On Saturday morning, a young man knocked at our door. He wanted to sell us new windows. Kris tried to brush him aside gently, but he was persistent. He didn’t leave until he’d scheduled an appointment to give us an hour-long in-home presentation about his company’s product.
“We do need storm windows,” Kris told me after he’d gone.
“That’s true,” I said. “But I don’t like buying from door-to-door salesmen.”
The worst job I ever had was selling insurance door-to-door to little old ladies in rural Oregon. I know the tricks and techniques these folks use to get into your home and make the sale. Sometimes knowledge isn’t enough. Kris and I have purchased our share of stupid things from door-to-door salesmen over the years, including:
- A set of encyclopedias. We bought these in 1995, on the cusp of the digital age. They never saw much use. (Look for more about this on April Fool’s Day.)
- A freezer full of chicken, most of which went to waste after a power outage.
- A Kirby vacuum cleaner, which now sits unused because we have no carpeting.
- Membership in a “consumers club”. We paid something like $1500 to join this organization, and then $70 a year thereafter to remain members. In theory, membership allowed us to buy furniture and electronics for cheap. In reality, we barely used it.
Kris and I are smart people. You’d think we’d know better than to buy this stuff. But we’re also nice people, and sometimes that niceness overpowers the intelligence.
Most of the time I’m able to stand strong and to turn people away at the door, but sometimes I’m weak, and I feel sorry for the salesman. That momentary weakness is all it takes to end up spending $500 on encyclopedias I’ll never use.
I used to have a rule that I’d always buy stuff from kids who knocked on the door. But in 2001, I let some college kids cajole me into purchasing several magazine subscriptions. Several over-priced magazine subscriptions. Canceling these was a nightmare.
Since then, I’ve adopted a rule of thumb that has served me well: I never buy anything if I did not initiate the transaction. I don’t buy anything from flyers in the mail, from telemarketers, from e-mail ads, and, especially, from door-to-door salesmen. Why not?
- They’re trained to sell. You are not trained to resist. During my time with the insurance company, I learned how to handle a variety of objections, and how to present my information in such a way that the customer almost sold herself. I wasn’t very good — some of my colleagues were. They could have sold ice to eskimos.
- They create need where none exists. If you really need something, you already know it. You can do the research on your own. If you allow yourself to be pitched, the salesmen will create a need you didn’t know you had. He’ll make it seem sensible to spend thousands of dollars on a smoke alarm.
- They prey on fear and ignorance. They want you to feel sorry for them. They want you to feel like you’re keeping up with the Joneses. They want you to feel like you’re protecting your family. A salesman wants you to make an emotional decision.
- They use high-pressure tactics. They try to create a sense of urgency: “I only have one left”, “This offer ends today”, “We’re only in town for this week”. Don’t let the perceived scarcity influence you. And don’t feel guilty if a salesman berates you for wasting his time. Stand strong.
It’s all well and good to know how the salesman works, but what can you do to resist? Here are some effective techniques for handling door-to-door salesmen.
- Don’t answer the door. The best way to resist any form of marketing is to avoid it altogether. Don’t watch television ads, don’t read junk mail, don’t engage telemarketers. And don’t open the door to a traveling salesman.
- Don’t let him inside. If you do open the door to find a salesman, don’t let him in your home. Once he’s in, he has the advantage. Good salespeople know this. Some people feel it’s rude not to ask a salesman inside, but that’s not true. The salesman isn’t concerned with etiquette (and, in fact, takes advantage of social conventions by using them against you). The salesman just wants inside your home so he can make his pitch. Keep him outside.
- Don’t listen to the presentation. Most sales pitches are constructed to get you answering questions (usually with a “yes”) as soon as possible. Don’t fall for it. Again, nobody wants to be rude, but which would you rather do: interrupt the pitch or buy an overpriced set of steak knives? I’d rather interrupt the pitch.
- Be courteous but firm. The salesman is just doing his job. Yes, it’s a shitty job, and he ought to be doing something else, but ultimately it’s still just a way for him to put food on the table for his family. Stand firm, but don’t be a jerk.
- Get a big dog. “No soliciting” signs don’t work. Salesmen ignore them or pretend not to see them. (They’re like a red flag: “I’m no good at resisting sales pitches, so please don’t call.”) But it’s difficult to ignore a large, snarling animal. When I was selling insurance, I avoided any home with a large dog. I wasn’t the only one.
Ultimately, your best defense is to just say “no” and shut the door. I’ve done this many times before, and though I sometimes felt guilty for about thirty seconds, this soon passes.
When Kris told me about the window salesman yesterday, I did some research. I knew that he’d caught her in a weak moment, and I was worried that her pride might make it difficult for her to cancel the sales appointment. I found several sites online with complaints about the company and its tactics. I compiled the information and went upstairs to tell Kris what I’d learned. I was going to volunteer to call the salesman myself.
“We don’t want to do this,” I told her. “The company does a hard-sell. The ‘one hour appointment’ generally lasts four hours. They don’t take no for an answer. Their windows are much more expensive than normal windows.” I sighed. “We need to cancel the appointment.”
“No problem,” Kris said, smiling. “I already did.”
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@ J.B.
That’s how all good inventions are sold, right?
No, we can’t smell a setup. Nope.
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I agree there are lots of bad salesmen out there. But sales makes the world go round. Everyone on this blog is “selling” their opinions. We cannot open our mouths without selling/trying to persuade.
What about your jobs? Either you sell or someone who is less afraid of rejection than you will have to make sales for you and you can just put your head down and assemble the widgets.
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@Perry
It’s not a question of good vs. bad salesmen. Simply, there is a time and place for everything. Most people will tell you “Not on my time, and not at my place.”
Capitalism is not a religion. We are not compelled, at least five times a day, to drop whatever we’re doing, face a merchant, and pray to the god of sales from within our homes.
Sales may drive the economy, but they are not our purpose for being. Furthermore, I am confident that the state of our economy does not hang in the balance of door-to-door sales transactions. As you pointed out, sales are ubiquitous, and can be made easily in sso many non-intrusive ways: e.g. Stores, classifieds, internet, yard sales, etc.
The difference between selling door-to-door, and “selling our opinions” on this blog, is that we have all sought them out. No one is showing up at my door saying, “I want to take 10 minutes of your time to explain why I am right about door-to-door sales!”
Here’s an example:
1) Salesman at car dealership=GOOD, because I’ve sought him out to make a purchase. (even if I think he’s a jerk personally).
2) Vacuum salesman at my front door=BAD, because he interrupted my zen meditation for something I don’t want to hear about. (even if I think he is a great guy personally).
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Hi Jay,
For the past 6 years, I’ve made my living selling on the doors. I know those that do, but I don’t stir up neighborhoods, and I don’t anger anyone. There is no use wasting my time or the homeowner’s time, so I use a brief 5-10 second pitch. If the person says “no thanks,” I know I didn’t arouse interest in that individual. If they ask questions about my service, I have their attention and can tell them more about the service. They might even end up signing up!
But I do get a bunch of sales every day. I’m not pushy, I make those sales fair and square. The customers I pick up tend to be grateful and remain good customers. Sometimes $20-30k per year to the Yellow Pages and again to Google isn’t in the cards. For my business, direct marketing is by far the most effective way of picking up customers, charging a more reasonable price, and it keeps the rest of the business much more efficient. Me going out on the doors also keeps my competition on their toes… if they underperform, their customers will switch to me.
Lots of people answer their door thinking, “Not on my time, not at my place.” Most of those same people also ask, “How much? What is your service like? When would you service my home? Who else do you service in my neighborhood? What makes your service better than the service I already use?” I end up helping a lot of people that didn’t want to talk to a salesperson, and I’m glad I stick it out.
