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When I came home on Wednesday, there was no mail in our mailbox. That seemed strange, but it happens sometimes. I didn’t think much about it.
Tonight, though, we realized we were missing our latest Netflix movies. We checked the web site, and sure enough — they should have arrived Wednesday. “Uh oh,” I said. “This could be trouble.”
“We mostly get catalogs and personal finance magazines,” Kris said. “We don’t get checks in the mail. Could a thief really have nabbed anything important?”
“It’s tax season,” I said. “We’ve received most of our documents, but not all of them. We don’t have the interest statement for your bank account, for example. That probably has your social security number on it.”
“What can we do?” Kris said. It was 8 p.m. Friday evening.
I googled for information about stolen mail. Ironically, one of the top results was a Get Rich Slowly article from last February: “What To Do If Your Identity is Stolen”. After re-reading that post (and the comments that follow), I plan to:
- Check our credit reports. AnnualCreditReport.com is an official, government-approved site through which consumers can request one yearly report from each of the three major credit reporting agencies. We cold request them all at once or we could stagger them. I’ll stagger my requests. I’ll make my first check tonight, and my second in a couple weeks. (Update: my credit report is currently clean.)
- Open a post-office box. I rejected the idea before now because it seemed like an unnecessary expense. I’m going to do more research into this. I’ll also price security mailboxes.
- Speak with our postal carrier tomorrow. It’s too bad we didn’t realize there was a problem today — she had to bring a package to the door, and we could have talked to her then.
- Report the theft to the police. I’m sure there’s nothing they can do, but it never hurts to alert the authorities.
- Check with the neighbors. If they’re missing Wednesday’s mail, we can be certain there’s a problem.
I’ve been dreading something like this. The rising threat of identity theft is one of the reasons I’ve been moving to a paperless personal finance system. We’re pretty diligent about shredding documents, but I’ve always felt the mailbox was the weak link in our security chain. It’s time we address that, I guess. Odds are nothing critical was taken. However, there’s a possibility that you’ll be seeing a lot of articles about identity theft here in the near future.
“One thing’s for sure,” Kris said. “Whoever stole our mail isn’t going to be impressed with the Netflix movies they got: True Grit and The Razor’s Edge.” HA!
Have you ever had your mail stolen? Can you offer us any advice? What can you tell us about post office boxes?
(See also the U.S. Postal Service’s guide to protecting your mail from thieves.)
Update
Our mail carrier just came to the door. She says that her route has had a terrible problem with mail theft lately, though not on this street. While we were with her, she called her supervisor, who said that we should contact the county sheriff’s non-emergency line and go to the USPS site to file a notice. The supervisor also noted that there was a huge bout of mail theft all over the area last week (not just on our carrier’s route). People are apparently after refund checks to fund their drug habits.
Our carrier told us a story about how one time she’d left mail in a fellow’s box, drove up the street and then back down, and the guy came out wondering where his mail was. In just a few minutes, it had been stolen. The guy eventually found it in some nearby bushes, torn open and left behind.
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February 15th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
I’m sorry this happened to you. Getting anything stolen from a supposedly secure location is always jarring to say the least. Hopefully they didn’t get anything with your identifying information and Netflix lets you off on this one.
February 15th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Yikes. I hope this turns out all right for you. For what it’s worth, I have terrible mail service, and Netflix has always been good to me with regard to reporting discs lost. Hopefully they didn’t get your SSNs! How upsetting the not knowing must be.
February 15th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
That’s really lousy. I hope they didn’t get anything important.
You might let your neighbors know, since if someone took your mail, they’d probably take someone else’s, as well.
Also, have you looked into a service like LifeLock? It’s pricey, but it might give you some peace of mind.
Finally, why not call your bank and find out if they put social security numbers on those interest statements, to be sure.
My SSN wasn’t on mine.
February 15th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
I live in a neighborhood that goes in and around a golf course. Its not a country club, but we do have on overall homeowners’ assocation. Since the area was built up in the early 80’s the mail has been delivered to standard mailboxes that were clustered 3-6 in a group. Over the last few years there’s been plenty of mail theft in the area, so the HOA got involved. It took nearly two years, but we now have secure 16 space locked mailboxes, the kind you often see in newer subdivisions. So nice to have the mail secure, not having to check on it through the afternoon. Even nicer to have a secure location for outbound mail.
Odds are that you’re not in an area with an HOA to set up large size locked setup, so I would probably look into a secured single mailbox. I’ve seen a few of those in the neighborhood that borders ours. I’ve never liked the idea of a PO box, the Post Office has never been in a convenient location relative to the house, work, or anything else.
February 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
I have been paranoid about this for years. A few years ago, our mailbox, which sits at the curb, was accidentally knocked over by a neighbor. The guy who came in to rebuild it (it’s brick) dissuaded my wife from putting in a secure box, and I’ve been worried about it ever since.
Half of the time when I’m working from home, I have my ear out for the mail truck so I can grab the mail as soon as it’s here.
I’ve reduced most of the financial mail we receive, but I’m still waiting for tax documents.
February 15th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Unfortunately I don’t have any sage advice to offer you, only my sympathies. From experience, small things like this generally get logged by the police but don’t expect anything to be done. My wife had her purse stolen out of our garage (kids left it unlocked) and the police did n-o-t-h-in-g. There were a rash of houses hit, so it was not just us either.
How do I know nothing was done you ask? Before one of the cards was canceled the thief charged up a bunch in the local Wal-mart self-checkout line. We found they had surveillance available, so i called the investigator in charge of our case…he wouldn’t even return my call. After three times I gave up.
Best of luck in your situation. Hopefully it leads to nothing more than a lost DVD.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
First, thanks for all the articles! Second, sorry this happened to you.
I have rented a PO Box close to my office and requested that all my mail be delivered there. I only had one problem, but a call to the company’s loss prevention department got a quick response. A PO Box is inexpensive insurance.
