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On Saturday morning, a young man knocked at our door. He wanted to sell us new windows. Kris tried to brush him aside gently, but he was persistent. He didn’t leave until he’d scheduled an appointment to give us an hour-long in-home presentation about his company’s product.
“We do need storm windows,” Kris told me after he’d gone.
“That’s true,” I said. “But I don’t like buying from door-to-door salesmen.”
The worst job I ever had was selling insurance door-to-door to little old ladies in rural Oregon. I know the tricks and techniques these folks use to get into your home and make the sale. Sometimes knowledge isn’t enough. Kris and I have purchased our share of stupid things from door-to-door salesmen over the years, including:
- A set of encyclopedias. We bought these in 1995, on the cusp of the digital age. They never saw much use. (Look for more about this on April Fool’s Day.)
- A freezer full of chicken, most of which went to waste after a power outage.
- A Kirby vacuum cleaner, which now sits unused because we have no carpeting.
- Membership in a “consumers club”. We paid something like $1500 to join this organization, and then $70 a year thereafter to remain members. In theory, membership allowed us to buy furniture and electronics for cheap. In reality, we barely used it.
Kris and I are smart people. You’d think we’d know better than to buy this stuff. But we’re also nice people, and sometimes that niceness overpowers the intelligence.
Most of the time I’m able to stand strong and to turn people away at the door, but sometimes I’m weak, and I feel sorry for the salesman. That momentary weakness is all it takes to end up spending $500 on encyclopedias I’ll never use.
I used to have a rule that I’d always buy stuff from kids who knocked on the door. But in 2001, I let some college kids cajole me into purchasing several magazine subscriptions. Several over-priced magazine subscriptions. Canceling these was a nightmare.
Since then, I’ve adopted a rule of thumb that has served me well: I never buy anything if I did not initiate the transaction. I don’t buy anything from flyers in the mail, from telemarketers, from e-mail ads, and, especially, from door-to-door salesmen. Why not?
- They’re trained to sell. You are not trained to resist. During my time with the insurance company, I learned how to handle a variety of objections, and how to present my information in such a way that the customer almost sold herself. I wasn’t very good — some of my colleagues were. They could have sold ice to eskimos.
- They create need where none exists. If you really need something, you already know it. You can do the research on your own. If you allow yourself to be pitched, the salesmen will create a need you didn’t know you had. He’ll make it seem sensible to spend thousands of dollars on a smoke alarm.
- They prey on fear and ignorance. They want you to feel sorry for them. They want you to feel like you’re keeping up with the Joneses. They want you to feel like you’re protecting your family. A salesman wants you to make an emotional decision.
- They use high-pressure tactics. They try to create a sense of urgency: “I only have one left”, “This offer ends today”, “We’re only in town for this week”. Don’t let the perceived scarcity influence you. And don’t feel guilty if a salesman berates you for wasting his time. Stand strong.
It’s all well and good to know how the salesman works, but what can you do to resist? Here are some effective techniques for handling door-to-door salesmen.
- Don’t answer the door. The best way to resist any form of marketing is to avoid it altogether. Don’t watch television ads, don’t read junk mail, don’t engage telemarketers. And don’t open the door to a traveling salesman.
- Don’t let him inside. If you do open the door to find a salesman, don’t let him in your home. Once he’s in, he has the advantage. Good salespeople know this. Some people feel it’s rude not to ask a salesman inside, but that’s not true. The salesman isn’t concerned with etiquette (and, in fact, takes advantage of social conventions by using them against you). The salesman just wants inside your home so he can make his pitch. Keep him outside.
- Don’t listen to the presentation. Most sales pitches are constructed to get you answering questions (usually with a “yes”) as soon as possible. Don’t fall for it. Again, nobody wants to be rude, but which would you rather do: interrupt the pitch or buy an overpriced set of steak knives? I’d rather interrupt the pitch.
- Be courteous but firm. The salesman is just doing his job. Yes, it’s a shitty job, and he ought to be doing something else, but ultimately it’s still just a way for him to put food on the table for his family. Stand firm, but don’t be a jerk.
- Get a big dog. “No soliciting” signs don’t work. Salesmen ignore them or pretend not to see them. (They’re like a red flag: “I’m no good at resisting sales pitches, so please don’t call.”) But it’s difficult to ignore a large, snarling animal. When I was selling insurance, I avoided any home with a large dog. I wasn’t the only one.
Ultimately, your best defense is to just say “no” and shut the door. I’ve done this many times before, and though I sometimes felt guilty for about thirty seconds, this soon passes.
When Kris told me about the window salesman yesterday, I did some research. I knew that he’d caught her in a weak moment, and I was worried that her pride might make it difficult for her to cancel the sales appointment. I found several sites online with complaints about the company and its tactics. I compiled the information and went upstairs to tell Kris what I’d learned. I was going to volunteer to call the salesman myself.
“We don’t want to do this,” I told her. “The company does a hard-sell. The ‘one hour appointment’ generally lasts four hours. They don’t take no for an answer. Their windows are much more expensive than normal windows.” I sighed. “We need to cancel the appointment.”