After talking to tens of thousands of people on the doors, I’ve probably had less than 10 irrate people ever. And they wanted to fight in the first place and I’d rather they lash out at me, a stranger that’s happy to walk away from them, than their wife or kid who has to live with a generally unhappy person.
Most people are very nice. And I’m nice to them. We get along fine.
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@Perry,
While reading your post above, I was about to award you the Everlasting Gobstopper™, and name you as my successor here at the Wonka® factory, for being the world’s most benevolent door-to-door-salesman, based solely upon your anecdotal proof.
Then, I got to the part about how you are really just out there on the streets as a defender against domestic violence, and then the dream fell apart. Your defender assertion struck me as an expression of possible delusions of grandeur, and caused me to question the validity of your previous claims. Seriously, Perry, that was a bit over the top.
However, I’ll take the rest of your claims at face value. I have no problem with door-to-door salesmen trying to earn an honest living. As long as they obey my “No Soliciting” sign, I’ll continue to consider them for a ride in the Great Glass Elevator™.
In other words, good luck to you out there.
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Only started this job for a while now and we try make people pay less for the same thing…there’s no harm really in saving you some money and making myself some money especially when u dont have to do nuffin
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L’ayi,
LOL. I’m sure it wasn’t a Freudian slip with your choice of words, and it was really a simple typo. I believe you meant “…try and LET people pay less…” and not “try and MAKE people pay less…”.
Of course, if you really meant “make” and not “let”, then you are the embodiment of the very problem described in this blog article.
-Jay
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I sell door to door and understand why people feel the way they do. However, not all people are out to get you and not all products are bad. Sometimes the sales tactics are not for manipulation, but to get the customer’s prejudice out of the way. A real truth to several products being sold to the door is that by directly marketing, the price to consumer can be lower than it would otherwise be if the company in question was supporting several established retail facilities. If someone knocks on your door, please remember that that person is most likely as good a person as you yourself are. Listen to “The Pitch.” Then use your head, don’t make a purchase in the moment. Take the information, and ask for the contact information of the salesman. If they are legitimate, you will be able to contact them if what they are selling is right for you. Finally, if what they were selling could be right for you, call that salesman back. We are paid by commission, and we were the one who brought the product to your attention. Give credit where credit is due.
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You people make me laugh, i sell Directv door 2 door, well only to dish network customers. I ALWAYS save them money on their monthly bills, they get free equipment that works better, i make 100 dollars for a few hours work and everyone is happy. Granted after 1 ear the price goes to what their paying now, but they know that before i leave.
Usually a customer of mine will save anywhere from 10-30 bucks a month for 12 months, after which they pay the normal rate for whatever package they choose to keep.
all new free equipment installed for free, how is that so bad? you save money for something your paying for anyway! and keep all your favorite stations!
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I’ll go you one better, Tyler: I save hundreds of dollars a year by CHOOSING NOT TO HAVE any kind of TV service!
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Moments ago I said NO to a young man at the door selling coupon books. They are usually expensive ($25+) and this one was $33. I have a drawer full of these that never get used. I feel sorry for the kids doing this because they’re just trying to make a living and I’m not good at confrontation so I usually end up buying stuff we don’t need. I told him that we don’t buy coupon books so I wasn’t interested and he stormed off. A few months back it was magazine subscriptions. I succumbed to the sales pitch and was out $50. I never got the magazines either. I’m about to put a sign in my window that says “unless you’re a Girl Scout, we’re not interested!”
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The guy who wrote this article doesn’t realize that without salesmen nothing happens. He probably never would have had a job if someone hadn’t sold something to someone who didn’t know they needed or wanted it. America is falling apart because of people like this. Let’s all just not answer our doors, or not listen to a pitch. Ridiculous. How about we educate people on how to buy intelligently? Why not teach people how to listen to a pitch and then negotiate an awesome deal. I encourage my kids to sell door-to-door. Every successful business person I know has at some point done it. The people in this country have become weak and afraid of the word “No”, that’s why they’re turning to the government for everything. And China and India are the exact opposite. Hmmm? Kinda makes you think.
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I wrote the above post about the directv sales…i have traveled more since then, selling in indiana, georgia and now going to illinois…i can potentially make 1,000 to 1,500 per week selling directv…whom else at the age of 23 can make that much money part time?
unless your a celebrity of course..and saving money by choosing no tv well thats just ridiculous you gotta know whats going on in the world! well i suppose you must have internet access your on this site so that makes up for it.
anyway nate is right, todays society lives in fear and todays youth is just growing more weak, mentally and physically!
P.S dont feel sorry for salesman, and dont feel bad for your granny cause someone signed her up…she WILL save money if i talk to her….and you should feel sorry for yourselves for having a whole page dedicated to how to get rid of salesman lol
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Actually, “Tyler,” I am one of those folks who has chosen to go without TV. Yes, I do have internet access, and between that and newspapers, I find I don’t miss out on much at all, except for “intellectual noise.” I use Netflix to pick and choose what I watch. This setup saves us a ton of money.
Perhaps people aren’t more afraid. Perhaps people are wiser and are taking their power back.
Thank you.
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well jen, you actually dont go without tv, ive used netflix before its ok but the movies are all from like the 80′s and the new releases take forever to come out on there….and well its 8 bucks per month so i can understand why you like it…but what power are these “living in fear americans” taking back?
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I don’t know, Tyler, why don’t you ask the ones who are afraid?
I’m simply content to live my life on my own terms and not worry about having to deal with things I do not want to deal with.
Yes. Netflix is TV; however, it is TV on MY terms. I don’t care that I have to wait for new releases. It’s not important to me.
There IS life beyond the capitalist system.
Have a nice day.
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It’s not fear. It’s just, enough already. Go away.
We’re starting to get into circular arguments, because disgruntled D2D salesmen show up here with a bone to pick, and don’t bother reading the existing comments.
Let’s recap, shall we?
-It’s not a question of good vs. bad salesmen. Simply, there is a time and place for everything. Most people will tell you “Not on my time, and not at my place.”
-Capitalism is not a religion. We are not compelled, at least five times a day, to drop whatever we’re doing, face a merchant, and pray to the god of sales from within our homes.
-Sales may drive the economy, but they are not our purpose for being. Furthermore, I am confident that the state of our economy does not hang in the balance of door-to-door sales transactions. Sales are ubiquitous, and can be made easily in so many non-intrusive ways: e.g. Stores, classifieds, online auctions, web pages, yard sales, etc.
-Convincing someone to spend money that they wouldn’t have otherwise spent, because “it’s such a great deal,” does not SAVE them money. E.g. Convincing a non-television subscriber to sign up for DirecTV. Is that good salesmanship? Yes. Is that “helping them save money?” That’s a big NO.
-Respect the “No Soliciting” sign, or expect disrespect.
Final breakdown:
1) Salesman at car dealership=GOOD, because I’ve sought him out to make a purchase. (even if I think he’s a jerk personally).
2) Vacuum salesman at my front door=BAD, because he interrupted my zen meditation for something I don’t want to hear about. (even if I think he is a great guy personally).
It’s really, enough already.
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so what do you think of someone who would rather pay $30 more for the same thing per month, the very same thing?
i spoke to a woman earlier today, and im not disgruntled btw…i talked to her for 15 mins and switched her from DISH to Directv…in the process also saved her 30 dollars a month on her bill…if she hadnt talked to me she would still be overpaying for the same thing.
quit hating on door to door salesman, no reason to be rude to anyone, ive met hundreds of strangers and numerous times been told ive got the best personality of anyone they have ever met, and no its not the pitch…if a person is genuine and can be honest to every person they meet they do well at the end of the day.
