Advice and Tips for First-Time Homebuyers Print
Tuesday, 18th December 2007 (by J.D.)This article is about House and Home
Over at AskMetafilter, somebody recently wrote:
What is the single most valuable piece of advice you received when you were in the process of buying your home?
Among the great advice in this thread are gems such as:
- Don’t go into debt to furnish your home.
- Get pre-qualified for the mortgage so you know how much you can work with…Then only spend 75% of what you’ve been pre-qualified for.
- Buy the worst house on the best street or neighborhood you can afford.
- Explore the neighborhood. Talk to the neighbors. Ask yourself if this is someplace you could live.
- Take your digital camera with you while touring homes.
- The closing date in the contract is meaningless. Don’t schedule movers or break leases, etc. until the official closing date is set.
- “Make a ridiculously low offer, because you can never negotiate downwards…I made the lowest offer I could bear, which saved us about 10% of the cost of the house.”
- “If you are bidding for a house among other potential buyers, write a one-page letter stating why you would really like to buy the house. The seller of my current home said it swayed his decision (we wrote a cover letter about dreams of raising our daughter with a big backyard).”
Kris and I have purchased two homes now. The first time, we purchased directly from the seller. The second time, we rushed into the purchase because we had found our dream home. Neither process was “typical”, but we learned a lot. Our advice includes:
- Make a list of priorities. What’s most important to you? A big yard? Proximity to shops and services? Privacy? A large dining room? Each person wants something different. When looking for our first house, we found it valuable to make a list of the things we were seeking. Without a list, it’s surprisingly easy to forget something important.
- Buy less than you can afford. I used to subscribe to the notion that a person ought to buy as much house possible. If the bank wanted to give me a loan that would take 30% of my income, I was happy to pay that. With the benefit of hindsight, I’d rather have a smaller payment.
- Budget for post-move expenses. There are always unexpected situations that arise. Maybe the water heater needs replaced, or the furnace needs repaired, or the windows are painted shut. In an ideal world, you’d catch all of these things before buying the house. In reality, I don’t know a single person who hasn’t been faced with unexpected problems after moving in. Plan for this, and set aside some money to deal with the unexpected.
- Put down as much as possible. Many people swear by the 20% down rule-of-thumb. It’s true that a large down-payment can reduce monthly payments and eliminate private mortgage insurance, but we didn’t have 20% saved for either of our houses, and we’ve done just fine. Save as much as you can.
- Pay for a high-quality inspector. Don’t just pick somebody from the phone book. Ask your friends, co-workers, and neighbors for recommendations. A top home inspector can save you thousands of dollars, spotting problems you might not have otherwise noticed. What’s more, his inspection report can serve as a home-improvement agenda for years to come. (In the AskMetafilter thread, one commenter suggests taking the inspector out for drinks after he’s looked at your home. I think this is clever.)
- Do as many improvements as possible before you move in. We didn’t do this at our first house, so we lived with minor annoyances for years. In our current home, we did a lot of work before we occupied the house. Don’t tell yourself, “Oh, we’ll paint the walls next year.” You won’t. Do it now.
- Read the paperwork. Read all of it. If you’re buying the home with somebody else (such as a spouse), either tag-team the reading or both read everything. Too many people skip this step. Your mortgage is one of the most important documents you will ever sign. It will control your life for years (up to three decades!). I don’t care how cranky the loan officer or the real estate agents get — read every document, and ask questions if you don’t understand.
- Keep contact with the previous owner, if possible. Not all sellers are open to this, but many are. We maintained contact with the sellers of both our homes, and are glad we did. We were able to get information about the whys and wherefores of particular “improvements”, as well as tips about certain systems in each house. This isn’t a license to be a pest to the former owners; it’s just a way to draw on their knowledge when needed.
- Don’t rush anything.

Everyone who goes through the process of buying a home knows how emotional the process can be. This is the largest purchase most people will ever make, and it’s easy to become a nervous wreck that you’re making a bad decision. The more advice a person can have, the better.
[AskMetafilter: Chunks of homebuying wisdom from The Hive Mind]

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December 18th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
We only spent 1/2 of what we were approved for, and glad we did.
Also, looking at homes on a very rainy day helped us see things that we’d typically not notice.
