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	<title>Comments on: Are Mortgage Rates Tied to the Federal Funds Rate?</title>
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		<title>By: Ultimate Open House</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-128227</link>
		<dc:creator>Ultimate Open House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you&#8217;re interested, here are some links to a few articles about the relationship between a fed rate cut and mortgage interest rates: http://www.bankrate.com/bosre/news/mortgages/20070920_rate_cut_affect_mortgages_a1.asp http://biz.yahoo.com/cnbc/080122/22783168.html?.v=1&#38;.pf=loans http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you&#8217;re interested, here are some links to a few articles about the relationship between a fed rate cut and mortgage interest rates: <a href="http://www.bankrate.com/bosre/news/mortgages/20070920_rate_cut_affect_mortgages_a1.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.bankrate.com/bosre/news/mortgages/20070920_rate_cut_affect_mortgages_a1.asp</a> <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/cnbc/080122/22783168.html?.v=1&amp;.pf=loans" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/cnbc/080122/22783168.html?.v=1&amp;.pf=loans</a> <a href="http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/" rel="nofollow">http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-117775</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, mortgage rates have a lot to do with the bond market now since the barrier of separating the banking industry and the investment industry was lifted by the GLB Act in 1999.  Rates are now trending upwards because the lenders can't sell the paper into the bond market, which has increased their exposure.  This of course is a result of the "challenges" that are facing the bond insurers as a result of the sub-prime fiasco.

Here are some good links on the subject.
CnnMoney.com-http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/05/news/economy/bond_insurers.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008020513
FinancialWeek.com-http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/REG/676016275/-1/FWDAILYALERT01
International Herald Tribune-http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/08/business/NA-FIN-MKT-US-Closing-Stocks.php
Consumer Mortgage Reports-http://www.consumermortgagereports.com/mortgage-bond-insurers-downgrades/
Will Blog For Food-http://willblogforfood.typepad.com/will_blog_for_food/2007/11/collateralized-.html
FindLaw.com-http://library.findlaw.com/2000/Jan/1/131290.html

Travis Mitchell
Debt Free Project</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, mortgage rates have a lot to do with the bond market now since the barrier of separating the banking industry and the investment industry was lifted by the GLB Act in 1999.  Rates are now trending upwards because the lenders can&#8217;t sell the paper into the bond market, which has increased their exposure.  This of course is a result of the &#8220;challenges&#8221; that are facing the bond insurers as a result of the sub-prime fiasco.</p>
<p>Here are some good links on the subject.<br />
CnnMoney.com-http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/05/news/economy/bond_insurers.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008020513<br />
FinancialWeek.com-http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/REG/676016275/-1/FWDAILYALERT01<br />
International Herald Tribune-http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/08/business/NA-FIN-MKT-US-Closing-Stocks.php<br />
Consumer Mortgage Reports-http://www.consumermortgagereports.com/mortgage-bond-insurers-downgrades/<br />
Will Blog For Food-http://willblogforfood.typepad.com/will_blog_for_food/2007/11/collateralized-.html<br />
FindLaw.com-http://library.findlaw.com/2000/Jan/1/131290.html</p>
<p>Travis Mitchell<br />
Debt Free Project</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Late Monday Roundup - XLII Aftermath Edition&#160;&#64;&#160;fivecentnickel.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Late Monday Roundup - XLII Aftermath Edition&#160;&#64;&#160;fivecentnickel.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Are Mortgage Rates Tied to the Federal Funds Rate? JD tackles a common misconception in hopes of setting the record [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Power of Trying Something New - Personal Finance Review &#187; Money Smart Life</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-115714</link>
		<dc:creator>Power of Trying Something New - Personal Finance Review &#187; Money Smart Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many people are asking the question whether they should refinance after all these interest rate cuts, Get Rich Slowly takes a look in Are Mortgage Rates Tied to the Federal Funds Rate? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Many people are asking the question whether they should refinance after all these interest rate cuts, Get Rich Slowly takes a look in Are Mortgage Rates Tied to the Federal Funds Rate? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-115303</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wall Street Journal says if you were thinking about refinancing, then do it now.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120172406024429583.html
Dr J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall Street Journal says if you were thinking about refinancing, then do it now.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120172406024429583.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120172406024429583.html</a><br />
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		<title>By: marisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>marisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Just wanted to say that at least some ARMs are tied to the fed funds rate.  We got a "fixed for five years, and then float for 25 years" ARM that is (we knew we'd be moving within 5 years... and then weren't able to sell our house).