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“Ubiquitous” marketing? I wish. That’s my dream come true. To be everywhere at the same time…including your front door…and on your television and computer screens…and on the billboard…and on your coffee mugs and t-shirts…in your dreams…seared into your subconscious because you’re so worried about a door-to-door salesman you don’t realize the mass media are using psychology and science to MAKE you do what they want. At least most door-to-door salepeople are honest and straightforward about what they’re selling (magazine salespeople excluded – most of them are cracked-out, state-hopping liars who aren’t really college students trying to win an award to help….)
Yes there is life beyond capitalism. It’s called communism. So let’s all make laws against door-to-door sales and against selling anything that wasn’t first asked for. Let’s make it illegal to share new, unrequested ideas.
Let’s rely on classified ads from the dying print moguls. Let’s all buy domain names and build websites, hoping someone will come along and buy what we have. And garage sales…oh, don’t forget to try that one. An online auction can’t build value in a service or product, which is what salesmen do. And a storefront is limited to those with money, which comes after beating the pavement. Face-to-face must nearly always come first.
NOTHING HAPPENS UNTIL SOMEONE SELLS SOMETHING.
Get that through your heads folks. Forget about yourselves for a second. The future of our economy and the United States DOES rely on outside sales. It always has. Face-to-face sales is the way most small businesses start out. The lawn guy goes around asking for jobs. The window cleaner, the plumber, the electrician, every small business person had to start with either a big wad of cash or a good pair of shoes.
Don’t disrespect what made this country great. If you doubt it, prove me wrong. Don’t talk about your “right” to not be bothered. If I pay to get a license from the city or state to knock on your door, I have the right to do it. No one has the right to hinder my freedom of commercial speech. The city and/or state do not have the right to hinder me in this. Federal legislation proves it.
If you put up a no-soliciting sign, fine. If there’s no law against my knocking on a door with a sign, I’ll knock. And chances are you’ll buy, because my odds are better on doors with signs. Most businesses have no-soliciting signs, and I make hundreds of dollars each day ignoring those signs. And the people in those businesses are happy I came.
If you’re so worked up because you had 50 people this year knock on your door and try to sell you something, well, that’s pathetic. So what! Then every seven days you had a real go-getter asking you for a few minutes of your time. Nobody who has commented here can say they had many (if any) days during which five salesmen came by. It just doesn’t happen like that.
And finally, “Not on my time, and not at my place.” How incredibly selfish! This whole economy thrives on the flow of commerce. It doesn’t start at 9:00 am and stop at 5:00 pm. It doesn’t end at the entrance to your subdivision. To the contrary…it starts there. It starts at your door, and on your television, and in the banner ad on your computer, or from your radio, or from the yellow pages, which were all likely sold door-to-door or over the phone.
The day the door-to-door salesman goes away will be a sad day for this country.
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Door to Door Salesmen Needed!
This is a long shot but if Tyler, Nate’s kids or any other producers are in the Houston-metro area and need a job, I could use some help with my residential Pest Control sales. Commissions are excellent, paid weekly UP FRONT. No back-end check monkey-business.
Most folks down here have a Pest service. And most of them still have bugs all over the place, so customers like getting results. And the salesmen, many of them young college guys, make great money. In my eyes it’s very win-win-win.
Door to door is not sexy! But the earnings and value you create is. The experience can transform and refine you into a disciplined, confident, fearless person… a HAPPY person.
(These are the attributes most of the contributors on this feed envy. Unfortunately many of them are too afraid to come to the door, or they get a feeling of importance from giving salesmen a piece of their mind, rather than in value creation.)
If you can succeed at door to door, you can succeed at anything! I hope you do!
Perry 801-347-4405
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I see.
So, either we allow salesmen unfettered access to our homes by, or we WILL degenerate down to outright COMMUNISM!!! dun, dun, DUUUNNNN! Hello, Mr. McCarthy, it’s not 1955, anymore. Ironically, Nate, only a few posts ago you were praising the Chinese and insulting America. Who’s the communist sympathizer, now?
Show me where in the Bill of Rights where “freedom of commercial speech” is protected.
It is illegal for a D2D salesman to knock on doors with a sign in my community. It’s also good old fashioned horse sense to obey it, even it it wasn’t illegal. It’s courtesy. It’s respect. It’s being a good citizen.
I, however, do have the right to eject you from my property. If you like, I can add a “No Trespassing” sign, as well. That means you may not even enter my property without my permission. Do you have some kind of magical sales easement on my property?? I thought not. It seems some people just can’t take a hint.
No one is disrespecting what made this country great. D2D sales are NOT what made, makes, or will EVER make this a great country. Why don’t YOU “forget about yoursel[f] for a second???” Pretentious much, Nate?
Nate, believe it or not, I can detest D2D sales, and still participate in the economy of America. I bought a computer to type this on, and a desk to sit the computer on, and a house to surround it all with. I bought a car JUST to bring the computer home, Nate! I did not need the unsung D2D salesman “hero” to accomplish any of this! I buy things from stores, websites, online auctions, print ads, etc. I EVEN bought a candy bar from a fundraiser set up in front of Walmart. I’m just crazy enough to do it, Nate! No commies on MY watch!
I’m out there Nate, and I’m LOVIN’ EVERY MINUTE OF IT!
If you’re making a living being an honest D2D salesman, then fine. No one is telling you to stop. I would assume that if people don’t place a sign on their door, then they don’t mind.
All I’m saying is, drop the hero act, and when you see the sign on my door, keep on steppin’.
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I find it humorous that all the people that hate d2d salesman talk about how they got shotguns and dogs and what not. I’ve knocked on numerous doors with no trespassing, or no soliciting…and have made numerous sales by doing so. No I’m not in the houston area but i have a friend who sold pest control and made 40 grand over the summer so i know its good money!
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Well, Jay, a couple of years a go a small town in the USA decided they didn’t want door-to-door salesmen disturbing the coal miners who worked nights and slept days, so they made a law against door-to-door sales. A federal district judge ruled that such a law was a violation of commercial free speech. That is the law I am referring to here. The company was Kirby, the vacuum company.
As for my comments on China…in case you haven’t noticed, they’re moving closer toward capitalism and democracy all the time. They’re seeing the success of India and cashing in on the opportunity. As a result, their country is experiencing tremendous economic growth. As they ease commercial restrictions and open up to the rest of the world, they’re building wealth. Likewise, as the US imposes restrictions and it’s people try to isolate themselves and to initiate “protective” measures, the economy declines. It’s simple really. Surely you see this. If not, I can’t help you.
And yes, door-to-door sales are what made this country great. Even today, few if any businesses can get started without sending people out to meet face-to-face with potential customers. Just the other day I ran into an Edward Jones financial consultant going door-to-door to get new clients. You’re naive if you believe most businesses are built solely through television, internet, radio, and other standard, text-book forms of advertising. Bill Gates himself got his start going into businesses unannounced to sell his operating system. It grew from there. He started with door-to-door sales.
You say you didn’t need the door-to-door “hero” to buy what you have. That’s a false statement. Because all the businesses you bought those things from absolutely needed door-to-door and outside salesmen to move their products into the market. Every department store has a merchandise agent that is approached every day by outside salesmen going out to sell the goods.
And that candy bar you bought outside of Walmart, that’s a perfect example of what’s wrong with the youth fundraisers today. Those kids aren’t really learning to sell. They’re learning to setup a table outside of a multi-billion dollar establishment and mooch off the customers coming and going. They ask, “Would you like to buy a candy bar to support…?” That’s it. And the customers say “yes” or “no” and go about their business. That’s not sales. When I was a kid in Cub Scouts we had to go out and knock doors and really convince somebody who wasn’t already in the process of going to spend money to buy what we were selling. If you can’t see the difference, then you’re not trying to. And it’s obvious you have no sales experience at all. And any sales you have done likely were very limited and resulted in little success. I understand your frustration. Do you work in an office somewhere, possibly for the city, state or federal government? If not, as your boss how he got started. Surprise, surprise, at some point he or she probably showed up unannounced at someones home or business or made an unsolicited phone call to sell the product or service that pays your bills. If you’re a government employee, you won’t understand because your paycheck comes from compulsory, “voluntary compliance” in the form of taxes that can be raised any time when the government doesn’t manage their budget.
