Money and Security: Fear of the Future Print
Wednesday, 12th December 2007 (by J.D.)This article is about Psychology
This is a guest post from Plonkee Money. Plonkee lives in England, where she writes about personal finance.
A friend of mine has a tendency to be swayed by conspiracy theories, his favorites being The Da Vinci Code and the fictionalization of the Apollo Moon Landings. I was talking to him the other day, and he asked if I knew that money held in savings accounts was loaned out to other people and that banks didn’t have any money of their own. I was unfazed by these revelations.
There is no secret to the way banks work. I actually visited a fascinating museum exhibition on the history of money that explained all these details and more. I told him that, in my honest opinion, it was nothing to worry about.
I am comfortable with the realization that in some sense, modern money isn’t real and it doesn’t exist. Money has no intrinsic value, and isn’t sought for its own sake. Instead money represents other things.
For some people, money represents freedom — money gives them the freedom to do as they please, and not having money (or worse, being in debt) constrains them. For me, money represents security. Having money means being secure; not having money means that at any given moment my whole life could come crashing down.
The extent to which I feel that money represents security isn’t particularly healthy or rational, but it does have some beneficial effects. I have no consumer debt, and I prefer to have a reasonably healthy savings cushion. I pursue these goals not because they are sensible, but because they enable me to sleep at night.
On the other hand, I waste time worrying about money. Worse, spending large sums of money — even on things that I need — makes me extremely uncomfortable.
On the surface, my attitude toward money might seem reasonable, but in reality it isn’t. My weirdness is masked by its very sensible effects.
After all, the best personal finance advice usually involves maintaining a certain level of savings, and avoiding excessive debt or risk that makes you uncomfortable. But I always feel like I’m on the edge of a slippery slope, where the sign is pointing to rack, ruin and the end of my happy little world.
I don’t want to surrender to my money-security fear because deep down, I know it’s irrational. For many people, chronic overspending can be a symptom of an underlying unhappiness unrelated to money. I’m concerned that my own fear of not having enough money is actually a symptom of something else, and that I could be happier than I am. I don’t want to restrict my dreams because I am frightened that the sky will fall in.
J.D. says: If I’d read this five years ago, it wouldn’t have made sense to me. I didn’t share these fears. But with my upcoming transition to full-time writer, I know exactly what Plonkee means. Suddenly I’m worried about the future, too. Is this normal? To what extent are your money habits motivated by fear?

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December 12th, 2007 at 5:21 am
Hopefully people now have ast least a small sense of minimum wage angst.
Can you imagine yourself living in a bedsit?
December 12th, 2007 at 5:21 am
Hopefully people now have at least a small sense of minimum wage angst.
Can you imagine yourself living in a bedsit?
December 12th, 2007 at 5:34 am
It took a lot of courage to write this post. Thanks for posting it.
I think this will resonate with a lot of people. There’s a very close relationship between psychology and money. The way you think about money, feel about money, and behave toward money is one of the primary determinants to how wealthy you become.
Now that you’ve recognized it, there are two responses that I know of. First, you can channel that fear into motivation to keep you moving toward your financial goals. It works, but the downside is, you’ll probably feel afraid for the rest of your life.
Second, you can make a commitment to getting rid of your fear. The personal finance community isn’t very helpful with this. You’ll need to learn about Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP) and probably go through a long period of self-discovery. It will take longer, probably be pretty painful, but it might free you of your fears.
Personally, I prefer the second approach, but it’s by no means superior in regard to personal finance. You can follow either and become very, very wealthy. It’s just a matter of how you want to live.
December 12th, 2007 at 5:38 am
This definitely sounds like me. I’m single and don’t have any burning desire to spend money to aquire ‘things’ that I don’t really need. Over the last year, my mom has been bugging me to redo my kitchen and to get a new car, but both are functional and in good condition and don’t really have anything wrong with them, so why spend the money.
There are primarily two ‘fears’ that keep me on the path of saving a large portion of my income rather than spending. I’m single, and when I do meet that right woman and want to start a family, it seems like there are endless expenses from birth to college that I will have no trouble spending money on.
