Scratch Beginnings: An Interview with Adam Shepard Print
Monday, 18th February 2008 (by J.D.)This article is about Choices, Economics, Interviews, News
I just finished reading Barbara Ehrenreich’s Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America for the third time. In this book, the author chronicles three one-month stints working as one of the American poor. Her goal is to demonstrate that it’s difficult to succeed as a waitress, or a maid, or a Wal-Mart employee.
This is a book that I wanted to like — I sympathize with the author’s motives — but what could have been an interesting project (and an interesting book) is instead a bizarre Marxist screed about class warfare. Ehrenreich enters her experiment with the end in mind — failure — and she seems to do everything she can to make this end come to fruition.
Nickel and Dimed could have been so much more. I wanted to hear about the people Ehrenreich worked with, wanted to hear their backgrounds and stories and dreams, but very little of that comes through in the book. Instead, we learn about all the little ways in which Ehrenreich sabotages any chance at success.
Scratch beginnings
Though Nickel and Dimed has its fans, I’m not the only one who thinks Ehrenreich’s approach was flawed. A young man named Adam Shepard recently published a book called Scratch Beginnings: Me, $25, and the Search for the American Dream that chronicles his own time spent living and working the low-wage lifestyle.
Shepard — who is the first to admit that he has advantages that many of the working poor do not — started from scratch in Charleston, South Carolina, with $25 and the clothes on his back. He lived in a homeless shelter while looking for work. His goal was to start with nothing and, within a year, work hard enough to save $2500, buy a car, and to live in a furnished apartment.
It wasn’t easy, but Shepard succeeded. In ten months, he had his car, he had his furnished apartment, and he hadn’t just saved $2500 — he’d saved twice that. Was he lucky? Did he get good breaks because he’s a young white male? Probably. But I think much of his success also came from setting goals and working toward them.
In this two-minute video, Shepard describes his aims:
Last Friday, two Get Rich Slowly readers sent me a Christian Science Monitor story about Adam Shepard. Intrigued, I contacted him, and he agreed to be interviewed by e-mail.
An interview with Adam Shepard
J.D.
Tell us about your day-to-day life. How did you live? How did you pay for what you had? What financial sacrifices were you forced to make?
Adam
That was the greatest challenge for me. I was getting paid peanuts, but I want to keep as many of those peanuts in my pocket as possible. In the [homeless shelter], it was easy, because I didn’t have rent or a hefty food bill (breakfast and dinner were provided at the shelter). Once I moved out of the shelter, though, was when I really had to buckle down.
Sacrifice was the name of the game — delaying gratification — and I recognized that early on. I had immediately eliminated wants versus needs. Immediately.
- Cable? That’s $50 a month and it’s not that difficult to find some good shows on network television.
- Cell phone? $100 a month back in my pocket. If I had a business to run, I would need one, but as a mere laborer, it was easy to go without.
- Clothes were bought at the Goodwill, and all of my household products were generic brands.
Food was my kryptonite, and I had to pay special attention there. I used to love going out to eat, and when I eat, I eat like a horse. Couldn’t do it, though. Chicken and Rice-A-Roni dinners were substituted for trips out to simple bars and grills ($20 a pop at a minimum). To be honest with you, though, it was more fun to concoct various meals than it was to go out. I bought a book on cheap, easy meals from the Thrift Store and it was like a Bible of sorts for me while I was in Charleston.
It was also fun for me to seek out free entertainment (Charleston had a great weekly city guide). Once I met a few people, that became easier. Cards, basketball, renting movies. How can I have fun and still keep this money in my pocket?
Transportation was also an issue for me. I rode the bus for four months until I felt I was in a position financially to buy my own ride. I had my eyes on a 2006 Caddy, but I settled for an ’88 GMC Sierra pickup truck ($1000 cash, no car payments) with a torn interior, no radio, and no AC (brutal in the southeastern summer!). The driver’s side window didn’t roll up all the way and the passenger side window didn’t roll down. In every sense of the metaphor, it was the opposite of a chick magnet. But it got me from point A to point B, and that’s all I needed.
Even now, though, in my current life where I have a little bit more financial freedom, I’m still always looking to save money. Why do I need to go to the “real movie theatre” when I can go to the “dolla-fitty” and watch movies that might be a month or two old? Why Eddie Bauer, when Marshall’s essentially has the same clothes? Why Dr. Pepper when there’s Dr. Thunder? And on and on. Even with money to spare, I’m looking for ways to put that money to work for me rather than spending it on items that I don’t truly need for right now.
I know that one day I’ll be financially free enough to own the car I want, the house I want, the clothes I want. That day is not today, but the idea of delaying gratification keeps me going.
J.D.
Is it really that easy? You were able to do this because you had a goal. What was the situation like for those people you worked and lived with? Did they have goals? Did they save?
Adam
Of course it’s easy for me to say it was easy. I had a goal. I was out to prove a point. I had the mentality and I knew what I had to do to get the results I wanted.
But what surprised me most, and what makes my story so fascinating, is that so many people around me were doing the same thing. It was most prevalent in the shelter (where some people had spent a lifetime learning from their mistakes), but it was just as prevalent outside of the shelter with guys like Derrick Hale, who emerges as the hero of my experience in Charleston.
Derrick was a guy I was working with at the moving company. He had come from rural Kingstree, SC, and he truly knew what poverty was like having grown up in a world of bologna and pickle sandwiches and maybe the lights will turn on, maybe not. And there he was in Charleston, saving his money just like I was. Actually, that’s cocky of me to say, since I was learning so many lessons from him.
Derrick was unique in that not only did he have a goal, but he had a vision for achieving that goal. There’s a monumental difference, and I really learned that throughout the course of my time in Charleston. Everybody knows what they want (nice house, car, vacation money, etc.) and many people know what can get in the way of achieving those goals (see poor spending habits above). But! Some people really struggle with the discipline of their vision. Derrick wanted a house, and near the end of my time in Charleston, he moved into a brand new 3-bedroom, two-story house, with a patio and a fenced in yard for his daughter and dog to play. He was 25 and he worked as a mover, but he knew how to handle his money.
So, is it realistic to set goals and save your money and make worthy investments? Of course it is! Are people doing it? Of course they are, just as there are people that are squandering their money to bad habits.
J.D.
In other interviews, you say that you weren’t “particularly impressed” by Barbara Ehrenreich’s Nickel and Dimed, and that your project is a response to that book. Can you elaborate? What were you responding to?
Adam
Well, first of all, I’ll say that Ehrenreich is a very talented journalist. From the point of view that she writes well, Ehrenreich is okay with me.
But the thing about Nickel and Dimed that is so depressing is Ehrenreich’s attitude. Forget politics and economics for a moment. She had an agenda, and she wrote along those lines. She had a point to prove and she proved it. (Of course, the same can be said for my side of the story, although I’d like to think I went down to Charleston with a little bit more of an open mind.)
She wrote about how tough and depressing poverty is. Really? Tough and depressing? Of course it is! I wanted to believe that there were people living in these tumultuous circumstances who weren’t living the life of cyclical misery that Ehrenreich was writing about. So I sought a discovery of my own with this project.
The economics side of Ehrenreich’s story didn’t make sense to me from the beginning and she never proved her point. To me, anyway. She lived in a hotel, ate out, didn’t look for ways to really save money.
In the end, I discovered that both Ehrenreich and I have valid points. But there is a stark difference in her attitude. She postured to fail, and she did. I postured to succeed, and I did.