Very true re: furnishings. We’ve learned that kids don’t appreciate furniture and will draw on the coffee table if it was $20 or $500. They don’t know the difference.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
About reading everything–it might be important to bring along non-messy snacks. Once my blood sugar falls, everything gets fuzzy and I start to panic and want to escape. So if you’ve got a lot to read through, prepare. Ask them for water or bring your own. Take the paperwork home and break it up by giving each other shoulder rubs (if you’re a couple) and having water breaks.
I haven’t had to do it with a mortgage, but these tricks come in handy in lots of areas of life.
December 18th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Cheapest house in the best neighborhood has an important downside - according to studies, your happiness with your material wealth is relative. So if all the Joneses you see every day are ahead of you, you’ll be tempted to spend more, and feel worse about what you have.
December 18th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
I think the last one, “Don’t rush anything.” is the most important, especially in today’s market where the longer you wait, the better deal you’re likely to get.
December 18th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
I wanted to add my own advice, after buying three homes: get a home warranty if you are buying an older home or a home with older appliances/fixtures. We recently bought a 1940 home that apparently hasn’t had anything done to it since 1980. We also paid for a $415 home warranty through HSA Home Warranty (I recommend them, but I don’t represent them.)
So far our garbage disposal’s seal broke beyond repair ($190 for a new unit,) our 1980 dishwasher began an off-and-on-again strike($500 to replace it because the timing part no longer exists,) and the main drainage pipe from the kitchen was clogged with 70 years worth of gunk ($180 to unclog it.) They covered every single one of those items, saving us $870 (or $455 after paying for the warranty.) We still have 6 months left on the warranty!
For new homeowners, this service is especially helpful as the owners familiarize themselves with regular home maintenance. And it protects the buyer against any dishonesty on the sellers’ part as far as the working condition of home systems.
December 18th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
I don’t understand this notion of caring what your buyers will do with the house or what kind of people they are. You’re selling, you’re done with the house. If you cared what was done with the house, you wouldn’t be selling it. Do you not realize that you’re giving up control of your home? Do you have a problem with this? Is it that important? If so, maybe you shouldn’t be selling.
It makes me think of caring what happens to your remains after you die. Why do you care? You’ll be dead. Assuming you have a post-mortem consciousness, why would you care what happens to that old corporeal thing?
December 18th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Great advice.
Regarding the letter to the current owners - probably doesn’t hurt but as a former seller I can tell you it would have been a waste of time with me. Most sellers just want the top dollar/most secure offer.
If you have kids or are planning kids - don’t go overboard on the perfectly renovated house because they will wreck it!
Mike
December 18th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
K, I’m not sure there’s any real value as a seller to keep tabs on the buyer. However, as a buyer, it can often be good to have a seller who’s willing to chat from time-to-time. Sure, the seller may have no further interest in the house (though in our case, since the guy was raised here and the house was in the family for 50 years, he does like to see the changes), but the new owner can sometimes get valuable info about what happened in the past. If it’s all done in a friendly way, it’s a good thing.
December 18th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
My realtor gave me a good piece of advice: Think about what you want to remodel/change, but don’t actually do it for a year. This gives you a better sense of what the priorities are. You might really want to remodel the master bathroom, but find out that the money would be better spent redoing the insulation first.
You’ll see the ugly bathroom right away, but you might not be aware that the insulation needs to be updated until you make it through the first winter.
Apparently alot of people in my market rush in to remodeling stuff and get overwhelmed with the changes and go overboard on expenses to make every little thing perfect.
December 18th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
This is a great post. Once my job situation settles I’d like to buy a house, so I think it’s really pertinent here. Of course, I need more for a down payment than I have right now, but that can be worked on…
December 18th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
My goodness that’s a gorgeous house. The yard looks lovely too.
December 18th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Mortgages were touched on, but not much was said other than “don’t borrow more than you can afford”. Well what can you afford? Here’s a really strong hint:
Never get a mortgage with a payment larger than 25% of monthly take home (after tax) pay on a 15 year fixed rate conventional mortgage. This probably means saving a sizable down payment, which is GOOD. The more you pay up front, the more equity you have from the beginning, without having to wait!