The second and bigger fear is that of unknown medical expenses. Even with good insurance, it seems as though even a moderate medical problem can have disasterous effects on your finances. Anything that requires an overnight stay in the hospital will come with a big bill.
Because I save so much, it’s nice to know I can go out with friends whenever I feel like it or hit the golf course without having to worry about paying for those things. I just wish I could worry a little less about the potential disasters, and spend a little more time on the good things.
December 12th, 2007 at 5:41 am
When you are dealing with investing - especially when you are new to investing - you are always balancing risk. Fear is what makes risk what it is … if you were never a bit scared about losing your money then you’d never worry about risking your money either.
December 12th, 2007 at 6:02 am
I am very cheap and hate (resent, actually) spending money, wouldn’t that behavior tend to promote wealth?
December 12th, 2007 at 6:18 am
You came into this world with nothing — and you will leave this world with nothing…
It sounds cliche, but you only live once. You should really think about that. I would not wish this upon anyone but, people who have “near death experiences,” or those who discover they only have a few months to live, are those who learn how little money and material things really mean. They seem to live life more fully than the rest of us. They see the value in family, friends, fresh air, and a blade of grass…
I challenge you to create a plan for your life as if you had five years to live… If done correctly and honestly, your perspective will change…
I wish you the best…
December 12th, 2007 at 6:22 am
I have felt this fear from birth until about 6 months ago, when Money magazine ran an article with graphs that showed where people rank in terms of savings based upon age & income.
According to Money, I am in the top 10-20% of savers for both age and income. I take this honor with a grain of salt, as these comparisons are only as good as the people you are being compared against. I think my peers have a long way to go in losing the love of things.
This unbiased data helped me lose my fear that I will eat cat food in old age. I still have a long way to go, and I am not nearly at the level of super savers/super investors like MMND, but I am confident I will get there eventually.
December 12th, 2007 at 7:00 am
Even those of us who know better sometimes fall into the trap of thinking “enough” money will keep us secure.
I respect Plonkee for admitting it.
The truth, of course, is it could all come crashing down - money or no money. So we had better place our faith somewhere besides our bank accounts.
December 12th, 2007 at 7:18 am
Fear. It is nothing but pure fear. I wake up in the middle of the night worried what if…what if….
I keep looking at my account daily and spend at least 30 mins a day checking my daily expenses to make sure I do not go over my budget. I am very concious at every expense and feel a twist in my heart worried what if I loose my job? It is nothing but pure fear!
December 12th, 2007 at 7:32 am
This was an interesting article, and brings up a lot of issues. When it comes to personal finance most people will no doubt conclude their behaviour is motivated by fear. Fear of getting into debt, fear of losing control of your finances. And it probably wasn’t always that way. For me it was the constant realisation that every month I had no money left over after all my outgoings that motivated me to change. But now I am micro-managing my finances. I think about it daily. I am obsessed with how much I’m spending and where I am in my self-imposed budgets. And this takes a lot of time each day.
I identify with Plonkee’s admission that she could be happier. I’m sure I could be happier too. But I also don’t see myself or my behaviours changing any time soon. I am happier than I was before. Maybe that is all that is needed.
December 12th, 2007 at 7:44 am
I think it’s this fear that seperates spenders from savers. I have had customers who distrust banks and FDIC to such an extent that they literally stuff their cash in their freezers and mattresses. I saw a lot of this when I was a teller in December 1999. We actually had a customer withdraw more than $80k in cash - and there was nothing we could do to protect her once she walked out the bank doors.
It’s not crazy to worry about the future, and small amounts of fear are healthy and normal. When you notice that your relationships are deteriorating or you’re exhibiting other characteristics of addiction, then it may be time to re-evalualte and reign it in a bit.
I’m with The Financial Philosopher in that you need to remember that we’re only here for a little while and you should make the most of it. It’s a good thing to have a healthy savings and investment portfolio, but you can’t take it with you when you’re no more for this world.
