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	<title>Comments on: The Wise Use of Credit: Money Lessons from 1960</title>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/02/09/the-wise-use-of-credit-money-lessons-from-1960/comment-page-1/#comment-145938</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>originally, credit cards were not installment credit.  The first cards (Diner&#039;s club, then AMEX) were actually &quot;charge cards&quot; geared towards businesspeople and required full payment each month.

It was only later with, I think, Bank of America in CA (maybe not BOA, but it WAS an  issuer in CA)in the early 70s that the business model of unsecured installment credit was used. The breakthrough was the guy who brainstormed it figured out a way to reduce his default risk by soliciting only those people who would feel compelled by their character/background to repay the cards even though the debt was unsecured. 

So, yes, in the 60s, credit cards were not considered installment credit. the terms required full payment each month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>originally, credit cards were not installment credit.  The first cards (Diner&#8217;s club, then AMEX) were actually &#8220;charge cards&#8221; geared towards businesspeople and required full payment each month.</p>
<p>It was only later with, I think, Bank of America in CA (maybe not BOA, but it WAS an  issuer in CA)in the early 70s that the business model of unsecured installment credit was used. The breakthrough was the guy who brainstormed it figured out a way to reduce his default risk by soliciting only those people who would feel compelled by their character/background to repay the cards even though the debt was unsecured. </p>
<p>So, yes, in the 60s, credit cards were not considered installment credit. the terms required full payment each month.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneymonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;so as not to disturb their savings and investments&quot;

classic excuse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;so as not to disturb their savings and investments&#8221;</p>
<p>classic excuse</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffeb3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffeb3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this vid was featured in the movie &quot;maxed out&quot;  I watched it on netflix&#039;s watch it now.  Pretty compelling movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this vid was featured in the movie &#8220;maxed out&#8221;  I watched it on netflix&#8217;s watch it now.  Pretty compelling movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic!  I love it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic!  I love it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute -- they considered credit cards *non*-instalment credit?  What sort of crazy ideas and standards prevailed back then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute &#8212; they considered credit cards *non*-instalment credit?  What sort of crazy ideas and standards prevailed back then?</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny vid ;)  I also used to work for a Credit Union.....character is definitely not one of the items taught these days.  While most Americans are not clueless about credit, we are largely clueless about debt (there is a difference in my opinion)....on top of that, you have an industry that is more than willing to allow you to achieve your American dream....as long as you are willing to pay the penaly for it (and the fees lol)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny vid <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   I also used to work for a Credit Union&#8230;..character is definitely not one of the items taught these days.  While most Americans are not clueless about credit, we are largely clueless about debt (there is a difference in my opinion)&#8230;.on top of that, you have an industry that is more than willing to allow you to achieve your American dream&#8230;.as long as you are willing to pay the penaly for it (and the fees lol)</p>
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		<title>By: db</title>
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		<dc:creator>db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there is a sea-change in mentality about debt underway. I think people like Dave Ramsey, Mary Hunt, etc. are starting to reach a critical mass of &quot;consumers&quot; -- not to mention shows like Clean Sweep, which is one of the few things I miss from having let go of my expensive cable. 

I also think that we Americans aren&#039;t as clueless as we get &quot;credit&quot; for being -- even as we spend and struggle with the debt, if we are at all self-reflective we do realize what we need to do. And how much stuff do we need, really?

And besides -- it&#039;s only right that Americans should behave responsibly and spend as they go (or, as the video points out, only spending on credit what they can comfortably pay back out of the un-marked portion of their discretionary funds). And it serves corporate greed right if they are struggling because us consumers are starting to reject the business model they&#039;ve decided is right for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there is a sea-change in mentality about debt underway. I think people like Dave Ramsey, Mary Hunt, etc. are starting to reach a critical mass of &#8220;consumers&#8221; &#8212; not to mention shows like Clean Sweep, which is one of the few things I miss from having let go of my expensive cable. </p>
<p>I also think that we Americans aren&#8217;t as clueless as we get &#8220;credit&#8221; for being &#8212; even as we spend and struggle with the debt, if we are at all self-reflective we do realize what we need to do. And how much stuff do we need, really?</p>
<p>And besides &#8212; it&#8217;s only right that Americans should behave responsibly and spend as they go (or, as the video points out, only spending on credit what they can comfortably pay back out of the un-marked portion of their discretionary funds). And it serves corporate greed right if they are struggling because us consumers are starting to reject the business model they&#8217;ve decided is right for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Mei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD,

As a fan of GRS, I am dying to know if you&#039;ve read that NY Times article about consumer debt from a few days ago &lt;a&gt;&quot;Economy Fitful, Americans Start to Pay as They Go&quot;&lt;/a&gt; ). Mostly, I think it&#039;s interesting to see how &quot;keeping up with the Joneses&quot; is (or might be) changing because people are paying more attention to their own circumstances more closely. And isn&#039;t that always how personal change works?