“No problem,” Kris said, smiling. “I already did.”
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February 17th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
We all get snookered sometimes. In our old community they had made door-to-door sales illegal (except for the kids) but that didn’t stop them either.
The Kirby sales person just came through our area a couple weeks ago. It was cold and I was too nice to send him away. He did his sales pitch and got both my wife and I to “realize” we had a “need” (that we never knew we had) for an uber-vacuum. I was hooked… until I saw the price! He had it laid out as $33 per month financed. I twisted his arm until he would give me a cash price which was $1,200 and the financing ran about 15% APR (over 4 years). I sent him packing, but not before I had to be more forceful and stop being polite.
The magazine guy was a little easier because he was dressed like a punk and seemed strung out. He didn’t last long enough for me to take off the chain lock. Better safe than sorry.
February 17th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
My boyfriend’s mom is one usual victim of these door-to-door salesmen. My bf always sulks about this because oftentimes her mom would end up breaking her budget just to avoid that “sorry” feeling for the salesman.
I wonder how I can help in sending the message that she just has to say no without offending her.
February 17th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
I live in the city and going door-to-door is dangerous business. Eventhough I’m in a very nice neighborhood - we trust no one. I simply don’t answer the door. If the person sees me I say (through the closed & locked door), “I’m sorry, I don’t answer the door to strangers.” The only people I answer the door to are delivery men and anyone else in uniform. It’s rude, I know, but I don’t care. It simply isn’t safe to answer the door to anyone. I have an 80 lb dog and a baseball bat near the door for back-up.
But even if I didn’t live in the city I think these are good techniques. Frequently scam artists solicite door to door. We have a group of people around here known as “travelers” or “gypsies” and they go door to door looking for work - they are basically just scoping out your house to come back later and rob you. I used to know some of these people from when I managed a public library - they are pros - they ripped us off several times as well as some of the businesses in the area.
We also have a lot of “preachers” going door to door soliciting for money. Again, I have to be hard-hearted. I put them in the same category as the con-artists. I seriously doubt any of that money is going to a church.
I know I’m not the only one who feels this way. I was walking my dog the other day and a dog was loose. I looked at his tags and I went and knocked on the door of the home where the dog belonged. A middle aged woman came to the door and lifted the mail slot in her door to talk to me - she wasn’t about to open her door to frail, little me, either! It’s a shame, but you can’t trust anyone these days.
February 17th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Watching Glengarry Glen Ross really helped me understand that door-to-door salesmen really do take advantage of politeness and niceness. It’s a lot easier to be firm and ignore social customs knowing that they’ll do the same.
February 17th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
We actually have good luck with our No Soliciting sign. The only people who’ve gone ahead and rang the bell were school kids too young to know (maybe?) what the word “soliciting” means and a high school kid who should have known, but obviously didn’t.
February 17th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
I still say buy from the little kids. I hated having to sell those candy bars and stuff when I was little!
February 17th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Timely post - I’ve been working on my “line” to deal with door-to-door salespersons. Now I just quickly say “This isn’t a good time”. I’ve found it works like a charm - ok I’ve only used it once but it did work.
Mike
February 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
One of my friends had a vacuum cleaner thrown out the window by a…demonstrative salesman. She’d said something about not needing a new one and being satisfied and such.
That left an impression for me—don’t let them near our house.
I mean he was obviously a crazy guy and most salespeople aren’t that bad. But I’m not letting someone I don’t know in my house even if they work for a respectable company. You just never know who you’re dealing with.
February 17th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I found saying you’re renting your house and aren’t responsible for that kind of purchases sends all the home improvement/yard maintenance/alarm system/utility companies out really quick. Also work over the phone with telemarketers.
February 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Another advantage of apartment living - no windows salesmen, no aluminum siders, no Mormons, no Jehova’s Witnesses, no Girl Scouts, no magazine hawkers.
February 17th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
All I have to do is tell them (truthfully) I’m a credit reject with a minimum wage job and they lose all interest in trying to sell me anything.
February 17th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
My doorbell broke about two months ago, and I put up a sign to call. Turns out anyone who would need to talk to me knows my number. And anyone who I don’t want to talk to doesn’t!
I’m not even sure I will fix it.
February 17th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Absolutely! Buy from the little kids! I agree 100%. But I used to buy from college kids, too. Not anymore.
February 17th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
This is the text of our no soliciting sign. It is 100% effective. We watch the solicitors approach our door and then turn away almost every day.
ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING
If you are selling something DO NOT knock on the door, or ring the doorbell. We do not need your magazines, coupon books, or eternal salvation. I’m sure your cause is important, and it will still be important without the donation you will not get from us.
If you are a Boy Scout or Girl Scout this does not apply, please knock. One can never have too many Thin Mints in the house!
February 17th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
This is great!