December 12th, 2007 at 7:45 am
This is a very good post. I have a similar situation only it’s with work. I have a fear of losing my job and what that would do to my financial life. I try to use this fear as motivation to make sure I do everything correctly at work, but sometiime I feel like it actually makes me mess up more.
December 12th, 2007 at 8:05 am
Well it all requires a sense of faith that money is a means to an end and that financially, things will be alright. There were times when I first started working that I didn’t think I’d have enough to make ends meet but I plugged through loyally and things worked out well ultimately.
-Raymond
December 12th, 2007 at 8:08 am
I think a small amount of fear and caution are normal and healthy. But if you find yourself obsessing about spending small amounts of money, or whether or not the Fed will cut interest rates another quarter of a point and how that will affect your holdings… Then it might be going a little too far.
In your final statement, you wrote you don’t want to restrict your dreams beause of fear. Have you defined your dreams? Perhaps your willingness to save and live a frugal life may make it easier for you to reach your dreams?
December 12th, 2007 at 8:23 am
I identified with this post except that I am happy. I don’t mind saving money, and if I want to buy something I do, I just don’t really have the desire to amass STUFF. I am planning a trip to Alaska in 2009, and I will pay for it all as soon as the bill comes in.
There is no way that I could live today as if I had five years to live, because after that 5 years, I’m still alive and then have no money.
I do have a fear of being poor, and it is completely irrational when I think about so many others, but I guess it’s my motivation to keep saving and keep on keepin’ on.
December 12th, 2007 at 8:28 am
When DH and I were living paycheck-to-paycheck, I was anxious and feared for the future, because we both worked in industries that tended to have layoffs regularly. We didn’t take many financial or career risks, even when they were opportunities, because we didn’t have anything to fall back on. And DH got laid off, and my worst fears were temporarily realized. We saw the light, and decided to set up our lives so that we reduced our vulnerability to income and expense changes — saving money, reducing expenses, and investing. Interestingly, once we got beyond the point of living paycheck-to-paycheck, we were more comfortable pursuing opportunities, which then brought in more money.
Fear can be a terrific motivator, if you can use that focus and energy to look around and get some perspective on what choices are available to you. Money isn’t everything, but it’s a tool to give you choices. To a point, it IS security against ruin. However, beyond that, it gives you the opportunity to live your life according to your values and dreams.
December 12th, 2007 at 8:41 am
Plonkee, you have named things lots of people feel, and naming them helps to tame them. As my age and financial security have increased, I have worked hard at not escalating my life style, already perfectly comfortable. What has gone up is my sense of security. I tend to be anxious and beat myself up if I make an error. I also get very wound up traveling, and worrying if I have the departure time right and if I might miss a plane. One of the great luxuries of financial security is, in my opinion, knowing if you make a mistake that costs, you can cover it. I sometimes calm myself down by saying “So what if I miss my plane? It’s just money”. This actually works, and I’ve never missed a plane anyway.
The flip side of this is the cliche that money can’t buy everything. It’s a cliche because it’s true. Money doesn’t take away angst, you can just anesthetize it a bit with stuff.
The fear you describe would probably migrate elsewhere if you had more money, I am guessing.
December 12th, 2007 at 8:43 am
Nice post Plonkee. I thought the part about modern money was interesting because even when we were on the gold standard, or silver depending on your country, money wasn’t “real”. These precious metals trade in their own secondary market where the value is arbitrary. I think the readers of GRS would be the first ones to point out that gold and silver have little intrinsic value, especially in an economic crisis. In the end, our value has always been a socially constructed value, and that value will constantly change. We have to get used to it.
My desire for increased liquidity comes from my unstable income. My desire for more money long term comes from dealing with people in their 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s. Those who have more money (than their lifestyle demands) are not as stressed by it. Their money plans revolve around family, philanthropy, and friends. I want to be free enough to worry about those things rather than my baser desires.
December 12th, 2007 at 8:58 am
Plonkee
Drhands is right- no matter how much we have saved there is still the possibility of ruin. I would suggest hedging against it with an appropriate amount of insurance and then remind yourself that your prudent actions are protecting yourself!