Gary
February 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
I’ve become something of a personal privacy nutcase over the last couple years and got my first PO Box back then and haven’t looked back. The nice thing about it is that your mail is always waiting for you, regardless of whether or not you’ve been on vacation or just too damned lazy to check it.
Most mail centers have extra services attached to their PO Box service. Some nice perks that I’ve enjoyed since I switched to a UPS PO Box: they let you phone in to inquire about whether you’ve got any mail to pick up, they give you 24 hour access to your mailbox (regardless of their hours), and will sign for packages on your behalf. Regardless of what mail center you go with, if you decide to get one at all, make sure to review their policies and services so that you can take full advantage of what they’ve got to offer you.
Most importantly, make sure that you rent from a mail center you can trust. It’s not hard to work up a friendly and/or personal relationship with someone you see behind the counter on a regular basis, and it will pay off in the end. My first PO Box got closed down by the IRS and had me pretty worried about what else might have been going on at the storefront that I didn’t know about. If I’d spent more time building a relationship with the gentleman who ran the place, I’m certain that I’d have picked up on a few hints that I didn’t catch until it was too late.
That being said, the laws that directly relate to running a mail center help guarantee your privacy and security much more than a mailbox at the end of your driveway. You should definitely consider this an option if you’re worried about identity theft.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I hope they did watch _True Grit_! It is a real inspiration when it comes to integrity.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
I really don’t know if we ever had our mail stolen. I doubt it though.
But the postman often drops in other people’s letters into our box. We take the trouble to re-post them.
We have often wondered if others do the same.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
I’ve found my mail on the side of the road a house away, and I’ve found mail in my mailbox opened by someone but left there. Mailboxes really aren’t that secure, are they?
I opened a PO Box when I was engaged because you give your address to so many potential vendors and end up on all sorts of mailing lists. I didn’t want to deal with the wedding stuff once we were married. After the wedding I wasn’t great about checking it regulary, and eventually I missed a bill for the PO Box which had been sent to the PO Box and they gave the box to someone else.
A few years later, I opened a mailbox with what’s now the UPS Store. I really like that situation. They will take any package that needs to be signed for upon delivery and keep it secured. All the mailboxes are individually secured. I can hand my address out online or to strange companies and not worry as much about people knowing where I live from that information.
Last year, there was an incident with one of my neighbors. He speaks Vietnamese and I think has Alzheimers. He was trying to have me take him somewhere in my car, but I didn’t know where he wanted to go, and he didn’t understand what I was telling him. Eventually the police came because while I was trying to help the guy he locked himself out of the house, plus he seemed confused. Throughout the whole situation, I saw him go through 3 or 4 mailboxes and pull out the mail and look at it. He didn’t understand that it wasn’t his mail. So perhaps that explains the mystery behind what happened with my mail.
The only thing I don’t like about the current setup is that some companies (B&H Photo in particular) won’t ship to a hotel, po box or private mail box like at the UPS store. I don’t want my new, usually valuable equipment laying around the front porch waiting for me.
One nice thing about having a mailbox at a place like UPS store is that at least with the one I use, I can call them up and ask if there is a specific package or letter waiting for me.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
I opened a private mailbox when I was renting a house (which did not have a secure mailbox). I hated the extra expense but didn’t want my mail stolen. Last year I bought a condo and now I have a secure entry and mailbox, so I canceled the private box. The problem: private mail outlets like these will not forward your mail. I checked with another private mailbox center and they told me the same thing. Don’t know if it’s a Seattle thing or what, but it’s incredibly inconvenient. I actually ended up paying for the mailbox for a few extra months, to be sure all my mail was going to the correct address. So if you go the private route, check on this so you know for future reference.
February 16th, 2008 at 12:01 am
This mailbox covered in bees may help:
http://www.sembabees.org/gallery/mailbox_bees.html
February 16th, 2008 at 1:22 am
We have a PO box. I don’t mind paying the extra money for it. Our mailbox is on a busy street with a lot of foot traffic.
February 16th, 2008 at 1:42 am
I live in apartment with locked mailboxes, but my parents live in a neighbourhood where on occasion there is a problem with mail theft. They invested in a mailbox with a lock, so that mail can easily be put in, but cannot be taken out without a key (it’s pretty big too). Then they don’t have to deal with the inconvenience of a post office or UPS store box.
This is pretty much the one they have:
http://www.themailboxsuperstore.com/post-mount-mailboxes/aluminum/pinnaclelockingmailboxheavyduty.cfm?source=affiliates&bid=155641&aid=CD3286&opt=
A bit pricey, but could be worth it in the long run.
February 16th, 2008 at 1:45 am
Our first home had a free-opening mailbox as well as a slot at the front door. First thing we did when we moved in was remove the mailbox. I’m not sure if the postal workers appreciated the springy snap-shut of the front door slot but it eased my mind about the whole identity theft thing. The door slot wasn’t large enough for certain packages and when we weren’t home sometimes Canada Post would leave them on the doorstep kind of concealed beside the chimney. They are supposed to leave a card telling you to pick it up at the nearest post office but this wasn’t always the case.
My parents switched to a post office box because it was more convenient for them, however we cannot send any packages to them from Australia because Australia Post will not ship to a P.O. box in Canada so we have to send any packages for them to my sister who luckily lives nearby.
Our new place here in Australia has row of free-standing mail boxes on a wooden post and brick type base at the end of the shared driveway. They have a swinging lid with a loop at the back for a padlock and we promptly put one on. A few of the neighbours have followed our example, although not all. Even so the slot at the front of the box is large enough to be tampered with i.e., if someone were so inclined they could reach in and grab some mail. A few months ago opened mail from addresses a few streets over from ours was discovered in the local park by a groundskeeper. The post office ran an article in the local paper and said it had re-delivered the mail to its intended recipients but who knows what was pilfered from the opened envelopes.
The mail slot in the door seemed like a pretty good solution although you’d have to live in an area where mail was delivered to your door and I don’t know how you would resolve the whole package thing. A post office box if it is convenient for you would also seem like a good solution although if you receive packages often from certain countries you would have to check whether or not they will be accepted. Hope this is helpful. Good luck with finding the best solution for you.