So the bottom line is this: residential door-to-door sales can be a bother, yes. I’ll be the first to admit it. But when you look at the bigger picture (if you really look at it and think about it) you’ll see that to restrict residential door-to-door sales in any way will ultimately open the door to further restrictions on all of commerce. The next thing you know we’ll have laws saying you can’t approach anyone un-invited to sell anything.
As for your no-soliciting sign, I’ll probably knock. And you’ll probably buy from me. If not, that’s fine. your neighbors will.
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Perry,
One of our businesses actually does fertilizing and pest control. I first sold pest control door-to-door in Las Vegas when I was 18. I moved on to other things, and after I built a successful marketing business I decided to give the pest control business a shot. We’ve been growing it slowly over the past couple years, and eventually maybe one of our boys will take it over.
So far we haven’t run any summer sales programs or anything. But we probably will this summer (2010). You’ve got the upper hand though. Down South most people have contracted pest service, and where we are it’s only about 30%-40%.
I recommend every young man who plans to work in the private sector (non-government) sell something at some time door-to-door. It’s one of the most character-building experiences they’ll ever have. And they’ll have greater respect for their employer and for what it takes to grow a successful business.
Any young people between the ages of 18 and 25 who are looking for an opportunity to make $15,000+ during their summer college breaks should consider working for a company like yours. Security system sales is another good one.
But, sales is not for everyone. It can be discouraging at times, but that’s what builds the character.
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Nate, what do you currently sell? And what will it cost to get you working with me?
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LOL.
Ladies and gents, I believe Nate is being 100% honest.
That’s right, I think he actually believes his own “brand” of BS.
What makes America great is no longer attributed to such ideals as Democracy, individual liberty, sacrifice, innovation, and justice.
-What makes America great is door-to-door sales.
-We need to replace the “Bill of Rights” with the “Bill of Sale” in our children’s history books.
-We need to stop studying the revolutionary wisdom and foresight of our Founding Fathers, and instead study the financial wizardry of the “FUNDing fathers” of Kirby Vacuum.
-We need to replace Veteran’s day with Salesman’s Day.
-Let’s go ahead and drop the pretense, and call Christmas what it is: Economy Day.
-Instead of fighting for Civil Rights, we need to fight for Sellers’ Rights.
-We don’t need health care reform. We need wealth care reform! Ha ha.
-It’s not all about Benjamin Franklin’s genius as a statesman, anymore. Now, it’s all about the Benjamins.
Nate, you seem to have a complex about your chosen occupation, because you feel it necessary to continually make boastful claims about your income, and defend the rights of all D2D sales at this blog. Apparently all of these “’protective’ measures” you claim that subordinates America below the Chinese, haven’t stopped you from doing all right for yourself in America, eh Nate? You also thought it necessary to swing blindly at my profession, even though you have no clue what I do for a living.
You can’t have it both ways, Nate. Either the Chinese are great (despite their lack of freedom, equitable wages, self government) or they’re the evil communists.
Did you actually read what you wrote about fundraisers? Nate, please get over yourself. The purpose of fundraisers is NOT to teach children how to be good little salesmen. Can’t you even come off it for one second? I’m pretty sure the purpose of a fundraiser is to, now follow me here, RAISE FUNDS. That usually means for some type of charity or non-profit event. This is just getting silly.
Bill Gates-lore, I love it. Apparently, at a Plumber convention, they all say he got his start plunging toilets, and at the Dentist convention, they say he got his start pulling teeth. When Bill Gates got his start, if he went door to door selling computers, at the prices of the time, he would have wasting colossal amounts of time. The public didn’t even know what a computer was, outside of sci-fi. He would have been incredibly foolish to resort to that. Besides, Bill Gates was a software guy, not a hardware guy. That means he would have really been wasting his time going door-to-door trying to find the 1% of homes with a computer who could even use his product! I think you meant Steve Jobs, not Bill Gates, but my point still stands.
You said: “You say you didn’t need the door-to-door “hero” to buy what you have. That’s a false statement. Because all the businesses you bought those things from absolutely needed door-to-door and outside salesmen to move their products into the market. Every department store has a merchandise agent that is approached every day by outside salesmen going out to sell the goods.”
I say: Thank you for proving I don’t need a salesman to come to MY house.
I know you think quite highly of yourself, but you can’t sell me, Nate.
D2D salesmen are not heroes.
D2D salesmen are not our Founding Fathers.
D2D salesmen are not protected by the Constitution.
D2D salesmen are NOT what makes our country great.
I’ll clarify, again, that they are not necessarily villains, either. If you show me disrespect by ignoring my sign, or in the absence of a sign, ignoring my emphatic “NO,” then I will have to return the favor.
That is all I have to say about that.
-Jay
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lol i like to read all the opinions its nice.
Sales is a good way for teens and college kids to earn money and develope skills that will help there future in whatever they do.
we have been salesmen since we came up with reasons to stay at a friends house or go watch a new movie…we have been selling our whole lives, now i have always heard kirby salesman are assholes and im sure they are, who wants to pay 2 grand for a damn vacuum.. anyway, ive done 2 summer sales programs and sold directv and dish network.
my second year i was the manager of an office in st louis,mo and then moved to springfield,mo. i made 50 sales in one month in st louis, thats 5 grand! for a 23 yr old college student…i trained 10 kids to go out and make money for themselves and not to live off mommy and daddy..i really hate to see kids do that or even worse work 40 hours a week for 200 bucks at mcdonalds…thats awful
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Sorry Nate, your post didn’t pop up for me until after I reposted my question.
Do you plan to do your own recruiting, etc.? You have the experience. I too have started a marketing company , after 5 years working knocking – including Las Vegas in 2004
This year I had 3 little pest control company projects, but next year I only have one lined up. If you don’t already have it handled, let me know if you need a recruiter or more.
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Still, Jay, what I say has truth to it. The foundation of this country was built by hard working salesmen. I take no credit for myself; I give all the credit to the great innovators who harnessed their creative powers AND sold their ideas. A great idea is nothing until it is sold. Fact. You can’t argue that.
And the Chinese do not have to be either great or evil communists, as you put it. They are in an amazing transition, proving capitalism works.
What “continual” boastful claims about my income are you referring to? Perhaps you mean my continual boastful claims about selling and salesmanship. Call it boastful if you want. It doesn’t matter.
And maybe I have proved that it’s not necessary for a salesman to come to your house. But at the same time I’ve proved that it’s necessary for salesmen to have the freedom and right to go unannounced, uninvited, anywhere commercial transactions might occur.
And yes, door-to-door salesmen are protected by the Constitution. That’s an asinine statement on your part. Really. Come on.
And the Founding Fathers sure did go from town to town sharing (selling) their ideas. It’s the same concept. And they asked people to give their time and resources to fighting the British. NOTE: The Founding Fathers DID NOT force anyone to give of their substance to pay for the government or any re-distribution of wealth.
I will agree with you 100% on one thing. In fact I couldn’t have put it any better myself. “We don’t need health care reform. We need WEALTH care reform!” Imagine if everyone took responsibility for their own welfare. Imagine the government not forcing one group of people to carry the load of another group. Yes, we need reform in financial education. We need to teach people to care for their own “wealthbeing”.
