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Dave pointed me to the latest column from Ben Stein, in which he writes about market fluctuations and subprime morality. The first half of this article interests me more — it discusses a fundamental principle of investing.
I continue to get questions about whether now is a good time to invest in the stock market. The truth is: nobody knows. In his column, Stein stresses the importance of maintaining a cash reserve. When things get rough — in the stock market, in real estate investments, in everyday life — an emergency fund can help protect your investments.
Assume you have most of your money tied up in the stock market, for example. If something catastrophic happens — you need gall bladder surgery, your car is stolen, you need to bail your kid out of jail — you might be forced to liquidate some of your investments during a market dip, possibly taking a loss. But with a cash reserve you could avoid this.
Stein goes on to remind his readers that the old adage to “buy low, sell high” is always good advice:
Neither now nor any other time that I know of is the time to bail out of stocks. (When I say “stocks,” I mean broad indexes of domestic and foreign stocks, not individual stocks, which I find very dicey and hard to pick at any time.)
Indeed, I’m puzzled when I read that advisors are telling ordinary investors to approach the stock market right now with caution. What can that mean? Does it mean that when stock prices are high, you should approach stocks without caution? Does it mean that when stocks are low, you should avoid them?
As the historical record makes extremely clear…you make the best returns on stocks when they’re down. So the time to buy stocks is when everyone is warning you against them.
Only do it if you can afford the loss of liquidity and a lot of time, though. It’s entirely possible that it will take many months or even a few years for the stock market to calm down about credit jitters. But if history is any predictor, the people who buy and hold in this scary time will be well-paid for their efforts.
I’m always reluctant to give advice about the stock market. I’m a novice. But when people ask me if now is a good time to get into the market (or to get out), I can’t help but thinking this amounts to market timing. Timing the market — trying to guess when it’s hit a high or hit a low — is tempting. But nobody can do it reliably. I believe that your best bet is simply to invest when you have the money to do so. And if the market happens to be low, so much the better.
Update: Let me be clear — the market is still relatively high. There have been some wild swings over the past few months, but these are all pretty meaningless in the long-term. As a whole, the market is up for the year (and flat for the past several months). There hasn’t been a downturn yet. However, many people — including Alan Greenspan — believe the odds of an economic recession are increasing. Any attempt to guess the best time to enter the market is just that: a guess. Baddriver wrote to me via e-mail: “For long term investing by the average person, dollar cost averaging into index funds is by far the best thing to do.” I agree.
[Ben Stein: Market fluctuations and subprime morality]
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December 14th, 2007 at 5:35 am
If you want to be in the stock market and aren’t, take the plunge. It is impossible to time the market, so sooner is always better than later in this case.
Another idea is to put small amounts in over a period of time and let dollar cost averaging work to your advantage. You may buy high, you may buy low, but at least you’re contributing, and hopefully over time your returns will be positive.
Before investing in stocks, an emergency fund is key. You really don’t want to have to remove the money you put into the market for at least 10 years.
December 14th, 2007 at 5:37 am
Our emergency fund was the key to us beginning our investments. Once we had six months of expenses saved we started taking the money we were putting in the emergency fund and putting it into retirement savings. Saving for retirement is like building a house. If you don’t have a good foundation (debt free + six months of expenses) your house has a good chance of falling over when a storm hits (braces, surgery, unemployment, etc.).
December 14th, 2007 at 5:54 am
I forget where I heard this (someone remind me if they know where it originated) but the mindset that I hold for my very small periodic investing is that, unless something fundamentally changed in the underlying investment itself from yesterday to today, then why should I change my behavior? That broad market index fund was just fine yesterday when it was at $X — why is it now suddenly different at $X+1 or $X-1? There will be ups and downs, and no one can predict the future, so I choose to accept that there’s a possibility that my partial ownership in a wide range of securities will, in the long run, end up working out well.
December 14th, 2007 at 6:10 am
It’s always a good time to invest in the stock market! You can never call the bottom or the top and you will only miss out on positive returns by waiting on the sidelines.
The proper question to ask is ‘is this a good time to buy MORE of the market?’. You should have a regular, dollar-cost averaging plan and if you see irrational behavior in the market, that is the time to add more or sell a little (depending on the direction of the irrational behavior).
December 14th, 2007 at 6:54 am
Attention shoppers, shares for many multinational corporations with a good growth rate are on sale! Hurry over to aisle 11 Wall Street while the blue light flashes!
