I write a lot about personal finance, but how well do I practice what I preach? For the most part, I follow my own advice. Much of what I write here is based on personal experience. But my financial life is not without weaknesses. Last January, I tallied my discretionary spending to see exactly how much these weaknesses cost me. This year, I’ve done the same.
Looking at the Big Picture, 2007 was an amazing year for me financially. I not only increased my income, but also severely reduced my expenses. Last year I spent half of what I spent in 2006. It was my lowest annual spending since 2002. With such a tremendous positive cash flow, I was finally able to get rid of my non-mortgage debt.
Although the Big Picture was rosy, it was not without flaws. I’m still spending plenty (perhaps too much?) on certain aspects of my life. Most of these will come as no surprise to regular readers. Here are my biggest sources of discretionary spending:
- Books (2005: $1049.91, 2006: $692.96, 2007: $702.73)
- My book spending is down significantly from five years ago. I used to spend $200/month on books. Now I’m spending about $50/month, and even this number is inflated. Many of the books I purchased in 2007 were personal finance and self-development titles. Though I now realize these are a legitimate business expense, I often forget to use business money to buy them. Just last week I bought $80 worth of personal finance books with money from my regular checking account. My spending for non-business books is very low right now. My secret? Used book stores and the public library!
- Comic Books (2005: $2810.52, 2006: $3202.91, 2007: $897.08)
- Will you look at that? Although I use comics as a prop for laughs here at Get Rich Slowly, I’ve genuinely struggled with my spending on them in the past. I seem to have overcome this. Last year, I only spent $900 on comics, and $525 of that came during the first three months of the year. Since October, I’ve only spent $100 on comics, which is half of what I’d budgeted. This is a huge personal victory.
- Entertainment (2005: $479.31, 2006: $610.55, 2007: $1175.25)
- This number ballooned last year despite reduced spending on CDs, DVDs, and movies. I went through a bowling phase early in the year; Kris and I attended the opera; I bought some concert tickets (The Black Angels and my favorite band, The Decemberists, who play in Portland tomorrow night). But the real culprit was my Nintendo Wii. I’ve only purchased a few games so far, but “a few games” add up. This gives me additional incentive to keep my video game spending low.
- Food (2005: $5290.06, 2006: $5060.04, 2007: $4108.55)
- which includes Dining out (2005: $1648.63, 2006: $2018.81, 2007: $2051.93)
Kris and I worked hard to reduce our grocery bill last year, often putting to use the techniques I describe at Get Rich Slowly. We know that we spend a lot of money on food, especially for a two-person household, but we’re trying to improve. We actually dined out less last year than in 2006, but we were undone by our new favorite restaurant. An evening at Gino’s costs us $60, and we go there once a month. As usual, this category needs some work. (See also: How much do you spend on food?) - Pets (2005: $397.76, 2006: $471.03, 2007: $625.52)
- Many personal finance writers view pets as an unnecessary expense. But to me, $50 a month to keep four cats is a bargain. It costs me only fifty cents a day for each animal, and they bring much more joy than that to my life. If Kris would let me, I’d be the “crazy cat lady” on the block. (Are there “crazy cat gentlemen”?)
- Sin (2005: $1055.33, 2006: $768.95, 2007: $431.89)
- This includes wine, liquor, pipe tobacco, poker nights, etc. Looking at this category, you’d think I was a chain-smoking lush! It’s not true. I smoke a pipe maybe a dozen times a year. We serve alcohol at dinner parties and social gatherings. Because we like to entertain, we serve a lot of alcohol. I reduced my own alcohol intake sharply this year. (At one point I went three months without a drink just to test myself.) This made a huge difference in my spending.
For those keeping score, my 2005 discretionary spending was $11,082.89. It was $10,806.44 in 2006. Last year, it fell to $7,941.02. That’s $2,865.42 I was able to free to apply directly to my outstanding debt. Though I’m pleased to have done so well with my spending in 2007, I’m worried that this sets me up for disappointment in 2008. My expenses almost have to increase.
Please note that there’s nothing inherently wrong with purchasing things that bring you joy. But problems come when you finance these purchases with debt. If you’re meeting your other financial goals and have money left over, it’s good to indulge your interests and passions.
Addendum: How does my spending compare to others? Checking this thread about annual living expenses from the discussion forums, the numbers seem fairly typical.