I’m still fuming about the Kirby salesman I endured a year ago–I was referred by a friend because they offered a free carpet and upholstery cleaning. The 1 hour presentation turned into 3, with my newborn screaming to be fed, and I couldn’t get the guy out of my house! He criticized my home for not being clean (and not just the carpet), was very rude once he realized I really wasn’t going to buy anything, complained about the noise from my children and finally resorted to “you should tell your mommy to buy this”. I was livid! Oh, and he didn’t clean my couch either.
February 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Yes, buy from little ones. They aren’t trying to sell you a product with financing or anything that requires a credit check or will have you making a monthly payment for the next few years with interest. A single box of cookies or one candy bar or the cheapest tin of unpopped popcorn will make their day…
February 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Wow. I am in shock. Yes, we get the odd salesman trying to sell windows or landscaping, and the occasionally suspiciously-mature-looking “youth” selling magazines, but I have never had a problem saying “No, not interested”. Half the time we don’t even open the door. I just look through the window, shake my head “no”, and turn back to what I’m doing.
I’m not sure if I’m more shocked that there ARE people who buy this stuff or that folks have a hard time saying “No”. I mean, if it was worth buying they wouldn’t have to go to your house and harass you, right?
Maybe this is a regional thing?
(Oh: Yes, I am a former Girl Scout. I Girl Scout cookies, but haven’t had scouts come door-to-door in years. I see them at the grocery store or I preorder from scouts I know personally.)
February 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
We had a guy come around the other talking as though he was from our existing phone company and that they were upgrading their lines. I thought they were going to tell me our Internet would be down for a bit while they were working, but he was from a rival company trying to convince us to change our Internet Service Provider and Phone Company.
He was very persistent and a hard one to get away. In the end I started to just close the door and told him I had to go and that he could leave information in the letterbox.
He never left anything in the letter box…
February 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
The problem with ‘buying from little ones’ is that most of them are victims of extortion! Most ‘fundraisers’ raise more funds for the company than for the kids organization. Most cost 3 times more than it should, and the kids organization only gets a tenth of it! I’d much rather buy that box of cookies from Wal-Mart (I do like the Girl Scout cookies, though…) and donate the whole $3 to the local organization!
Of course, kids doing fundraisers promotes hard work, business skills, and so forth. I just don’t like the organizations that take advantage of our children to extort money from the parents and communities! There are better alternatives out there!
-James
February 17th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
That 2nd picture you used showed up on Postsecret.com this week. Any connection?
February 17th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
We haven’t had traveling salesman come around our neighborhood since I’ve been here. It’s a mixed income, safe neighborhood…I wonder why?
February 17th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I would never, ever let anyone I did not know inside of my house (assuming they are trying to sell me something).
Trying to force their way, even politely, into my residence puts you on my turf. I have a golf club for these situations. You have 10 seconds to leave, or you’re going to need a new set of teeth.
That may sound harsh, but I think the behavior is unacceptable.
We have a “No Soliciting” sign at both entrances to the neighborhood, but I doubt it works.
February 17th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
I had hornets living in my peep-hole above the door knocker. They were surprisingly ineffective though, had to fire them.
February 17th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
I’ve got no problem saying “No” to sales people. A telemarketer offered us a free vacation if we listened to a “presentation” in our home. I gave the guy the alloted one hour and after that I cut him off and said, “Where’s my certificate?” He was astounded that 1. I interrupted him and 2. I didn’t want his vaccuum cleaner. I still got a free weekend at the beach. I did the same thing to a timeshare sales person and got another free weekend…if you work it right you can take advantage of them!
February 17th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I’ve never had a problem telling these sorts of people “no.” I have a very good “no.” Vibe.
Part of why I’m still single, but not every useful trait is useful in all circumstances.
February 17th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
The same techniques could be used to those “born again” christians trying to convert you to their version of christianity.
February 17th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
iStockPhoto, baby!
I either paid a buck for the image or downloaded it as one of their free images of the week. iStockPhoto — the blogger’s best friend.
February 17th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
It is not rude to tell an uninvited person that they cannot come in. This include everyone from your best friend, your neighbor and especially someone you have never met before in your life. I always ask who is at the door, if it is not someone I know I do not open the door. If it is a delivery or utility person I am not expecting I ask them to wait and the call the company for verification. I have twice had “meter checkers” leave when I said that only to find out that neither my electric nor gas company had sent someone!!!! (the police were informed) Uniforms, business cards and badges MEAN NOTHING. I find it easy to tell these people to go away because I HATE being sold to. If I have something I want or am interested in at store and need to talk to a sales person I will immediately ask them to please not “sell” to me or I will leave. This is very effective, if they don’t believe me I walk away as soon as they start to pitch something I did not ask about. I have had managers stop me, apologize and give a discount. Other times salesman have lost a guaranteed sale on the item I wanted because they just had to try to up sell me. Anyway all of that is to say don’t worry about being rude, you aren’t. (and I know Miss Manners and Emily Post would agree with me on that!)
February 17th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
I am pretty resistant to sales pitches, at least when the thing they are trying to sell isn’t worth the money to me.