February 16th, 2008 at 1:53 am
If you’ve got a heightened risk for identity theft because the stolen mail may include a stolen SSN, you can file a 90 day fraud alert with Equifax (or one of the other two major agencies) and then request a free credit report even if you’ve just gotten one from annualcreditreport.com. I just went through this myself after finding mysterious, electronically-issued checks in my bank account.
February 16th, 2008 at 3:44 am
As I’m not from the states and so I don’t exactly understand why there’s a difference, but in the UK practically every house has a letterbox in the door, so the mail falls onto the doormat inside (or as our used to do, into the gap where the floorboards didn’t meet the doorframe!). The only issue is that letters have to be pushed right through the letterbox, otherwise they hang out and can still be stolen. Would it not be possible to put a letterbox in your door? It seems quite strange to me to just have a box in the front garden…
February 16th, 2008 at 3:51 am
I think paperless is the best long term solution.
I get practically no mail, and I only pick up mail once a week (I have a secure mailbox in my apartment complex). I only get 3-4 important pieces of mail per year if that - things like new credit cards, new driver’s license, jury summons, and that’s pretty much it. Most of the mail I do receive is balance transfer checks.
Doesn’t Netflix have streaming service now? Sorry, but I could not imagine messing with mailing DVD’s back and forth with the technology available today.
February 16th, 2008 at 5:03 am
I think you are blowing this out of proportion. You have jumped all the way to identity theft simply because a single Netflix movie hasn’t arrived on time.
This is probably nothing. Don’t be sucked in by all the news and hype over identity theft.
True identity theft is a very serious but also pretty rare occurance. It’s more likely the movie is being watched by your mail carrier or lodged behind a postal bin somewhere. Wait a week, tell Netflix it never arrived and move on.
February 16th, 2008 at 5:14 am
I have had my mail stolen. Checks were used to purchase meth making supplies. It took over a year before the person was caught. You are wise to pay very close attention to everything. IF something was stolen, you need to report it to the police and to the postmaster in your area. You will need those documents in case your identity is stolen. There may be a pattern in the neighborhood and the police will want to know about your incident. We bought a locking mailbox, but my children were able to get mail out of it. A door slot worked great. Good luck and thanks for a great website!
February 16th, 2008 at 6:08 am
I think the steps you’ve outlined are good, but you also might want to check with your wife’s bank, and any other entities you haven’t yet received tax documents from, to double check when (and if) those went out. It will either give you some assurance (if they haven’t gone out yet) or give you some idea as to when the problem started.
February 16th, 2008 at 6:15 am
If your letter carrier will walk to your door, I’d put a good mail slot in the door. I have one in my current house, and I’d never go back now.
(Incidentally, I also have a PO box for some business stuff, and it’s a pain to visit, even though it’s local to me.)
February 16th, 2008 at 6:33 am
I would check with the PO. I use PaperBackSwap a lot, and many people use the USPS’s Delivery Confirmation system and can track a package’s progress online. We’ve all noticed that it often takes several days from the time a PBS book is received by the local PO to the time it actually arrives in the recipient’s mailbox. It’s also possible that your mail was misdelivered, and it might be taking a while to be redelivered to you.
My mother got scared about mail theft and had a mail slot put in her door. She feels a lot more secure about her mail, but it does mean that there’s mail on the floor a lot of the time, since she can’t bend over very well to pick it up (and can’t put a box or table under the slot, since the door has to open). I once looked at a house from the 1930s that had a slot in the wall next to the door, with a ledge underneath. I thought that was ingenious. I’ve never seen another one like it.
February 16th, 2008 at 6:48 am
That sucks. Hopefully, it wasn’t stolen and it will arrive today. When I moved to my home, they were still building out the development they temporarily put all the unlocked mailboxes right next to each other until they put them in front of the individual houses. Eventually, they decided to do a mailstation with locked mailboxes. I’m happy that I don’t have to worry about anyone just taking my mailout of my mailbox now.
February 16th, 2008 at 7:02 am
I’m glad we don’t have mailboxes in the UK - means i don’t have to worry about it getting nicked (unless the thief is actually *in* the house, in which case i have a whole load of other problems to worry about instead, lol) and plus i don’t have to go outside into the cold to collect my parcels! I love the *idea* of a mailbox, but practically speaking i think i’d hate it. I’d definitely have a secure one, if i had to have one at all.
Sorry to hear you may have had some stuff stolen, i hope you’re able to sort it all out and make things a bit more secure for the future.
@MJ - Alot of elderly folks here in the UK have boxes under their letter slots, and they’re in the door. The box is just attached to the back of the door, so the door still opens. Folks with dogs have them too, so their mail doesn’t get chewed to pieces by their pets!
February 16th, 2008 at 7:12 am
One solution is to get a mailbox with a lock on it and a slot for putting the mail into. This is an alternative to a letter slot if your mail carrier won’t allow you one. It’s cheaper than a PO box b/c you don’t have to pay continually. You can make it yourself with a reciprocating saw and a tin mailbox. Just padlock it. If you need to post letters you can attach a clothespin on the exterior or something more attractive if you are particular.
We have a letterbox at home (Portland, OR). Even a nifty frame for it so the letters don’t spill on the ground. Our mailcarrier doesn’t mind comming to our house, she actually appreciates the community.
February 16th, 2008 at 7:35 am
http://www.earthclassmail.com
This is the best new way for mail. I think they would allow a discount for an known blogger. I have not tried it but look forward to your review good or bad.
February 16th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Are you sure it was stolen? I live in Chicago and the postal department here is terribly understaffed. It took the post office department 11 days to get my Netflix return from zip code 60614 to their facility in zip code 60680 (14 blocks from my apartment). And I always use the post office. You’re asking for trouble if you use the blue boxes on the street corners.
If you feel your mail has been stolen, call your local post office and ask for the fraud and security unit. They ask you some questions over the phone, and send you a copy of their report for your records. Be prepared. Their favorite word is misdirected.