Our ARM is set to the fed funds rate, and resets in July to that rate +2 points - we're at 4.125% now, and hoping it won't change when it resets this summer.  Keep your fingers crossed for us ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Just wanted to say that at least some ARMs are tied to the fed funds rate.  We got a &#8220;fixed for five years, and then float for 25 years&#8221; ARM that is (we knew we&#8217;d be moving within 5 years&#8230; and then weren&#8217;t able to sell our house).</p>
<p>Our ARM is set to the fed funds rate, and resets in July to that rate +2 points - we&#8217;re at 4.125% now, and hoping it won&#8217;t change when it resets this summer.  Keep your fingers crossed for us <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: rhbee</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-115004</link>
		<dc:creator>rhbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great and timely post JD.  I was just reading something interesting in its correlation to this at Jon Taplin's blog, http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/transparency-the-credit-crash/

where he talks about the real difficulty of understanding any of these financial questions because the banks are so shrowded in secrecy.  This fits also with the apparent unregulated way the credit card industry functions.  It is like they are a law unto themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great and timely post JD.  I was just reading something interesting in its correlation to this at Jon Taplin&#8217;s blog, <a href="http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/transparency-the-credit-crash/" rel="nofollow">http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/transparency-the-credit-crash/</a></p>
<p>where he talks about the real difficulty of understanding any of these financial questions because the banks are so shrowded in secrecy.  This fits also with the apparent unregulated way the credit card industry functions.  It is like they are a law unto themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114995</link>
		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There goes my dreams of nabbing a 5% fixed 30, with the way these Fed drops have been going &lt;/i&gt;

At least in my area, last week 30 year rates were being offered at 5%, or even slightly less. They've gone back up a half percent or so since then. 

My husband and I jumped at the chance when it hit 5% and are refinancing. Our current mortgage is 6.25%, our credit is excellent, our LTV is good, and we can pay closing costs out of pocket. The end result should be a principal + interest payment of $200 less per month. If the Good Faith Estimate is even close we'll recoup our out of pocket expenses in 15 or so months. 

Apparently lots of other people jumped, too, because the loan dept at our credit union is absolutely swamped. When we locked the rate it was good for 45 days; a customer service rep told me that they were extending it to 60 days because the loan dept was totally overwhelmed. 

I'd say that even now you do way better than 7% on a 30 year note. Obviously personal circumstances vary, but if you're in your house for the long haul, it's at least worth investigating. 

My favorite calculator for fooling around with principal &#38; interest payments under varying circumstances is at 

http://ray.met.fsu.edu/~bret/amortize.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There goes my dreams of nabbing a 5% fixed 30, with the way these Fed drops have been going </i></p>
<p>At least in my area, last week 30 year rates were being offered at 5%, or even slightly less. They&#8217;ve gone back up a half percent or so since then. </p>
<p>My husband and I jumped at the chance when it hit 5% and are refinancing. Our current mortgage is 6.25%, our credit is excellent, our LTV is good, and we can pay closing costs out of pocket. The end result should be a principal + interest payment of $200 less per month. If the Good Faith Estimate is even close we&#8217;ll recoup our out of pocket expenses in 15 or so months. </p>
<p>Apparently lots of other people jumped, too, because the loan dept at our credit union is absolutely swamped. When we locked the rate it was good for 45 days; a customer service rep told me that they were extending it to 60 days because the loan dept was totally overwhelmed. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that even now you do way better than 7% on a 30 year note. Obviously personal circumstances vary, but if you&#8217;re in your house for the long haul, it&#8217;s at least worth investigating. </p>
<p>My favorite calculator for fooling around with principal &amp; interest payments under varying circumstances is at </p>
<p><a href="http://ray.met.fsu.edu/~bret/amortize.html" rel="nofollow">http://ray.met.fsu.edu/~bret/amortize.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114986</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Canada, at least, posted mortgage rates are related to 5 year bond rates. The exact spread differs, based on the market's risk tolerance. But they do normally rise and fall together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Canada, at least, posted mortgage rates are related to 5 year bond rates. The exact spread differs, based on the market&#8217;s risk tolerance. But they do normally rise and fall together.</p>
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		<title>By: wealthkick</title>
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		<dc:creator>wealthkick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I saw the link to this on cnn.com, but I found that it was interesting to see how and where the candidates stand on economic issues (the subprime section is particularly interesting):