Please, stop with your diversions and attacks. Nobody cares about plumbers conventions. The fact is that Bill Gates did get his start selling door-to-door, as did Steve Jobs. They both went out into the world and sold their ideas, goods, and services. You can doubt it all you want. How about showing evidence to the contrary?
Nowhere have I said that Democracy, individual liberty, sacrifice, innovation, and justice have not made this country great. But without the liberty to sell, and make necessary sacrifices in building a business, and to innovate and bring new ideas to market, there can be no justice.
However, when you take away a person’s liberty to sell, or cause people to sacrifice too much through excessive taxes or commercial restrictions, innovation essentialy stops, and there is injustice.
If you comment again like you did previously, you’ll sound like someone who has lost an argument. Please, reply with some sensible comments that appeal to reason and common sense. Even a little constitutionality is welcome. Also, if you have any special insights on economics or statistics on how small door-to-door sales to homes and businesses don’t really affect the economy or boost it all that much, please share them.
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“If you comment again like you did previously, you’ll sound like someone who has lost an argument.”
Spoken like someone who is afraid of losing. It’s fun to pick arbitrary criteria to define “winning” an argument.
Let me try. If you comment again using the word “sales,” you’ll sound like someone who has lost an argument. You see, Nate? Just because you say it, that doesn’t make it true. Just because you make grandiose claims about the boundless good of door to door sales, doesn’t make them true, either.
Let’s analyze your arguments here:
The Chinese government is indeed doing well, economically. How about the workers? At what “price” is all of this progress? Here’s a rhetorical question for you: Is it better to be free and poor, or rich and subjugated. This is all academic, of course. None of it has to do with obnoxious D2D salesmen who ignore “No Soliciting” signs.
I’m glad we agree that the fate of America does not rely on salesmen at my door. That single breakthrough really renders the rest of this exchange moot. There certainly is a time and place for everything. I believe you nailed it on the head. There is such a thing as a marketplace, where “commercial transactions” should occur. Maybe we should call it a day. Again, no one is saying sales are bad. No one is saying capitalism is bad. You keep using those as straw man tactics.
As for Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, the burden of proof is on you, I’m afraid. You made the claim. Show me where either of those two went door to door, (again, the kind I have been talking about-HOMES), to market their wares.
You never denied that Democracy, individual liberty, sacrifice, innovation, and justice made our country great, though you conveniently omitted them during your “Sales are GRRRRREEEAT!” tirade. (Show ‘em you’re a Tiger!) All you did was try to elevate D2D sales to the same level as those ideals mentioned. I’m telling you it’s not the same, not even close. My exaggerated examples were meant to illustrate the silliness of the very assertion.
I can show you the Constitution of the U.S. Other than, maybe Prohibition, no where at all is sales mentioned, or more specifically D2D sales. I guess one could say that international commerce is mentioned, but my point is made. So, how is my statement asinine? I win. (See? I declared it!)
The Founding Fathers sold their ideas of a new form of government in town halls, city squares, churches, and even taverns. The modern style of going door to door was not practical, because much of the country was spread out. We were a nation of farmers. In fact James Madison, the “Father of the Constitution” idealized America as a nation of farmers. Now, it seems we are a nation of “pay separate shipping and handling.” Oh, I digress.
You said: “Also, if you have any special insights on economics or statistics on how small door-to-door sales to homes and businesses don’t really affect the economy or boost it all that much, please share them.”
I say: Hey buddy, YOU made the claim that “the future of the United States” relies on these sales. I merely expressed doubt. The burden of proof is again on your shoulders to substantiate your fanciful claims.
You bemoan some imaginary move to “take away a person’s liberty to sell,” yet you don’t bat an eye at the loss of privacy in one’s home. In fact, you deny such a right. You called us “selfish.”
I’ll make a simple summary for your reply:
-No one is calling for an end to capitalism other than Michael Moore, so stop accusing us with these straw man arguments.
-If you are an honest D2D salesman and make a living, and you’re happy, then great!
-Understand that many people (not all) don’t want to put up with those type of sales in their homes. If they put up a sign, don’t be “asinine,” just move on.
The economy will keep on going, and the world will keep on spinning. It’s a beautiful thing.
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Been on both sides; hated it on both sides. I do not go along with D2D sales; I believe that a customer is intelligent enough to know what he/she needs, and when and where he/she will buy something.
Yet, if someone rings at my door AND he/she does not disturb me, and I have a few moments to spare, I am nice, smiling, see what they offer, may be (2% probability) even buy something. Well, unfortunately, in over 60% of the time, this is not the case.
Freedom of commercial speech is great – and customers have this right and they exercise it by deciding to put or not to put “No Soliciting” signs.
Now for the contribution of salesman to building America…. I strongly believe the sales technique developed in America is the very best you can get, sales being nowadays a talent and implying the ability to convice someone he/she must do the opposite of what they (thought they) want.
But I am convinced 100% that this very evolves sales technique is in a large proportion to blame for the financial crises in America now (last year).
America got here (in the crisis) mainly because of all the crazy people who spend lots and lots on money on things they didn’t even need (but where brainwashed and convinced otherwise by clever marketing and talented salespersons)so they ended up getting lots and lots of money on credit …. and finally relised they are unable to pay. So dear salespersons, you did a great job!
Of course salespersons are needed, and there are enough people welcoming D2D salespersons; but when you cross the line from presenting a product to people and selling it to whomever wants it (which is GOOD) to convincing people they have needs they did not know about…. that is BAD.
Worked as a salesperson, several times; last time – last year – when my boss asked “who among you sold s product to a client who told him right in the face “I don’t need this product but I’ll buy it from you because I like you”? ….ald ALL my colleagues raise dtheir hands… I had a clear view about “meeting our clients needs” and “this is selling, not begging”; so clear that I quit the job, this time for good.
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Jay, you’ve made no point about the constitutionality of door-to-door sales. You’ve only pointed out that you haven’t researched the prescident set by the federal judge who ruled that restricting such sales is a violation of commercial free speech rights. Look it up…Kirby won that one. And in 1886, the Supreme Court ruled that a corporation was a “person” for purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment, a holding that provided grounds to argue that business entities, as well as individuals, are entitled to First Amendment protection. In 1980 the Supreme Course defined commercial speech as “expression related solely to the economic interests of the speaker and its audience,”. In 1993 the Court ruled again, “The commercial marketplace, like other spheres of our social and cultural life, provides a forum where ideas and information flourish. Some of the ideas and information are vital, some of slight worth. But the general rule is that the speaker and the audience, not the government, assess the value of the information presented. Thus, even a communication that does no more than propose a commercial transaction is entitled to the coverage of the First Amendment.”
Aparently Bill Gates started his door-to-door selling quite early. His father wrote, “[Bill's] first brush with commerce was as a Cub Scout selling nuts door to door during the holidays.” From an article by Tim Talevich in May 2009.
In the early 70′s Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak sold electronics door-to-door. It was their first business venture together.
And my whole point here has been that to restrict this form of sales will be detrimental to the economy of the USA. There would be a dominoe effect that would destroy the economic fabric of this nation.
As for the Chinese, many of them are experiencing a higher quality of life than they ever have. Capitalism and a shift away from communism are making their country better every day.
Meanwhile, unnecessary economic restricitons and redistribution of wealth through national health care, home and car purchase rebates, and bailouts move us closer to socialism. The Founding Fathers surely never had any intention of requiring society as a whole to pay for the shortcomings of the few (or many).
I am done here. It really comes down to individual opinions. We should both read what Diana says above and ponder a bit. I agree with nearly everything she wrote.