Good luck. I know what you’re going through.
February 16th, 2008 at 7:40 am
We had a neighborhood problem with stolen mail a few years ago including SS checks, etc. that were ending up with a ring of thieves in San Jose CA instead of the neighborhor’s bank accounts. My husband and I contacted the post office and they put in the locking mailboxes for everyone. We just had to lay a concrete pad for the boxes to be secured to. The neighbors all pitched in for the cost and my husband laid the concrete. We had to wait a few days for the post office to get the boxes in stock but once they had them they were put right in. Now everyone has their own key, we have two large parcel boxes, and we have had no problems since.
I am sorry to hear you had stuff stolen. That is a miserble feeling.
February 16th, 2008 at 7:40 am
I live in California and have had the same post box for 30 years still Cara is correct in saying that if I want to stop using it they wont forward my mail. On the other hand, I have lived in 10 different places since I started using this box and I have never lost a piece of mail. And, something about being able to use this address has given me both stability and anonymity. But that’s just me and my 60’s sensibility that learned that the less “they” know about us the better.
February 16th, 2008 at 7:49 am
JD, if you’re really worried about identity theft, you could put a block on your credit. Oh heck, I’ve forgotten the exact term for it. But what it does is it makes it impossible for anybody (even yourself) to open credit on your ssn without your written approval on a case by case basis.
If your tax documents were stolen with your ssn, I would think it would be more likely that they’d try to use it to do something like that (or do something like use it to gain an improper id) than try to use an existing credit card. It’s not like your wallet was stolen.
Otherwise a box at a post office isn’t really very expensive, and you could use it for sensitive mail while still getting unsensitive mail delivered to your home.
February 16th, 2008 at 8:17 am
I’m sorry this happened to you. I’m going through something similar and I hate the stress!
February 16th, 2008 at 8:20 am
Something similar happened to me a couple years ago. I had ordered some DVDs at the same time as tax season and when they came I had 3 tax forms in the mailbox. Thankfully whoever stole my mail took the DVDs and left the tax stuff in the parking lot of an apartment complex a few blocks away. They opened them, but I’m fairly certain they were just looking for checks. It would have made for quite an interesting audit, “Sir, why are there tire tread marks on your form 1099?” Though my solution was to move out of that crappy neighborhood, I’ve also had a PO box for an unrelated reason. The small one I rented recently was only $24 a year. Plus a hefty $1 deposit for the key. I don’t really think it’s necessary, but if it gives you peace of mind that only postal employees can steal your mail, go ahead.
February 16th, 2008 at 8:20 am
Just to be clear — I realize that it’s unlikely that anything bad will come of this (other than missing mail), but I feel like I should take some minimal precautions just to be safe. The idea of a credit freeze is a good one. A GRS reader has asked me to write on this subject, anyhow, so this might be a good time to research it…
Somebody mentioned having mail stolen and then turn up dumped a few houses away. This has happened to us before, too, at our old house. I forgot about that. I’ll check the bushes and the side of the road.
The most likely scenario in my head is that some kid was just rifling through boxes looking for something good. Like True Grit.
February 16th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Oooh yeah, definitely write about doing a credit freeze. My husband did one on his account and I’ll be doing one on my account just as soon as I know I’m not co-signing a loan for a family member.
February 16th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Contact Netflix and report these as stolen (I’m sure you already have). Apparently Netflix theft within the post office is not uncommon. I’m not blasting the post office as they are generally highly ethical, but there will always be some bad seeds.
Also I’ve often wondered why netflix is in a bright red envelope - seems they would want to go with a less conspicious packaging to make their items less noticable to thieves. But I’m sure the benefits of marketing with a bright color far outweigh the costs of some theft.
February 16th, 2008 at 9:02 am
There is an excellent article in the January 2008 Reader’s Digest magazine that you could get from the library on Identify Theft. This issue also has an article entitled: Avoid These Debit Card Traps.
I have the keyed mailbox that is a cluster, which is great. The only problem is that there have been at least 5 times when a neighbor has brought me mail that the mailman put in her box!
February 16th, 2008 at 9:38 am
That had to be a sick feeling when you realized what had happened! We have electronically automated most of our bills etc., but you make a good point about the tax documents that show up this time of the year. Unfortunately, there is not much that can be done to automate that.
I hope that that the person who ripped you off was only after the movies.
Best Wishes,
D4L
February 16th, 2008 at 9:46 am
I bought a nice sized locking mailbox for my front porch. I think this would be the easiest solution.
February 16th, 2008 at 9:48 am
http://www.chiasso.com/shopping/modern-outdoor/modern-outdoor-accessories.aspx
Instead of a PO Box, you could get mailbox with a sturdy keys…this is just something I came
accross lately…
Its a bit pricey, but saves you time from going
back and forth to the post office to retrieve mail….
February 16th, 2008 at 10:26 am
I feel your concern about the possibility of stolen mail. In my neighborhood open old style mailboxes on the street are the norm. I lived with this many years but always felt a bit uneasy about it. Seems we were always needing to be cognizant when the mail arrived to hurry out and get it.
Due to an incident with my wife’s mother confronting an old guy (apparently mentally stricken) going through our mailbox when she went out to pick up the mail it was finally time for me to do something. Can’t have 80+ year olds fighting in the street!
I purchased a locking “Architectural Mailboxes, Oasis Mailbox” from Amazon, around $200, and anchored it in. I highly recommend doing it. Along with regular mail, small packages (such as mail-order prescriptions) easily slip into it. That purchase, although not cheap, has greatly reduced my mail anxiety.
Thieves look for easy targets. If they have to spend time and make noise banging open a mailbox for uncertain gain they will pass it by and look for an easier victim. Now having my mailbox out on the street where all passerby’s can see it is an advantage.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Do you have to pay Netflix for the missing movies? What is their policy?