If you constantly live in fear of ruin you are guarantying yourself less happiness! Also, I think ruin seems an unlikely possibility given you already have good money habits!
Ideally we should all act from positive motivations. For example setting sensible goals and taking pride in achieving them knowing you are taking wise actions for your future.
I would suggest planning to give a certain amount to a charity. That has helped me to let go more when it comes to money. I am not where I want to be yet, but that was a good start.
As for minimumwages point- wouldn’t resenting spending tend to promote wealth?
Possibly- you may not spend and accumulate more money, but you may also NOT take the calculated risks you should take. You may not try for a better job- I admit that I’m guilty of that one myself! You may also not invest as aggressively as you should given your age.
Finally, I submit that if you want a rich life- rather than just a life with a lot of money then you need to face and overcome your fears.
December 12th, 2007 at 9:30 am
I am almost 100% driven by fear as well when it comes to money. It certainly has its benefits. I have been so scared of not having a home and not having any money that I save compulsively and even paid off my mortgage. It also has drawbacks- it makes me extremely fearful about cutting off my supply of money even when it’s clearly in my own best interests.
December 12th, 2007 at 10:05 am
I’m not quite THIS bad. I do worry about money, but not incessantly. I am always comforted by the fact that I can “make” up to an extra (20% - taxes) of my paycheck by reducing my 401k.
But I do share the problem with spending large sums. When I decided on my new phone ($250), after a couple months of research, it still took me 2 months to actually go BUY it. I knew I wanted it; I knew I could afford it. I just had issues with spending the money.
Now I’m looking at buying a house. Talk about paralyzing… But, having looked for four or five months now, I’m slowly warming up to the idea.
December 12th, 2007 at 10:48 am
I have always had a healthy fear of poverty. I grew up surrounded by it, living on social security with my mentally ill mother after my father died when I was 12. We were unusual in that we did own a home, but I remember how difficult it was for her to come up with the money for property tax payments.
When I was 16, I left for college and paid for it myself with loans, scholarships, and part-time jobs. Later in life, when I found I was able to earn a good living, I never forgot what it was like to have to juggle bills and fear losing my home. I didn’t live like a pauper, but I never bought on credit and maxed out on my 401(k) contributions from the age of 22 on. I had mortgages on my first few homes, but the last three have been purchased with cash.
I live comfortably but don’t buy the biggest house, or a new car every 3 years. The things most people want to acquire don’t equate to better quality of life.
By saving as much as possible in the early part of my career (and continuing to this day), I was able to transition to working part-time at the age of 43, and will retire in 2 years at 55 with a very comfortable lifetime annual income.
My level of savings places me in the top 2% of Americans, but you wouldn’t know that if you lived next door to me. If I had been living all this time like I only had 5 years to live as “Financial Philosopher” urges, I’d have tons of toys, a huge house with a mortgage, and would be deep in debt and facing up to 50 years of impoverished retirement!
December 12th, 2007 at 10:53 am
I think there are good sides and bad sides to realising I’m really not the only person that feels like this. In my case, I think it’s not helped by my fiercely guarded independence.
@3. Jon Morrow:
I agree completely that it would be better to try and get rid of the fear rather than pander to it.
@14. Money Blue Book:
I think you’re right that perseverance will help. I do try to keep plugging away with savings and investments, and having fun.
@21. Justin:
One of issues I have is not being able to afford to retire, so I’d be very unhappy at reducing my 401(k) equivalent.
December 12th, 2007 at 11:01 am
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December 12th, 2007 at 11:37 am
“I am comfortable with the realization that in some sense, modern money isn’t real and it doesn’t exist. Money has no intrinsic value, and isn’t sought for its own sake.”
I don’t think it’s ever been “real”.
What makes money useful is as something enough people agree on for exchanges to be useful. Instead of having to find someone with hamburger who wants web design, I can get money from someone who wants web design and give money to the person with hamburger.