In seriousness, a market ‘dip’ is just as good as any other time to invest in good growth stock mutual funds. No one can predict the market, at least, not those who aren’t already making billions of dollars doing so.
It may be obvious, but: stay AWAY from day trading!! Its highly risky and day traders are typically not making money at it. Don’t take it from me, take it from the Securities and Exchange Commission. http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/daytips.htm
December 14th, 2007 at 6:58 am
Agree with the premise here, any time is a good time. I think especially when you see a downturn like now. Dollar cost averaging will help you sleep better at night.
December 14th, 2007 at 7:54 am
JD: You should write a post about dollar-cost averaging. Spreading the purchase and sale over time in a structured manner largely addresses the concern of market timing. Every successful seasoned investor that I know doesn’t make rash moves based on the daily news. They also largely ignore individual stocks and they are well versed in economics, finance, and world politics in general.
Being good at investing requires a lot of knowledge and experience that most people never acquire. Jumping in-and-out with a large percentage of your portfolio is a rookie mistake. I know a lot of people who think they’re investing, but they are really gambling. And no, I am NOT a financial adviser. I am the CFO for a global company and I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
December 14th, 2007 at 8:43 am
The key is NOT to necessarily have a cash reserve for investment purposes but to have a steady income producing job that will allow you to consistently and continuously invest to take regular advantage of dips so you can average down over time.
-Raymond
December 14th, 2007 at 8:43 am
Unfortunately people get excited and confindent in stocks after they see the market indices moving up for extended periods. The worst time to buy stocks is after such a rally, and best time to buy them is after the market has taken a beating. But people lose confidence in stocks after they have taken a beating. Overcoming human nature is the tough part. Most of us by nature are sheep.
Warren Buffet should be trusted on this:
“Most people get interested in stocks when everyone else is. The time to get interested is when no one else is. You can’t buy what is popular and do well.”
and this as well:
“I will tell you how to become rich. Close the doors. Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful.”
I think that guy has proven that he knows what he’s talking about.
December 14th, 2007 at 9:11 am
As a newbie to the stock market, what about the fears of it crashing within the next few years? All the people retiring and selling their stocks/bonds at the same time frame would cause it to crash, right?
Just worried that the money would have done better in a interest-savings account (ie. HSBC).
Any thoughts or education on this would be appreciated. =)
December 14th, 2007 at 9:18 am
I am concerned at the advice ben stein gives. I was reading him this summer when he said financial stocks were so cheap. I completely disagreed with him, and watched with joy as they proceeded to drop more than 10% in the last few months. I am a cynic, and a contrarian so it’s no surprise that I think the way I do. Just keep in mind there were many people like me saying SELL, SELL, SELL near the internet bubble burst in 2000. I feel we are at a similar precipice. I don’t think people should invest based on what someone like me on the internet says, my point is don’t think everyone is saying sell stocks now. There are still a ton a bulls pumping the market so ben stein’s premise that everyone has turned against the market is completely false.
December 14th, 2007 at 9:40 am
There are a lot of big ideas that are brushed on in the post and the comments: market timing, sector rotation, dollar cost averaging, contrarian theory, diversification, asset allocation, oh and the media’s role in investment advice. You could have easily taken a hard stance on any of these.
JD, with as many subscribers as you have, you are not regulated as an investment adviser, and suits against you generally wouldn’t hold up because you aren’t compensated by the people acting on your advice. Thank you for not being another Suze Orman or Jim Cramer throwing out specific advice to a general population.
One of the reasons I started reading your blog was because you don’t pretend to hold The Answer for everybody. It’s important for people to understand these ideas and learn to apply them to their own life. You sincerely show us your path (even when its painful), but remind us we need to find our own. Thanks
December 14th, 2007 at 9:59 am
@ Victor
The idea that the market will crash because of people retiring is a myth. Stocks are held disproportionately by people with a large amount of assets. These wealthy stock owners will need to only liquidate a very small portion of their holdings (4% at most per year) to support themselves in retirement. Bonds are even more stable because they are held by retirees to generate income and who then ignore small fluctuations in the secondary market of bond prices.
The Baby Boomers are a whole generation of people who range in age from 62 to 42. Their retirements will be staggered over the next 20 years. Many of them are (and will be for a long while yet) in their prime earning and saving years as opposed to withdrawing en mass as your comment would suggest.