J.D.
Like Ehrenreich, you had a difficult time finding a job. Describe this experience. What made it difficult? How did you finally find work? What advice do you have for somebody who might be looking for work, but struggling to find it?
Adam
That was the biggest surprise of my journey. There I was, “Adam Shepard, the King of the American Dream,” out to live this incredible project, and after two weeks I didn’t have a job.
I was complaining about my woes in the workforce one night with a couple of the guys at the shelter. One of them, Phil Coleman, and I had a pretty colorful exchange where he essentially told me that I needed to be a whole heckuva lot more assertive. “You think managers are going to call here, eager to hire a homeless dude?”
So, he gave me the secret. To paraphrase, he told me to go to these managers and tell them who you are, that you are the greatest worker on the planet and that it would be a mistake not to hire you. If they take you on, great. If not, move on down the line. By day’s end, you’re gonna have a job.
So I did. The next day, I went to see Curtis at Fast Company, a moving company where I’d already applied. “Curt!” I said. “I’m Adam Shepard, and I’m the greatest mover on the planet. It would be a mistake for you not to hire me.” He looked at me across the table and smiled, knowing I was lying like hell to him. But he liked my attitude – especially after I offered to work a day for free – so he hired me on the spot.
Again, it’s interesting that I needed a boost from a comrade at the homeless shelter. I would have gotten a job eventually, but Phil Coleman gave me a hand up.
Everybody has their own unique situation in the workforce (skills, education…or not), but all I can say is that one day I’m going to woo a manager at a Fortune 500 company just like I did to Curtis at the moving company. Phil Coleman’s advice carries over to every walk of life.
J.D.
What advice can you offer others for whom low-wage jobs are a reality of life, who don’t have the luxury of returning to a middle-class lifestyle once the experiment is over?
Adam
Quite frankly, it is a marathon and not a sprint. That’s why I love the concept of this blog. Get Rich Slowly. Everyone has their own unique circumstances. Maybe you are young and healthy like me and you can fight out quick. Maybe you are a single mother of two and you need more time. Maybe you are an older gentleman and you’re confined to a wheelchair. Everybody faces adversity, and everybody has their own story to write in the end.
It’s important to question: Am I making the most of my situation? Am I on track? Am I prepared to be disciplined for 2, 3, 5, 10 years? This isn’t to say that we need to be robots – there’s a lot to be said about how happy we were down in Charleston as penny-pinchers – but we need to maintain that focus. And also, are we imparting our knowledge – and mistakes – on others…our friends, our family, our children? That’s how we really begin to break the cycle of the persistence of the same lifestyle.
And whatever you do, don’t lose sight of that prize that you’re shooting for.
J.D.
Poverty is a political football. What do you think can be done to help the working poor improve their situation.
Adam
There’s a lot to be said about the current welfare state. Is the government doing enough to help our working poor? I say there are many good programs. The programs I used really helped me get back on my feet. Can there be more? Sure — more educational programs on financial literacy and parenting, for example. More affordable housing and fair access to a college education for everyone would be great.
It’s not enough, though. It never has been, never will be. What can we do in the meantime, though?
The power has to be with the people. The government can’t help us if we aren’t helping ourselves. Cliché? Fair enough, but why are some people listening and others aren’t? I don’t really know the answer to that question.
But I do know that it is ever-so-important that we draw inspiration from others, those that are making it. Millions have lived the American Dream — from every culture, gender, size, etc. — just as millions have wasted the opportunities placed in front of them. My story is pretty cool, yeah, but I was fortunate to draw inspiration from the guys I met along the way: Phil Coleman, BG, Omar Walten, Derrick Hale. If my neighbor makes it out, then maybe I can make it out too! Especially if that neighbor goes back after he’s made it to spit out a few words of advice, to offer that bit of inspiration.
Our greatest heroes are those around us. I truly believe that, and that is why I want to get this story out as much as possible. If just one person gains inspiration and changes his or her life because of my book, then it’s a success. And, based on the emails I’ve received, it already is.
J.D.
Anything else you’d like the readers of Get Rich Slowly to know?
Adam
Don’t buy my book. Check it out from the library, borrow it from a friend, read it over a cup of coffee at Barnes and Noble. But don’t buy it.
Save your $13.95 plus shipping. Invest it. Buy a share of stock or a bucket and some water and go wash windows. Although it’s inspirational and enlightening (and damn entertaining!), you don’t need Scratch Beginnings to know what you have to do to make things happen in your life.
Final thoughts
I am not some neo-con crusader who believes that the poor deserve what they get. Far from it. I’m a middle-of-the-road kind of guy, who actually leans left on issues of poverty. But I also believe that success starts inside each of us, regardless of our circumstances. Generally, what we choose to do and how we react to our world plays a far greater role in what we’re able to accomplish than anything else. I like Shepard’s example, and believe it can be an inspiration to others. Meanwhile, Barbara Ehrenreich hates hope. It doesn’t surprise me she failed.
After re-reading Nickel and Dimed and interviewing Shepard, I feel more strongly than ever that basic financial literacy is one of the most important skills we can teach people to help them improve their quality of life. Poverty is a complex issue — there are no easy answers. Nations have been wrestling with the problem for centuries. But one small piece of the puzzle is teaching people the basics of personal finance.
Related articles from around the web:
- The official Scratch Beginnings web site.
- A review of Scratch Beginnings at Bookstalking.
- The Christian Science Monitor: Can you build a life from $25? (an interview with Shepard)
- NPR’s Weekend Edition: American Dream tracked down the hard way (an interview with Shepard)
- At the Cynical-C Blog, the discussion on Shepard’s experiment is rather divisive.
- Meanwhile, “Liberal Arts Dude” at An Ordinary Person is “bothered” by Shepard’s story.
- MSN Money: I make $6.50 an hour. Am I poor? (not about Shepard)
- MSN Money: Living ‘poor’ and loving it (not about Shepard)
You might also be interested to read a couple of past Get Rich Slowly articles: “Personal finance on film: The Farmer’s Wife” and “Breaking the shackles: How to escape from minimum wage”.
I am deeply grateful to Shepard for taking the time to answer my questions. His responses went far beyond what I was expecting. I look forward to reading his book.

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February 18th, 2008 at 5:45 am
I am a firm believer of striving for what you want by going out and getting it.
February 18th, 2008 at 5:47 am
How ironic that I’ll be finished reading “Nickle and Dimed” today. I, too, am disappointed in the book. Either she, as you said, set out to sabotage her own success, or else she’s completely out of touch with the survival skills of minimum wage workers.
I’ll look into “Scratch Beginnings”. Sounds like it’s the book I thought “Nickle and Dimed” would be.
February 18th, 2008 at 5:57 am
Great interview, JD! I’d love a PDF version of Mr. Shephard’s book, was there an email address to reach him at?
February 18th, 2008 at 5:59 am
So JD, how do we get in touch with Adam to get the PDF version of the book?
I guess I will have to get the other one too so I can compare them.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Adam’s e-mail address is easily found on his web site — I’ve contacted him to see if he’s willing to make it more public.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:07 am
It sounds like one of the biggest factors in his success was his motivation, and although it doesn’t cost anyone a penny, motivation isn’t freely available - particularly when no one around you is motivated and/or you’ve never known anyone to actually succeed. Can you teach motivation?
February 18th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Wow. He’s much more likable and smart than Ehrenreich, not that it would take much.