If the mortgage loan officer is not able to explain things to you in a way that YOU understand, fire them and find someone else. There’s PLENTY of people willing to sign you up for a mortgage. Also, find a mortgage company that will do manual underwriting. They’ll look at all the factors of your financial picture, rather than just your FICO score.
December 18th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Be careful about keeping in contact with the former owners. The house we bought was sold by one daughter without the complete knowledge of the other. She started calling and leaving weird messages the day after we closed wanting to take things from the property from fixtures to digging up the garden - which is most of the backyard. Owners who are just curious about updates can give you wonderful advice. People with to much attachment to the property can be worrisome.
December 18th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
I, too, have to disagree with the “keeping in contact with the seller” bit. The woman we bought our house from was a total loon. I made the mistake of making direct contact with her prior to the sale to discuss various items, including attempting to negotiate a few pieces of furniture with the sale. It was unbearable.
After closing, there were still some items on the fix-it list that hadn’t been taken care of, so she sent her son over (who had done some of the fixes pre-sale), who is also a general contractor. He started telling me that the family had tried to convince her to sell the house for 20% more than what we’d paid. Not a conversation I wanted to get into. I also noticed a large number of empty beer bottles strewn across the bed of his work truck - I made sure the work got done and didn’t encourage him to stick around longer than needed.
This woman also thought that it was odd that we wanted her to clear out the 4 cubic yards of junk that she left behind in the basement.
December 18th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
We bought our house for far below the price we could qualify for. We based our decision on what we could afford on one income. I have never regretted that decision. I like living on a block where most of the homes are
far from fancy. I never feel like I need to keep up with the Joneses.
December 18th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
The next best thing to keeping in touch with the previous owner is to get to know all the long-term neighbors really well. If you are in a subdivision (house #1 was in a neighborhood of identical 1948 tract houses), they can tell you all kinds of things about how your house was put together and what’s been done or happened to it since. Our house was between two original owners.
Regarding reading all the paperwork: I’m a lawyer’s daughter, and compulsively read every document I sign. However, expect at the closing that all that reading will make the pros involved nervous, because NOBODY reads what they’re signing, and you’re throwing their schedule off. (Tough noogies, I say!)
Definitely think twice before borrowing every last penny the bank is willing to lend you. It sucks to have a nice house that you can’t get a good night’s sleep in.
December 18th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Nice House! I love how home prices are so different. Our little place on the Potomac has about 1/10th the yard and probably 1/3 the space, but will be 3 times as expensive!
December 18th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
1. The previous owners left two large, stamped envelopes with their new address on them for any mail that needed to be forwarded. Since I didn’t have to pay for it, I gladly sent their mail to them.
2. Location, location, location. I like that I live near the highway, in a good school district (if I ever have kids), and it’s not far from several grocery stores. It’s nice when I’m snowed in and can walk to get food. I travel quite often, so it’s very convenient to be near several different highways. Plus..directions are easy to give from anywhere.
3. Don’t refinance unless you can get 3 percentage points lower than your current rate. I bought my house during the Bush/Gore fiasco and I was scared that the rates would start increasing, so I bought in at 7.75% for 30 years. A few years later, the rates were lower, and I refinanced for 4.75% for 15 years and my payment was only 20 dollars more per payment(I pay my mortgage biweekly). I have to thank my dad for that tip because my house is almost paid off.
4. Someone else said it, but make sure you have extra money to buy curtains, a bed, a trash can, a couch/chair, and some laundry detergent. Don’t spend all your money on your house or you’ll be in trouble the day after you move in.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
I second a good home inspection, it left us with a very detailed to-do list and led us to get a home warranty on a 25 year old house with mostly original stuff. I’m glad we did, as we got a new heat pump, air handler (the inside heat pump part), and hot water heater for maybe $600 worth of premiums and deductibles.
A quick warning about home warranties: If they have to replace the item, they will use the bottom rung most energy inefficient unit they have. I wish I had asked the technician if I could be credited what the cheapo unit was worth and have them install a nicer unit and cover the difference. Even still, an inefficient model today is probably better than even a very good 20 year old anything. That’s what I’m going to tell myself at least.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
The next best thing to keeping in touch with the previous owner is to get to know all the long-term neighbors really well.