Finally, you must remember that Boomer retirements are not a surprise to ANYONE. This theory has been hashed out in news articles and debunked by investment professionals for years and years. What that means is the market price currently reflects any risk this hypothetical sell off may entail. Efficient Markets have long ago included this news into the price of stocks and bonds.
With a time horizon of greater than 10 years it is always best to invest in the stock market. Ignore the conspiracy theories and start buying low cost index funds right now.
December 14th, 2007 at 10:20 am
“Agree with the premise here, any time is a good time. I think especially when you see a downturn like now. Dollar cost averaging will help you sleep better at night.”
Is the Dow higher or lower than it was 6 months ago? Wow, some downturn.
December 14th, 2007 at 10:31 am
Someone ought to ask Ben Stein when he made his major real estate purchases in California. Buy low sell high yeah sure; he must be one of those “do as I say not as I do” kind of guys.
December 14th, 2007 at 10:39 am
Individuals should only place energy on the “determinants of control” (savings rate, investment selection, level of market risk, asset allocation) and completely ignore those determinants beyond our control (short-term market fluctuations).
Studies have shown that the difference in buying at the absolute worst time and buying at the absolute best time has very little impact on an investors average rate of return for periods longer than 20 years. What’s more, those “determinants of control” I mentioned have much more impact…
Put simply, the ideas of dollar-cost averaging, taking advantage of employer match in a 401(k), moderation, and self-awareness will take you much farther than trying to guess your entry point..
“Time IN the market” wins over “timing the market…”
December 14th, 2007 at 10:44 am
>As a newbie to the stock market, what about >the fears of it crashing within the next few >years?
Actually, as long as you aren’t going to need the money for at least 10 years you should pray that the market DOES CRASH! Why? All of the new purchases you make will be much cheaper, and in the end when the market recovers (which it always does eventually) then you will be happy you bought!
As for worries that the baby boomers retiring causing a crash with a massive sell off- I doubt it. If they are prudent investors:
#1 They should have moved most of their investments away from equities and into bonds or other conservative investments already.
#2 If they want to be certain they don’t outlive their $ they should only be selling off ~4%/year for living expenses.
Another point that should be touched on is that you don’t want to invest in just one area, your investments should be diversified- a certain % in stocks/mutual funds (with different amounts in small cap, large cap, foreign and domestic stocks), some in bonds, some in cash, some in real estate (i.e. RETIs). The actual percentages depend on the amount of time you have and your tolerance for risk.
December 14th, 2007 at 11:00 am
It’s definitely difficult to time the market. Just make contributions when you have the money, or have automatic contributions. Because if you try to time it and buy when it’s down, nothing’s guaranteeing that the next day it’ll go up. For all you know it goes further down. If your contribution happens to be when it’s high, oh well. There are other times when it’s low. And even when you DO buy at a high, 5, 10, 30 years from now, that “high” will be a bargain.
That’s just my point of view. I’m not a big investor; I just put some excess cash into index funds when I have them, but this strategy has helped me. Before, I tried timing it, or even buying individual stocks, oh boy, I’m not doing that again!
December 14th, 2007 at 11:22 am
@Victor, if your portfolio is adequately diversified and includes international investments then you should probably be okay for two reasons: 1) you are diversified and 2) because there is projected to be a lot of growth in many developing nations.
And in theory, the transition will happen gradually. Boomers have been starting to cycle their investments from stocks to bonds slowly over the last few years. You don’t cash in all your equities on the day you turn 65, you start adjusting your portfolio over time. And people rarely get to the point where all their money is in bonds. (Even my 89 yo grandfather holds some stocks.) Hopefully the echo boomers will start getting serious about their retirements and start investing in coming years, and start buying the boomer’s stocks.
December 14th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
I remember reading once that the ideal about of cash assets to have on hand should equal about three months’ worth of income. I lost my job two years ago, and without a safety net I’d have been up the creek, as they say.
As far as getting involved in investing, I don’t ever think that it’s a bad time to start. Analyzing the market and looking for upswings and downturns is only as excuse to put off the process for so many. A good investor has a long-term look on things, and in the long-term, regardless of where or when you start, you’re going to finish off ahead.
December 14th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
Dollar cost averaging is not actually the best solution. The best solution, on average, is to invest as early as possible. Because most people get paid in increments over time, the two basically become synonymous. However, if you have a lump sum of money to invest you’re better off investing all of it right away rather than investing a little bit at a time to take advantage of dollar cost averaging.