I’m, er, impressed that he doesn’t want you to buy his book. He either is a true believer or is just dumb with money.
Good for him!
February 18th, 2008 at 6:26 am
JD,
Poverty is not an outside problem - it’s an inside problem. It’s just as you said,
“I also believe that success starts inside each of us, regardless of our circumstances.”
or as Bob Proctor says,
‘It is an absolute law of your being, that you must have something mentally before you will ever have it physically!’
Poverty consciousness attracts more poverty. Prosperity consciousness attracts more prosperity.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:28 am
I teach a freshman seminar class at the university where I work, and the university’s freshman common reading a few years ago was Nickel and Dimed. The students were generally sympathetic to Ehrenreich’s views going in, were still generally sympathetic to her after reading it, and were completely opposed after hearing her speak when she was on campus. You think she’s vitriolic in her writing - you should hear her speak. Here’s a small sample from one of her other speaking engagements.
And that contrast makes me appreciate Adam’s approach even more. Thanks for the interview.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:32 am
This is an excellent interview. Mr. Shepard makes some great points — I’ve always been a firm believer in the idea that we shape our world with our attitudes.
I do have one issue with this experiment — he may have been living poor, but he didn’t start out that way. Forgetting for a moment the advantages of being an attractive white male, he had the advantages of a middle-class upbringing and a complete education, things which, at the very least, did not prevent him from having a positive outlook in the first place. Having lived in poverty (on my own, with children), I know how hopeless it can make you feel. I can’t imagine having additional challenges besides that — being black or hispanic, having medical issues or relatives to care for.
I guess my objection to this (and it’s a minor one) is that this experiment gives the impression that it’s easy to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. It /can/ be easy, but for people who haven’t been taught how to hope in the first place, for people who don’t know what it feels like to succeed at something, it can feel impossible.
All the same, I’m glad he did this and that he did so well. It’s very encouraging.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:36 am
Someone who has an education, good health, and an “emergency” credit card is in no way starting “from scratch.” That’s starting from comfort. A man in his situation is willing to take risks the real poor might not because, if he failed, the stakes are a whole lot lower. He walks home, shamed. That’s a bit easier than living in poverty and illness for the rest of one’s life because you took a risks that didn’t pan out.
People are going to point to this experiment and say “if he can do it, anyone can!” That’s great motivation for some, but it’s also an excuse for dispassionate dismissal of the real plight of the working poor.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:47 am
I’ve not read Nickel and Dimed, but suspect I’d agree with many comments made about finding the failure sought.
Think it’s interesting though, that having read Orman’s new book (and to contrast, an incredibly frustrating one on poverty in the UK in the 80s- with similar ‘agenda’ to Ehrenreich) this past weekend, that no-one has observed that Shepherd is a man (and pretty, to boot), and that will have had a significant impact on his ’self-made’ opportunities.
To say ‘well, Shepherd could do it, anyone can’ is to ignore that most people never get the self-validation that young men of his background are privilege to. Plonkee has said it’s about learning motivation even if in a deprived environment- it is that in spades!
February 18th, 2008 at 7:07 am
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February 18th, 2008 at 7:10 am
Was the shelter in Charleston aware that he was doing book research when he became a resident and took up a bed? I am troubled by the implied ethical issues of this project.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Folks, just to be clear, I believe there are some real systemic problems that exacerbate poverty. It’s not all internal. That’s a cop-out.
My argument — and I believe Adam’s, too, though I don’t want to put words in his mouth — is that the thing we most have control over is ourselves: our attitudes and the things we do.
Pippin is spot-on writing:
To say “well, Shepherd could do it, anyone can” is to ignore that most people never get the self-validation that young men of his background are privilege to.
I agree with this 100%.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:14 am
What a great interview! I’m definitely adding both books to my reading list. As someone who was a single parent with 3 children working close to minimum wage, I have some real life experiences to relate to both books. Should be some interesting reading.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Poverty is an interesting dilemma in our society. As Adam pointed out, it’s a political football.
I don’t believe you can eliminate poverty, in the purest sense. There will always be people who can barely support themselves, for one reason or another. But what we can do is ammeliorate the worst effects of poverty - hunger, lack of shelter, lack of medical care, lack of access to education.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:19 am
I don’t think the Ehrenreich-Shepard comparison is either-or. It seems to me they represent two sides of the same coin.
Ehrenreich was certainly not alone among her low-wage compatriots in choosing to live in a hotel rather than a homeless shelter. It takes an incredible mental leap to accept temporary housing in a shelter, even if you know in your rational mind you’ll save up more money more quickly to move up to where you want to be. Both of these authors were coming from a privileged position–they both knew the experiment was temporary; however, my experience, and that of most families I know living in poverty, shows Ehrenreich to be more sensitive to the pervasive hopelessness that comes with years and often generations of struggling. It’s physically and psychologically tiring to be poor, and the kind of energy displayed by Shepard is hard to come by.
Shepard’s story is incredibly encouraging, especially where it intersects with the stories of other men in the shelter who got back on track without the luxury of an emergency credit card or a college education. But I don’t think it’s the only true story that can be told about the difficulties and possibilities of poverty.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:24 am
I tried reading that book and never finished it, but I did find something very interesting instead. Morgan Spurlock has/had (don’t know if he still does it) a show called 30 Days on FX. He did an episode once where he and his then-fiancee lived in Ohio on minimum wage for 30 days. They really, really struggled, and Spurlock ended up having to work more than one job just so they could eat. I recommend it highly!
February 18th, 2008 at 7:28 am
I applaud Adam for doing something most people can’t — making lemonade out of lemons, but there is one huge advantage he has that makes it much easier for him: he is a physically fit young man.
There are plenty of jobs at the low end of the scale that require physical, relatively untrained work — moving, lawn maintenance, construction, courier, refuse collection, event setup — that not everyone can do. Heck, as an English speaking white male, he could stand outside Home Depot with the day laborers and be the first one hired. The cash economy loves these guys.
People who aren’t physically able (or willing) to do those jobs are extremely limited to the types of jobs they can do and those don’t pay as well. Most women, whether they were able to handle the physical load or not, would have a very hard time getting these kinds of jobs and are instead shuttled off to housekeeping, child care, waiting tables or the like.
I especially support Adam on his views of wasted money — lottery, cigarettes, booze. It’s not a lesson that most of the people at the bottom rungs of the economy want to hear, though.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:34 am
Sarah said: Morgan Spurlock has/had (don’t know if he still does it) a show called 30 Days on FX. He did an episode once where he and his then-fiancee lived in Ohio on minimum wage for 30 days.
That was a great episode, and I think it was a more even-handed approach than Ehrenreich’s.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:50 am
I saw a particularly insightful comment in one of the links: This is Sullivan’s Travels. Adam set out to experience something for his own purposed. Only unlike Sullivan (who leanred that what he did had a purpose), Adam didn’t really learn anything because he was contributing nothing from the beginning.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:56 am
I haven’t read Shepard’s book, but I wonder if his successes were partly because he is mentally stable and an American. This fall, I worked with a homeless couple from Haiti. There were some mental illness issues and no one speaks Haitian creole around here. They were completely alienated. Eventually I had to make the difficult decision to stop trying to help them — I’m not a social worker. And the social workers who were working with them couldn’t make progress either. It was a sad look into the American system.