I’ve had mail delievered to the wrong house before. And also received my neighbor’s mail, so it could be an accident.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:42 am
I now have a PO box after our mail was stolen 10 years ago. We still get newspapers in the mailbox but now all the financial stuff goes to the PO Box. Yes, it is a pain to have to drive many miles to get my mail, but I only have to do it weekly as I rented a large PO box.
When I realized that my and my neighbors mail had been stolen, I went through my file cabinet and called everyone who could possibly have sent me anything and had them resend it to my PO box and did a change of address at that time. I went to my banks and had both of them put a security code in place instead of using the last 4 of my ssn.
Six months after my mail was stolen, the jerks tried to use a credit card (that I had not requested and did not know was stolen) in a town 90 miles from my home. They ran away and dropped the credit card and the only reason I even knew it existed was because the security tracked my phone number down and called me.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:49 am
I have that slot in the wall near the door, with the ledge underneath. Very handy. My house was built in 1929.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:53 am
A few comments mentioned Lifelock. I am curious to read your opinion about this service. Personally, I am toying with the idea of obtaining this service. However, identity theft is a serious matter and whereas home owner’s insurance only covers a small amount, Lifelock becomes quite the consideration. I encourage you to post on it, I value your opinion.
With that in mind, I have been tempted to open a Post Office box. I have been hesitant for some time, as my living situation has changed. Yet knowing my mail will always be there is a comforting thought.
Please keep us posted on this rather unfortunate matter.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:01 am
My mail was stolen from a secure mailbox which required a key to open located in front of the house. Similar situation — came home to find the mailbox door open, thought it was weird, but didn’t think much else about it, thought maybe the mail lady hadn’t closed it properly. Then, after a few more days passed and my first paycheck from my new job hadn’t arrived, I started to get concerned. Called the payroll department and discovered that yes, the check should have arrived. Had the company cancel the original check and issue a new one, and filed a report with the police. Turns out the police found my mail along with lots of other peoples’ mail a week or so later in a stolen car in the neighboring county. The person was arrested and she eventually pled guilty.
First thing I did after filing the police report was call my bank and report the incident, same with my credit card account. Provided the police report number to both, so they’d have a record of it if I discovered any unsual charges that shouldn’t have been there.
Anyway, I highly recommend getting a PO box at your local US post office. It can be a bit of a hassle especially if you’re expecting a package because you’ll have to go to the PO during their business hours to pick it up. But I wouldn’t trade the security of the PO box for the insecurity of even a supposedly secure mailbox — which anyone with the right tools and/or time and incentive can pop open.
As someone else commented, the police weren’t interested about finding out what might have happened to my mail since it’s such a common problem now. But if I hadn’t filed the report, they wouldn’t have contacted me when they did find my mail.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:05 am
I lived in Atlanta when I graduated from College. My first apartment was not in a nice area of town (think gangs) but I never had any problems there (unless you count scary laundry facilities). Then I got a much better job and moved to an apartment in one of the more “upscale” suburbs of Atlanta. We had locked, centralized mailboxes. Unfortunately, that didn’t really help when there was someone in the local post office stealing mail before it even went out to be delivered. They were apparently part of a large theft ring. I had two “pre-approved” credit card applications stolen and two credit cards open in my name. Fortunately, one of the companies realized quickly that it was fraudulent and actually called me and got it taken care of quickly. The second one I found out about a few weeks later when they started calling me for late payments on a credit card bill of several thousand dollars. Because I already had all the info from the first one the second one was relatively easy to clear up. However, my credit report had known “drop houses” as former addresses for me for years even though the fruadulent cards were no longer on my report.
My roommate got dinged by one credit card also. The worst though was another friend that lived in the same complex that had a box of checks stolen. They had a fake id made in her name with a different picture on it and they wrote checks all over town. They drained her account and she became listed as a check bouncer at stores all over the city. It took her years to get it all straightened out. That experience taught me to never have checks mailed to you. I hardly ever use paper checks any more but it is my policy since this happened to have the checks shipped to my bank branch and I pick them up there.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:17 am
I now have a PO box after our mail was stolen 10 years ago. We still get newspapers in the mailbox but now all the financial stuff goes to the PO Box. Yes, it is a pain to have to drive many miles to get my mail, but I only have to do it weekly as I rented a large PO box.
When I realized that my and my neighbors mail had been stolen, I went through my file cabinet and called everyone who could possibly have sent me anything and had them resend it to my PO box and did a change of address at that time. I went to my banks and had both of them put a security code in place instead of using the last 4 of my ssn.
Six months after my mail was stolen, the jerks tried to use a credit card (that I had not requested and did not know was stolen) in a town 90 miles from my home. They ran away and dropped the credit card and the only reason I even knew it existed was because the security tracked my phone number down and called me.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:45 am
At my apartment complex, regular mail is delivered into locked P.O.-style boxes in the vestibule. Packages, however, are just left next to the mailboxes, and sometimes they have disappeared or been opened for their contents. Even some packages that other residents have moved into the lobby (unattended; no doorman or concierge) have been stolen by kleptomaniacal residents. (One person had 60 unopened packages in her apartment when she was finally tracked down!) So you can get sabotaged by folks inside as well as transient thieves.
My solution: I have all packages delivered to my retired parents, who are home to receive them most of the time; or to my workplace. Both good options when dealing with companies that won’t deliver to P.O. boxes.
February 16th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Tom - You do not have to pay netflix for missing movies. But they do keep track of it to make sure you don’t report too many missing. I had one that I put in an outside postal box that never made it to the Netflix warehouse (which is one zipcode over from me - about 2 miles from my house). They asked all sorts of question about where I dropped it off and such. It was almost as if they needed my information because they suspected the postal center more than me. In my case it was either lost or stolen at the PO.
February 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
A secured personal mailbox like at a UPS store is a great idea. I’ve had one for about 10 years. Please note I highly recommend a UPS store box over a PO box - you can’t get fedex or UPS deliveries to PO boxes.
The UPS store mail box signs for packages and keeps my mail secure. I can call them up to see if a package has arrived. I can check the mail at any hour and I can even have them forward my mail to another address if I want.