And yes, money can represent security. So can having canned or frozen food on hand, or clothes, or books. When I out to catch the bus, my backpack contains the following “security” items:
bus schedules (forgetfulness)
inhaler (exercise-induced asthma)
cellphone (can call for help, call to say I’m late, etc)
umbrella (rain)
hat & gloves (cold)
sunblock (sunburn)
a small first aid kit (headache, blisters, accidental nicks from blackberry vines, etc)
full water bottle (thirst)
luna bar (hunger)
book (boredom)
ipod (boredom)
comb (wind)
And yes, I carry cash money, coins, and cards in addition to my bus pass. When a bus misses the stop on the first day of new routes and I’m stuck for an hour, or a bus is re-routed due to a blocking accident, I can call a cab or grab coffee or dinner while planning my next move.
Do I HAVE to carry all that with me? No. Some days I don’t use any of it. But there are days when I do - and I’d rather have them than not!
And yes, I’m using my bus backpack as a microcosm of life…
December 12th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
Good post, plonkee–not rubbish at all.
I feel some of the same things, especially with our job situation the way it is. Not the healthiest attitude, but not immediately paralyzing to either of us, I hope.
P.S. It amuses me that people might have a different idea about how banks (should) work–that they think the banks keep all that money holed up in their vault. I suppose it’s sad that they don’t know, but it’s also an interesting picture of the world. One wonders where they think interest comes from, for example.
December 12th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Cheryl:
I would like to clarify my “live as if you have five years to live” statement since you perceived it precisely opposite of its intention: If we truly understand the value of life, then the value of money is greatly diminished — as it should be…
Personally, I do not know where I “rank” in terms of savings at my age. It does not matter. But, since I understand the value of life and the value of money, I know that I am already “rich” because my idea of “rich” has very little to do with money. If it does to you and that makes you happy, then that is your choice and I completely respect that. Know thy self…
Also, check this out: I’m 38 and already “retired.” How is that? Because I’m already “doing what I want to do,” which is my definition of “retirement.” I own a successful financial planning firm. The only way I was able to accomplish that was to “let go” of my need to “work hard and save money” and be willing to face high levels of debt for a few years… I had to convince myself that money is not a “scarcity,” which I believe is Plonkee’s issue. Money is “abundant.” We simply need to shift our “money paradigm…”
I’m not saying spend all of your money in five years and go into to debt to fulfill your dreams. I’m saying live life to the fullest with no regrets. Be happy and the money will follow. It’s a simple matter of prioritization…
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December 12th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
“And yes, money can represent security…When I [go] out to catch the bus, my backpack contains the following “security” items:
bus schedules (forgetfulness)
inhaler (exercise-induced asthma)
cellphone (can call for help, call to say I?m late, etc)
umbrella (rain)
hat & gloves (cold)
sunblock (sunburn)
a small first aid kit (headache, blisters, accidental nicks from blackberry vines, etc)
full water bottle (thirst)
luna bar (hunger)
book (boredom)
ipod (boredom)
comb (wind)”
_____________
But none of those things in the backpack are going to keep you secure if the bus runs over you.
My point is money can be useful for meeting basic needs, for preparing for unforseen problems, and for acquiring things that smooth off the rough edges of life.
But, ultimately, money can’t buy security. I think making peace with that fact is one of the keys to happiness.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
I think “fear” is a strong word for it. Call it fear, or call it preparation for the unexpected, but whatever you want to call it, it’s the driving force behind the way I use money. I can’t control what I make next year. I can’t control what things will cost next year. I can’t control what will break next and cost me money to fix.
What I CAN control is what I spend today and how much I have left over at the end of every month, and I can predict with reasonable accuracy how quickly the money I save will multiply. So if I’m careful with what I have today, I’m better equipped to handle tomorrow.
This year my wife and I absorbed nearly $5,500 in unexpected expenses without taking on any new debt. I can think of hundreds of other ways we’d have preferred to spend that money, but that’s what emergency funds are for.