February 18th, 2008 at 8:21 am
I’ve been following a mostly critical discussion of Adam’s book on metafilter, where several people have offered their personal stories of being forced into poverty and surviving, and it is interesting to me that none of those people take the situation, or their advantages, as lightly as I feel Adam does. While I recognize that few people in his situation would even try to willingly take on poverty the way he did, it is no small thing that he is a strapping, young, healthy, handsome, well-educated, well-spoken, energetic and likeable white man.
I am glad that Adam says people do not need to spend money on his book. If I am going to take him seriously he will need to come across as a whole lot more humble and show a whole lot more empathy to the situations people unwillingly find themselves in.
I have not read Nickel and Dimed, but a very good book I have read on this topic is George Orwell’s Down and Out in London and Paris, which can also be read free online.
February 18th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Nickel and Dimed was req’d reading for Freshman at the University I attended. I went to a journalism school. Very few people liked this book. As JD said, Barbara had the end goal of failure already in mind when she started this book and set out to ‘prove’ her theory, which is of course HORRIBLY unscientific. My father grew up very poor and without parents. He worked his way through life and through school and has always required that I work my way through school too. Personal responsibility, goals, and a refusal to ever entertain self-pity, go a long, long way. Even today.
If you haven’t read Nickel and Dimed, DON’T! It’s a waste of time! However, Scratch Beginnings looks much better.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:16 am
I read Nickle and Dimed in college and from my point of view - someone who worked their way through college - she showed that it was impossible to live a middle class lifestyle on minimum wage. The main thing I noticed was that she never had roommates. I’m not sure that she set out to fail, but she readily admits in the intro that she has never had to live on a very small budget. The lessons that the rest of us learned on how to get through life she seems to have forgotten.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:40 am
I’ve heard about this guy before, and I’m glad that you pointed out that he - as a young, white, college-educated, male - had certain advantages that many poor, underprivileged people do not. I agree that despite his advantages, the main reason that he ’succeeded’ was because of his ability to set goals and accomplish them. However, I also think that this ability to understand how to plan, how to set goals, is not intrinsic; it’s a learned skill, as is self-confidence and the expectation of success. Many poor and underprivileged don’t know how to plan, have no one to teach them, have a long string of failures and disappointments in life, and expect nothing but obstacles and failures. There is a ‘why try?’ attitude that is not because of stubborness, but becasue of knowing that if you’re poor, uneducated, minority, female, disabled, or different in any way from what this young man actually was, your chances of ‘making it’ are so much more difficult.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:41 am
OK, a lot of people are repeating the same thing about how Adam is white, young, etc. and these are advantages. We get it already! There are a lot of poor people who aren’t white and young and men, who have health or mental issues. I see them every day at work - I’m a doctor in an emergency department.
But have you also realized that there are a lot of white, young, strong people out there (and really, as long as you’ve got your health, I’m not convinced that being a woman or of another race prevents you from achieving this kind of dream - housecleaning and waiting tables can make you just as much money as physical labor jobs, and potentially under the table, too)… anyway the point is not that if Adam could do it, ANYONE could do it, the point is that there are a lot of people who could do it, but aren’t doing it. How can we engage those other healthy, young, strong people? This specifically isn’t about how we can help people who are physically handicapped, mentally ill, etc and have these additional barriers to deal with.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:45 am
I have little sympathy to poor and homeless people who are unwilling to help themselves. They’ve given up to a life of begging and then drinking away that money. This interview and Adam’s story is what I would expect a lot of people who fall on hard times to do.. dig deep and get out of that hole. It’s possible and he just proved it.
Great interview JD.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Wow, Adam proved that a young, good-looking, white, college educated male with no physical disabilities, no mental disabilities, no addictions, no crushing debt, no language barriers, no abusive spouse, and no dependents can make it from “scratch!”
Golly, I’m so impressed. I guess that means everyone can do it!
(Yes, this sort of “experiment” infuriates me no end. At least I can appreciate him telling me not to buy his book.)
February 18th, 2008 at 9:46 am
@quinsy:
How do you do it? You support anything that helps children succeed in school, regardless of socio-economic status. You support adult education programs. You support lowering the cost of a college education. You support charities who give people the tools they need to get out of poverty.
In short, you help give people the means to help themselves and teach them that it’s possible. And yes, I actually think things like Adam’s book can help.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:48 am
[...] think this interview is great. It’s an interview with Alan Shepard over at getrichslowly.org about a social experiment of his where he started with just $25 in [...]
February 18th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Great interview. It’s great of Adam to make the book available for free - I’m going to email away for my copy of the book now.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:52 am
I listened to a piece about Shepard’s book on NPR last week. He came across a bit elitist in my opinion. I also think that though it may be possible to set and achieve the goals he had, it might be a bit harder if you’ve never even had a frame of reference for that kind of success. Throw in a spouse and a few kids by the time you’re his age and it becomes even more difficult
February 18th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I read Nickel and Dimed some time ago and found it depressing and flawed. Adam’s approach sounds much more hopeful and I look forward to reading it.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:56 am
I have to agree with J.G. here. Nickel & Dimed does have a valuable lesson to teach, regardless of her methods. And that is that there are people out there working as hard as they can that aren’t able to get by. It’s something we shouldn’t lose sight of since so many people think poverty is a third-world problem. It’s out there and, like it or not, it’s not going away any time soon, no matter how alive the American Dream may or may not be.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:08 am
He was willing to live in homeless shelters for months, something Ehrenreich, as a woman, didn’t want to/couldn’t do because of safety issues. He was a young, white, well-spoken, college-educated male. Whether or not he used his college education to get a job he still had all the advantages of that education and middle class upbringing during this experiment. Couple that with the fact that as a male he is safer in homeless shelters, and probably more likely to get the jobs in heavy lifting, I don’t think his experience is that comparable to the many of the poor in this country– especially poor women. Also, I doubt he ever became seriously ill or broke any bones during his experiment. That would have wiped out his savings in a heartbeat.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:15 am
There is a big difference in looking at the situation, and choosing to start from scratch,than finding yourself in the situation and having to start from scratch.
its been 3 years since i lost my best friend to cancer, i got the doctors and hospital paid, however i still work 2 jobs, take care of my children,a house etc. I sold whatever i could, let me tell you YES it can be done
but its a long, hard, lonely, tearful and heartbreaking road when to have to do it.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Great interview. I think that there is a lot to be learned from both books, as well as the great episode of 30 Days mentioned. All offer different viewpoints of the problem. And I think that the Pursuit of Happyness (the book, not necessarily the movie) would add another viewpoint as well. Unfortunately, everyone’s situation is so different that there is no one easy answer to this problem.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Great interview. Thanks to Adam for his positive mindset and hard work. One thing that really stuck with me, “It’s important to question: Am I making the most of my situation? Am I on track? Am I prepared to be disciplined for 2, 3, 5, 10 years? … And whatever you do, don’t lose sight of that prize that you’re shooting for.” That articulates exactly why I entered the PF blogging world. We all start in different places and it is what we do from there that counts!
February 18th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Well, i will say this there are a lot of middle-class kids not achieving what they could or should either.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Interesting interview, J.D.
Certainly the solution to poverty is more complex than having a “prosperity consciousness” and financial goals, but this certainly helps!
If anything, Adam’s example shows that those of us with even a modicum of economic advantage could be doing much, much more with it.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:00 am
This has been touched upon before, but I need to reiterate the fact that Mr. Shepherd is a young, healthy, white male. He was also living in a smaller city, rather than a large urban center. I guarantee you that if Mr. Shepherd had been small, weak, or unhealthy in a large city like New York or San Francisco, he would have had far less luck.