My only experience with door-to-door salesmen was when I just started working. They were selling a vacuum cleaner. I knew right away I wouldn’t buy it - the one I had worked fine and I had hardwood floors and an area rug, but I let them in hoping for some free cleaning during the demonstration. But they only cleaned a portion of my rug, putting a paper towel inside instead of a bag. Then they took it out and showed me that it was dirty - obviously since it was Saturday morning and I hadn’t cleaned my floors yet that week. Pretty unconvincing demonstration as far as I was concerned as it didn’t show their cleaner was better. Then they gave me a pretty ridiculous price. I was tempted to say “I am not convinced yet, maybe if you clean my whole apartment so I can see how it works on hardwood floors …”, but decided to be nice and simply told “not interested”.
Pretty disappointing experience - half an hour wasted and I still had to do my own vacuuming. So now I just don’t let anyone in.
February 17th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
I’ve always refused to participate in any transaction that I didn’t initiate.
My “no peddlers or solicitors” sign seems to be working - the only people that ring the doorbell are kids who wouldn’t know what those words meant.
I’ve never been one for door-to-door sales. If a product is truly good, it’ll sell just fine in a store, and I can happily shop for it on my terms.
February 17th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I don’t even buy from the little kids; I am so opposed to the fund raising junkets they put these kids on. Instead I offer to donate directly to their school or organization so they get 100% of the donation rather than just a small percentage of the overpriced product they are selling.
I do the same with my own kids, I don’t allow them to sell door to door to raise funds for the kids. Instead I give them $20 to donate to the purpose they are raising funds, which is much more than they would have made going and bothering our neighbors with their sales efforts.
February 17th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
In addition to Kirby, BEWARE if you get a call or a flyer to have a “water quality test”. This is Rain Soft trying to get in your door! I made the mistake, in a weak moment, of allowing them to make an appointment with us–I intended to cancel it when they called to confirm (as I was told they would). They never did, and my husband and I forgot and were subjected to FOUR HOURS of this guy desperately trying to sell us the Rain Soft system! NEVER again!
February 17th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
why not just shut the door when you open it and find out they are selling stuff door to door?
February 17th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Encyclopedias, Kirby vacuum, magazine subscriptions, bulk meat, AND a shopper’s club? Wow, you guys fell for every one of the big scams! (well, except for windows, lol)
February 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Please don’t let any salesmen into your home! I live in a very small, safe college town in California, and we’ve had two women raped in the last year by traveling “magazine salesmen”. You just never know what a person’s real motives are.
February 17th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Strange; we *love* our Kirby! We have a mix of hardwood floors and Oriental rugs.
(we also have a long-haired German Shepherd and two cats).
February 17th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
I did not know that door to door salesmen still existed. I haven’t encountered one for years. Since I have gotten rid of the land line, no more junk calls on the phone either.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I don’t buy when people come door to door - we rent, carry no cash, few checks, and only use our credit card for visiting family out of state (for renting the car - they don’t pester you with a credit check if you’re putting it on the card). We’re Agnostic, so we leave it at that and most people leave us alone. We use the cheapest vacuums we can get from the store and do a twice-per-year rental of a great vacuum and steam-cleaner. And anything that can be found on the computer (like encyclopedias) means that we don’t buy them either.
We also don’t buy from little kids - the stuff clutters and is usually sub-par quality for astronomical prices. And if I REALLY need girl scout cookies, I can call up a school and ask for a contact. The kids here (NM, USA) don’t believe me when I say I don’t have cash or checks though, which is REALLY weird, but most are afraid of the dog.
True story though - my parents (Catholic) had two JW’s come to their door, and before they could knock, my youngest brother (who had to be elementary school at the time, and was up in the tree in the front yard) calls out “What the hell do YOU want?”…they ran off and never came back. Never saw anything so funny in their lives, my grandfather tried to talk him into doing the same for them the next week. *grin*
February 18th, 2008 at 1:15 am
The easiest way is to make yourself a rule that you are not buying anything nor subscribe anything at the door. I politely ask the salesperson to leave me a folder (or send it to me) so that I can review the product in my time, and then come back if I really want it.
This also works with unsolicited phone calls trying to sell you something. “You can cancel anytime” is not good enough for me, I want any offer in print BEFORE I decide.
Quite a lot of “once-in-a-lifetime” offers seem not to work with paper anymore, so I don’t even have to bother reviewing them.
— Ben
February 18th, 2008 at 2:31 am
This is a great article.
I use the ‘We rent this house’ line which always works for sales people selling windows and stuff. This also works on the phone.
But, now our dog, is no longer a puppy, I like to open the door, holding my dog bu his collar.
I love seeing their faces. The funny thing is, my dog is just eager to get out because he thinks his going for a walk, the sales person thinks the dog is going for them.
I love it.
Juan
February 18th, 2008 at 4:56 am
A reasonably friendly smile and a “no thanks” as I shut the door has always worked for me. I could add “I do not buy anything from door-to-door salespeople, ever.” Saves their time as well as mine so I figure they appreciate it. For fundraisers from kids, I usually just offer a check made out to the organization for between $3 and $5. It generally costs less than the product they are selling and gets more cash to the organization that the paltry cut they would get from the sale. It also keeps junk food and other garbage out of my house.