I can’t buy protection from every issue, but a big positive balance in a bank account somewhere will protect you from any money-related issue, and at this stage of my life, most issues that come up seem to be related to money one way or another.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
One could actually make the argument that saving “money” is a dangerous thing. What we know as money, be it paper or digital, is nothing more than a construct which represents something else - as noted. What happens if at some point in the future that changes? The whole system is based on faith in the ability to convert money into something else. If that goes away, what are we left with? Nothing. I could thus be argued that investing in things of value is better than just having money.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
A lot has been said already, but I often feel like most of my life is based on fear.
Earlier this year, I started a new job and was constantly in fear that they’d let me go even though I am working my butt off to prove myself. After a couple of reviews I feel more confident but that nagging feeling isn’t completely gone.
I’m in constant fear that my husband will die, or I will die and then the other will be left in a world of hurt in many ways.
I know it’s irrational, and life is meant to be lived, not to constantly obsess about the unknown, but I can’t help it. Or at least I feel like I can’t.
Dang, maybe it’s time to finally look into theraphy? I can finally afford it, but then my savings would be down
December 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Hey plonkee, I think is the best post I’ve read by you, mostly because like some others I recognize some of myself in the subject. Good comments too by Patrick & The Financial Philosopher et al. Great discussion all!
December 12th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Thank you very much guinness416.
I’ve really appreciated everyone’s comments, it seems as if I’ve struck a chord with a few people.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Wow good post.
When I was younger I dont think that I had much fear at all. I could live in a bus and each canned food every night and I did.
But man the moment I had my first kid, who is now two, things changed. Steady job, life insurance, 401k and yes Anxiety.
Funny thing is that I didnt worry when I was younger but I got myself in a lot of debt. I worry now when I am older and I am getting myself out of debt and more financially secure. So fear has been a motivator for me. But I dont like it.
Sometimes I wish young Jack had taken better care of middle aged Jack. Oh well maybe middle aged Jack will take care of old Jack.
Again good post. Can anyone suggest some good reading on the philosophy of money. I read “Your money or your life” and Loved it. I am a DR fan and I am currently reading “All your Worth” from a suggestion on GRS the other day.
December 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
drhands noted that the “security” items in the backpack won’t help if the bus runs over me.
(Of course, in that case, nothing short of a trauma medic with full kit would help - and if I’d had one with me she’d probably ALSO be under the bus!)
I did put “security” in quotes because, really, a lot of that stuff is similar to a security blanket. It makes you feel ready even if has little practical use.
OTOH, Linus’ blanket did keep him warm. And the moleskin did keep my blister from getting worse.
No, there is no security in life. But there is a bit of planning for the probable future (say, property taxes? retirement?) which makes a lot of pratical sense.
December 12th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
True, there’s no security in life.
My parents scrimped and saved and lived like misers all their married life, so they could retire relatively young. And they did that.
My mother died before she was old enough for Medicare.
Sometimes I wonder if all that tight living and hard physical work was worth it. My mother had to do without a lot of things–we lived in an American camp overseas, where most people bought beautiful furniture in Scandinavia and Western Europe and had it shipped in on the company’s dime. Our house was furnished with green-painted metal company furniture, second-hand chairs, and lamps my father made out of old bottles and souvenir brassware. While I wore ugly clothes from Sears to school, my classmates had outfits (and hairdo’s) from Paris. Families took vacations (also partly underwritten by the company) in France, Italy, Africa, and India. We spent our long leaves camped out with relatives in Texas and California.
Because it wasn’t long after WW II and the dollar was very strong, none of those apparent indulgences cost much — matter of fact, they were incredible bargains. But my father wanted to retire early (and I believe he was terrified of facing old age in poverty), and so we did without.
I guess it was probably worth it for him: he lived to 84. But for her, all that penny-pinching was pretty much for naught.
Now I’ll admit the reason I paid off all my debts and started living frugally after I divorced some years ago was — yes! — bag lady syndrome. Indeed I was convinced that one day soon I would find myself living under the Seventh Avenue overpass. However, once I realized I could live quite comfortably within my modest means — in fact, live better than the ex- and I had lived on a six-figure income and 3/4 of a million dollars of debt — I got a lot less scared.