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Gino’s is quite good. Eating out was probably one of our biggest downfalls last year. My wife and I love to eat at China Delight and Queen of Sheba. Not to mention half a dozen other places. My personal downfall was board games. Funny that I keep stumbling onto blogs that turn out to be written by Portland residents. How odd.
Greg
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The most useful point (to me) in Rich Dad, Poor Dad was the concept of categorizing things as assets or liabilities by his definition. Basically if the thing brings value or drains you.
I place books under education in my budget and don’t think a grand in books is bad at all and are categorized as assets. Your Sin category could be categorized as a liability if a guest gets a DUI, that comes back on you, or from the health factor point of view. But you could argue it’s an asset too socially, networking, etc.
Good job on not blowing money in 2007. Are you going to track what your debt cost you in ’07 and ’08? If your expenses go up, but your interest expenses go down from reducing debt you might find tracking it satisfying.
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Thanks so much for being brave enough to share that kind of information with us. I think it takes a lot of courage: You’re not just speaking in vague terms about “I decreased spending in this area of my life last year”, you’re giving us actual numbers! It’s hard to do, but I think such habits will increase accountability. I think a lot of people would benefit from having a partner to divulge EXACTLY (down to the penny) how much they spend on certain areas.
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You should start blogging about comics; then you could shift that expense into the business column.
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I’ve been lurking on the site for several years now, and I just wanted to say thanks for sharing this information. My wife and I are doing our budgets for this year, and it’s always good to hear about someone else’s success.
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One of the best comments that you have said is that “there’s nothing inherently wrong with purchasing things that bring you joy. But problems come when you finance these purchases with debt.”
You just need to make sure your needs are taken care of before you go on to wants, then desires!
Great post!
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Your drop in comic book spending is particularly admirable, congratulations. Ernesto’s idea is kind of cool unless you think it’d lead to more spending problems. But you do so well with your blogs anyway that maybe when you cut back from your full-time job you might find time for a comic one.
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JD,
Have you ever looked into using a website like Paperback Swap to obtain new, used books for just the cost of shipping? This has helped me to greatly reduce my spending on books.
And I love that you have a category called Sin, I got a good laugh from that!
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Congrats on bringing down the spending. The Decemberists’ show should be pretty awesome… I’m jealous!
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It’s impressive you tracked all that. The closest I come to something I track is “Entertainment” (which includes eating out). It went from $2,016 in 2006 to $3,870 in 2007.
Best Wishes,
D4L
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I did this exercise fot the first time last year and was astounded at how much my fiance and I spend to feed a family of two ($10k – but that includes alcohol and food for dinner parties for friends).
This year I’m starting an ‘entertaining at home’ category so I can see exactly how much we spend on the get-togethers we host.
You did a great job keeping your pet care costs in the ‘reasonable’ category. I only buy my dog toys, my partner takes care of the vet bills and kennel expenses – I bet we easily spent $1200 combined caring for that mutt. But I wouldn’t trade her for the world.
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I’ve seen the Decemberists in concert several times, the first few times I was lucky enough to see them for $9, $12 and $15, the next time they came to town (Montreal, Canada) it was more along the lines of $30. I sadly missed that show. Their increase in popularity is good for them, but bad for my wallet.
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I hate to think what I spend on my 80lb. Golden Retriever. He’s 11 so the vet bills are going up with his age. At his size he’s not cheap to feed. But we don’t spoil him much with toys or treats so those costs are low. But the benefits are something you can’t measure – my blood pressure actually dropped 8 points on average after we got him about 6 years ago. He has brought my husband and I closer because we walk him together and talk about our day. We’re exercising and laughing so much more now that we have this goofy creature in our life. No matter how bad my day is I know I can come home and have a living creature be overjoyed to see me. There isn’t enough money in the world that can buy that.
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Do you buy your books used? I love http://www.fetchbook.info where you can compare prices and find the lowest price.
Also – since your blog has wide readership, you should be able to finagle reviewers copies. My husband is an academic and you wouldn’t believe what a boondoggle it is for getting books, most of which we donate to their library anyway.
ANd… you can resell the books. A lot of them, I’m sure you’ve found out, are not very useful.
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Re-reading this entry, I see that there’s a little bit of ambiguity. I say that my spending last year was half of what it was in 2006, yet the numbers at the end of the article don’t reflect that. What I mean to say is that my overall spending was sliced in half. Discretionary spending is just a part of that.
