compound Interest. This is a fancy financial term for saying that when you save your money in an interest-bearing account, you not only earn interest on the money you save, but over time you also earn interest on the interest paid in previous months and years. Your money increases exponentially. In fact, your money is working for you.
But to get maximum benefit from this financial miracle, you need to start saving as soon as possible. Like now. As this is a miracle, there’s another positive aspect of it. If you start now, you don’t have to save a lot each month. In fact, it can be just a small amount. Something that you’re not even going to notice missing from your budget. Say £14 per week. That’s just £2 per day — will you really miss that?
But the longer you leave it, the more you will have to put away later to reach the same financial target. A LOT more. And that’s much harder to do when you’ve got the mortgage, the kids and other ‘grown-up’ expenses.
Start now. Open a savings account and set up an automatic deduction so you don’t even notice it happening. Whatever amount you decide to save each month, I’ll match you for the first month so you’ll double your money. Check out the online banks as they often have the best rates.
3. Don’t spend more than you earn. I told you that Mum and Dad taught me to live within my means. Well, that helped me avoid debt apart from that one trip. What it meant though, was that I happily spent ALL my money every month. I was essentially living paycheck to paycheck. It was only when I had a specific goal (for example, when I saved up enough money to go traveling for six months with my husband-to-be), that I cut back. Big mistake.
It’s not enough to just stay out of debt. I should have been saving some of my money every month as soon as I started my career. Automatically.
You need to be saving for more than retirement. How about the deposit on a house? Or a new car? There’s also the very important emergency fund. A few years ago, I had to let go a work colleague in her 20s. She had just signed a year-long lease on her apartment, had no savings and was in tears, asking me what to do. Your emergency could be as dramatic as a job loss or as mundane as a broken fridge. But it makes all the difference to know you have some money set aside to help you through without resorting to debt.
4. Don’t wait until you find your true love to grow up financially. In retrospect, I think I subconsciously was waiting until I got married before getting serious about personal finance. I remember contemplating in my late 20s about whether I should buy a house but I wasn’t sure if I would stay in Australia. It all depended on whom I married. So, I just lived day to day without establishing a strong financial base for myself. I wish I had built my savings as that would have set me up better for life, whether I was single or married.
5. Educate yourself about personal finance. Sadly, I used to skip over the financial stories in the media. Now I read them voraciously. Get started by reading a personal finance book. (“Love Is Not Enough: A Smart Woman’s Guide to Making (and Keeping) Money” by Merryn Somerset Webb or “The Money Diet: The Ultimate Guide to Shedding Pounds Off Your Bills and Saving Money on Everything!” by Martin Lewis might be coming to you for Christmas…) Check out the British personal finance blogs. (For example, Plonkee Money, Money Watch, and Simple Pound.) Build your knowledge base so you can make better decisions about your financial life.
Consider these tips the building blocks to your financial future. Start out with these and see the difference it makes to your bank account and life in general.
Lest you fear that I’m recommending you turn into some kind of Scrooge, counting every penny and being miserly, I’m not. As in many things in life, you want to find a balance between spending and saving. Continue to grab every opportunity to travel while you can (and if you can afford it). Enjoy life to the fullest. Just make sure that you don’t have a price to pay later.
Your loving Godmother — Suzanne S.
Have you written a similar letter before? How well was the advice received? Do you have tips for Suzanne that can help her improve her message?
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November 20th, 2007 at 5:46 am
A great thing to have someone like you in her life. I guess the difficult part is getting the advice to really “reach her” without pushing too hard that it has the opposite effect. It’s tough but who knows, down the road she could be telling people “I learned everything I know about money from my godmother.”
November 20th, 2007 at 5:48 am
Oh no! Why not start out with the stuff around enjoying (celebrating) life, and then go on to say how balanced finance allows you to do this?
I’ve given out a bit of advice in my time, and it’s only when you use that person’s key motivators as your starting point that they ever hear it; otherwise they assume your experiences are far too removed to have any relevance for them.