December 14th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Aleks: Dollar cost averaging does not require assets to sit idle. Money can be immediately put into a low risk investment (i.e. short-term investment grade bond fund or a money market fund). Then choose how you wish to have your assets allocated and set up an automatic and systematic sell and buy into the assets you want to be in for the long run. The time-frame and intervals can be as short or long as you are comfortable with. It makes sure that 100% of your funds don’t end up going in at a peak in the trend.
This is only one example of its application. It is very useful for going from one sector to another or for re-balancing a portfolio. You may not agree with it but since I have begun investing in a systematic, well calculated manner, my risk has gone down and my returns have gone up. I equate large hasty moves with gambling, not investing. Besides, the reason I brought it up is because it relates to market timing risk which is a main concern apparently brought up by JD’s readers.
December 14th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
In one way or another everyone should be investing in equities, otherwise they are likely not keeping up with inflation. For those that are uncomfortable selecting stocks or even mutual funds, they should pick good solid index fund like Vanguard’s S&P index fund. It is good to be reminded of the basics such as “buy low and sell high”.
Best Wishes,
D4L
December 14th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
All this talk about dollar cost averaging makes me think of the post i wrote to explain it. I normally don’t link to my site, but it’s been a well received post.
As for investing in the market now, I think people should first learn more about the market and how it works. It’s always a good idea to understand what you’re investing in. And just picking an index fund to put money in doesn’t really mean you understand what the money is really invested in.
December 14th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Just remember it’s “time IN the market not timING the market” that works long term.
December 14th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
@That Guy,
Actually, Aleks has it right. The theory behind DCAing is that you mitigate risk by diversifying over time as well as over asset classes. However, since the market tends to rise over the long term, it is more likely that the cost of this reduced risk is lower returns.
There have been many academic studies that have refuted the notion that DCAing yields optimal returns. All of them show that a lump sum investment is more likely to yield higher returns. The original study can
be found at here but many other studies have confirmed the findings of the first study.
Real risk mitigation is found in appropriate asset allocation. Effective asset allocation can considerably reduce risk to a level appropriate to an individual’s risk tolerance without the need for ineffective dollar cost averaging. This of course still follows the rule that risk/reward are irrevocably linked. An asset allocation heavy in equities is inevitably higher in risk while offering greater potential returns. This is why asset allocations tend to become more conservative over time as capital preservation take precedence over capital appreciation.
December 14th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Timing the market is pretty much impossible. There are folks who have more success than others, but if you start early and invest regularly, all you have to be is average to do fine.
December 15th, 2007 at 3:50 am
@Fiscal Musings:
I think I disagree. I think it’s probably better to invest in a low cost broad-based index fund and then figure out what you’re trying to do, than to wait until you know how to proceed.
You’ll never be sure you’ve got the perfect allocation, and procrasinating probably costs more money.
December 15th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
While the market is above 13,000 (a figure some people thought was unimaginable just a few years ago) surely isn’t the time to bail. Historically, market volatility has signaled problems and, while it’s not a big banner saying “Recession Headed This Way,” a person who wants to start investing savings in securities might want to make conservative purchases when the market is as volatile is it is now.
The market has slipped off an absurd high. That doesn’t mean we’re in a recession or even headed toward one.
This isn’t a time to NOT buy, but it could be a time to be careful.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
Here’s what the smartest investors of all-time have said about the subject of Market Timing:
* Benjamin Graham, the father of value investing: “If I have noticed anything over these 60 years on Wall Street, it is that people do not succeed in forecasting what’s going to happen to the stock market.”
* Warren Buffett, chairman of Berkshire Hathaway: “We’ve long felt that the only value of stock forecasters is to make fortune tellers look good. Even now, Charlie and I continue to believe that short-term market forecasts are poison and should be kept locked up in a safe place, away from children and also from grown-ups who behave in the market like children.”
* John Templeton, pioneer of global investing and legendary manager of the Templeton Growth Fund: “I never ask if the market is going to go up or down next year. I know there is nobody who can tell me that.”
* Peter Lynch, the best performing mutual fund manager of all time, in his book, “One Up on Wall Street”: “Thousands of experts study overbought indicators, oversold indicators, head-and-shoulder patterns, put-call ratios, the Fed’s policy on money supply, foreign investment, the movement of the constellations through the heavens, and the moss on oak trees, and they can’t predict the markets with any useful consistency, any more than the gizzard squeezers could tell the Roman emperors when the Huns would attack.”