To any salesmen here reading this: It is wrong to sell someone something they cannot benefit from. Wallace D. Wattles wrote a book wherein he states that a good exchange only takes place when there is more use value in what is being sold than cash value. This is true, and the greed of many people ignoring this principle has caused all the economic problems we’re now experiencing. Greed in the financial sector…and the greed of the public who (possibly in their ignorance) took more than they earned. This only proves what I said about the need to increase financial education. Education is the key. Unfortunately, our schools don’t teach financial education, at least not very well.
Diana, the only thing I disagree with you on is that sometimes people are not aware of things in the market place that can benefit them or make their lives better. And sometimes it takes convincing. But it’s important for salespeople to never cross the line and sell someone something that really won’t benefit them or bring them joy. To do so is deceptive and wrong.
Goodbye everybody. I’ve spent enough time here. Jay, good luck. Don’t be too harsh after I’m gone.
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Nate,
Me, harsh? Maybe you need to go read the posts in order, again. You were the one replete with hyperbole and inflammatory remarks. You were the one who started shouting in ALL CAPS, and calling people selfish. The fact that I followed suit disqualifies me from angel status, granted. However, you’ve got nerve to posture as the innocent victim and call ME harsh. Good stuff.
You are drawing your own conclusion that those particular court rulings you cited transcend to include door to door sales at private homes. The use of the term “commercial marketplace” in your example seems to be at odds with your own conclusion.
I simply look at the Court’s decision, Ohralik v. Ohio State Bar Ass’n. There, the court specifically relegated commercial speech BELOW noncommercial speech. The Court said it’s not equal. You may look it up yourself.
Okay, so if Bill Gates washed cars as a kid, we could all say he got his start washing cars. You make a magical connection between Bill Gates selling nuts door to door with his success at founding Microsoft?!?!? LOL. Nate, I bet he mowed lawns, too. You really get into your sales, don’t you? Everything in your life is somehow connected to sales? George Washington? Yep, got his start selling cherries door to door. That’s why he had to cut down that tree! (And now you know, the REST of the story).
I am really intrigued with your continual citing of China as your ideal. Again, the price of tea in China has nothing to do with obnoxious and obtuse salesmen visiting my door. Still, the irony does not escape me that you praise China, and yet if you were Chinese, and criticized your government the way you’ve criticized America, you’d be locked up. You’re worshiping a false idol.
I’m satisfied that we have busted the myth that D2D sales are the key to the future success of America.
Good luck out there on the streets of America.
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It’s amazing how Cynical our society is.
Cynical – distrustful of human nature: doubting or contemptuous of human nature or the motives, goodness, or sincerity of others
Many will never understand how hard it is to be a door-to-door sales person (not finding other employment) they have no alternative but to knock on doors to provide for themselves and their families. It is humiliating to go from door to door and be told no over and over. For every 100 doors they knock on, they hope 2-3 of them will buy.
The fact is that some homes do need a vacuum cleaner, to switch from satellite to cable or vice versa, their lawns mowed, storm windows, and etc. For the most part these products are a good deal at a discounted price.
Also, the sales persons (if backed by a reputable company) have had their backgrounds checked and have received a special permit from the local municipality to knock on your door.
So next time, before you shut your mind, and become oblivious to the product, at least listen for a minute to what they have to say, evaluate to see if it’s for you, if not, be courteous and send them on the way.
My 2 cents from an x- door to door sales person, who really tried to offer people what he thought was a good deal for the customer.
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The problem with the thought that, if the product is a good product it will sell fine in the stores is only part true.
The problem for retail sales today, is that more and more store fronts are being closed and companies are going to online and door to door methods. In 2009 80% of consumers in America purchase products online. By 2011 it is forecasted that nearly 100% of america will be purchasing products online or by door to door method without going to a store front. There are many companies that sell their product door to door and inform you of need. While i dont believe that the storefront will go away completely, I most definately believe that it will greatly diminish. ITS HAPPENING. It is not right to say “if you really need something, you already know it.” that may be a “most likely”, however many people have needs and dont know it. But ultimately what it all boils down to is perspective. To deny that would be foolish and ignorant. Im not saying that people need a kirby, im not defending many of the companies that go door to door. I do believe that many are scams and they ruin it for people like myself. But the truth is, many advertising methods are hard for the SMALLER business to obtain due to high costs. So for the smaller business, they must go door to door, and use cheaper methods to get started. I own a pest control company. I have used to the door to door method. I do try to sell my product absolutely, but i will never Push it on someone that i dont believe needs it. I have a heart and part of the reason why i decided to start my company was because the company i was working for was HURTING people. Many people truly needed the product but i believed they should get bigger discounts. (seniors) And some people dont need the product. BUT Many people want the service when informed of the variables. Pesticides are dangerous for individuals to handle with out proper training. EVEN household products. The funny thing is im also a firefighter/emt and i respond to the incidents where people get poisoned accidentally. Its common. So to inform the person at the door that i am a professional, trained, licensed and insured, and i can do the job in a safe way.. this is what it costs. people are glad to buy. If they havent heard of my co and what i offer than how can i expect them to get to my business. If they dont know the needs and that im actually there to help them… then how will they know unless i tell them. My grandmother did not use a pest control service all her life. Little did she know, the allergies in her house were caused by rats. little did she know that she was paying more than the cost of my service in wasted energy and other problems due to termites/ants and rodents. Same with my parents. It costed both of them thousands up front to repair, and then they have to maintain service now in order to get good rates on insurance. Bla
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Nate,
This country was built on capitalism. You are right when you say this. Do you know what the fundamental concept from which everything else within capitalism proceeds?
I’ll give you a hint. It’s not simple “free trade.” There is something even more fundamental than that. It’s the sovereign right to private property. It is from that basis that everything else in the capitalist system proceeds.
When you harass someone at their home when you are not wanted, you are violating their private property rights. You are acting as though their domain is somehow YOUR domain. In essence, by your very actions you are acting as though property really should be collective since you are obviously ignoring and trampling on someone’s right to have full determination regarding what happens on their property.
So, really, stop seeing yourself as a defender of the capitalist system. You’re not. You and your ilk are quite the opposite. You have no respect for private property and the wishes of those who possess it. If you did have the proper respect for the fundamental concepts which underlie a capitalist system, you would know that other people are not obligated to give you a platform to say what you want on their property. You don’t have a right to come into a person’s private property and harass them until they buy something so you will go away. When you do that, you are violating capitalism, not participating in it.
Beyond this, capitalism is based on voluntary transactions. When you do a sales presentation under false pretenses, like many door-to-door salespeople do, the degree to which the transaction is voluntary is iffy at best. There is nothing “voluntary” about being coerced to buy, for example, a vacuum cleaner I do not want in order to make someone go away and leave me alone. In fact, the moment I decide you are not welcome on *my* private property, you are trespassing and violating my personal rights, those same rights that make capitalism possible in the first place. When you and your ilk do this, I have every right to call the cops and have you folks removed.
It is essential for people to realize this. Opposing coercive door-to-door practices is not anti-free enterprise — it’s pro-private property. Why do you oppose the fundamental right of people to be secure in their persons and property?
Maybe you would be happier in a place without private property. I’ll give you a hint — those places are definitely not capitalist.
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A violation of property rights? Your right up is well-written. But you’re loony. If you don’t want something from a door-to-door guy, say “no” and shut your door.
If you’re that special Texan that thinks they can shoot anyone who looks at your lawn, post some signs so you can make your next shooting more legit… no trespassing, no soliciting, I’m really cranky, something like that.
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@Perry
If advocacy for property rights and the fundamental freedoms this country affords to its citizens makes me a loon, chalk me up as crazy. I’d rather be considered crazy and have my rights recognized and respected than embrace whatever vision of “sanity” one who does not respect such rights might advocate. Property rights are sacred and inviolable. Whatever one might argue for contrary to that is the very opposite of “capitalism.”