November 20th, 2007 at 6:30 am
I’ve found it really depends on whether the young person is inclined to listen to any advice whatsoever! This is all excellent and your goddaughter hopefully will hang onto the letter whenever her resolve to be financially responsible weakens. A good Canadian book, Wealthy Barber (D. Chilton) has one essential point and that is, if you pay yourself first–put that little bit in your savings account first–you can blow the rest of your money any way you want. An easy way to increase your savings is everytime you get a raise instead of adapting your spending to the increased money, put the extra in your savings. I managed to save money even when my only job was part-time and one entire paycheque (semi-monthly) went to paying the rent. As a result, now that I work full-time I feel like I’m swimming in money.
November 20th, 2007 at 6:31 am
Great post! I skimmed the first little bit and didn’t realize it was a woman writing. So when I got the part about traveling with two girlfriends I was taken aback and then realize it was a female author.
November 20th, 2007 at 6:58 am
Your second paragraph (about the Miracle of Compound Interest) comes off as somewhat condescending, but otherwise I think the letter is solid.
November 20th, 2007 at 7:19 am
Lot’s of sage advice, but I believe the most important piece of career advice you could offer is missing - do everything possible to build your career around what you love to do and who you like to be with.
Think about the qualities of life and the lifestyle that makes you come alive first, then wrap your living around them. All the savings, all the toys, all the houses and fancy joys do not make up for the loss of the major part of your life to work that does not fill your soul or allow you to deepen the relationships that will make your life a better place to be.
Though my daughter is only 6 now, when she graduates college, my wife and I plan on encouraging her strongly not to dive right into work, right into building her career or socking away her money. Because, within reason, there’s always time for that, but the risk of putting on blinders to passion that so often never come off at such a young age, to me, it just defeats the exploration of so much of what makes life outrageous, abundant, astonishing.
So, maybe, instead of focusing on fiscal responsibility out of the gates, focus on people and passion and know that you can always rebuild your bank account, but you can never get back years in your life.
November 20th, 2007 at 7:38 am
I agree with every comment posted above.
Also, while this letter contains sound advice, it is generic. Since you know your goddaughter, you should tailor your letter to her situation; it’ll be more helpful and she’ll probably be more inclined to listen. For example, find out whether she took student loans instead of saying “If you graduated with debt…”
November 20th, 2007 at 7:41 am
“…focus on people and passion and know that you can always rebuild your bank account, but you can never get back years in your life.”
Isn’t this the mindset that leads to spending all of your money on clothes, bar tabs, and vacations? “Hey, I can always rebuild my bank account, but I can only go to Vegas with my best friends once!” Focusing on people means focusing on other people. And that inevitably leads to the classic keeping up with the Joneses.
I agree that there’s no joy in scrimping while your friends are out, seemingly having the time of their lives. My advice would to be scrutinize every purchase you make. REALLY scrutinize. No impulse buying. Find out how much fulfillment you really get from each purchase. Most people I tell this to find out very quickly that the things they thought made them happy do not.
November 20th, 2007 at 8:06 am
@ Steve,
Great point! But, I believe you may be interpeting my use of the word passion as “recklessness.” Apologies for not being clearer.
By passion, I am speaking more toward meaning, purpose and fulfillment. And, focusing on spending more time integrating the activities and people who make your life not just momentarily pleasurable, but long-term gratifying is actually the exact opposite of keeping up with the Joneses. The focus is not on accumulating stuff or money, but rather building meaningful relationships around purposeful, deeply satisfying action.
Enough money to live comfortably makes a big difference in your overall level of happiness, but beyond that, there is a modest, if any, increase in pervasive happiness. Over the last 4 decades, adjusted disposal income has increased dramatically, but happiness, life satisfaction has not. It has flat-lined.
I am not saying don’t make a nice living, make as much as you want. But I am saying, work like crazy to find a way to do it from a foundation of meaning, where the work you do and the people you are with every day fill you up as much, if not substantially more, than the size of your bank account.
November 20th, 2007 at 8:11 am
First, why not include one of those books you mentioned along with your letter? A letter is easy to lose in the shuffle of moving from school to a new place. A book is something that will keep popping up from time to time so even if she doesn’t take the advice to heart immediately, she may be motivated to read the book (and re-read the letter tucked inside) at a later date.