Today, to my mind the whole point seems to be to live modestly and to leave a light footprint on the land. I derive a great deal of pleasure from owning only the things I really need and _truly_ want (not think I want as a passing whim), from being free of debt, from having enough assets to reasonably expect a moderately comfortable retirement, and from having the freedom to buy just about anything I please with cash. It’s all about “when true simplicity is gained.”
December 12th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
I’m very much motivated by the fear. I’ve seen how a lack of money has impacted other people in my life. The results haven’t been good.
December 12th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
I’m considering a job move myself right now, and almost unquestionably any move I make will result in my taking a pay cut. It’s clear my behavior is evidence of my worry, because I haven’t even finished my holiday shopping yet, and it’s typically over by American Thanksgiving!
December 13th, 2007 at 12:48 am
In this country, many states have programs to defer property tax for poor homeowners. The taxes are paid after the homeowner dies and the property is inherited or sold.
So a homeowner living on Social Security usuallt gets to stay in the home without worrying about property taxes.
Not only does a poor renter on Social Security get NO such protection, in most states, prop taxes are higher on rental property than on owner-occ homes of equal value.
Is this a great country or what?
December 13th, 2007 at 5:31 am
There are several ways to look at this. When you are self-employed it does trigger some of your fears about the future, but once you start DOING and less thinking, then you won’t feel that as strongly. It’s a matter of building confidence and trust in yourself.
Secondly, when you are self-employed and you are actually earning money (proof is in the pudding!), it becomes a psychological shift that probably 90% of people on this planet haven’t made yet. It proves to you that you really do create your own reality and that you had a bigger influence in your life than you previously thought when you were at the whim of an employer. You aren’t going to be laid off from being self-employed. You make your deals and decide who to work for or not. You make your own schedule. You become more and more self-sufficient as time goes on. Then, you start to wonder how the heck you ever bothered to work for anyone before. Your choices widen. I actually feel much more secure being self-employed than I ever was working for someone else. Of course, when you have children this can be a bit too thrilling, but if your children are almost all grown (like mine) and on their way to being self-sufficient too, then there isn’t much holding you back - other than fear and a lack of practical knowledge.
Claire
December 13th, 2007 at 7:32 am
Plonkee,
You are not alone in feeling this way. I’ve never been sure if it’s the feeling of loss of options, fear of assumption of debt, or knowing how much effort it took to earn/save the money, but putting out a downpayment for a house or car, or even a large purchase like a refrigerator just depresses the hell out of me.
It doesn’t matter how good the deal is, I think I could have done better and somehow feel ripped off and vulnerable without that extra money to cover the “what ifs” that life might, and has, offered up. I’ve learned to live with that feeling, since rationalization only goes so far and I have to fight to keep from letting the feelings overrule good sense. Over the years I’ve gotten better at winning. For example, at age 17 I argued with a friend in a department store for an hour over the purchase of a clock radio (it was a ten dollar difference for crying out loud). Later I made a smart purchase of my current home for less than the original owners bought it for, and it has now doubled in value (even with the bubble bursting) though ten years later I’m still wincing that we stretched 15K above our price range to purchase it (which I’d set low to begin with, but I just didn’t want to admit it until I had to make a decision). I take solice in knowing that I’m making good choices, based on a plan, and look at the plan to make sure I’m moving (at least most of the time) forward towards an eventual goal of financial freedom.
But on the down days I’ll find myself angry at things like my son needing a root canal not fully covered by my insurance and having to dip into the emergency fund to pay for it. How dare he make me touch that fund? Doesn’t he know it’s for real emergencies, not a damn toothache? I don’t care if it was absessed, he should have sucked it up until I’d put it in the budget and saved for it! A month of pain, infection, and possible death wouldn’t have been too much to ask
Sometimes it helps me to push the feeling to the extreme to realize how dense I’m being.