1. Gender: Day labor jobs for men also tend to pay better, unlike day labor jobs most women get, like domestic work.
2. Violence/Exploitation: a woman or smaller (weaker) man is more susceptible to being victimized, even in shelters. A man like Mr. Shepherd would not have been in as difficult a position.
3. Race. One look at the mud-slinging in the current election campaigns will give you a perspective on this one.
4. Education: I’m willing to bet that Mr. Shepherd is genial and articulate. A less educated person or one who does not speak English as his or her first language would not be as impressive as Mr. Shepherd at first glance.
5. Health. One injury, one trip to the emergency room, one unexpected trip to the dentist would have thrown Mr. Shepherd’s “experiment” into a tailspin.
6. Family. The majority of people on welfare are women with children. Mr. Shepherd was only responsible for Mr. Shepherd. If he had had a child, aging parent or sick family member, he would have failed.
I’m not saying that his accomplishment is not commendable, but one does need to recognize that he started out with a number of advantages.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:10 am
I find it oddly amusing to read those criticisms that he was white, healthy, good looking, college educated and THAT is why he succeeded. Folks, that reeks of racism and class envy. Some people will create ANY excuse for failure other than their own sorry attitude and then want me to pay for it through some new government program that will waste $10 billion.
I guess if you’re African American, poor, and only educated through high school, it is IMPOSSIBLE to ever make anything out of your life…except that so many do.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:19 am
I really enjoyed the interview. I think that one thing the book did prove is that there are opportunities for the poor to achieve success. Are there some who can’t take advantage of those opportunities becuase of various circumstances? Of course. But there are many more who just need a little guidance and they will achieve success. I definitely agree that our public middle schools and high schools need to focus on teaching basic life skills like personal finance, nutrition, basic preventative health care, etc. There is no easy answer to poverty, and that is one reason that poverty is such a political football.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:25 am
I agree with others here that Nickel and Dimed was flawed methodologically, and for me personally, infuriating! Ehrenreich very much looked down on those she was working alongside, and when I read in the end notes that she had not only started out with the emergency fund, but also WENT HOME during the experiment to shower, pay bills, etc., I was disgusted. My mom is ‘one of those people’ working paycheck to paycheck and the topic deserved much more respect and scholarship than Ehrenreich was willing to give it.
I also recommend the minimum wage episode of 30 Days. Much more realistic, at least in my opinion.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Many people don’t want to admit that poverty is a real problem, so they will go to great lengths to explain it away. Not that everyone here is saying that, but some are.
I’m not poor, but I’m not spoiled or entitled enough to think that I didn’t get some damn lucky breaks in my life that have gotten me to where I am. Yes, I work hard and have made good decisions, but I started from a place where I was always on the trajectory to make those decisions.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Ron@TheWisdomJournal - I am one of the people who can’t overlook the many advantages with which Adam started his experiment.
I was thrown, unwillingly, into a similar situation when I was 19, and it was shockingly evident to me at the time how much my being young, white and well-brought-up saved my butt - and I didn’t even have a good attitude, except, perhaps, that I didn’t expect anyone to come to my aid. I was angry and scared, but I landed on my feet because people were generally willing to give me the benefit of the doubt.
I have also seen first-hand people who are not presentable in any way, yet try to have a positive attitude, only to have the door slammed in their face.
I think it is disingenuous of Adam or anyone to shrug off their advantages. It did take courage to do what he did, but there are thousands of his peers who acknowledge their advantages and volunteer for Teach for America, to name one example, which seems to me somewhat more productive and less self-serving.
He may really be a great guy for all I know, but all the promotion around this book makes it sound like he approached it as if he were hiking Mt Everest or going whitewater rafting. Back in civilization and no harm done, having learned that he can do what he puts his mind to do.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Enjoyed the post! I definitely put Scratch Beginnings on my Amazon wishlist, but I won’t be checking out Nickel and Dimed. People just don’t get that if you deny yourself and work hard enough, you can accomplish great things.
February 18th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
I’m pretty sure that if you have children (in many places) there’s a strong fear that the state will take the children away from you if you live in a homeless shelter. Also, not all shelters are safe places. Additionally, many (as evidenced in that Will Smith pursuit of Happyness) don’t allow you to stay long term/ have limited beds that you have to fight over every night etc.
Finally, whatever you say Adam’s abilities were made possible by a civil society that provides things (like homeless shelter) and services for the poor. The very things that people who believe in the bootstrap mentality want to cut.
February 18th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I’ve read Nickel and Dimed, and didn’t feel that Barbara E. was starting her project with failure in mind. In fact, I remember her writing that she was coming into the project with more savings and intangible support than many homeless/low wage earners in the U.S. have.
I guess I came away from the book with this conclusion (and Adam’s interview above supports it): if you’re single, white, speak English well, have no kids, and importantly—no health issues—sure, go out and work for $7.50 an hour and be a success.
If you’re a more typical low-income American: divorced, separated, with kids, maybe a chronic health problem or two, and perhaps difficulty with the English language (speaking or reading), then working at minimum wage without health benefits isn’t going to be ideal, and it some cases it’s just not possible.
I particularly liked ‘grimsaburger’s comment (#18) above, as that really seemed to speak to how I feel about Nickel and Dimed—and how it might compare to Scratch Beginnings (yet another book to add to my growing list!) (-:
February 18th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Great comments so far, everyone. If you want a PDF version of the book, you can reach Adam via his contact page…
February 18th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
“Her goal is to demonstrate that it’s difficult to succeed as a waitress, or a maid, or a Wal-Mart employee.”
wtf? no crap. You mean its hard to get ahead with low paying disposable jobs?
I didn’t read the book, but isn’t this thesis something that is pretty self evident? To someone like myself, who grew up with a single mom who was at different points a waitress, a maid, and a (low paid) retail employee, this kind of comes off as either shockingly naive, or shockingly patronizing.
Which is of course, sort of what Adam says in the interview.
February 18th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
I’m sure his publisher wasn’t happy with Adam’s comment on not buying his book. Thanks to my rewards on credit cards I pay off every month, I have 2 BN gift cards and an Amazon gift card on the way, so I’ll be able to purchase his book for free.
As far as Adam’s story– I know a dozen immigrants, who once spoke little to no English, had college degrees considered useless in America, some worked as day laborers in the beginning and ended up part of the American dream.
I have never read Nickel and Dimed but from some of the comments, it sounds like Barbara E. avoided shelters out of safety concerns. In some cases that may be true but I have a sibling who worked for a non-profit and women were put in a separate shelter and women w/ kids were placed in motel rooms. Shelters normally do a good job of keeping their occupants safe.
The other option may be churches. I know a church that places women & kids with other families to live in for several months.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
If we look back over the comments, we see that this issue is very political. There is a strong political slant to many of the comments.
However, it is also a question of process, in some ways. How do you teach people who have been crush and are defeated to rise again? For some, they might be so defeated that there is no way to do it. For others, all it takes is a helping hand, that many of them only receive if they are willing to suffer indoctrination from one group or another. I can tell you that telling them they are pigs that should lift themselves out of the slops (which is a major approach in this country) isn’t going to help lift them up. It just pushes them into the ultimately defeated group.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
SC said, “I’m sure his publisher wasn’t happy with Adam’s comment on not buying his book.”