Lest I be mistaken, though, I do not have a problem with door-to-door sales per se. What I find contemptible are the practices of those who gain access onto people’s private property under false pretenses and then proceed to strong arm people in their own homes. I also have a real problem with people who prey on people’s good natures and refuse to leave when they are asked to do so.
It is good for people to have resources such as this blog page telling them that it is okay to tell a salesman “no” and, if absolutely necessary, to call the police to remove them from the premises. It is important that people be made aware of the means through which unethical salespeople try to gain access to homes under false pretenses.
Maybe you are not into these practices yourself. If that is the case, I salute you and wish you the best in business. You will find no quarrel with me. I have nothing but utter disdain, however, for those who are willing to rationalize the violation of the very principles upon which our country and economic system were built.
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There is nothing that makes me more livid than a salesperson/ political campaigner/ religous proselytizer/ scam artist ringing my doorbell or knocking, as my home is my sanctuary. Before I resorted to my signs, at least one of the above would ring my doorbell every day, totally interrupting my bliss (and causing my dog to go nuts).
I put up a handwritten sign detailing the people above and included the words “Do not knock! Do not ring bell!” No one knocked or rang for more than a year. It was such a great deterrent that my UPS guy, who I just happened to run into outside, asked if it included him, LOL.
I then thought it would look nicer to have a store-bought sign that said No Soliciting. Only one “salesperson” has violated that sign (I’ll get to that later), but the No Soliciting sign does not deter political campaigners or religious folks. For instance, some little old lady rang my bell the week before Easter. I asked (through the unopened door) what she wanted (thinking she couldn’t be a solicitor due to the sign), and she said she wanted to invite me to celebrate Christ. I told her (still through the closed door) “I have a no soliciting sign on my door!!!” She got very defensive and insisted she wasn’t soliciting. I walked away into another part of the house while she was still talking. Apparently campaigners and proselytizers do not understand they fall under the definition of solicitors.
And then, just tonight the doorbell rang with my store-bought No Solicitng sign out front. It is local election time and I saw two campaigners out there. I ignored them.
Therefore I just created another homemade sign on the computer with a Yosemite Sam graphic with the two guns blazing with BACK OFF! Below the graphic I printed: NO CAMPAIGNING! NO PROSELYTIZING! NO SOLICITING! NO EXCEPTIONS! THIS MEANS YOU!
Apparently some people need it spelled out to them.
Back to the one “salesperson” who violated my No Soliciting sign: it was a scam artist offering to fix my scratched car on the spot for cash. He rang my bell and asked if that was my car out front. I thought maybe he had hit it or something, even though it’s parked in the driveway. As soon as he gave his shady pitch, I ran him off quick. A week or so later I was getting my mail at the end of the driveway when another scamster offered the same thing regarding my car. I walked away without engaging him at all.
I then went inside and Googled “mobile auto repair scam” and sure enough it’s a nation-wide gang that goes around destroying people’s cars with bondo under the guise of “fixing” a scratch for cash. If another one of these low-lifes approaches me with this scam, I will take a picture of him, his car, his license plate and I will call the police sub-station (which is on direct-dial in my cell phone) immediately and testify against him in the ensuing trial (as they have victimized many people and are only awaiting to be indentified by a good citizen such as myself).
For all you door-to-door salesmen on this site who state they will ring a bell even if there is a No Soliciting sign, have you no respect for your fellow human beings? Do you not have personal lives wherein you would like to enjoy the peace and serenity of your own private homes for which you work so hard? If you want to invade the lives of people who have not indicated that they don’t mind complete strangers intruding on them, that’s one thing. But if you ring the bell of someone with a No Soliciting sign, you are nothing but vile predators and nuisances.
My No Soliticing sign does not indicate an easy sale, I assure you. I have never purchased from a door-to-door salesperson, including a child, and never will. I will not even open the door to a stranger, but only talk to them through the door.
As I stated, except for the scratch repair scam artist, not one “salesperson” has knocked or rang my bell for the duration of my two No Soliciting signs. Apparently the honest salespeople in my area are swift enough to know that knocking/ringing in the face of a No Soliciting sign would be fruitless.
I will admit I am a bit flabbergasted that I had to put out an additional sign spelling out that solicitors include those of religious and political persuasion. Do they not get the point that a No Soliciting sign really means I DON’T WANT TO BE BOTHERED BY ANYONE FOR ANY REASON!?
P.S. Great discussion! I found it while looking for ideas for my new sign. I’ll keep you all updated as to how well it works during this election season.
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@Pelican
Great comment. You did an excellent job spelling out some of my personal frustrations with some of these people.
I will reiterate that I do not necessarily have a problem with salespeople in and of themselves. I do not necessarily even have a problem with everyone who goes door-to-door; I do not have a “no solicitation” sign at my house. I have had people come to my door in the past who were respectful, took maybe five minutes of my time, applied no pressure, and gave me time to mull matters over before making a purchase. I have gotten some decent products and services through that approach.
A few days ago, though, I was at my dad’s house, who was working on fixing a car in his garage. Two fellows approached us. They claimed they were with a new carpet cleaning company in the area, were trying to generate advertising through word of mouth, and wanted us to give them a quick evaluation of their services. We weren’t interested. “Oh, but Ian here is involved in a contest and if he does a certain number of carpets he’ll get to go to Las Vegas!” “Yeah, man, and I’ve never been before!” Alright, so we let them in. Despite what you salespeople might tell yourselves so that you can sleep well at night, we did not let them in because we are selfish or because we wanted something for nothing — we did it because we are nice people who are willing to help a local business and some kid. From the outset we were not going to get, “something for nothing.” In exchange for that “carpet cleaning” we were already giving them our valuable time, access to my dad’s house (which, in turn, involves an extension of trust), and, were the services good, a willingness to provide referrals, a positive evaluation, and valuable word of mouth advertising. Considering that it really is not particularly difficult or time consuming to shampoo a carpet (having done it numerous times ourselves), it seemed like a fair trade. That is what some of you salespeople do not understand in the first place — there never was a free lunch involved from the homeowner’s point of view. Quite the contrary, as really it is a matter of the homeowner doing a major favor for someone who is otherwise a total stranger.
After gaining access to my father’s house under false pretenses, claiming that they just needed the service evaluated and falsely claiming that they were not selling anything, they proceeded to waltz about as though they owned the place. They threw filthy filters about on my dad’s carpet, made snide comments about the disgusting nature of my dad’s home, and were generally disrespectful towards my dad’s brand new $600 Royal vacuum which, at one point, they took the liberty of placing outside without my father’s permission.
This nonsense went on for two hours. My dad told them several times that we are not interested and that they needed to leave but they insisted that they would not get credit for the demo unless it was completed. When one of the guys responded to my dad’s comment that we weren’t buying with, “But if you were to buy, would you be paying cash, check, or need financing?” I finally stood up, informed them that no purchasing would be taking place, and told them that the demonstration was over while gathering up their filthy little filter pads, which I proceeded to toss out. I am glad that got rid of them, as my next step would have been to have called the cops.
At that point I simply did not care whether the fellows in question got credit for the demonstration. That is not my problem and ties into my biggest complaint about some of you salespeople. You folks have this whiny sense of entitlement which you have allowed to convince you that you somehow have a right to gain access to someone’s private property under false pretenses, spend several hours in their home while insulting them in various ways, perform a job completely different than the one you initially said you would do, and then expect that you are somehow entitled to be paid for it. Guess what? You are no different from the filthy beggar on the street corner who, unsolicited, sprays Windex on my window, wipes it down with a dirty paper towel, and holds out his hand expecting to be paid. That is you.