Re: The Decemberists. This will be the third time I’ve seen them live. Should be fun!
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I’m a little bit boggled by your numbers still. $702 on books — that’s $7000 over the course of ten years. If you have to own them, have you tried buying them on Half.com? I was shocked to find I really could buy anything I wanted at half price or less — sometimes 75 cents. Of course, the library is free even for personal finance books. And if they don’t have them, interlibrary loan is free too.
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J.D.
Though I don’t have a problem with debt, I enjoy reading your column as it helps keep me focused on using my money wisely.
I do have a question about this analysis. When I see these real world examples I often wonder if the amounts are for a household, a couple, or an individual – who may be part of a household or couple. In your example some of the totals look like they are couple expenses (food and maybe sin)and some look like they are particular to you as an individual(comic books), and some I’m unclear on (books for example). Does your wife have a category that is specific to her?
It’s not such a problem for this example but when people talk about retirement savings, retirement timing etc. it gets very muddled if you can’t sort the couple vs. individual stuff out. Especially if the couple are not the same age. In much personal finance writing this isn’t clear and its difficult to see how the ideas apply to them as a unit.
Anyway thanks for the great writing and interesting blog.
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I was working on this over the weekend as well and posted my numbers in the GRS personal finance forum under annual expenses.
I have some trouble figuring out what is discretionary and what is not. Books, eating out, gifts are all, charity, are, to me, discretionary. But what about dry cleaning, clothes, and vet bills for the dog? I think a $1000 dress is discretinary spending within the clothing category but are clothes, in general, discretionary?
I guess my question is as follows: are all spending choices beyond the very basics of food, shelter, clothing, insurance, transportation discretionary?
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Off topic, but The Decemberists are AWESOME live! I got to see them perform with the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra, and it was seriously one of the best concerts I’ve ever been to.
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I’ve been chronicling my spending on a “private” blog since December, I’m having a hard time breaking it down so much, I buy beer when I buy groceries often, so my beer spending often gets lumped into my grocery spending. Do you go through all of your receipts individually? and Do you use any sort of computer program/website to help you keep track?
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@ Christine
GREAT question. In this case, all of these totals are just for the money I spent. Kris never pays for anything in the sin category, which is a point of mild contention. We split the grocery bill 50/50, so whatever I’ve spent on groceries, she’s also spent that much. I generally pay for meals out, though not always. (To be fair, Kris has her own set of things that she pays for and I do not: gardening supplies and household stuff come to mind.)
I agree that when people talk about retirement savings and net worths, etc., I never know if this is a household number or an individual number. I read The Millionaire Next Door with this question on my mind the entire time. Great question.
@Sam
I think “discretionary” is largely subjective. In my numbers here, groceries are mostly non-discretionary, but I’ve included them. (Some groceries are discretionary, however.) Dining out, however, always is. I think that each person needs to decide how they’re going to track this sort of thing and just be consistent. The important thing is constancy!
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@Jordan
I split out certain things such as alcohol. If it’s something that I know I want to track, I make sure to split the transaction in Quicken.
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Great post. I’m a bit of a video game spender myself, but I’ve been able to really keep the expenses down by quickly selling back any games I’m not currently playing.
When you see a new game you want, but it right when it comes out, play it like crazy, then go on eBay/Craigslist/GameRush and sell/trade it in right away. Games usually don’t lose much value in the first month or 2, so you’ll end up paying about $10-20 per game, which can be a big savings.
If you’re still playing the game after that time, keep it, but just as you’ve said with movies/CDs/etc, it’s not really worth anything sitting on the shelf (and you can always rent it later if you get an urge – or rebuy it at a lower price)
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there’s nothing inherently wrong with purchasing things that bring you joy…I agree
You should rename Sin category to Vice
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Holy Cow!
You spend SO much money I had to finally leave a comment.
I will not be reading your blog anymore unfortunately…
You spent more money on eating out per month then I spend on rent!!!
I also should note that my discretionary spending is around $1200 per year, and I have NO debt whatsoever… no wonder you still have debt!
Im guessing you are American, for you spend the entire minimum wage yearly income on ‘entertainment’
UNREAL!!!
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I have kept a ‘sin’ category for smokes (I smoke about a pack a month: social smoking, reaction to upsetting events, etc.)