It looks like he is his own publisher, so I’m certain he can do what he likes.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Wait, a well-spoken college educated white guy from a middle class background was able to secure employment as a laborer and save a couple thousand bucks while eating ramen for a year? While not supporting a dependant and experiencing zero serious health problems? And people are surprised and impressed?
February 18th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Wow, these comments sure exemplify the differences between successful people and whiners in life. Losers out there always look at a success story and the first thing they say is “Yes, but..” Yes, he was a young, healthy, single, white man. Each time you make excuses like that you are insulting everyone that doesn’t fit that group. You’re old? Oh well, I guess there’s no chance for you to succeed. You’re ill, no chance for you. You’re divorced or black, too bad.
Give me a break.
Oprah Winfrey was born into poverty by a single, teenaged mother. She also got pregnant in her teens and miscarried. That’s when she decided to turn her life around.
Now let’s look at her. She is black. She is a woman. She grew up in poverty.
By the logic of some of the commenters on here, there is no possible way she should have succeeded.
And yet she did.
I’d sure like to hear the excuses some people have as to what advantages Oprah had.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I’m amazed at how many people only look at his being a white, educated, blah blah blah. The point is you idiots, MOST people in poverty situations can climb, if not out of the hole, at least up the walls a bit where the light is a little better. I can not understand this mentality of “If I can’t have it now, and it can’t be perfect, I don’t want it”. WHAT? I am probably 10 years away from working my way UP to a net worth of $0.00, only to have to build from there, but I keep in mind that the path I’m running on is better than sitting on a stump going no where. It will pay off in the long run.
And, on a side note, what’s keeping all those poor non english speakers from learning english? I would never move to another country with a language I didn’t speak and just assume everything would be dandy. Even if I don’t gain a mastery, I would atleast bust my butt to gain a funtional usage. You can get that from free books from the library, having a friend help you with just daily conversation, etc. Sure, you have to dig and search sometimes, but thats just what it takes. Back when I lived in a roach infested “roomette” and lived on $500 a month, I lived the life that was a result of my decisions. Yes, there were factors beyond my control that affected my circumstances too, but I could have atleast lived better than I was had I made better decisions. Again, something is better than nothing. To my point, when I decided that I was tired of living in ever increasing debt and not being able to pay bills, I started looking for solutions. I didn’t know what those were exactly, and I also had the mentaltity that some of them were impossible. BUT, I knew I had to do something, so I TRIED. And you know what, it worked. A budget is possible, and works wonders. Investing online only costs $4 per trade, with no mandatory amounts or times. There are CD’s that you can invest money into just a few dollars at a time with a minimum of $100 dollars to open. Its a great way to save money with a great interest rate and reduce the temptation to spend it since you can’t get to it in a hurry. They are all small steps, but the journey of a thousand miles(or dollars) begins with a single step.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Joshua says, ” I would never move to another country with a language I didn’t speak and just assume everything would be dandy.”
I’m hoping you’re just a troll, but assuming you’re not, I’ll tell you about the Haitians I mentioned earlier: they moved here under a special program, legally because Haiti was in turmoil. The fact that the U.S. has dropped the ball on getting them integrated says more about our country than them.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
@Metaflippant (comment #23)
Why should it be the American taxpayers’ job to take care of a homeless couple from Haiti who speak Haitian creole and have mental health issues?
And I certainly agree with others that there are many, many young, strong, capable people who are living in poverty but do not want to put forth the effort Mr. Shepard chose to put forth. Is this the situation for all people in poverty? No. But I spent my high school and college years working in restaurants and met many low-income people and families who would rather buy things they don’t need than save money to try to better themselves. When you decide that you want a better life, you have to make hard decisions. That’s the case no matter what your background, except for those relatively rare cases where parents freely give money without limit to their children. I have met many people from very wealthy families, and very few of them have parents who freely throw money at their children, particularly when those children are no longer in school.
Everyone has to make sacrifices if they want to get ahead, regardless of their starting point.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Thank you!
(and well said Joshua)
I had to read Nickel and Dimed as part of a freshman reading requirement a few years ago for college… and I HATED it. I even had to attend a mass discussion on the book, and most of the audience sympathized with the author.
The next year I was living just fine on my minimum wage Taco Bell income while I was going to a different college… living on my own with no consumer debt. It’s not easy, but if a naive kid can make it (a naive kid being me at 18), an educated middle aged woman who is familiar with the whole job hunting process can do it.
“…is instead a bizarre Marxist screed about class warfare.” is a very accurate description of her motives in writing the book.
Barbara definitely set herself up for utter failure from the get-go.
Thanks for this post, I really enjoyed it!
February 18th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
RE: comments 57 and 58:
I take your point, but it’s a careless analogy, making the exception the rule.
The fact that Bill Gates and Richard Branson are dropouts doesn’t mean a college degree is worthless.
They made it, and Oprah made it; but I don’t think you’d get a single one of them to admit that their experience wasn’t absolutely exceptional. Oprah and Bill Gates wouldn’t be pouring money into foundations for housing and educating disadvantaged youth if they did.
No one here is saying it’s impossible to move out of poverty if you’re black, or a woman, or a single parent, or a non-English-speaker. People are just saying it’s more difficult than Shepard’s experiment makes it out to be. Further, it puts us into dangerous moral territory when we assume that individuals carry 100% of the fault for their hardship, and 100% of the responsibility to get out from under it.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Given your critique of Ehrenreich’s book (Wanted to hear more about the people in these work places/situations, in particular.), I would strongly recommend that you check out David K. Shipler’s “The Working Poor: Invisible in America.” I think you will find that it has many (all?) of the elements you find to be missing in “Nickel And Dimed”.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Folks — I knew this post would be divisive when I wrote it. That’s fine. Healthy debate is good. This is a complex issue, and both sides have good points. However, please refrain from personal attacks.
Don’t assume that just because somebody disagrees with you that she’s stupid or arrogant or a jerk. Keep it civil, please, and discuss the issue on its merits. Thanks!
February 18th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I don’t think it’s a case of either or. Adam Shepherd can be right and so can Barbara Ehrenreich. I haven’t read Scratch, but I’ll put it on my list and compare my reaction to it and Nickel and Dimed.
I think like many JD, I wanted to like Nickel and Dimed, but I just couldn’t. Ehrenreich is the worst stereotype of the northeastern liberal elite. A group I would probably be counted amongst. The problem with Nickel and Dimed is not that the problems aren’t real - they are. The problem is rather Ehrenreich is the real classist. She is patronizing and condescending (without thinking she is) and views an effort to do more as somehow “selling out.”
February 18th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Bait and Switch: The (Futile) Pursuit of the American Dream is Ehrenriech book about unemployment in the middle class; I’m surprised no one has mentioned it. She does have a political angle, she is interested not so much in the successes and failures of individuals, but about how our larger culture is complicit in creating groups of winners and losers, and how aspects of our culture (like the lack of universal health care) makes life more difficult for everyone. I think that a certain amount of the rejection of her arguements is a kind of fear — it’s not pleasant to consider that we may be one job away (or one partner away) from poverty and long-term unemployment, we don’t want to think “that could happen to me.” We’d rather think, “of course I’d manage, and survive, and even thrive.” But most of us probably do know someone who isn’t doing well, and it’s not because they aren’t trying. I have seen how hard it was for two female friends with Ph.Ds (in humanities disciplines– not quite art history, which is what the car guys always laugh at — but similarly unconnected to most non-academic jobs) who ended up taking retail jobs after years of not being able to find a middle-class job and after trying the free-lance, adjunct, “consultant” options. It was very difficult for them to adapt to the non-middle-class life those retail jobs supported, and difficult to trust in the “save up and it will all work out” ethos at an age when they were still paying off school debt and already worrying about retirement. How much of their situation was the result of their previous choices and how much was the result of our economic structure, which is outside of any individual’s control, isn’t clear to me or, I think to them.