-Mei</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD,</p>
<p>As a fan of GRS, I am dying to know if you&#8217;ve read that NY Times article about consumer debt from a few days ago <a>&#8220;Economy Fitful, Americans Start to Pay as They Go&#8221;</a> ). Mostly, I think it&#8217;s interesting to see how &#8220;keeping up with the Joneses&#8221; is (or might be) changing because people are paying more attention to their own circumstances more closely. And isn&#8217;t that always how personal change works?</p>
<p>-Mei</p>
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		<title>By: geolojoines</title>
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		<dc:creator>geolojoines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proof positive that certain economic principles are timeless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proof positive that certain economic principles are timeless.</p>
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		<title>By: Finally Frugal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finally Frugal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen this video before somewhere, and loved it (for both the laugh factor from the wonderful acting, as well as the simplicity of the message).  

It seems that these days, the messages we (or rather, advertisers), give kids are completely the opposite:  buy now, pay later, and don&#039;t worry about how.  If you want that great new cell phone or i-pod, you deserve it, whether you can afford it or not.  

IMHO, these types of videos/workshops/trainings should be implemented in our schools from junior high school and up (if not sooner?).  I&#039;ve read many, many posts from people who ask why children don&#039;t get this information in schools (maybe the CC companies lobby against this sort of education).  I guess if the schools aren&#039;t going to step up, it&#039;s up to parents (the ones who aren&#039;t already neck-deep in debt themselves. . . )

Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen this video before somewhere, and loved it (for both the laugh factor from the wonderful acting, as well as the simplicity of the message).  </p>
<p>It seems that these days, the messages we (or rather, advertisers), give kids are completely the opposite:  buy now, pay later, and don&#8217;t worry about how.  If you want that great new cell phone or i-pod, you deserve it, whether you can afford it or not.  </p>
<p>IMHO, these types of videos/workshops/trainings should be implemented in our schools from junior high school and up (if not sooner?).  I&#8217;ve read many, many posts from people who ask why children don&#8217;t get this information in schools (maybe the CC companies lobby against this sort of education).  I guess if the schools aren&#8217;t going to step up, it&#8217;s up to parents (the ones who aren&#8217;t already neck-deep in debt themselves. . . )</p>
<p>Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Philosopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Financial Philosopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice your video mentions &quot;character&quot; first...

In my early career I worked for a major bank.  It&#039;s interesting to note that the &quot;C&#039;s&quot; of credit are still taught; however, &quot;character&quot; is not one of them anymore...  

Think of the classic film, &quot;It&#039;s a Wonderful Life:&quot;  George Bailey was the local banker and he loaned money to the town-folk based primarily on character while capacity was a secondary concern. The relationship was built on trust -- not greed...

Part of the problem with banking in the 21st century is the pure size of it and the quest to satisfy &quot;the bottom line.&quot;  In today&#039;s banking environment, character can not be quantified; greed is given more room; and the &quot;small guy&quot; with strong &quot;character&quot; but little &quot;capacity&quot; is completely overlooked.  Something tells me the &quot;credit crunch&quot; would not exist if banks operated more like George Bailey... 

The small banks are all but history.  Personally, I use the smallest bank in my city.  It only has three branches.  I don&#039;t see them often but they know my name...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice your video mentions &#8220;character&#8221; first&#8230;</p>
<p>In my early career I worked for a major bank.  It&#8217;s interesting to note that the &#8220;C&#8217;s&#8221; of credit are still taught; however, &#8220;character&#8221; is not one of them anymore&#8230;  </p>
<p>Think of the classic film, &#8220;It&#8217;s a Wonderful Life:&#8221;  George Bailey was the local banker and he loaned money to the town-folk based primarily on character while capacity was a secondary concern. The relationship was built on trust &#8212; not greed&#8230;</p>
<p>Part of the problem with banking in the 21st century is the pure size of it and the quest to satisfy &#8220;the bottom line.&#8221;  In today&#8217;s banking environment, character can not be quantified; greed is given more room; and the &#8220;small guy&#8221; with strong &#8220;character&#8221; but little &#8220;capacity&#8221; is completely overlooked.  Something tells me the &#8220;credit crunch&#8221; would not exist if banks operated more like George Bailey&#8230; </p>
<p>The small banks are all but history.  Personally, I use the smallest bank in my city.  It only has three branches.  I don&#8217;t see them often but they know my name&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have time to watch the video, but the title caught my eye &amp; just wanted to make a couple of points:  There is good credit and there is bad credit; to differentiate between the two, always ask yourself:  Will this loan increase or decrease my net worth??

Examples of good credit are:

education loans = higher earning power (usually)

house loan = appreciation (usually) and adds to your net worth

small business loans = higher rate of return (usually) - if you borrow at say 7% to start a business and make a 15-20% return, that&#039;s good debt, and adds to your net worth.

Bad credit -- auto loans.  We all know how fast a car depreciates when you drive it off the lot, or if you wanted to sell the car just a few years later -- your net worth takes a nose dive - decreases - when you buy a new car.