This year I have seperated ‘booze’ from groceries and and eating out. I want to know just how much I spend on beer and drinks. I think I spend 10 bucks on a couple of drinks out with the guys every two weeks, and 15 more on a few six packs for the apartment each month. But I really have no clue, so now I’m measuring such things.
I’m really glad someone else has a sin category!!
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Tracking my expenses is something I’ve dabbled in from time to time. I’m single now (soon to be divorced), so the only person I have to make accountable to the spending and numbers is myself. I started tracking my spending the beginning of January and I’m still going strong.
I’ve said to some I’ve put myself on a financial diet. I’m working towards lowering the amount I spend, increasing the little bit I can invest, and knocking off some debt. I’m in the process of renovating my house to be able to hopefully sell it and move, so that is creating some outlay of cash, but I’m confident the return will be found in the increase in the value of my home.
Thank you so much for posting your totals and categories. The categories you’ve listed will help me in streamlining my own.
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A cat guy who loves comic books. Hmmmm.
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Not only do you have your spending under control, by not incurring debt or dipping into your emergency fund, etc., but you’re focusing on spending on your values, of what’s important to you, rather than random, meaningless things, and so that’s great! And with those conditions met, I agree with you that we should indulge our passions and interests. I just booked a 2 week flight to HI from CA and plan to book another one for March and a third in May. I’ve never booked 3 flights in one day. And why not? It’s to visit my daughter and grandchildren and like you, I’m not incurring any debt doing so. And about those cats — the guy who comes over to take care of my one cat while I travel is your age and has 6 cats of his own — so there’s no reason why you shouldn’t get 2 more!
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Interesting:
I can’t honestly tell you what our discretionary spending is spent on – but I CAN tell you how much. We each get $200 a pay for our “play money”. that covers dance classes, dinners out, books and sport for me – coffee, books and a heap of sport for Ryan.
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@wthell
These are annual figures, not monthly figures. My entertainment spending is not equal to minimum wage income.
I admit that I still spend too much, but I’m working on it. I’m making progress. I don’t think I spend obscene amounts of money, though. Perhaps I’m wrong…
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“The most useful point (to me) in Rich Dad, Poor Dad was the concept of categorizing things as assets or liabilities by his definition. Basically if the thing brings value or drains you.”
I still kinda like that too, but I wish I’d never read the book because I periodically catch myself remembering something from the book and then I’ll have to remind myself that he’s a complete charlatan and it’s likely that the whole thing is made up.
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J.D.
I am sorry to see such a negative comment from @wthell. Clearly this person has a hard time understanding the well written blog entries. How anyone can think the amounts you were speaking of were monthly I will never know. As for the last parting shot about being American and your spending well that was uncalled for. I think this proves that we have plenty of jerks outside the USA. Yes that was cheap shot directed at you (wthell) so leave your unfounded anti American comments at home.
Please note I am not a right wing defender of the USA. I just dont care for unfounded comments about anyone.
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I think wthell needs to reread the amounts.
JD said he spent $2051 in 2007 on dining out. Thats ~$170 per month, or one date per week. I think many married couples would LOVE to be able to go out on a date together every week.
On the other hand, I think I’m afraid to know where someone is paying only $170/month in rent.
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I’m glad theres actually another male that likes cats. I love my fat 28 pound black cat almost as much as I love my daughter
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$7,941.02 spent on discretionary costs is insane!
THAT total (yearly obviously) is crazy to spend if you are on a budget!
Thats $662.00 per MONTH.
That is well over the $350 per month I spend on an apartement rental per month.
My food costs are $130
Cell phone is $43
Entertainment is about $60
Insurance is $74
My TOTAL monthly expenses is less then your fun spending, and I make $140,000 per year after taxes.
Thats why I am rich, and you are poor.
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Also, Im assuming people read your blog who got themselves into trouble by over spending or not realising the value of money, thats why everyone thinks that I thought your bills were monthly not yearly… as I explain above, you are out of your mind to spend that much money when you have any debt… and mortgage is a HUGE DEBT.
Geez, you guys really think that almost 700 per MONTH is a good number to be at for fun spending???
Go read http://www.thesimpledollar.com
At least he tries to cut his bills everymonth and understands the value of a dollar.
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@wthell
I read The Simple Dollar every day. It’s a great site.