One day my then 12 year old son asked, “Dad, if we’re in debt, and you’re worried about money all the time, why are in New York City seeing the sites and going to a Broadway play tonight?” After having just dropped $40 on $20 worth of fast food for lunch, I felt like saying, “Because your mother likes to piss away my money on crap I’d never do and uses you kids as leverage to get her way.” Instead I said, “Well, it’s a balancing act. Life isn’t all about paying bills and saving for a future that may or may never come. It’s also about doing things with people you love. We’ve planned this vacation, put money away for it and are using that money smartly. We drove instead of flew. We parked in Staten Island and took a ferry here and use the subway to get places. And we were able to stay at a friend’s flat while they were out of town. So we’re enjoying things as a family in a smart way.”
No need to pass my internal paranoia on to my kid, despite my gut reactions.
I may never feel there is enough money to let me spend without wincing. But I’ve learned to use my mind to overcome my gut feelings, and there are more and more moments when I can let myself just sit back and enjoy the show, or the play, or the damned trip to Disneyworld this spring that we “have” to go because the kids will soon be too old to enjoy it and…sorry, little bit of slip there. Plan it, sweat it, but once your doing it, relax and enjoy it because you are paying for it, and that’s part of what the money is for. Best wishes.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Many emotions and ideas underlie my money habits, but I strongly identify with the concerns of your article nonetheless. I have a distaste for clutter, and I have philosophical issues with those who see shopping as a hobby or as “retail therapy.” I also seek happiness in spending money on activities that mean something to me, or that help me grow: travel, cooking, etc.
However, fear does play a large role in my overall handling of money. My income isn’t exorbitant, but it’s comfortably middle-class. I have pretty good benefits from my job, including good health coverage and a pension that I don’t have to contribute to. I also have job security, so unless something catastrophic happens, I’ll continue to work and get paid.
Nevertheless, though I know I’m in a good position, my concerns about the future underlie my financial habits: I’ve been saving 25-30% of my income each year, and I’m very frugal (I get a sinking feeling in my stomach if I have to spend even $20 on something I need). But I’m very a much a pessimist about the state of affairs in the world: I’m not betting on Social Security at all for my later years, and I wouldn’t be surprised if my state legislators voted to dissolve or water down pensions. In the meantime, though my elderly father is careful with his fixed income, he is not as flush with cash as he thinks he is (he’s not been good at saving, but very good at spending all of his money responsibly and paying his many bills on time). Hence, I can totally relate to the “fear-factor” in money management.
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December 16th, 2007 at 7:21 am
I agree with Financial Philosopher here. Sure, fear is what makes some of us horde money. It’s rational. Anything can happen to you, and the things that happens to you might not kill you so you will still need money while you’re alive and kicking. It’s worse to be living and living in poverty. Fear is healthy to a degree.
However, aversion to spending even on something you need is a worrying sign. It’s a sign that perhaps the fear and the money is ruling your life too much. What is the use of having that money if you just want to keep it? Maybe we’d like to keep it for future generation, that would make a bit more sense. But not spending on something you need just because you don’t want to see your account depleted?
That’s not quality of life at all. Money is supposed to be a tool for one to have a quality life, not the other way round. In many ways, that is still a sign that money rules your life.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Personally, I don’t feel secure without at least some gold and silver because precious metals have a longer history of preserving wealth than any fiat currency and aren’t under the control of a central bank that is institutionally biased towards inflationary policies, but that’s an entirely different topic.
It’s healthy to have a bit of worry about your finances. It keeps you from going wild and splurging it all. The important thing is finding a balance between saving for the future and living in the now. It’s a very difficult problem and I haven’t found that balance myself.
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It’s important to note that there is a bit of an inaccuracy in saying that banks loan out the money you deposit. In reality, they are allowed to create, in the form of loans, 10 times the money that is on deposit. That’s right, they collect interest on money they create. Furthermore, all money that exists is actually created by a loan. It starts from the top at the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve Act grants all banks the power to print money. This is a subtle detail that the “how money works” article you linked to doesn’t mention clearly. So whereas before paper money was backed up by gold, it is now backed up by our trust in the ability of new loan money to pay back old loan money.
But otherwise I should say that this article is an interesting and accurate examination of some of the forces behind money.