Yes, this is excellent as well. Sometimes the neighbors can tell you things that the previous owners won’t. I’m actually glad to be getting info from both sources.
As for those who are worried about keeping in touch with the sellers — don’t do it if it bothers you. In both our purchases, we had a lot of contact with the previous owners and felt comfortable maintaining contact. I can certainly envision scenarios in which this would be a bad idea…
December 18th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
The National Association of Realtors say that the average family sells their house and moves every six years. Instead of selling your house, I think you should rent out your old house when you buy the new one. That way, over the course of time, you generate twice the equity, and you have the security of rental income into retirement.
I recommend that when you buy your first house, you should think about it’s future rental potential. Consider how good the house construction and location would serve you later as a rental property.
December 18th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
“Never get a mortgage with a payment larger than 25% of monthly take home (after tax) pay on a 15 year fixed rate conventional mortgage.”
Yikes. Here in Vancouver, that would mean a couple earning $200k a year would only qualify to buy a small 2BR condo. $500k on a 15-year mortgage is around $4200 a month. However, if you add condo fees, they’ll have to consider a 1BR or else violate the rule.
December 19th, 2007 at 12:28 am
Worst house in the best neighborhood is reasonable for those with children looking for a good school district, but is always a bad investment because they are overbid for. Not only that, but bad care for seen items generally mean even worse care for unseen ones. Otherwise it is much better to buy improvements at less than cost than be faced with making them yourself.
December 19th, 2007 at 3:03 am
Please tell me that isn’t your house in the picture. I don’t think I could live with the jealousy.
I fell in love with my house when I saw it, which is what I wanted to do. Fortunately, I’d already filtered out the ones I couldn’t afford or with major location problems. It needs complete redecorating (amongst other things) and I did one room (out of 6) before I moved in - I think that room has pretty much saved my sanity.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:29 am
I would add:
(1) Ask to get your paperwork a few days in advance of closing so you can read it with out people staring at you.
(2) I would also advise hiring an attorney to assist advise if you have never been through the house buying process before.
(3) I would also vote for doing your own escrow for taxes and insurance why give the bank a interest free loan?
December 19th, 2007 at 5:29 am
Similar to Sandy Fleming: We bought a house that was about 1/2 of what the bank said we could “afford” - we want to still afford our mortgage payment even once there is a stay-at-home spouse and kids.
Our choice came down to a house in three different towns; we ended up picking the house in the best neighborhood, but it was the most run-down of the three. We figure that we can always spend money to improve the house, but we can’t improve our neighbors and local schools.
I agree about waiting one year on renovations - when we moved in, we were going to redo the master bathroom (it’s functional but hideous); we’ve realized that we can just repaint it and focus our efforts on necessary repairs instead.
And DEFINITELY get an attorney to help you out with the paperwork. He’ll be able to solve problems you didn’t know existed.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:50 am
Few things:
Negotiate the mortgage and shop around. Get the print out of your credit scores from the first place you visit. Each place will want to run a credit score, discourage this and show them the print out. You can have your credit score pulled around 4 times by mortgage companies but having the print out means you can shop around more. Get a signed good faith estimate from everyone you visit. Share the lowest good faith estimates with the other companies you visit and they will usually try to beat that number. By visiting more mortgage places you gain familiarity with the products and potential discount programs.
Read all papers, mortgage companies have been known to fudge your numbers.
If you are building beware of giveaways and free offers. Many companies are giving away free sun rooms, bonus rooms and basements. These maybe free now but the tax man sees that a basement adds $20,000 of taxable value to your house which can be over $100 extra a month.
Always know more than you lead on. This way you know if you are being lied to or mislead. If you are being lied to or mislead be blunt about it. Say “I believe you are misleading me, you said XYZ but ZYX is true.” This will reduce the confidence of the mortgage sale and may help reduce the cost of the mortgage, assuming you don’t mind dealing with a company who just mislead you.
Get all the numbers. To many folks are getting half mortgages which don’t include HOA fees, insurance, taxes, etc in the monthly bill. They are then surprised when big bills come rolling in 6 months after buying their house.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:06 am
I don’t know that staying in touch with the seller is a good thing.