Anyhow, yeah, UPS store box rocks. Other things - you want to talk to a postal
inspector about your mail concerns. They actually care. The police? Not so much.
Call up all three credit agencies and tell them you want to put a fraud alert on your account. It’s free and lasts for 90 days. This will make it harder for someone to get credit without you being contacted. I’d recommend a service like http://www.privacyguard/frank as well to get unlimited access to your credit reports and look at them on at least a quarterly basis. If your identity is stolen, a smart thief isn’t going to use the identity immediately. They’re going to wait awhile till your not expecting it.
I personally put a security freeze on my credit files. This can make getting credit on your account, even legitimately, a complete pain in the ass - but is that such a bad thing?
If you do decide someone actually stole your info, you should contact the FBI as well; they won’t help you, but getting accurate numbers about issues like identity theft allows them to better align their resources.
February 16th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
We’ve used a Mailboxes, Etc. (now UPS) box for many years, and have been very happy with it. One location went out of business before the switch to UPS, which was annoying, but UPS seems to have more stable franchisees. Most of the problems I’ve ever heard about are people who go to the other mail services that often aren’t as stable.
We’ve had many things stolen out of our mailbox here, so I would never consider having anything truly important or valuable (like Netflix) sent to the street address. Unfortunately, some people insist on using that address no matter how many times I ask that they not do so. My mother kept doing that, and several birthday cards with checks in them were stolen before she switched to using our mailing address.
I’ve considered installing a locking box, but I’ve always wondered how secure they really are unless you have them mounted in brick or the like. If it’s just a box on a pole, what’s to stop someone taking the whole contraption? Probably a silly concern, but with thieves using bulldozers to take our ATMs, it does occur to me.
February 16th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
The MAIN reason I have had my mail delivered to a PO Box for close to 20 years!
February 16th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Be aware that not all PO boxes are available 24/7. I got a PO box in my destination city when I moved, but didn’t realize you could access the boxes only during business hours, which were something like 9-4 during the week and 9-noon on Saturday.
Companies were supposed to have mailed tax documents by the end of January.
February 16th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
It could be very possible the mail sorters decided to slack off that day or a mail bag with your mail in it was “misplaced” (read: stuffed under a table somewhere in the sorting facility.) Happens all the time, especially in large cities where they can’t handle all the mail in 1 day. I’ve lived in urban apartments most of my life (with locked mailboxes) and had many days where there’s no mail at all. And we get TONS of junk mail daily.
All I can say is make sure your locked box’s latch is strong and keep it in good repair, very easy to jimmy those open if they’re weak.
Put a fraud alert on your credit reports too! Good luck!
February 16th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
I don’t have any advice that you haven’t already covered. Mail theft worries me sometimes but I’d not heard of it happening to anyone I know. I hope it turns out fine for you. Good luck.
February 16th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I’d love if you blog about the outcome of this. I’m curious and a little worried for you - not that I’m going to loose sleep over it, though.
I have always lived in buildings with locked boxes and I have packages delivered to my work where someone else can sign for them. That security is not something I’m willing to let go of. I’m so used to it, I haven’t even thought of what I’ll do when I finally buy a house. I guess I’ll get a PO box - I don’t trust a regular old mail box - not with what’s been happening in all these posts!
February 16th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
One of the first things I did when I moved into my current house was to have a locking mailbox installed. Mail goes in, but it doesn’t come out unless you have a key. I doubt a thief is going to take the time to wrest the entire box and pole out of the ground—-just to get my JCrew catalog—-when there’s a nice, unlocked box just down the way.
Last summer, my car was broken into—when the car alarm went off at 4 a.m. (I didn’t even know it worked!) I ran into the street in my PJ’s (I’m not so smart at 4 a.m.) and saw a car cruising down the street, stopping at each mailbox. Now, maybe this WASN’T the person who was trying to get into my car, maybe it was a newspaper delivery guy. Or maybe it was the same person who’s stealing YOUR mail, J.D.! (-:
Anyway, I created a flyer about the car break in and about the possible mail theft, and blanketed my neighborhood with it. I’ll bet your neighbors would be happy to know that this is happening too, J.D., so they can keep a better eye on their boxes. . . .
I recommend a locking mailbox. You could also consider electronic delivery of bank statements, etc, but then there’s the issue of online identity theft!
Best of luck!
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February 16th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Getting mail stolen is the pits. I’ve always insisted on a locking box, despite my wife’s allegation I am just paranoid.
I have only had my identification stolen one time. Some guy got hold of my name, address and Discover card number. So what did he buy with it? An ad in an Arkansas paper using my name as the purchaser but giving his real name and phone number in the ad. No one accused him of being bright.
My wife had her purse stolen once on the light rail. Whoever stole it kept the purse but then dumped all of her ID and credit cards on the sidewalk. Apparently just looking for cash. Someone found my cell phone number in the pile of stuff and called us so she got lucky that time and no one used her identity.
Hope it all works well for you. Make sure you sign for a credit report monitoring service for the next year or so.
February 16th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Your post office will charge you $ 5.67 per month ($68 per year) for a box. (I know, because we live in the same city.) If mail theft is a problem, it is well worth the nominal expense.
I don’t have this problem because I have a mail slot that comes into my home–gotta love those 1929 houses!
February 16th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Hope it’s just a false alarm, but other than the ideas mentioned, consider this option, too. (Not sure if it’s available in your state.)
https://www.trustedid.com/html/identity_theft_protection_resource_001.php
February 16th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
I have a PO box even though I’m pretty cheap. My bank refused to send mail to a PO Box. I think I should press this issue and change banks if they can’t send documents to that box.
Carol
February 16th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Earlier this week, I got a letter from the management of my apartment complex informing tenants that rent checks had been stolen from the office’s mailbox. Although the apartment buildings themselves are locked, the mailbox was located in the entryway of one of the buildings, which is accessible to anyone. So the management has now decided to move the mailbox INSIDE the building, which only tenants can enter — duh!