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/pf/20080128_issues_a1.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I saw the link to this on cnn.com, but I found that it was interesting to see how and where the candidates stand on economic issues (the subprime section is particularly interesting):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/pf/20080128_issues_a1.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/pf/20080128_issues_a1.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114976</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As JerichoHill points out, mortgage rates are more related to t-bills. The 10-year note is quite commonly an indicator of where mortgage rates will go.

Someone asked about things that are affected by the Fed rate cut. Here are a few:

*variable rate HELOCs
*some ARMs
*credit card interest rates
*cash investment yields</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As JerichoHill points out, mortgage rates are more related to t-bills. The 10-year note is quite commonly an indicator of where mortgage rates will go.</p>
<p>Someone asked about things that are affected by the Fed rate cut. Here are a few:</p>
<p>*variable rate HELOCs<br />
*some ARMs<br />
*credit card interest rates<br />
*cash investment yields</p>
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		<title>By: blade</title>
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		<dc:creator>blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to W Baker...the banks benefit. BTW, I received my notice that my HSBC rate is dropping to 3.88%. Guess I'll transfer to my Emigrant account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to W Baker&#8230;the banks benefit. BTW, I received my notice that my HSBC rate is dropping to 3.88%. Guess I&#8217;ll transfer to my Emigrant account.</p>
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		<title>By: JerichoHill</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114973</link>
		<dc:creator>JerichoHill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mortgage rates and the Fed Funds rate are correlated in some ways.  Both change during economic expansion and contraction periods.  I noted to JD that the general trend of these rates do move together.  However, correlation does not equal causation.  Many times A does not cause B, C does,but A and C are related.

However, it is evident from the graphs that many other factors influence mortgage rates aside from the federal funds rate (the rate at which banks make loans to each other).

Mortgage rates more closely will follow whatever t-bill is the closest to their maturity window.

These cuts are supposed to increase monetary liquidity...ie, encourage banks to continue to loan, or keep their current loan portfolio.  Credit drying up really puts the brakes to an economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mortgage rates and the Fed Funds rate are correlated in some ways.  Both change during economic expansion and contraction periods.  I noted to JD that the general trend of these rates do move together.  However, correlation does not equal causation.  Many times A does not cause B, C does,but A and C are related.</p>
<p>However, it is evident from the graphs that many other factors influence mortgage rates aside from the federal funds rate (the rate at which banks make loans to each other).</p>
<p>Mortgage rates more closely will follow whatever t-bill is the closest to their maturity window.</p>
<p>These cuts are supposed to increase monetary liquidity&#8230;ie, encourage banks to continue to loan, or keep their current loan portfolio.  Credit drying up really puts the brakes to an economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.

There are other factors at work here which might make historical comparisons imperfect.  

The Fed is doing everything it can to encourage banks to lend money (by lowering discount rate, accepting junk collateral, lowering Fed Funds, etc.).  But, banks are still reluctant to lend, especially for bigger mortgages that they can't sell off easily.  Now, larger or riskier mortgages have to sit on the balance sheets of the banks.... just like the old days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
<p>There are other factors at work here which might make historical comparisons imperfect.  </p>
<p>The Fed is doing everything it can to encourage banks to lend money (by lowering discount rate, accepting junk collateral, lowering Fed Funds, etc.).  But, banks are still reluctant to lend, especially for bigger mortgages that they can&#8217;t sell off easily.  Now, larger or riskier mortgages have to sit on the balance sheets of the banks&#8230;. just like the old days.</p>
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		<title>By: d^2</title>
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		<dc:creator>d^2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your second graph seems to suggest that if you wait about 1.5 months after a fed rate cut, you can get a lower mortgage rate.  maybe this only applies when there are successive downward adjustments to the fed rate, though, as shown in the graph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your second graph seems to suggest that if you wait about 1.5 months after a fed rate cut, you can get a lower mortgage rate.  maybe this only applies when there are successive downward adjustments to the fed rate, though, as shown in the graph.</p>
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		<title>By: Banking Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Banking Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to the Prime rate (which many home equities are tied to) it usually goes down when the Fed cuts rates.  If you go to www.bloomberg.com, you will see it currently is at 6.00%.  If any of your loans are set to Prime they should drop by the next statement.