Second, I agree with the person who suggested listing the positives at the beginning. One of the biggest problems I’ve encountered is the “80’s montage mentality” where hard work is expected to be brief in comparison to the fun that comes out of it. Make sure she understands that the wonderful trips and certain possessions are only possible through planning and a frugal lifestyle, not a single month of scrimping and saving.
And, finally, keep in mind that our attitudes about money are (in part) a reflection of how we’ve seen money used throughout our lives. The letter is an excellent idea, but it can only point her in the right direction. If you speak with her often, talking about general financial matters throughout the world will help to keep your suggestions fresh in her mind without putting too much emphasis on HER finances specifically.
November 20th, 2007 at 8:53 am
Wow, Suzanne, that is a marvelous letter. I wish I had received such a clear, concise, written summary when I was graduating college.
In answer to your question, I did have some good advice, though, in snippets:
Someone (I wish I remembered who it was) told me about compound interest and how important it was to save for retirement. Thank goodness I heard and understood: I’ve been saving since my mid-twenties and as a result I’m in a position to feel fortunate when I hear about the average retiree’s savings: I’m already well beyond that.
Another unknown someone’s financial advice was to avoid drinking, smoking, and gambling. This is uncommon financial advice, but when I see what some of my friends and family members have spent on these “luxuries”, I know it was good advice. If you don’t bet the house, you can’t lose it; and we all know that spending $3 - 5 or more a day on anything (smokes and booze included) can add up to a substantial lost opportunity. Investing that money would be an amazing windfall (but that is the advice I did not get, if only I had saved the money I didn’t spend on these things…)
That’s what I remember, though there must have been other advice. I think your letter is much more thorough, and is a great gift for a graduating college student!
Also: Steve has an important point about passion. The trick is balancing financial responsibility with passion. But if you want the passion to be your vocation, there is no better time to start than now. If you don’t mind keeping your passion as an avocation, then make sure to save the money your earning and keep your passion alive while you do it.
If you haven’t found your passion yet (as I had not when leaving college), Suzanne’s advice will equip you to follow it later whey you find out what the passion is. Nothing puts a damper on passion faster than a pile of debt.
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Wishing you a prosperous future
Daiko
November 20th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Wow, you’re really a Fairy Godmother! Even if your god daughter doesn’t absorb this all now, she can go back over time and revisit your hard-earned wisdom. When you give her the letter, put it in a nice binder, on beautiful paper, so she can add her records to it, perhaps.
I talk very openly about money and values with my kids, and started a blog once I realized there was a limit to how much they want to discuss this issue!
What I would stress along with the dollars/cents advice is that INVESTMENT doesn’t just mean money. It is very important to invest in oneself, invest in friendships, invest in community connections, and in spiritual community/ connection. All studies show that along with financial security (though not necessarily surplus wealth) all these other aspects of life become increasingly important to your happiness bottom line. If you’re stressed out about money, it colors all of life, but if your finances are secure, quality of life is very different from standard of living. You need a balance.
November 20th, 2007 at 9:38 am
Great letter, and its wonderful that you care enough to help her plan for her future.
When I was babtised (at 15, not quite the same), my mum’s good friend took me to tea at a local restaurant (not thrifty, but at leeast it wasn’t an expensive dinner!) and told me 2 things …
1. She woudl always be here for me. She was a good friend of my mum, but that she hoped I realised that she’d always be there for me too. She gave me the freedom to realise that I could ask or tell her anything, even if I thought it might shock her a little. I’ve benefited greatly from that over the past 20 years, and her advice when I ask her an honest question has been invaluable.
I woudl think that a similar offer in the financial sense woudl be great. I can’t tell you the dodgy financial advisors I’ve been to looking for the same with regard to money.
2. I was 15, and by memory in that awkward age of puberty where I knew best about everything, and was probably a little horror most of the time. She told me that she loved me, thought I was smart and amamzing, but that there was only so much that she’d take without treating me like a child. She knew that it was a time of change, but she expected me to be reasonable and honest.
From a financial point of view, you can love your god daughter, and understand if she makes the decision to have a few mad weekends when first faced with a pay packet, but that if she’s going to “Grow up”, you’d love to be able to talk to her like a financial adult.