The lady we bought our house from is still friends with all of our neighbors, so she’s still “around” a lot. She once walked into our open, attached garage, opened the door to the house (without knocking, presumably because she saw me working on the nearby 1/2 bath through the uncovered window), and announced, “I was going to get around to redoing that bathroom, too.” Thanks, lady. You left us with a pink toilet and 1970s metallic wallpaper. I’m glad you were going to “get around to it.” And thanks for walking into MY house without knocking.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:12 am
The BEST “non-financial” advice is to practice signing your name 500,000 times before going to the closing. Believe me, your signature deteriorates significantly as the number of times you sign goes up!
If you are building, keep in mind that taxes are paid in arrears. That means for the first year, you are paying taxes on an unimproved piece of property. Year two can be a big surprise when it comes to your property taxes. It took three full years for our tax bill to be correct.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:22 am
I had almost the same experience as Mike. One day after closing as we were working on some things before moving in, one of the neighbors who was a friend of the previous owner just walked right into the house, calling out to her. She thought she was still there cleaning things out.
I was a bit surprised - no familiar cars in the driveway and the For Sale sign was gone, one would think she’d arrive at the conclusion that the previous owner was gone.
Haven’t seen her since.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:50 am
I would agree that you do not want the best house on the street, but the cheapest? The problem with going too low when buying a house is that you will be looking for one soon in the next five years. Then you will be paying more on closing costs each time you move. I say stretch a little in the beginning so you can be happy and stay in the same house for many years especially now with the low rates.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:55 am
As a buyer, you will be in a stronger negotiating position if your closing date is flexible. Sellers are either in a hurry to leave or are in the need to find another home (which can take time) or both. If you’re a renter, pre-qualified, and ready to close at the seller’s discretion, that is worth up to 10% of the selling price (or more, if the seller is in a hurry).
If you already own a home and need to sell before buying, consider selling your home and renting while you look for the new one. Consider it an “adventure.” The stress of “moving twice” will be outweighed by the freedom in finding and closing on that dream home…
December 19th, 2007 at 7:10 am
Can somebody actually explain the logic behind “buy the worst house on the best street”? I’m sure there’s a reason for this old cliche, but I don’t know what it is. Kris and I actually did the opposite: out current house is the best house on the worst street. Was this a bad thing to do?
December 19th, 2007 at 7:21 am
If you are buying a new house, try not to have carpets or appliances go on the mortgage. It is easy, but why pay for 30 years on carpet that will be gone in 7 and appliances that will only last 15?
If you are short on cash, live with Craig’slist appliances until you do the big upgrade.
And remember, fashion’s change: today’s stainless steel is yesterday’s Harvest Gold.
December 19th, 2007 at 7:26 am
Here’s another: Before you agree to buy the house, visit the neighborhood at several different times of day and week. Don’t rely on what the place looks and sounds like just during a weekday, for example–on the weekend the five adults who live across the street will have their cars parked all over the front yard, something you might not spot on Tuesday morning.
Get out of your car and walk around the area during the daytime and also during rush hour (how much traffic noise pummels you at 8:00 a.m. or 5:00 p.m.?), and watch to see how much airplane traffic flies overhead during the times of day the nearest airport is busy. If there’s a low-rent district nearby, does it attract frequent cop helicopter buzz-overs?
And as a matter of fact, it’s a good idea to check local crime statistics, often posted online. Failing that, call the local precinct and ask about crime rates in the area. A lovely neighborhood may be flanked by a blighted area, some of whose residents may be in the habit of preying on the lovely neighborhood. In our area, for example, one of the toniest districts in the city is within a mile or two of a gang-infested slum. Those of us who live in the middle-class buffer zone can set our clocks by the 11:00 p.m. cop flyover.
December 19th, 2007 at 7:35 am
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December 19th, 2007 at 7:42 am
Two of your suggestions are very practical and I have found them useful in my first house:
1. Fix things before you move in. We did a LOT of this, including a basic overhaul of the kitchen (which was AWFUL, but which helped us get the house at a great price). We were able to hire a friend who is great at his job, and he did almost all the work before we ever moved in.
2. Don’t rush anything. GREAT tip. It’s easy, when the blood is pumping because of “the deal,” but us guys to really rush certain steps of the process. It’s worth remembering that the tortoise beat the hare! Taking your time will really help you find the right house and notice “little” things in the house and the paperwork that could not be so little!