February 18th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Is anyone going to be surprised when it turns out this kid is being bankrolled by some right wing group?
February 18th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
It amazes me how many people still expect the government to solve all the problems - blame the government - so easy.
What happened to “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country” and “Government is not part of the solution it’s part of the problem”.
-Frank
February 18th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Shepard seems smart, but his middle-class adventure in “slumming” is hardly amazing as ‘nicely done’ notes above. How is having is having an apartment and a POS vehicle an astounding accomplishment? If the poor couldn’t earn enough to survive, they’d all be dead.
Luckily Shepard can go back to his real life: as a mover he’d never find a better job or get a much of a raise, and it would take many years to afford a home in which to raise a family in poverty.
I’d like to see someone try to live this type of life for 5 years, or… a life-time and not the length of an AmeriCorps term before cashing in on their book deal.
February 18th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
When I was in college, I was friends with a black guy who was enrolled in Stanford law school. He told me it wasn’t uncommon for him to walk into an office for the first time and to be mistaken for the custodian by the receptionist.
I am white, and grew up poor (with a single, disabled parent, supported by her disability payments). By dint of both good luck and hard work, I have transited across several axes of the socioeconomic spectrum. Even though at times I have been *sorely* out of place with respect to my socioeconomic surroundings, I have never, I repeat NEVER, had an experience like the one described above.
Don’t get me wrong; custodians do an honorable and necessary job and there’s no shame in being one. But the experience of life through where peoples’ first thought of you is almost always, *always* that you must be the unskilled labor (or violent, or whatever racist stereotype)–man, that just is a LOT of inertia to overcome, a freaking huge psychic hurdle to leap.
Like I said, I’m white; I am hardly an expert on the minority experience in America. But from what I’ve seen, and the above is but one example, it’s just a whole different ball game.
February 18th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Adam Shepherd began his experiment homeless and broke. “That’s DIFFERENT!”
Bill Gates was a dropout. “That’s DIFFERENT!”
Mary Kay Ash (of Mary Kay cosmetics) was a single mother. “That’s DIFFERENT!”
FDR had polio. “That’s DIFFERENT!”
Stephan Hawking has Lou Gehrig’s Disease. “That’s DIFFERENT!”
Tina Turner’s black and lived with an abusive spouse. “That’s DIFFERENT!”
Oprah’s black, female, overweight, and AND came from poverty. “That’s DIFFERENT!”
Unfortunately, some people tend to spend more energy listing how their specific disadvantages make it impossible to improve their circumstances than they spend trying to work around those disadvantages.
February 18th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
I read Nickeled and Dimed about 5 or more years ago and remember thinking that some of her compromises were a little lame. However, given that Wal-mart is one of the largest employers of low wage workers in the country, anyone writing a book about low wage workers would be remiss not to spend some time working there. I also think Shepard was very lucky to not have any health problems during his experiment. One hospital visit would have wiped out any gains that he made. Also, it sounds like Shepard was doing manual labor. It can provide a decent living while one is young but most people cannot do that type of hard physical labor until they are 65. If they haven’t laid out alternate plans, folks often find themselves out of work when they are in their 40s or 50s.
February 18th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
“Further, it puts us into dangerous moral territory when we assume that individuals carry 100% of the fault for their hardship, and 100% of the responsibility to get out from under it.”
Everyone is faced with challenges and hardships in life. The challenges take a different form for everybody. This is a good. I wouldn’t want to live a life where there are no hardships.
I don’t blame anybody for situations they are in due to no fault of their own but I can’t stand to see people say that some humans aren’t as capable as others. Because once more people start to say that, after a while those people begin to believe it.
I completely disagree that individuals should not be 100% responsible for their life. Ever since I took complete responsibility for my life and my present situation, my life has been getting better and better.
Taking responsibility for your actions and life is the only way I know of improving your situation.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Just to let everyone know - Adam’s true to his word. I just got the PDF version of the book emailed to me for free. I look forward to reading it.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
RE: Matt at #74
I should’ve been a bit clearer about what I meant by being 100% responsible for getting out of hardship. I agree that very little of the authentically good happens in our lives without hardship, and that very little good happens without taking responsibility for our lives.
What I mean by going into morally dangerous territory is when that gets translated into “Since you’re completely responsible for your own circumstances, I can’t/won’t help you. Alas, it wouldn’t be helping you for me to help you.”
I can think of certain leaps forward I’ve made in my own life that I can honestly say I did 100% on my own. But those are few and far between. I had to stand on many shoulders, and take many hands up to get where I am. I’m proud of all of it, and accepting help has diminished neither the quality of my life, nor my determination to do more–including extending a hand to those who are coming up behind me.
I believe elbow grease and perseverance can right a lot of wrongs, but they can’t right all wrongs.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
A young guy with no family obligations, no handicaps caused by growing up in poverty, in good health, etc., pulls a marketing stunt and (nearly) everyone jumps on board. Nice.
February 18th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
You know, I can remember starting out, both working in college and thereafter (before I landed a regular job). I was making a little better than minimum wage throughout college. I was still able to go to classes, eat, live, and have some fun. I still think you can live on minimum wage if you plan well.
February 18th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Mentioned earlier,”
Morgan Spurlock has/had (don’t know if he still does it) a show called 30 Days on FX. He did an episode once where he and his then-fiancee lived in Ohio on minimum wage for 30 days. They really, really struggled, and Spurlock ended up having to work more than one job just so they could eat.”
He also had agenda of failure. He could wait for free medical at a clinic because it took too long. So, he paid a private doctor to look at a sprain.
Also Adam Shepard just sent me pdf of his book”Scratch Beginnings”
February 18th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Both books being discussed are very superficial in content. There is not one thing of genuine importance to be learned from either book. They are really just sort of a written version of the ridiculous “reality” shows on the tube.
Both books are best described as sometimes entertaining light reading, certainly neither is to be taken seriously.
I’m sure both authors mean well, but really they are totally clueless about the situations and complex problems of low income working people in this country.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
The money he accumulated, the bed he slept in, the day labor job he took–all of that could have been someone else’s, someone who almost certainly needed it more than he did. That’s tasteless. And make no mistake: his “success” was more than half luck and another quarter privilege. As mentioned above, if he injures himself permanently lifting boxes for the moving company, it’s game over–for the rest of his life if he’s truly poor, without the magic credit card in his back pocket.
This may just top the “god and your finances” post as the one that makes me hesitate before clicking on my GRS bookmark.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
When you make a conscious decision to get married or have children, you are setting yourself up for financial problems. “Suffering from an addiction” is (was) a choice to start drinking, smoking, etc. Having diseases can’t be helped, which is why there are free clinics.
Also, being black isn’t the biggest disadvantage you can have. If Adam was black, they would have hired him as a mover. The mover’s job is to move stuff, race doesn’t make a difference.
February 19th, 2008 at 3:48 am
You have simplified the poor’s situation too much. The poor usually have cycles of making it and then not.