February 18th, 2008 at 5:31 am
The worst are the Kirby vacuum salesmen… they don’t leave! I’m usually a sucker with the kids though…
February 18th, 2008 at 6:07 am
Hi
It’s the same here in the UK.
I came home one night to find a kitchen saleman in the kitchen talking to my wife. She handed over to me. I told him politely, we have no intention of buying a kitchen, we cannot afford to buy a kitchen and if we did want one, we would be shoping around and buying from a comapny that had been reccomended.
The then asked if he could chat anyway. Two hours later my wife called me on my cellphone from the phone in the living room, we proceeded to chat for about 15 minutes whilst he just sat there. A little later I excused myself to visit the bathroom, I was actually turning off the heating, it was winter. I cam back in and made myself and my wife a nice hot cup of tea. I didn’t consider him a “guest” so I never offered him one.
Two cold hours later I interrupt him and reiterate that under no circumstances will we buy anything. He phones his boss and negociates a discount and the price drops from £16,000 to £2,000 over the price of the visit.
The only way we could get rid of him was to offer him the number of our landlord and we were renting the house, this was of course a lie but he was determined not to leave without at least arranging a follow up appointment.
This was an experiment on my part to see just how long he would stay, I was bored.
6 hours he lasted.
Now I just mention that we are planning to sell or if it is a telesales then we have just renewed our “whatever it is they are selling”, if only they have phoned last month.
The tactic I have only had to resort to once is, “I’m sorry mut Mr X has just passed away, I don’t think he will need a new kitchen”, harsh but this guy was not taking no for an answer.
Ross
http://www.RossGoodman.com
February 18th, 2008 at 7:17 am
The worst in my area are the guys who try to get you to switch to their hydro or gas company. They insist to see your bill so they can copy down the account number and info! Once, when I told them it was my parent’s place (it was), they asked me to get *their* bill (that’s when I shut the door).
I was a Girl Scout leader and in my area the Girl Scouts don’t go door to door anymore - their parents are afraid to let them.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Jesse wrote:
True story though - my parents (Catholic) had two JW’s come to their door, and before they could knock, my youngest brother (who had to be elementary school at the time, and was up in the tree in the front yard) calls out “What the hell do YOU want?”…they ran off and never came back. Never saw anything so funny in their lives, my grandfather tried to talk him into doing the same for them the next week. *grin*
Considering some of them face drawn weapons at times doing the non-paid, volunteer work that Jesus commanded his followers to do and trying to honestly help people, I’m sure a rude Catholic wasn’t anything new. Way to be Christian though. You can simply politely say you’re not interested if you really aren’t.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Oh man! I know exactly who that window company is. They hit my husband the second day we moved into our new house, back in October. The line was that they would just measure our windows, leave us a quote and be gone. Had I answered the door I would have said no thanks as many times as it took, buy my husband can’t say no to this sort of thing. They came the next day and took up 5 hours of unpacking time. By the end of it, I was fumming and just wanted them out of our house so I lied and said we would be coming into some money in a few months and that they should call us then. Now ever couple months they call and we don’t pick up. And their windows were going to cost over $15K for our 1,200 sqft house, which has nothing but standard sized windows. When they told me the cost my jaw almost hit the floor. We are in the process of saving and getting out of debt and there is no way I would drop that kind of money on windows. Crazy. Thanks for this post!
February 18th, 2008 at 8:27 am
I only buy things from children I KNOW in the neighborhood.
If another child comes to the door, I just say that I’ve already purchased from another child.
If adults come to the door, I firmly say, “No Thank You, I’m not interested”. I then close the door on them, whether they are talking or not. Why waste their time and mine? I’m not worried about being nice. Nice gets you suckered into things!
I NEVER EVER let ANYONE into my home. That’s just stupid from a safety standpoint.
February 18th, 2008 at 8:53 am
I have two dogs. They’re cocker spaniels, so they’re not big. However, whenever anyone rings the doorbell, it gets them going. I always have slide out of the front door while my dogs are trying to get out (one would probably just lick the person to death…the other might attack). However, I never invite the person in (I’m paranoid, and don’t know them, so I don’t want anyone “casing” my house, or worse). They never try to get invited in either…I think my dogs scare them
Though I do think that if anyone ever comes by, and is persistent, even after I tell them I won’t buy anything I might have to say Hold on, let me go get a chair, and then have them give me their pitch while I sit on a chair on my front porch 
February 18th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Ugh, Kirby. My wife responded to what looked like a legit job ad once. Turns out the job was selling these useless things. She went in for a “training session” expecting to spend the day in a conference room or something and found herself stuffed in a van with more bodies than seat belts, sitting on someone’s lap, being driven through a neighborhood and being told that “no solicitation” signs were signs of weakness.