Thanks for another good article.
December 19th, 2007 at 7:52 am
JD, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with buying the best house on the worst street. The whole notion of buying the “worst house on the best street” is so that you’ll be able to make a killing on the sale of the house once you renovate it. Sure, that might work for flippers (although there aren’t too many successful flippers around today!) but it’s useless (and possibly rather expensive since renos can get out of hand) for someone that plans to stay put in the house for a long time.
As another poster mentioned above, buying the cheapest house in the best neighoubourhood can be an expensive proposition. Remember, you have chosen your Jones’s. If you can barely scrape by in a great neighbourhod because you bought the cheapest house on the block, you’ll likely always feel like everyone’s better off than you and if you have children, they’ll likely be friends with kids whose parents have more money to spend on them!
December 19th, 2007 at 7:55 am
I haven’t read the threads yet, so sorry if this is repetitive.
Make sure that if you buy a new home, that you put more into escrow the first few years. If you receive a refund at the end of the year, DON’T SPEND IT! Put it back into savings. The first year the taxes are based on the appraisal of the “lot and construction”. Once the house gets reappraised, you’re looking at paying out more $$. I’ve had several friends have this happen to them. They spent the refund and suffered the consequences later.
Also, we bought at the end of November, apparently this is when builders fiscal years end, so they were VERY anxious to clear their inventory. We ended up getting $27k of incentives ($17k towards off the pricipal, $10k towards closing costs) and a FABULOUS fixed interest rate (because of the current market) because of this.
I’m also a big believer in the “don’t kill yourself to furnish the home”. I’m an entertainer, so this has been a hard one for me to accept. But I’m paying off debt right now instead of adding to it, so to me that outweighs the other as far as personal satisfaction!
Last one - can you tell I’ve recently made my first home purchase?? - we were told that making one extra payment on your mortgage every year will help out tremendously. We are trying to budget this in for the upcoming year.
December 19th, 2007 at 8:37 am
You forgot to add get a 15 year mortage, if you plan to live there indefinitly
December 19th, 2007 at 9:12 am
Unfortunately we paid 0 down. We have lived in our house for 4 years but taxes keep going up and I’m wondering how much longer we can keep paying the mortgage. We also have a baby on the way.
Fortunately we got a 5.3% fixed mortgage so we don’t have to worry about a reset. We paid 20% less than what we were qualified for but we do pay PMI. Any advice on how to get rid of PMI if we aren’t quite at 20% equity?
December 19th, 2007 at 9:39 am
You were right on the nail about giving a low ball bid. What developers, Real Estate Agents, and even Car Salesmen love to do is have you negotiate against yourself. If they don’t like the price, they will always counter.
December 19th, 2007 at 9:47 am
Great thread.
I will offer a counterpoint to Willie’s comment in #31: I say stretch a little in the beginning so you can be happy and stay in the same house for many years especially now with the low rates.
My opinion: aim small. GRS readers know that lifestyle inflation is Enemy #1 to financial security. Purchase of a house is the biggest expense most people ever undertake. If you’re going to lock yourself into a situation for years on end, don’t overreach. This is not only true about the financial numbers, but about the space as well.
Unless you have seven people living under one roof, you do NOT need 3000 square feet. Americans have a Supersized image of how much space people “need”. People can (and do) live very happily with much less.
Bigger houses cost more to heat and cool and take more time to clean. They also take a LOT more money to furnish, maintain, and remodel.
Also, having a huge house means that it’s tempting to fill it up with more and more STUFF, which is another hit to the pocketbook.
The best thing that ever happened to me when we bought our first house was reading a book called Home: A Short History of an Idea by Witold Rybczynski. Fascinating book in general, but the historical overview of living situations in Western culture was really eye-opening. My takeaway message is that pretty much any living situation in the US, where we have electricity and heat and hot & cold running water–and even the barest notion of privacy or personal space– is positively palatial, in the broader scheme of human existence. Any time I started to feel sorry for myself because of our tiny place, I thought back to the lessons of that book and it renewed my sense of gratitude.
December 19th, 2007 at 10:31 am
The size of the house you buy depends on how you visualize using the house. If you see it as only a place to live in, and you don’t mind paying off the mortgage payments from your regular job, that’s OK and that’s how most people view it.