Good luck, and you sound like a great god parent!
November 20th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Great advice. I wish someone had told me these tips when I was younger (though because of my youth I may not have listened).
November 20th, 2007 at 10:49 am
I have a password protected blog that only my children and grandchildren over age 16 may access. I call it Get the Skinney on Life.
There I try to impart the best wisdom I have or can find written, verbal or video. It is kind of a life work that will pass on to whom ever in the family wants to do it. I try to get my kids and advisors to write a small post in their area of expertise along the lines of what does anyone need to know about this subject. If they can’t write I set up a call, interview them and post it.
November 20th, 2007 at 11:12 am
I think that bit about “Don’t wait until you find your true love to grow up financially.” is really important, and isn’t said enough. So many of us at this age (I’m 21) think that we can’t plan for the future until we know who that future will be with. But we need to wake up and realize that no one else is going to plan for us, and there’s a great benefit in getting started right this minute.
November 20th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
The letter starts off really strongly but I do wonder whether, depending on how financially savvy she is, some of it may come across as slightly condescending.
Some of the key pillars of personal finance are, unless you’re of a particular mindset, about as interesting as watching paint dry so if you can integrate ideas like paying yourself first (mentioned by Leslie) and illustrate what all this ‘boring’ frugality enables (mentioned by Pippin) I think it would make a stronger impact.
Also the idea about sending a personal finance book along with the letter and offering your counsel I think are particularly good.
For context I graduated from University in the UK just over a year ago.
November 20th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Financially speaking, what you write to your Goddaughter is true, but at her age, I honestly think her eyes will glaze over reading it. Putting myself in her shoes, at that age you want to consquer the world, or be an active participant in it, and unfortunately there are those charge cards, that give you a heady feeling - of reaching adulthood, and an illusory sense of purchasing power; the last thing on your mind is funding a retirement fund! And “don’t do what I did” might not sit well either - you “lived from paycheck to paycheck” but she shouldn’t? I totally understand where you are coming from and agree with what you wrote 100%, but how do we get that message across to young adults? Maybe with a book written by their peers? and there are some on the market. (I don’t know that I would listen to the advice of a 40 yr. old if I were that age?)Because our mindset at that age, unfortunately isn’t about being frugal - far from it. We want to fit in and want to dress right. We want to be liked and overspend on our friends. I wrestle with this same dilemma toward my married, 24 yr. old daughter. I wasted so much money in my 20’s and 30’s that I can hardly stand thinking about it, and want her to be way more responsible, especially now when youth is on her side. I know I’m focusing on credit card debt in my post because that’s my biggest worry for young kids today. I don’t want to say I feel powerless over them, but in a way, with all their advertising, etc. I think I do — it’s got to be a worry for parents that their kids will get sucked into incurring high debt from them. And then, they don’t just get one card, but several! I’ll close by saying this: I asked my daughter last week - “by the way, what is the interest rate on your charge card?” She replied, “I don’t know.”
November 20th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
@Stephanie:
I completely agree. After all, when you think about it, of course you’re still an adult if you’re not married. so you need to start having adult finances.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Hi, this is great advice. I have luckily had someone to tell me this at an early age, my father has been talking to me about saving since I remember… at first I did no listen much to him, especially as a recent graduate, I really just wanted to “enjoy” all the money I was making and living paycheck to paycheck, as mentioned in this letter. I have never taken a loan though, and I have never considered taking a debt either (it just wasnt an option to me to owe money to a bank and have to pay them more than I had borrowed). What finally clicked was realizing I had worked very hard for 4 years, (and enjoyed my money thoroughly too mind you) but noticing I had no money in the bank to account for all that hard work. When I found myself in need of buying a car, I realized how important it is to have a cushion amount of cash in the bank. A concept that really impacted me was reading the term “wage-slave” in some personal finance blog, because that was ultimately what I was - totally dependant on my wage and my job. It took away from my confidence and from my sense of liberty, which when you DO have money in the bank allows you to be much more active in my job, because Im not afraid of saying what I think and add much more to the team as a whole due to it.