Bad credit -- charge card - if you use it and pay it off, they are convenient, otherwise, they will decrease your net worth w/the interest charges and fees, as will department store charges, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have time to watch the video, but the title caught my eye &amp; just wanted to make a couple of points:  There is good credit and there is bad credit; to differentiate between the two, always ask yourself:  Will this loan increase or decrease my net worth??</p>
<p>Examples of good credit are:</p>
<p>education loans = higher earning power (usually)</p>
<p>house loan = appreciation (usually) and adds to your net worth</p>
<p>small business loans = higher rate of return (usually) &#8211; if you borrow at say 7% to start a business and make a 15-20% return, that&#8217;s good debt, and adds to your net worth.</p>
<p>Bad credit &#8212; auto loans.  We all know how fast a car depreciates when you drive it off the lot, or if you wanted to sell the car just a few years later &#8212; your net worth takes a nose dive &#8211; decreases &#8211; when you buy a new car.</p>
<p>Bad credit &#8212; charge card &#8211; if you use it and pay it off, they are convenient, otherwise, they will decrease your net worth w/the interest charges and fees, as will department store charges, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Money Million</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Money Million</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite being a bit dated, the underlying purpose of the video is still important today. Educating yourself about personal finance issues, such as budgeting and credit, is critical to financial well-being. So many people don&#039;t bother about these issues until they are in debt or in crisis.
Also, as an immigrant to the United States, originally from a country where credit scores were nonexistant (all loans are awarded purely on available collateral or whether you&#039;re family or friends with someone who works for the bank) I have shared in the experience of thousands of other immigrants come to this country with no idea of how the system truely works. Again, education is the key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite being a bit dated, the underlying purpose of the video is still important today. Educating yourself about personal finance issues, such as budgeting and credit, is critical to financial well-being. So many people don&#8217;t bother about these issues until they are in debt or in crisis.<br />
Also, as an immigrant to the United States, originally from a country where credit scores were nonexistant (all loans are awarded purely on available collateral or whether you&#8217;re family or friends with someone who works for the bank) I have shared in the experience of thousands of other immigrants come to this country with no idea of how the system truely works. Again, education is the key.</p>
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		<title>By: ~Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>~Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always loved the gender roles in these films...the girl is always the one who just &#039;doesn&#039;t get it&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always loved the gender roles in these films&#8230;the girl is always the one who just &#8216;doesn&#8217;t get it&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, what the video failed to mention explicitly was interest. It was alluded to when Mr. Money talked about the costs of credit - but all the costs he mentioned were the lender&#039;s costs, and he somehow forgot to mention to John and Judy that they, as consumers, would be paying interest to the lender to cover those costs of credit (and more).

Thanks for finding this film - it was fascinating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, what the video failed to mention explicitly was interest. It was alluded to when Mr. Money talked about the costs of credit &#8211; but all the costs he mentioned were the lender&#8217;s costs, and he somehow forgot to mention to John and Judy that they, as consumers, would be paying interest to the lender to cover those costs of credit (and more).</p>
<p>Thanks for finding this film &#8211; it was fascinating!</p>
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		<title>By: RacerX</title>
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		<dc:creator>RacerX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love these videos! Keep them coming. It is a great message!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love these videos! Keep them coming. It is a great message!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/02/09/the-wise-use-of-credit-money-lessons-from-1960/comment-page-1/#comment-116576</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you hammer the film for sexism, consider that in 1960 a young girl might reasonably have expected to have her husband manage the finances, if that is what she saw happening for other young women, her mother, and so on.  The key is what Mr. Money&#039;s response was.  If he said, &quot;Why yes, Judy, everyone should know how money works.  You never know when you may need to use credit wisely.&quot;, I submit the film would be ahead of its time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you hammer the film for sexism, consider that in 1960 a young girl might reasonably have expected to have her husband manage the finances, if that is what she saw happening for other young women, her mother, and so on.  The key is what Mr. Money&#8217;s response was.  If he said, &#8220;Why yes, Judy, everyone should know how money works.  You never know when you may need to use credit wisely.&#8221;, I submit the film would be ahead of its time.</p>
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		<title>By: dawn</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/02/09/the-wise-use-of-credit-money-lessons-from-1960/comment-page-1/#comment-116572</link>
		<dc:creator>dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credit is such a double-edged sword...
We more or less need to develop a credit rating to acquire the almighty FICO score, which is used in so much of our modern life.  Yet, so many of us are ill-equipped to deal with the potentiality of that available credit.  
If we only knew in our teens and twenties, what we soon learn in our thirties and forties!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit is such a double-edged sword&#8230;<br />
We more or less need to develop a credit rating to acquire the almighty FICO score, which is used in so much of our modern life.  Yet, so many of us are ill-equipped to deal with the potentiality of that available credit.<br />
If we only knew in our teens and twenties, what we soon learn in our thirties and forties!!!</p>
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