But, you can also see your house as an investment. If you buy a larger house, and you need extra money, you have the option of renting out an extra room to generate more income.
If your lot is larger, you may have the option to build a second house on the lot as a rental to generate more income.
There may be more opportunities the longer you think about it. Examine all the possiblilites and buy a house that gives you the most options.
December 19th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Angie,
The house I am building is not 3000 square feet, it is in the low 2000 square feet. When you have 2 children and another one comes along to make 3, you kind of out grow your old place.
You also need to have goals and have some things in life that give you pleasure. If a nice house is one then I say go for it. There are many other ways to save and skimp in life. Also keeping the wife happy is job #1.
December 19th, 2007 at 11:00 am
The idea behind “not the best” house on the best street is that any further improvements you make will give you more bang for the buck in terms of home equity/resale value.
December 19th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
I bought one of the worst houses on the street and I think I pay amongst the lowest property taxes in the city. When we renovate slowly without permit (within the law of course), our house will become comfortable, warm (with insulation), and clean (new flooring). Yet we will still pay less on property tax than most. It has not been outside my thinking for sure.
December 19th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
everyone keeps saying the idea behind the “worst house on the best street” is in regards to financial ROI. When I hear that saying I am think you are better off as a person to live in a great neighborhood, with better schools, safer environment and nice people but in a smaller worn down house, than you are living in a mansion in a neighborhood with high crime rates, and a piss poor school system.
its about paying for good quality of life rather than a material possession. You can fix a material possession over time but you cant really change your neighbors and society around you.
I wont be buying a house for another decade (and even then it will be an apartment) so I will be looking for something decent in a nice building in a good area. That is what I rent now. A small 1 bedroom in a great building, 5 minutes from work. I could get much bigger for less expense but would be 45minutes to an hour from work an not in a nice area. I am paying for quality of life, not an apartment.
December 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Renting rooms out: This is so counter to everything I would consider “home” that I cannot for the life of me imagining buying a bigger place than I could comfortably afford with the notion that I would eventually be inviting strangers–and often, noisy, messy, psycho strangers–to come live with me.
The notion of not buying the best house in the neighborhood is based on the idea that you’re buying not only a home but the neighborhood as well. That is why a cute but small cottage in a great neighborhood can be worth far more than an imposing old craftsman in a crappy neighborhood.
If you buy a “remuddled” house with potential on a street where the rest of the houses are lovely you not only benefit from your efforts but you will eventually benefit from those already made by your neighbors. Conversely, by being the class act on the street, this collateral equity is flowing from your house to your neighbor’s houses instead of the other way around.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
Willie, I hear what you’re saying about outgrowing a house–but I still say, you’re practically drowning in space there.
Baby #2 started to crowd us in that 700 square foot house. Our current space is twice that big…but we only live in 800 of those square feet. The kids share a room with a bunk bed (now that’s old school) and, gasp, we all share one 5 foot by 8 foot bathroom. Positively archaic!
Tipping my hat to Roger, our basement is rented out to a terrific guy. He was a friend of friends, so not totally random, and has turned into a great friend of ours. More than once I’ve been thankful that there’s another friendly, capable adult in the household. So, renting has worked out for us.
Bringing it around to Getting Rich Slowly, living small allowed us to buy house #2 while keeping and renting out house #1. Our housemate’s rent takes a big bite out of our new mortgage, too. Our hope is to buy our next small house in a few more years and rent out this one. If that doesn’t work out, we can expand into our basement when the girls are teens.
If we did occupy the entire house…4 people at 1400 sf is 350 sf/person. Willie, at that rate I say you could fit two more people (for a total of 7, if my math is right!) in that low-2000s house. Just sayin’.
I will concede that keeping the wife happy should in fact be #1. Some people just luck out and have frugalista wives!
December 19th, 2007 at 6:44 pm
Seconding Vh’s comment, our favorite strategy was to go to each neighborhood at night, park our car in front of the designated house or near it, and roll the windows down. We listened to the neighborhood and determined whether we felt comfortable or got that “lets get outta here!” sensation.