When some homeowners complained about the folks ignoring the signs and a police car started driving through the neighborhood she told the van’s driver she wasn’t interested anymore. He told her tough luck and she could either keep selling for them for the rest of the day (without pay) or she could find her own way home. She had no idea where she even was.
Never buy these things.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:47 am
I managed to get a meat salesman to leave after telling him we only bought local organic beef and we had just bought a 1/2 cow … but sheesh, he was persistent!
I have to agree, though … the Jehovah’s Witnesses selling their false religion are the worst! Once, one gave my mom some “Watchtower” tracts, and at the end asked her to pay for them!!
February 18th, 2008 at 9:56 am
It’s funny thinking that you ended up with a Kirby. Those guys are mercenary when it comes to sales! I remember a friend of mine once worked for them and he had a routine down that was almost like a hunter stalking his prey.
It’s not my page, but Rob Cockerham over at Cockeyed/Fat Wallet has a funny page about his distaste for Kirby sales men. See “Kirby Vaccum Cleaners will suck the life out of you and your marriage” at http://www.cockeyed.com/citizen/kirby/kirby_techniques_2007.shtml and http://www.cockeyed.com/citizen/kirby/kirby.html
February 18th, 2008 at 10:03 am
@No Solicitation Signs
I’ve done some flyering for myself, and always obeyed these. Some of us care.
@Door-to-Door
If they come by regularly (I have a basketball couch who comes by 2-4 times a year selling a single coupon sheet for $3), the first time, I say ‘no’ politely. If they say thank you and move along, the next time they come by, I actually consider the offer (in the basketball case, I donate immediately and never use the coupons).
BASICALLY, if you don’t try and SELL it, I’ll listen.
To get rid of people I KNOW are selling (magazine kids are the worst), I grab my house phone and as I open the door I tell the ‘person’ on the phone to “hold on.” After the seller’s first sentence, I tell them I am on the phone and put it back to my ear. Moments later, I close the door and they leave. They never comeback because it is a single loop/trip always.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:29 am
“No” and “Not interested, sorry” usually work for me. If they persist I say “Look, I’m not going to buy anything, so why don’t we both save some time and move on”.
When I was a kid (around 1998) our dorm “4 people shared kitchen”-plexes had a funny incident with an encyclopedia sales man. After having been told “no thanks, don’t want it, don’t need it” a couple of times he goes on with he sales pitch: “…. and consider the Gulf War, it was only some years about but you probably already forgot when it started - this is why it’s good to own an encyclopedia”. Little did he know that he had just wandered into the home of the two of the dorm’s trivial pursuit sharks. “January 17th, 1991, 5 in the morning local time”, I offered … “That was a Thursday by the way”, my friend said. After that the poor sales guy was out of ammo and he left.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:26 am
@Maria
The Watchtower is not sold, voluntary donations are accepted (it costs money to print) and sometimes mentioned, but you are free to keep whatever is offered without donating if you wish. Nothing is sold.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:37 am
The way I handle JW’s is to say “Oh, gee, the orgy doesn’t start for another hour, but please, come in, come in!”
February 18th, 2008 at 11:58 am
My policy? Confuse them. “I don’t own this place, so I don’t get to make any decisions. Nope, no one who’s here gets to make those decisions. Have a nice day. Buh-bye.”
There’s always the snarling dog and the guy with the katana, though… (no, I’m kidding; I don’t really advocate threatening door-to-door salespeople).
February 18th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
@Anthony
That would also work to persuade them to move along.
February 18th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
If im in the right mood, i like salesmen..on the phone or in person. The reason being is i like to waste their time! haha. If im not doing anything at the time and i get a sales phone call, i will go through all the motions including bargaining and an interested tone of voice and at the end, i tell them im not interested! haha. they hate that! One example: i had a phone call trying to sell me magazines for 3.84$ for one month. I acted interested because they said they would give me a diamond watch and an entry in a cash grand prize. It turns out that at the end of the conversation he told me that i would owe like 70 bucks for 2 magazines that were supposed to be free! I laughed and told him he wasted 15 minutes of his time and made my boring hour very amusing!
February 18th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I always say no.
Even to the girl scouts–I tell them I am on a diet (which actually I’m not on–but you’d be surprised how many kids sell candy/cookies in my neighborhood).
I also have 2 large dogs.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Man, some of you people are incredibly paranoid. I can understand the ‘I do not want to endure a hard sell’ aspect, but the ‘any stranger who knocks on your door will rape you, abduct your children, beat your dog with a tire iron, and then stomp all over your carpets without cleaning their boots’?
It must be scary to live in a world where everyone you aren’t on a first name basis with is a murderous Nazi because your friend Mabel saw something on Dateline or it happened to that kid two counties over one time (really! My friend’s cousin’s boyfriend was their neighbor and he found the bodies!).
February 18th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I get so many door to door solicitors I don’t even answer the doorbell anymore. And I don’t care. It’s rude of them to assume we have nothing better to do than stand there and waste our time listening to their spiel. I finally convinced my fiance that he doesn’t even need to listen to the sales pitch either. Also there are so many home invasions and such around here, I think it would be just plain stupid to let a stranger in my house unless it’s someone coming to fix something and planned, by ME, in advance.