There is no better advice than putting away money from the start, plus you notice after a few months that it is money you dont really miss. My starting point was putting together a budget myself to keep track of expenses and keeping it updated every month. Now I look forward to income not so that I can spend it, but so that I can invest it… and when you have a reasonable amount, it gets fun to diversify, and watch your money evolve with time, whether it be in stocks, bonds or real estate. I am currently 25 and putting away an average of 40% of my salary.
Once she has some money saved up, I highly recommend the alltime classic and timeless “A random walk down wallstreet” by Burton G. Malkiel to learn the basics of investing and the importance of diversification to secure growth.
Best of luck to you and your god daughter!
Dan
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November 20th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
As a recent grad, I think this advice is off to a good start.
While I found it well-intentioned, it also did seem a bit condescending, frankly.
I think it would be more effective if you assumed she already has a good handle on finance (unless you know for a fact that she doesn’t).
For example, “Life is all about socializing and it’s easy to ignore how the drinks, nightclubbing and dinners add up.”
Not for everyone. The last time I was in a bar, I was still in school. My life isn’t all about socializing, and if hers isn’t, either, she’ll tune out for the rest of the letter.
#4 “Don’t wait…to grow up financially.” Ouch. It’s written as if she isn’t grown-up.
I agree with other commentators: Include a great book on finance. It shouldn’t set you back much, but it could really help her. And, even a small check would be appreciated.
You could call it the start of her retirement fund.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
This is great advice. I’d also add that getting and staying organized helps tremendously with finance management. For example, keeping a monthly or weekly budget and sticking to it. That’s part of planning ahead. However, being organized in other areas of life will also help with finances. Have you ever lost something and had to buy a new one, only to find the original months later? What about spring cleaning and donating to an organization that you can write off? Being organized is often linked to cleanliness and time management but it can contribute to financial stability as well.
-Melissa Donovan
Writing FORWARD
November 20th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
It’s a great idea.
My best advice would be to shorten the letter and package it up with a really good book and an offer to always be there to talk one on one.
November 20th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
I think this is largely a good idea, but agree with others that say it is too long (far too long), condescending, and that it should be included with a basic personal finance book.
One thing I read in a magazine, when I was in my early 20s, was that “in your 20s you learn and in your 30s you earn.” This turned out to be true for me and for most of my friends, too. I think that advocating No Debt Ever is a very dangerous mistake. You can’t fully understand and appreciate virtue until you know what vice entails.
I think it would be a far more effective idea to include a much shorter version of this letter, a pf book, and then [whatever would normally be given as a cash gift] in the form of a long-term CD or other long-term investment. That way they can, as others have also said, revisit the book and letter at their leisure, and also watch the growth of the investment.
November 20th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Wonderful letter. I wish someone would have given me advice like that when I was her age. I read a great financial book when I was about 35. It’s called “Smart Women Finish Rich,” by David Bach. I’ve now started giving it to the young women in my family when they graduate from college.
November 20th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
wish I could get this letter when I was young. better late than never.
November 20th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
I`m gonna play devils advocate here. I`m a college student, and if I got that letter from my godfather, I`d probably stop speaking to him. I don`t want to be too negative here, but I think it needs to be said. To start off though, I don`t know your goddaughter, and I cant reasonably predict how she would act, I can only say how I would.
To start off, replacing the expected present with a letter? Would not fly. I`m pretty sure I`d crumple up the letter, and throw it out without reading it, right off the bat. I`m not saying you have to buy the girl a car, or a laptop or something ridiculously expensive, but a token gift would go a long way towards making her read the letter at all (if it were me).
Do you know if your goddaughter knows anything about finances? Because as a college student who religiously reads financial blogs, and budgets, and is responsible for my finances, I would find a letter such as this INCREDIBLY insulting. Now, I know I don`t know everything, but this advice is very low level, which is great if she doesn`t know anything about personal finances… but if she does… well, I`d be insulted. Even if she doesn`t know anything about personal finances, odds are, as a young adult, she will probably find it insulting anyway. Lets face it, most young adults? A lot of us think we are smarter than our elders. I can`t know what she will feel, I can only say how I would react, and maybe how my friends would (and I`m not sure the difference between American and British young people is enough that the reaction would be that different).