Fortunately, my rent check wasn’t one of the ones that was stolen. I have never liked online banking so much as when I was able to log in and see an image of my check and know it had been cashed by the apartment complex.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Someone on the bank’s staff may know when the interest statement was sent out.
I’m still waiting for a 1099 so I have my credit union’s interest income statement. It DOES have my social security number on it, but it does not have the account number. Mine was mailed January 30, which is the alleged deadline, isn’t it? Seems like you should have received it by now.
Mail theft is a big problem in my neighborhood. One day I got a call from a lady who lived in the War Zone to the north of me; she said someone had stuck my power bill into her mailbox, open and sans the check I’d mailed.
A lot of people around here have locking mailboxes, and some of them have had brick or block pillars built to hold mailboxes, to discourage people from hammering them with baseball bats.
Those group mailboxes, according to our mail carriers, are the worst: all the newer developments around here have them, and they get robbed all the time.
I’ve not bothered to buy a locking box, because it’s a hassle. Instead, I pay my bills electronically, have my paychecks deposited automatically, and minimize delivery of clients’ money to my home address. When I have to send a check, I physically carry it to the post office.
Reading all the headaches commenters here describe, I think I’ll look in to getting a P.O. box, too! UPS sounds great but it’s too far away. I think at our post office you can walk in to the lobby even outside of business hours to get your mail.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
for those of you who havent done their taxes for 07, i recommend setting up the direct deposit feature like the one turbotax offers online for free. Its safer thank mail. Sorry about that J.D.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
You can get a simple locking/secure mail box for $150-200. It has a small slot up top for the mail, then a larger locked door underneath for your access. Down side is it doesn’t accept boxes or very thick packages so those will need to be delivered to your door. I’ve never had an issue with mine. If some one is totally determined they could take a sledgehammer to it or pry it open I’m sure, but most of the folks that steal mail want in and out in a matter of seconds.
Also, as you already have mail stolen, I would assume the worst. Call all your banks, all your credit cards, etc. and take a position of your identity having already been stolen and take every and all steps to secure your bank accounts, your ssn, and all other personal info (utility accounts #s for example).
Good luck!
February 17th, 2008 at 4:47 am
One reason we use the UPS Store for our mailbox is that the address doesn’t look like a PO Box, but can appear as an apartment or street number. Places that will not deliver to a PO Box don’t balk at our address, 99% of the time. The fact that they’ll accept packages for us from anyone (not just UPS) is a nice bonus.
I initially used such a mailbox due to privacy and security concerns. I’ve found that reputable private companies are far less likely to tell someone who rents a particular box without a subpoena than the USPS is - they’ve been known to give that information out to just about anyone who asks. I think they consider it a matter of public record. With a private firm, it’s a contractual matter, and it stays private.
February 17th, 2008 at 4:53 am
That is pretty scary to think about. I think it’s one of the main reasons I do everything electronically. Even my refund checks are submitted electronically. You still have to worry about hackers, but they are probably less than desperate druggies.
I’ll definitely be looking into a locking mailbox.
February 17th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Maybe its my own naivety, but what does a thief do with a stolen check? Whenever I need to cash a check, the bank teller always checks my ID. I’m not doubting they would steal them, I’m just curious as to the mechanism.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:25 am
I put a credit application addressed to a different address into my mailbox. When it’s no there, we knew it was stolen. No one believed us until that piece of mail was missing. We did ask the mailman, and he didn’t take it, so someone had a key to our box. I was complaining that our apt building should be responsible, but they weren’t going to spend money on anything that wouldn’t bring in new leases. I don’t live there anymore.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Our neighborhood has had mail theft problems as well. Most of the homes are older with a slot where mail drops inside your home. For the folks with exterior boxes, many have opted for a locking box. You just have to make sure your postal worker has a key also. It’s a good idea to give an additional key to a neighbor for when you are out of town. The link listed above by Deborah: http://www.themailboxsuperstore.com/post-mount-mailboxes/aluminum/pinnaclelockingmailboxheavyduty.cfm?source=affiliates&bid=155641&aid=CD3286&opt= shows one version. That same site (under a search on “locking”) shows several more in various styles and pricing. It’s worth it to get it. But rest assured that the theives were likely looking for quick cash, not identity theft.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:46 am
You need to keep checking your credit report. Even if someone were to commit fraud against you today–and they could very well wait a while–it might not show up in your credit report for a few months. Don’t trust that because your report shows nothing fraudulent now that you’re home free.
Contact anyone you think may have sent anything important recently to find out if they actually did. That’ll help you narrow down what might have gone missing.
Good luck!
February 17th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I haven’t had mail stolen, but:
We sold our house two years ago and moved to a retirement community. I still work - self employed - and of course notified all my customers of my new address, but some don’t pay atrention so even after forwarding expired, soe checks still got sent to my old address.
Do you think the jerk that bought our house could have tossed them back to the postman so that they could have been returned to sender? Nope - the *$%@ even has my email address, so he could have TOLD me he had checks and I would have driven to pick them up. But nooooo, the lazy %$#@! apparently just throws them away..
Some people.. if *I* get a check that does not belong to me I make every effort to get it where it DOES belong or at least returned to the sender - that’s just ordinary human courtesy. But not this $%%@!..
February 17th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
@JD
Credit freeze..yeah that’s the term I was looking for! I better take more ginko.
On this subject, I just noticed my complex posted a sign at our mailbox island warning people not to leave mail in their boxes overnight to avoid theft. I guess they don’t feel too secure about those locking mailboxes.
February 17th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
I feel your pain, I live on a street that is fairly busy and I tend to not be around when the mail is dropped of so plenty of time exists for someone to come and take it.
It is a shame you cannot trust people these days.