February 18th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Mos wrote: “Considering some of them face drawn weapons at times doing the non-paid, volunteer work that Jesus commanded his followers to do and trying to honestly help people, I’m sure a rude Catholic wasn’t anything new. Way to be Christian though. You can simply politely say you’re not interested if you really aren’t.”
Actually, I’m not Christian, I’m Agnostic, and the rude one was my younger brother - my parents just usually say “no thanks”. And perhaps I should have also stated that these JW’s were wandering around selling their religion in an almost Catholic-only town (which, just so we’re clear here, Catholics ARE Christians). Am kind of curious how a “rude Catholic isn’t anything new”, but that’s probably a discussion best saved for cooler heads.
February 18th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
A gate, a sign, and a dog tend to combine to equal no salespeople showing up. I dislike the religious solicitors more, though.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Dear god! DON’T OPEN THE DOOR TO STRANGERS! Ever. Period.
We have had three vicious home invasions in our neighborhood, two of them perpetrated by groups of thugs who had an innocent-looking woman ring the doorbell, claim her car was broken down, and ask to use the phone.
A friend of mine lives in an apartment complex where her two kids play with the neighbor kids all the time. Some guy came to the door — expecting a friend, one of the kids opened the door. First he tried to give a magazine pitch; when the mom told him no, he tried to force his way in. A Salvadoran farm girl, she’s surprisingly strong, thanks to a lifetime of hard work. She put up a fight and ended up physically kicking him outside and slamming the door behind him. Lucky for her: within the previous week he had raped two other women in front of their children.
When I was young and pretty, a man came to my front door. I was expecting someone and had opened the door but kept the chain lock on it. Coincidentally, I happened to have been sharpening the kitchen knives when he showed up. He could see the two German shepherds at my side and he could see I had a butcher knife in my hand, and he STILL tried to force his way in.
No stranger who comes to your door, whether to sell you something or for other reasons, means you any good. People who try to proselytize you have no respect for your beliefs; assuming they’re right and you’re benighted, they don’t mean you any more good than does any other intruder. Sorry it doesn’t sound very friendly…but it’s life in the big city.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Here in the Netherlands we don’t have that many door-to-door salesmen. Most of the time it are unsollicited phonecalls. With both I find it very easy to answer with a quick, “No thanks” and end the conversation (I don’t listen to them anymore). The reason I find this so easy is because I know they work on commission and they would be wasting their time on me.
In the past I would say my wife just happened to work in their area of expertise so we already have insurance, a nice car, loads of books or whatever they tried to sell but nowadays I don’t even bother to listen what they are trying to sell.
The only exception are the charities which come here door to door. They all get some (very small) amount. If somebody takes the trouble to go door to door for some good cause they deserve a reward. And if they aren’t for real, the amount is so small it wouldn’t be worthwile.
February 19th, 2008 at 5:32 am
My son just speaks longingly of how he’s been meaning to get one of those (whatever they are selling)now that he’s out of prison. This works especially well for credit card offers.
February 19th, 2008 at 7:19 am
I actually love it when these guys come. I keep the gate to my porch locked, and my dogs are the alerters. I go outside to meet the soliciter, but make no attempt to quite the dogs. I frequently ask him to repeat what he said, I couldn’t hear, the dogs are barking! Eventually he leaves, frustrated… and I smile and give my dogs a treat for being great watch dogs.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I didn’t even know door-to-door salesmen still existed. I’ve never gotten one that wasn’t part of a religious group.
Also, I have a pitbull.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
@Kjell, agreed.
I answer the door holding onto the collar of my big Lab. Usually the conversation is very short.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Probably a dead thread, it’s been a few days.
But I’d like to add my $0.02. I’ve maybe mentioned this before, but when I was a salesman, the thing that always bothered me the most, and the thing I use the most now, is to say “No” or “No, Thanks”, if I’m feeling especially polite.
The important thing is to say nothing else after that. The system of not taking no for an answer is based on you giving an excuse.
Person: My wife will never let me buy those.
Salesman: Why don’t you try it out, and then show your wife, if she doesn’t like it, then you can cancel.
or
Person: No, thanks, I can’t afford it.
Salesperson: Think about how much money you will save by buying this TV instead of going to the movies! Just finance it, we will give you a great finance offer.
The “No” with an awkward pause takes some getting used to. And the really sly salesman will ask you why, then you have to say something like “Not interested” or “Have a good day” and shut the door. The best case scenario is when they keep pitching things, and you just keep saying “No”. After three times, you will feel no social responsibility to keep the door open, they have broken the rules.
Also, Glengarry Glen Ross was a great insight into sales and human interaction in general.