Some of you folks act like you just want honest pay for honest work. When you misrepresent your intentions and perform a service different from the one you had initially offered (a vacuum demonstration versus a simple carpet cleaning) and, in essence, change the terms of the agreement from “quick and free” to “drawn out and we don’t really get anything for this unless you buy”, you have not done honest work. Instead, you have lied, wasted my time, and are expecting a handout for it. That’s not sales — that’s welfare.
You high-pressure door-to-door salespeople are like the lady with the five screaming kids in line in front of me at the supermarket buying three hundred dollars worth of groceries using my hard earned tax dollars because she is on food stamps. The spirit is the same — just as she thinks she should get paid tax money for the effort of spreading her legs, you think you should get paid for giving me a demonstration I didn’t want in the first place. You think you are entitled to my time in the first place because you showed up at my door; she thinks she is entitled to free groceries because she lives in this country and showed up at the welfare office. Mr. High-Pressure Salesman — You are the same, you and her. You probably expect me to pay for your health care as well.
Again, let me repeat — I am not talking to honest salespeople who are respectful, who do not misrepresent who they are or what they are selling, and who are willing to give people time after the demonstration to think things over, do research, and discuss matters with their significant other. You folks are alright, at least so long as you are not operating under the assumption that you are somehow entitled to bother someone who has specifically posted a “No solicitations” sign on their door. If you think you are entitled to do that then you might as well think you are entitled to welfare since you obviously believe you somehow inherently have a right to other people’s valuable time and hard earned money. It is this growing mindset among people that has led to this nation’s economic decline. You do not represent part of the solution; you represent the problem.
If a homeless woman came to your door, lied her way into your living room, and started to pester you for money you would first ask her to leave and, barring that, you would call the cops. There is no reason to think that it should be any different just because she is peddling an overpriced vacuum cleaner or wants to sell you a water filtration system. Salespeople — you are not entitled to our time or our money. If you want to be a salesperson, be a salesperson — be respectful, courteous, honest, and cognizant of the fact that you are a guest who is already imposing on someone else by being in their home. If you want to be a beggar — rude, dishonest, obnoxious, rife with entitlement — that’s fine, but don’t call yourself a salesperson and don’t be surprised when we call the cops to remove you. You’re just giving the real, decent, hardworking salespeople a bad name.
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Great post, Matt!
Like yourself, I do not have anything against honest door-to-door salespeople. I do, however, have something against salespeople who would violate a No Soliciting sign. The only “salesperson” to violate mine was a criminal. Apparently the honest door-to-door salespeople in my area have enough respect for their fellow man to obey the sign and understand that it means the homeowner wants his solitude, unlike the unethical, disrespectful salespeople posting on this site.
On another note, I found some information on a police site that may be of help to some of you. A policeman gave this advice as to what to put on your own hand-made or computer-generated sign:
No Soliciting
Pursuant to [your state's trespass law/statute],
this property is posted as a “No Soliciting” area.
Solicitors are forbidden.
Soliciting is forbidden.
Solicitors are defined as:
Any person selling any product;
Any person campaigning for any political candidate or political purposes;
Any person involved in any reglious activities;
[Add whatever else irks you]
Any persons violating this notice will be prosecuted under the penalties set forth in [repeat your state law/statute for trespass inculing statute number]
It helps keep the riff-raff away. And if it really bothers you, you can even call the police and have the person cited. Contrary to popular belief, your house is private property and people don’t have the right to come to your door.
http://www.realpolice.net/forums/ask-cop-112/54998-door-door-solicitation-laws.html
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Update: after exhaustive research I have determined that a “No Trespassing” sign at the edge of one’s property is the best legal tool against solicitors, etc.
If anyone, even someone with a soliciting permit, enters on a property with a “No Trespassing” sign, and the property-owner calls the police, said trespasser will be arrested and prosecuted.
The power of a “No Trespassing” sign versus a “No Soliciting” sign is what the nuisance salespeople on this site aren’t telling you.
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Get them arrested? Are you kidding me? At least that’s not extreme. Did you realize that no matter what you do for a career someone sells it. They are probably dealing with jerks all day. Yet they do their job and the rest of the company benefits. Be thankful.
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I once had a problem with those door to door salesmen. Until i came across an Australian site that sells “No selling” stickers. I purchased one and stuck it to my front door and havent had a problem with door-to-door solicitors since! Family and friends comment on it saying “Thats a great idea” and about its nice design. Just sharing my experiences check it out dontselltome.com
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Well ive been selling directv and dishnetwork for 2 yrs door to door, I went out yesterday and made 2 sales in 3 hours..thats 260 bucks in my pocket and I didnt charge anyone a dime…switched them from dish network to directv, and one from directv to dish network
basically giving them a new customer promotion and all new equipment for their home.
Ive made many sales at homes that have no soliciting and no trespassing signs. and not one person ever seems to get upset…probably since im not selling steak or vacuums door to doo
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Well obviously tyler, you are an honest salesman or a damn good one. I guess if what you’re doing pertains to what they already have or upgrading their service its not that bad. And you don’t charge them anything??
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I cannot believe the comments that i am hearing, there are many legitimate companies offering products door to door. If you cant say no i wouldnt Ban all door to door products. I would simply get some help asserting myself because im sure getting scammed by door to door fly by night companies are not your biggest problem. I answer the door all the time and evaluate each individual product to see if i can use it, i got a great cable package from a guy going door to door for one of the largest cable companies in our area, im paying 25% less that what there commercials promote. these guys are out there busting there butts to offer you a promotion, and because of a few bad apples and your obviuos inability to make decisions and assert yourself, your going to ban all door to door products. Doesnt make sense to me, seems like a lazy approach to dealing with some bigger issues you have
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Just has some door to door LA times “college students” come thru – those seem to be the only solicitors we get… they did a huge speech before I realized why they were at my door. So painful.. they even kept talking once I shut the door! Anyway, this article is very helpful & I also liked KC’s tactic “I’m sorry, I don’t answer the door to strangers.”
I’m going to try that next time so I don’t have to say NO 3 times.
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@Maria #50
“selling their false religion”,? In comparison to what? The other “True” religions? True and False in this matter is a comparative notion amplified by personal opinions.
Every other religion sells itself also its just in a different fashion. Something maybe you and I would tolerate better, but, in all fairness, they still sell their dogmas never-the-less. Door-to-door, literature, social gatherings, family, National rooted dogmas inherited by generations and taken from coast to coast by travelers who placed the seed in the new land, Forced (or die), Whats popular and cool in our society (Christianity, Atheism, Mormonism,) …………etc.
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As a sales person who goes door to door for the majority of my business I generally know when I’m being blown off. I also understand that there are a lot of scumbags out there. The job is hard but the rewards are pretty darn good. The majority of these people are just like you. I’ve met sales people with no education, and some with much education. Some are ethical and some aren’t. I’ve worked for large and small corporation and met the exact same people there. Their job may be a little different than yours but they are only trying to pay their bills and feed their families just like you. The best thing to say is ” I’m not interested”. Yes they will most likely be persistent. That’s because an off day means no $$$. They can’t go to the office and sit in their chair and coast for the day. They truly earn every dollar. There’s no need to be rude or nasty to them just be firm and say no. Oh and never tell a sales person ” I’ll think about it”. That translates to an objection they need to overcome. Just say ” I’m not interested”. I do love people who send their kids to the door to say. “My parents aren’t home now”. The kids always look at their parents while saying it. It’s hilarious. I’d rather they just didn’t
Answer. After all I’m not the big bad wolf.
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Ok So you are sitting at home watching TV and someone comes to your door to try and sale you something you might just need anyways! But instead you make the person feel like he is the scum of the earth simply because he chooses to do whatever he has to do to feed his family and keep a roof over their heads instead of robbing idiots who rather make people feel like what they do is not good enough for certain idiots of our society who think they are too good to take a few minutes to listen to them! lol
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