Another thing. I, personally, kind of resent your comments specificly regarding the trip vs. debt. I personally, took out a large loan for a study abroad experience. However, I went into the experience knowing what I was getting into, and made a conscious decision to place myself in that position. It may take my longer to pay off my debts when I graduate next year, but these kind of experiences can help you grow as a person, and can be quite invaluable. I would not change anything about my decision to spend a semester in Japan, nor my decision to see Europe last year. The point is, that for you, Las Vegas may not have been an invaluable experience, but your godchild may want to do something that she would consider invaluable, and your letter talk her out of making an informed decision, which worries me.
I know that I am being awfully critical, but I just want to advise a healthy amount of skepticism if you plan on sending a letter like this in any form. She may love it, praise you, and take it as invaluable advice that she will follow diligently for the rest of her life. Or she may be hurt, feel that you don`t care how she feels, feel like you are condescending, and will go off to learn her own lessons, like the rest of us did. Again, sorry to sound mean, but… just… be warned…
November 20th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
I agree with Kacie that starting with positives might work better. From reading the letter, it doesn’t sound like you have a good sense of your goddaughter’s current financial habits. It might be good to start off with “You’re a smart young lady, and you probably know all this already, but in case any of this is new to you, I just wanted to share the thinking I’ve acquired through some hard lessons.”
But perhaps the best way to have this conversation is to invite her into it - ask more than you tell. Something like “One of the hardest lessons I learned was avoiding debt. I didn’t realize that borrowing for that trip ended up doubling the cost! I’d love to know whether you’ve faced decisions like this, and what you did. Have you been looking ahead at some of these decisions, or hearing about choices your friends have made? What sorts of things seem like sensible debts to you?”
Especially for young adults, an invitation to consider future situations and to describe past experiences can be more welcome than a bundle of advice, however sage.
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November 21st, 2007 at 10:49 am
While the suggestions in the letter are basically sound, I too would have been insulted to get a letter like this upon graduation, especially in lieu of any other gift. I would have found it patronizing and impersonal. Now that I am older, I would just laugh it off, because I’m way, way beyond this level of financial advice (student loans paid off, investments established long ago). But even back then I was already aware of basic financial principles.
The first advice I really listened to was at my six month anniversary of my first job, when I had the opportunity to open a 401(k), and it was given by a colleague who opened up his online investment account to show me his balance ($850,000!) He told me how long he’d been saving, how he started at only 3% of his salary, and about his plans for early retirement. When he told me to open a retirement savings account that day it was MOTIVATING. His advice changed my behavior because it wasn’t abstract. I keep that in mind on the (very rare) occasions that I decide to pass on financial advice.
November 21st, 2007 at 11:44 am
On the whole I thought it was a good letter but could benefit from being tweaked as in some of the above suggestions. Accentuate the positive, edit it down a bit, work very hard to be treating her as an equal and present the issue of the trip as how much more money it cost than anticipated.
I think some posters didn’t notice the author’s suggestion that she would give one of 2 PF books (separately) as an Xmas gift and that there is a cash gift involved that’s tied to the girl opening a savings account and setting up a monthly deposit. The more she commits to putting away monthly, the larger the gift will be because it’s a (one-time) matching gift. I’d highlight this intention at the beginning of the letter, to make sure the girl notices it and that she doesn’t feel she’s getting shortchanged!
I also agree the letter should be presented *with* the gift of a book (instead of giving one later). Glue an envelope into the book’s cover in such a way that the envelope doesn’t need to be removed to access the letter. That way it has a permanent home and can be kept and treasured forever.
November 21st, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Hello. I’ve been a long time reader to get rich slowly but this particular letter really touched me. I’m not graduating but still studying in college. I’m actually learning how to live on my own. I just want to say a great thanks to you Mrs. Suzanne S. Your goddaughter is really lucky to have you. This comment may seem meaningless to you but I sure hope to write a similar letter to my kids one day.
Thanks again.