February 20th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
In highschool, my friends and I had a running gag about how we were going to make some extra cash:
We were going to to door-to-door selling “No Soliciting” signs!! Sometimes, I actually thought we were going to go through with it. We were going to knock during dinner time, and as the person opened the door, we were going to say “Are you tired of being interrupted by salesmen while you eat…”
The plan kept expanding to the point where we were going to knock on doors with existing “No Soliciting” signs and say: “Tired of people ignoring your sign? How about an ‘ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING’ upgrade for only $5.00?”
Laughter ensued.
Now that I read this post I’m saying. “Hmmm” Maybe I should have kept our genius idea to myself!
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February 29th, 2008 at 8:14 am
Please take a look at our website that is dedicated to the problem of magazine sales people. When magazine sales kids come to your door, don’t let them in, but ask them if they’d like to have the Parent Watch telephone number in case they want to go home (they’re driven all over the country in vans and live out of motels). On occasion one of these sales people will commit a crime against a homeowner, since the itinerant lifestyle appeals especially to youths who have hopped onto a crew as a way to avoid arrest where they live. The great majority, however, are just slaves. Don’t let them in because you never know, but hand out our website info and telephone number. 917.579.4641.
March 13th, 2008 at 5:49 am
I tell the sales people/solicitor/church person that I charge a rate for advertising on my property, which includes my front yard, sidewalk, and doorway.
The rate is $75 an hour, min 1 hours. Then I ask them if they would like to purchase advertisement time.
This usually stops them in their tracks.
March 18th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Whats up with the drama ?
Why bother with creative excuses ? Why be dishonest and lie ? Why the complaints of “he was persistent” ? How hard can you make it ?
“No thank you, I’m not interested” works with 99% of all salesmen. After that you can just close the door. End of story. No creativity or lies needed.
Here’s a clue: You need to grow a backbone. If NOT buying simply for the reason that some person wants you to buy is a problem for you, you’re ALWAYS going to be wasting your money. Door-to-door salesmen is just one of a million examples of situations where you need the ability to simply say “no”, and mean it.
March 19th, 2008 at 4:44 am
Eivind is right about just saying no, but this thread wouldn’t exist if that were easy. Even when one is successful at saying “no,” and closing the door, the emotional discomfort of the home owner is considerable. The reason for this is that we are trained to be hospitable in our own homes to those who ask for our attention. The sales person knows how to manipulate one’s innate sociability. Outside the home one responds very differently to sales people and is actually annoyed if accosted on the street or the supermarket by a sales person. It’s easy to say no. It helps to remember that you feel uncomfortable saying “no” in your home because you were well trained by your parents to be polite to guests. Remind yourself that these people are not guests; they are hoping they can manipulate you into thinking they are guests, and then get under your well-socialized skin. As I said before, offer the magazine sales kids the phone, while remaining outside, and give them the Parent Watch number. They’re just slaves. Otherwise, it really is best to ignore your inner “helpful” impulses and close the door firmly. The most successful deterrent of all, which people just can’t bring themselves to do, is place a small No Trespassing sign on the lawn. Then anyone who comes into the yard is committing a criminal offense.
March 19th, 2008 at 6:22 am
This is all true. My point is, inventing more or less clever lies have no advantage over simply stating the truth.
We may be socialized to be polite to guests, but one would hope we’re -ALSO- socialized to not lie.
Furthermore, saying YES is harmful even if the offer was actually good (which it never is). In encouraging more visits.
If more people would siumply say “no” and shut the door more often, it’d be less profitable to do door-to-door sales, which would over time tend to lower the frequency, which is win-win.
March 19th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Well, good morning there, Eivind! It’s kind of a shame that this particular thread isn’t out there on the net in a more conspicuous place. People obviously have a lot to say about door-to-door sales.
And I love everyone’s inventiveness when it comes to handling an “on the spot” uncomfortable situation–especially the kid up a tree. Which reminds me: I once saw a large novelty door knocker in a catalog. It was a life-sized version of a particular part of male anatomy. It might drive the Witnesses away, but touching it would probably be irresistible for everybody else!
In all seriousness, go to http://www.parentwatch.com and take a look at the real life difficulties of some of these sales people. We can be a good samaritan here and offer them the option of a cell phone call (out on the porch) to us at 917.579.4641 so they can get out of their situation and be safe.
March 19th, 2008 at 7:14 am
Morning. Actually it’s afternoon in my timezone.
I -do- have a funny one for handling telemarketers.
As soon as I recognize them, I tend to say: “I’m sorry, but I don’t have a phone”.
I’m not sure if it amuses anyone but me, but it’s fun to count how many seconds they need to regain their composure and continue on with their script. At which point I just hang up.
Happens seldom though, there’s a “do-not-call” list that actually WORKS in Norway, so we get like perhaps 2 calls a year.
March 19th, 2008 at 8:30 am
I’m going to do the “I don’t have a phone one.” Very funny. This is off subject, but it’s irresistible to think about all the ways sales people try to get at us. You know those offers you get in the mail for a product and all you have to do is return the post card, postage paid? My sister went through a spell where she glued several of those post cards to a deck of playing cards and sent them back, “return to sender.” Postage, even return postage, is charged by weight. haha
I’d love to see Norway before I die.