Everyone thinks that you mistook my yearly totals for monthly because you wrote “You spent more money on eating out per month then I spend on rent!!!” This isn’t correct, so we assume you made some sort of error.
Also: nobody would ever consider me poor. I certainly don’t.
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WOW, very detailed. That is exactly what my wife and I have been attempting to get to. Most of your spending looks very in line with what is considered ‘normal’, but I agree with some of the other posters, have you tried to find a book swap service? Slightly used books versus new are night and day.
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wthell:
a) Where do you live?
b) Do you actually have friends or do anything outside of working? At $60, you sure aren’t dating.
c) Who gave you the rules as to what spending levels deserve moral outrage?
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@wthell: Is there a reason you are limiting your spending to such a low amount relative to your income? I’d be curious to see your personal financial goals and what you intend to do with all the money you’re amassing.
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Hmm… Mentioned paperback and dvd swap but do not see the comment.
Check those out for good deals.
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Since you started Get Fit Slowly, could you consider food a business expense, research or something?
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Wow @ wthell
You are certainly living on the smell of an oily rag – good on you for curbing your expenses. I am thinking you are single? It is much easier to be disciplined and accept a lot less in life when you only have yourself to look after. Renting is also considered by some schools of thought to be a waste of money whereas paying off a mortgage is creating a future investment….
We are all on different paths to the same destination – looking after our money and our future – but also LIVING in the present moment I would hope! Methinks I would rather be living J.D.’s joyful but careful existence….
J.D. – you are my first stop every morning – I love your honesty, your thoughtfulness and your largesse of spirit. Thankyou for sharing your progress – what a long way you have come, jolly well good on YOU.
Lorraine
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@wthell:
I am amazed at the restraint of my fellow commenters.
Assuming you are not just a troll, I think the difference between yourself and the rest of us here at GRS (including JD) is that we are trying to pay down debt and build wealth while actually living, and you on the other hand are following some sort of “deferred life plan” (to use Tim Ferris’s phrase). My guess is that you spend so much time at your job that you don’t have any time or energy for anything else — but you don’t plan on doing that forever. At some point you’ll cut back your hours and spring for a BMW and a house just off the fairway.
Some of us prefer a more balanced approach — saving a lot for tomorrow while still living today. Given that there are no guarantees in life and that you can’t take it with you when you die, I think it’s the most sensible approach.
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While I’m not sure what brought on the general tone of the comment, wthell does bring up a valid point. From a global perspective, Jd & I are rich. We can pay off our debt simply by focusing our spending in a smarter way and giving up some (but obviously not all) luxuries– things we had come to believe were necessities before we shifted focus. We are incredibly lucky. That said, we want to enjoy the present as well as prepare for our future. Do we occasionally spend more than we should? Definitely. Are we improving? Definitely.
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[chortle!] Did you realize researchers have discovered cats harbor and spread a parasite that causes some prey animals to lose their fear of cats, thereby making them…well, easy prey?
This has the led to the theory that Cat Ladies (and Cat Gentlemen) are infected by the parasite, explaining their infatuation with puddy tats.
Fifty cents a day for four cats is not bad! Especially if you’re factoring in the vet bills. The other day at my blog I calculated that I’ve spent something over $18,000 on my twelve-year-old German shepherd, all told.
She did chase off a prowler once, but since I don’t own 18 grand worth worth of stealable goods, it’s probably not an even deal.
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Yes from a global point you do spend a lot of money. We also live in country were electricity and indoor plumbing are considered basic needs. If we lived in shacks with dirt floors I’m sure your spending would be different.
I can’t even think of a reply to wthell. what you are saying is so asinine I don’t even know where to start. I hope that huge bank account your amassing is a real comfort to you when you realize how much of your life you missed living.
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Why are people fixating on dollar values here? Surely it’s all about the proportion of your income?
Anita Bell (who recommends everybody gets a Sanity Allowance – discretionary income for you to spend as you wish), believes your Sanity allowance should be 5-10% of your income. And it should be a higher percentage, the LESS you earn.
It’s going to be different for everyone.
JD maybe spends a lot, maybe doesn’t – the point is that he decided he wanted to spend less, and he HAS!
I’m enjoying this discussion a lot : )
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@Kazari
I’ve never heard of a “sanity allowance” before. I like the concept.
My discretionary spending used to make up 30% (or more of my income). That was crazy. Now it’s down in that 5-10% range…
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