Granted, this was L.A., but I think it applies in a lot of places these days…
December 20th, 2007 at 6:18 am
Angie,
All the power to you, if it works for you and you are happy great. I agree with Roger and in no way would want strangers, friends of friends living in my familys home. I have at least one story to tell that did not turn out so well for the home owners.
I could easily live in a smaller house but I have to be truthful, I am looking forward going from a 1 1/2 car garage to a 3 car garage so I can park indoors in the Minnesota winter. A simple pleasure in life.
December 20th, 2007 at 7:56 am
We have 3 people in about 960sqft with 3 20-24 lb dogs. We think space is fine. Granted, the boyfriend walks to work on some of his spare time to “get away from it all” and think in solitude
We use space sort of differently. Our back porch will be used more. Part of the garage will be used as living space. We will build a well insulated and heated shed for work space to make things like cabinets and store lumber for the house renovation.
The lot is small (50×100) but we intend on using the lot in a very careful way. In addition, from the top story, you can see the neighbor’s back yards. One is like a wilderness area smack dab in the middle of town. So I tend to “borrow” my neighbor’s view and enjoy his land.
There are lots of ways you can expand and make use of space. The British and Japanese do it all the time.
So when I go to clean the house, reroof, insulate, put up drywall - it always seems to go faster than those bigger homes. Granted we have 7 foot ceilings to boot
December 20th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Good advice. A couple of things.
When buying the “worst house in the neighborhood”, it is important to know why it is the worst. Is it because the walls are bad, the roof is about to collapse, etc. or is it simply because it has an old kitchen? Some things make the purchase worth it, others don’t. My friend was able to buy a house much cheaper than the one next door because the house she choose had virtually no backyard. She was still single and she didn’t care - less grass to cut, so for her it was great. For someone else it may not have been.
The advice of offering a ridiculously low price works in a buyer market like today or on properties which have been on the market for a while. It doesn’t work in a seller/rising market like the one we had in early 2000s. For example, in the early 2000s at least in our neighborhood the properties were sold within a week of listing, sometimes above asking price. A lot of people gave 5% above asking price offers only to be outbid by someone else.
In 2003 (or 2002, don’t remember exactly) I was selling a one bedroom condo I had been renting out, by owner. The condo was in a very thought-after complex in town with no other units for sale at the moment. I based my asking price on what similar units were sold for only a couple of weeks previously - 215K. Should’ve asked for more, in hindsight, to allow for rising market. Within a few days I had a full asking price offer. While I was still considering this offer (another person offered above, but backed out), a real estate agent called me and asked if she could bring customers. I told her I’d already had an offer but hadn’t accepted it yet; also that any offer I get through her should be higher to cover her fees. She brought an olderly couple, then called and gave their offer - 200K. In normal market this might’ve been reasonable, but this was a hot seller market with my asking price being close to what the previous unit sold for, so I felt it was ridiculous and told her that my other offer is much higher and that I am accepting it. So by offering too low a price, this couple lost the property they wanted. My unit was ideal for them: it had a first floor entrance with almost no steps but because it was on the incline once you were inside you were on the second floor. There were only a couple of units like this in the complex. At any rate, the asking prices went up (and up) since then. Even now these units sell for a lot more than what I sold it for (300K - how I wish I waited a couple more years, but I thought the prices were already ridiculous…). So this low offer really cost this couple a bundle. I kind of felt sorry for them, but not enough to sacrifice that much money.
The moral is: 1) know the market when considering your offer 2) use the agent, but don’t ignore properties listed “by owner”; otherwise your agent will bring you to the same place that you could find yourself, but you’ll be at a disadvantage compared to people who just answered the ad.
December 20th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Great advice. I’m looking at buying my home in the next two years (hoping to have one by age 25 with at least a 25% down payment!)
December 21st, 2007 at 3:20 am
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December 21st, 2007 at 5:40 am
If you buy the worst house on the best street, you are essentially paying less than your neighbors for a good location. Your property value is also affected by your neighbors, and you want to bring it up, not down.
But if location is not as important and you want a nice house, you should buy the best house on the worst street, and you are paying “the same” as your neighbors for a nicer place.
It depends on how you look at it and what your priorities are.
One piece of advice I have is to ask if you can put your car in the garage before you buy. We were shocked to find that ours didn’t fit.
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