Although, as has been pointed out, Mortgate rate ups and downs are correlated to the Fed cuts and increases, they are more inflation and risk senstitive.  As a result, they more closely follow the changes in the 10-year treasury.  But as many banks have been tightening their lending standards and have had less money to loan, the rates will probably be higher than anticipated/hoped for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to the Prime rate (which many home equities are tied to) it usually goes down when the Fed cuts rates.  If you go to <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com</a>, you will see it currently is at 6.00%.  If any of your loans are set to Prime they should drop by the next statement.</p>
<p>Although, as has been pointed out, Mortgate rate ups and downs are correlated to the Fed cuts and increases, they are more inflation and risk senstitive.  As a result, they more closely follow the changes in the 10-year treasury.  But as many banks have been tightening their lending standards and have had less money to loan, the rates will probably be higher than anticipated/hoped for.</p>
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		<title>By: W Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114962</link>
		<dc:creator>W Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, if a cut in the Federal Funds Rate doesn't benefit mortgage rates - and may even cause mortgage rates to go up - who or what does it benefit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, if a cut in the Federal Funds Rate doesn&#8217;t benefit mortgage rates - and may even cause mortgage rates to go up - who or what does it benefit?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Francis</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114958</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are at 7.0% and have good credit definitely look into refinancing now.  Note that if you don't have very good credit the lenders are going to be very wary... and my title agent said she had seen a lot of refinances that didn't happen.

I just finished a refinance from 6.75% (22 of 30 years left) to a 5% 15 year.  Looking at bankrate you should still be able to get ~5% on a 15 year or ~5.5 on a 30 year fixed.  However, beware of the fees!  I got a bunch of quotes and the fees varied by thousands.  Expect to pay at least another $3000 for closing- that does NOT include the reserves you will need for an escrow account.