Derrick
February 17th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
icup:
Crooks have a way of washing the ink off checks and writing them anew. So they could erase and rewrite the payee and amount on a check and keep the signature.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
I haven’t had paper mail stolen because our mailboxes lock at this apartment building. However, I’ve had three packages stolen. I don’t know what my mail carrier is smoking, because he knows about this neighborhood and he leaves them out there anyway. Or he did–I finally wrote a note on the box to remind him not to leave anything out there. Unfortunately, not before my daughter’s birthday present from me was left outside and stolen. It was just a toy broom, so it serves the idiots right, but I still felt horrible.
I have no idea what to do about that, either, other than complain. Unless a USPS package has delivery confirmation on it, I can’t prove it was sent to me anyway. So I guess I would recommend that if anyone here wants to send a package to a loved one via the postal service, you’d do well to go ahead and splurge the less than a dollar it costs to have something the post office can track.
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February 18th, 2008 at 7:26 am
JD - Is there a post office (USPS or private) within biking/short commuting distance for you? It might be worth it for you to sign up for a PO Box system to have the reason to leave the house every couple of days as you switch to working at home. (And you’re still at home for packages that can’t be delivered to PO Boxes).
February 18th, 2008 at 10:25 am
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February 18th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Hmm–the mailboxes here are secure (meaning you need a key to open)–I thought most neighborhoods were transitioning to this type of mailbox.
If not, I say get the PO Box.
That being said, I do get mail returned to me by neighbors and one time had someone call me about a package delivered to a totally different street on the other side of town.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
And even though my mailbox has a secure outgoing box, I had a previous bad experience at my old apt which had locked mailboxes but an open outgoing mail tray.
I always drop my mail off at my local post office. Even if after closing, they have slots usually open 24/7.
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February 18th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
The people who are recommending PO boxes or mail stores have a good point.
I use the UPS Store (previously a Mail Boxes Etc.) method of dealing with mail. The only things that go to the house are things from the state, who stupidly insist that you get mail where you live, and a couple of inconsequential bills so that I have something to show the tax twits when they try to say I don’t live in my house because of the UPS Store box.
All my vital stuff goes to the UPS Store. No missing mail that I know of. I do drop mail in corner boxes when sending, as my house box is just a box with a lid. I can mail from the UPS Store also. I find the expense worth being able to receive anything from anyone. If a carrier turtle brings in a package with my name or number on it, they’ll take it. The largest item to date was a TV on a private delivery truck.
As for not being able to forward mail, that is not the fault of the private mail store. The technical term is Commercial Mail Receiving Agent (CMRA). The Post Office hates these things and paints them as dubious businesses when they can. The Post Office does not allow CMRAs to forward mail. This is deliberate in an attempt to make them seem inferior to the Post Office.
I have no complaints. Nearly a decade of reliable service. Sorry if I made this sound like an ad.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Actually, I’ve had two different Mailboxes, Etc. franchises forward mail for me in the past. To do so, though, I had to give them a certain amount of money on deposit to pay for postage, and when that was up, they’d give me a call. They just sent a package every week or two, depending on how much mail had come. They didn’t bother forwarding junk, thankfully!
I’d done business with both locations for many years, and knew the proprietors quite well, so I don’t know if this is something they’d be willing to do for every customer, or if the laws have been tightened since the last time I had need for it.
February 19th, 2008 at 9:32 am
This is the very reason we happily dropped our Netflix 6 years ago. They decided we lived in a “high-crime” area and suspended our account for having too many missing DVDs. Of course, if we paid for the missing DVDs, they’d let us come back. We pointed out that no one in their right mind would have stolen The Red Violin twice, and that we’d moved since being a customer. And it isn’t legal to discriminate against us based on where we live for a mail-based service. They finally let us leave without making us pay for all the missing DVDs.
February 21st, 2008 at 12:10 pm
A person I knew stole a tax document I’d received in the mail. It turned into a nightmare.
My advice:
-Find out everything you can about what financial documents you might be missing: was your SSN or account number on the docs, when they were mailed, etc.
-Add a verbal password to your financial accounts that could potentially be compromised. Just call customer service and ask to add a verbal password. (In my case, I didn’t do this right away, so the person used the info on my tax docs to get access to ALL my bank account numbers. Then she started printing and writing bad checks on my account!)
-DO file a police report, and get a copy of the report. They probably won’t do a thing, but if you start suffering losses, some banks will require a copy of the report.
-Don’t bother with identify theft protection. Most banks offer zero liability in fraud cases, and those services generally only cover actual losses, NOT the hours you will spend dealing with getting phony charges reversed, etc.
-Keep all relevant documents together in a single place. Document every person you speak to about this, what was said, what you asked for, what they promised to do for you.
-Ask the post office to require photo ID before accepting a change of address for you. ID theives like to re-route your mail so they can get more of your info.
-You can place a fraud alert or freeze on your credit report. Freeze is more cumbersome for you, but is airtight. A fraud alert is ignore-at-will.
-If you suspect bank account information was leaked, ask the bank if you should close/re-open your accounts.
Good luck!
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April 14th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Sorry this happened to you but I’m glad I found this website. Today, the carrier delivered an envelope that was clearly tampered with and its contents removed. I didn’t touch the envelope and asked the carrier (who was still putting mail in our unsecured boxes) to retrieve the item and then asked him if he noticed the envelope had been tampered with. He just shrugged and said, “it happens.” I then asked him to go through his entire truck to see if “it happened” anywhere in the back. Naturally he could not find it. He then told me there was nothing I could about it.
I went down to the police station and filed a report. I know it can’t get back the check my parents sent me for my fucking BIRTHDAY, but it’s documentation of the theft. And since I was standing there while the carrier delivered the letter, it’s not like someone came by and yanked it from my box.
I’m really upset about this, not because of the money, which is replacable, but how I was treated by everyone (except the police) at the post office, who acted like it was just something that happens and I should suck it up!
April 19th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
I am living in the nicest neighborhood I have ever lived in in my life right now. And, for the first time ever (that I know of) my mail has been stolen. A couple things I bought from ebay. There is nothing I can do about it. You know it is a bunch of stupid teenage druggies who are doing it too. I hope they get busted SOOOOOO BAD!