November 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pm
For me the thing that made sense was being asked by my priest of all people if I wanted to be rich. That question got my attention. He essentially gave me a very short version of pay yourself first. Hence I agree with the other comments which recommend putting the desire up front. Also you could do it the Army way, tell ‘em what you’re gonna tell ‘em, tell ‘em, tell ‘em what you told them. In other words, you want her to be rich, here are some ways to do it without killing yourself or counting on dumb luck, here’s what I told you in bullet form (intro, body, summary). Finally, this has got to get shorter and to the point, right now it’s a beautifully crafted snooze fest. Maybe women like this kind of thing, but geez, wish me well, make your point, and let me get to the parties! Also, we don’t know what arrangement you have with her or her family (e.g you may have already gifted her with a contribution to her education), but even a token gift would be nice, or, if you want keep the advice the gift, save that line for near the end of the letter to increase the chances that she’ll read it at least once.
November 23rd, 2007 at 1:31 am
Great letter. Don’t worry too much if you have left out this and that. As Godmother, you are showing concern and some lessons that you have learnt the hard way.
Maybe she will take your advise immediately, maybe she won’t. But she’ll never ever forget that you wrote her this letter.
I made my 2 senior girls(graduating in 2008) sign a financial pledge. We did this with some hoo ha at home, with their mother as witness etc.
You have opened a door for your goddaughter, with all good intentions.
I am sure only good will come out of this.
Bless you.
November 23rd, 2007 at 3:20 am
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November 25th, 2007 at 3:31 am
I think it started off a bit like a lecture that would make her eyes glaze over but your point 4 (about not waiting for love) was a very strong point. If you start the letter with that to grab her attention she may be more willing to listen. Also I think saying that you took out a loan to travel with friends, had an amazing time and then it took you 8 months to pay it off kind of makes me want to take out a loan and go traveling, it doesn’t really bring the point across I don’t think.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
My cousin went to a highly-regarded college to get a liberal arts degree. His father, who was very wealthy from a large mail-order business and a large public-sector paycheck, impressed on the son to develop his own income-producing gig, as a liberal arts degree was becoming more common and less profitable.
So my cousin, who had played something like a dozen musical instruments in high school, became a musicial and toured with a band. (He just happened to be performing in a college town the first weekend I was there as a freshman.) The band ultimately broke up and my cousin moved West.
He then developed a craft and acquired a booth at a just-starting “Saturday Market”. His wares were a success and he recruited others to sell his crafts to boutiques around the country. Ultimately they were sold in my college town and I got a fuzzy surprise when I recognized the name on the display in the store window. (As his cousin, I am one of a few people who know the origin of the name.)
Of course, this wisdom was relayed to me somewhat later, but it would have served me well in a timely manner as it did my cousin, and it’s generally excellent advice for anybody.
November 26th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
You should be commended for your concern for your goddaughter’s financial wellbeing, and your thoughtfulness in presenting it to her at this milestone in her life. However, it makes me wonder if a letter is perhaps too one-sided to effectively communicate this kind of information. Might a conversation be better? (Or a conversation first, and a letter as a tangible summary.)
With my own younger sister, I am trying to convey the same information a little at a time. I’m 30, and only got my financial life in order a few years ago. She’s 22 and recently graduated from college. I expressed how I regretted getting started so much later than I could have. I asked her what her plans were, and she said she hadn’t thought about it much. Something along the lines of, “I dunno… I won’t be making much, so just trying to make ends meet.” I urged her to set a limit of 1/3 of take-home income for her rent, and to put 10% into a savings account for emergencies… easy to understand and immediately relevant. I also let her know that forcing herself to live off the rest would be a challenge, but one that would be tremendously rewarding.
Over Thanksgiving, she volunteered that she had opened that savings account, and had a few thousand saved already. (And never got around to opening a credit card account.) I was so proud! She said she was shooting for $5k for an emergency fund, and she should have it early next year. So for Christmas, I’ll get her a book on investing, and we’ll use that as a starting point for what she’ll do after she has established her emergency fund.
This strategy does require regular communication to work. Otherwise, she would get incomplete information. However, it does allow her to ease into the established practices of personal finance. By now, we find these concepts fairly simple and natural, but all at once, they can be a little overwhelming.
Best of luck.
December 1st, 2007 at 4:21 pm
WOW. Awesome words from an obviosuly wise woman…..I hope all the readers take heed!
January 26th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
I’m gonna give this to my son when I grow up.