Also, try to close with the same title company you should be able to get a discount.  It was quite a process... I've been thinking that describing the process might make a good guest article of JD is interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are at 7.0% and have good credit definitely look into refinancing now.  Note that if you don&#8217;t have very good credit the lenders are going to be very wary&#8230; and my title agent said she had seen a lot of refinances that didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>I just finished a refinance from 6.75% (22 of 30 years left) to a 5% 15 year.  Looking at bankrate you should still be able to get ~5% on a 15 year or ~5.5 on a 30 year fixed.  However, beware of the fees!  I got a bunch of quotes and the fees varied by thousands.  Expect to pay at least another $3000 for closing- that does NOT include the reserves you will need for an escrow account.</p>
<p>Also, try to close with the same title company you should be able to get a discount.  It was quite a process&#8230; I&#8217;ve been thinking that describing the process might make a good guest article of JD is interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114955</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of mortgages (especially adjustable) are tied to the LIBOR (London InterBank Offered Rate).  Bankrate data here:
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/ratewatch/other-indices.asp and economagic chart here: http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/charter.exe/libor/day-us12m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of mortgages (especially adjustable) are tied to the LIBOR (London InterBank Offered Rate).  Bankrate data here:<br />
<a href="http://www.bankrate.com/brm/ratewatch/other-indices.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.bankrate.com/brm/ratewatch/other-indices.asp</a> and economagic chart here: <a href="http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/charter.exe/libor/day-us12m" rel="nofollow">http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/charter.exe/libor/day-us12m</a></p>
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		<title>By: J.D. fournier</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114946</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D. fournier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would counter that they are highly corrolated. Maybe not one for one. The bond market anticipates the rate cuts well in advance, so that they move early, only if there is upside or downside surprises do they have an immediate impact. So these latest cuts were already priced into the bond and mortgage rates. The fed dropping rates DOES NOT correlate to higher inflation. It can mean that currently there is a risk of recession. Eventually it could cause inflation, if left too low for too long. So when there is high inflation you would expect it to move higher to counteract it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would counter that they are highly corrolated. Maybe not one for one. The bond market anticipates the rate cuts well in advance, so that they move early, only if there is upside or downside surprises do they have an immediate impact. So these latest cuts were already priced into the bond and mortgage rates. The fed dropping rates DOES NOT correlate to higher inflation. It can mean that currently there is a risk of recession. Eventually it could cause inflation, if left too low for too long. So when there is high inflation you would expect it to move higher to counteract it.</p>
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		<title>By: triple-e</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114944</link>
		<dc:creator>triple-e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have a 7% mortgage for 30 years, depending on if it is a jumbo or not, it was a great time to refinance even just months ago.  Rates were nearing 6.25% for a few days.  What you need to do is determine how long you plan to stay in your house, and figure out how long it will take to recover the new "closing" costs of refinancing.  Usually, 5 years or less isn't worth it.  5-10 years for a 1% drop, and I have never figured out the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a 7% mortgage for 30 years, depending on if it is a jumbo or not, it was a great time to refinance even just months ago.  Rates were nearing 6.25% for a few days.  What you need to do is determine how long you plan to stay in your house, and figure out how long it will take to recover the new &#8220;closing&#8221; costs of refinancing.  Usually, 5 years or less isn&#8217;t worth it.  5-10 years for a 1% drop, and I have never figured out the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114941</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's usually the other way around.  Mortgage rates start to drop and then we see Fed cuts.  It's just that the Fed makes for bigger news stories than mortgage rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s usually the other way around.  Mortgage rates start to drop and then we see Fed cuts.  It&#8217;s just that the Fed makes for bigger news stories than mortgage rates.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114939</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be aware also there there is no "Prime Rate" in the market place.  Prime is a made up rate set at each bank by the bank itself.  It was once considered the best rate available to the best customers.  Now it is simply a marketing gimic.

There is no place or market you can go to find out what Prime is.  You would have to check with each of your banks to find out what their prime is currently.  Banks can use that to set a higher prime and offer you below prime to make you feel like you are getting a good deal.

Those comments came direcltly from a former bank president who taught my Entreprenureal Finance course for my MBA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be aware also there there is no &#8220;Prime Rate&#8221; in the market place.  Prime is a made up rate set at each bank by the bank itself.  It was once considered the best rate available to the best customers.  Now it is simply a marketing gimic.</p>
<p>There is no place or market you can go to find out what Prime is.  You would have to check with each of your banks to find out what their prime is currently.  Banks can use that to set a higher prime and offer you below prime to make you feel like you are getting a good deal.</p>
<p>Those comments came direcltly from a former bank president who taught my Entreprenureal Finance course for my MBA.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114938</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, doesn't the Fed dropping rates correlate to higher inflation? And if higher inflation correlates to higher mortgage rates...

This is a great post. I didn't realize that mortgage rates were not based on the Fed rate. There goes my dreams of nabbing a 5% fixed 30, with the way these Fed drops have been going :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, doesn&#8217;t the Fed dropping rates correlate to higher inflation? And if higher inflation correlates to higher mortgage rates&#8230;</p>
<p>This is a great post. I didn&#8217;t realize that mortgage rates were not based on the Fed rate. There goes my dreams of nabbing a 5% fixed 30, with the way these Fed drops have been going <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: The Saving Freak</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/01/31/are-mortgage-rates-tied-to-the-federal-funds-rate/#comment-114935</link>
		<dc:creator>The Saving Freak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are linked but the two are not in lock step that is the point of the article.  The problem now is that our currency has been weekend by poor gov't management of funds.  When you have a strong currency these two rates pretty much move together, but the threat of inflation causes banks to raise rates no matter what the fed does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are linked but the two are not in lock step that is the point of the article.  The problem now is that our currency has been weekend by poor gov&#8217;t management of funds.  When you have a strong currency these two rates pretty much move together, but the threat of inflation causes banks to raise rates no matter what the fed does.</p>
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