It’s NOT just a matter of making frugal choices and surviving vs spending carelessly.
The author was a single male..I’m sorry but apart from problems like probation, jail, etc. a single *healthy* male with two legs to walk on and no children (or elderly parents) to care for should be able to make it - at least keeping a rented room paid and a hot pot with ramen noodles. It’s pretty insulting that he would even compare himself to those who have real struggles and obstacles.
There is day labor in every city. I’ve lived in a shelter before and all the healthy men there started walking at 3:30 am to the day labor place. The reason why Adam needed to learn how to get hired is because he never really *needed* a job before. Had finding a job been crucial for him before this time, getting hired on the spot would had been a skill he already had.
He is absolutely clueless what it’s really like for some people. It takes income not just a positive mental attitude to make it.
February 19th, 2008 at 7:04 am
What if hypothetically, a genuine working poor person checks Shepard’s book out of the library, perhaps on someone’s recommendation, reads it and is inspired that someone else was able to ‘make it’ starting ‘from scratch’, and then goes on to raise himself to a better place because he realizes that it is technically possible.
Would it matter so much that Shepard is a white boy then?
February 19th, 2008 at 9:54 am
I think it’s very important to point out (and others may have, since I only skimmed comments) that Shepard had something going in that only a tiny fraction of his homeless companions did - an education.
I’m one of the rare ones who lived in absolute poverty as a child, but rose to the working-middle-class despite every card stacked against me. The reason I am no longer in poverty is because I got an education.
Sadly, I don’t think the grants, scholarships and incentives that I was able to use to fund my undergraduate degree are available anymore.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:18 am
I loved N&D. For me it was such an interesting look at the life of working poor. I’m sure there are people out there who are able to make the Wal-mart wages work but they likely share housing costs, don’t have health insurance and work more than one job.
I myself made it work but don’t doubt the huge numbers of working poor out in the US of A who are living paycheck to paycheck on credit cards and are in debt just trying to get by. When I graduated from college I was working in social services and after taxes/health insurance deductions I was earning poverty wages. I would have made more working a retail job. Looking back I find it surprising to think that I lived well and on my own (no roomie) in a pretty expensive area on those poverty wages.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:44 am
I think there are some really interesting comments to this post. I work with a local children’s charity that provides high quality subsidized child care to working folks. Depending on income, a week of high quality preschool can cost 25% to 75% of the average local rate in the community. At times these parents (or parent) can’t afford even the subsidized tuition and I found myself, in the past, annoyed with these parents (we are a small private charity and the tuition dollars are necessary for us to maintain our operation budget and a few families that are behind impacts our ability to provide services to the other families). Over time I have noticed that most of the emergencies that come up are very much outside the control of these folks and that what they really lack is the control over their day to day life such that they can make significant positive changes in their lives. It takes very little to drag these folks under water, a car repair, a sick child, a sick parent and all of sudden they are behind on rent or they can’t get to work and they lose their job. And these are folks who are (1) working (2) getting their kids a very high quality preschool education and (3) many of them participate in our parenting classes (think personal finance, nutrition, anger management, english as a second lang., etc.)
Working with this charity makes me so thankful that I had parents who were well educated, stable, married and healthy, that I went to good public schools, that I lived in a safe neighborhood, that I went to college, etc. Working with this chairty, I recognize that there are so many kids here in this very rich country (and I live in a very rich county) that do not have such a foundation. I hope that there time in our little school gives them a leg up but being a realist I know that sadly many of these kids will not break the cycle of poverty.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Our citizens would be a great deal better off if we did two things:
1. Focus 8th grade math on personal finance, teaching people to balance a check book, figure out what a credit card is really costing them, and learn how early savings compound instead of all those problems about Train A leaving Chicago and Train B leaving Cleveland.
2. Allowed the schools to return to teaching middle class values — politeness, respect, understanding the difference between want and need, getting places on time, dressing appropriately, working hard. Our local paper had an article on five top students, all immigrants. One of them said, “I really want to do well for my teachers; I want them to be proud of me.” This kid comes from a dirt poor family and is going to do just fine in life. If kids don’t get middle class values at home — and this isn’t a matter of kids who have money, watch Housewives of Orange County sometimes — it is appropriate for the society to affirm them. If they don’t get them in school, they never will.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:08 am
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February 19th, 2008 at 11:39 am
There’s a lot of comments about how factors beyond your control — race, age, gender, health, family, etc. — can impose barriers or ceilings. However, that doesn’t mean there is no room ever for self-improvement. Take the recent study on the ultra-poor of the world living on $1/day or less. They found even at their income, they still “wasted” 25% of their income of escapism items like booze and cigarettes. Should those in bad situations not try because they have lower ceilings than others?
February 19th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
I love how 50% of the commenters have used the line “Oh wow an educated, healthy, intelligent, WHITE MALE was able to blah blah blah.” Did you people even bother to read the other comments and see your exact words duplicated a dozen times?
Anyway, please people, use your brains. He did not get a white collar job while staying in the homeless shelter. He got a job at a MOVING COMPANY. Have you ever hired a moving company? Do you see any evidence that they discriminate against black males, for instance? Or Mexican Americans? No. So claiming that only a white male could have possibly gotten such a prestigious job is… absolutely ridiculous!
Also, I want to point out that there is no single solution to poverty. People are bringing up these crazy examples like a disabled single mother with 9 kids. COME ON. I know people with degrees and high paying jobs who don’t have $5k saved up. Instead they have $15k of credit card debt. Adam’s story isn’t meant to be applied to the most destitute members of society. Let’s take what we can from it instead of making these ridiculous racist statements.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Recognizing the ways in which he had a leg up in this project don’t make it useless. If anything they make it more valuable, I think - they show that we as a society have a tremendous opportunity to make changes in our nation by investing in people at a young age. Some of the advantages this guy had aren’t capable of being duplicated by government, but certainly some are.
Since we have a finite pool of cash to spend on things, seeing where people can succeed if we arm them well is good information.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I’m clearly fascinated by this… as this is my 3rd comment on this topic. Having read more about Shepard and his experiment, didn’t he come up short? His plan was to work the program for a year, but instead
“Ten months into the experiment, he decided to quit after learning of an illness in his family.”
I would have been really interested to read about the next 2 months in which Shepard had to quit or reduce his work hours to care for his family member’s illness or Shepard’s $5000 was quickly spent on medical bills for his family member (who didn’t have health insurance). Or if positive attitude is the key to success as Shepard mentions many times, he figures out how to turn that $5000 in savings into more money to care for his sick family member or he works a 2nd or 3rd job to help cover the medical bills. I’m really left wondering what would have happened next….
February 19th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I will look for Adam’s book. I like the rags to riches stories but from his comments I don’t think that was the intention. Does the U.S. system work anymore? It seems people can and do make it.
February 19th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Appropos of nothing in particular, holy ohmygod that Metafilter thread is filled with hateful self righteous creeps. Moderate your comments as tightly as necessary to avoid that. the discussions are more valuable.
February 19th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
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February 20th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Also, someone should point out that without a program like the homeless shelter he stayed in, it would have been a whole lot tougher for him. He lived in that place for 70 days. That’s a pretty big handout. It wasn’t all done on his own. He made use of the help that was available like the shelter and foodstamps.
I’m waiting for my pdf. Sounds like it will be an interesting read at least.
February 20th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
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February 20th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Making it…
Get Rich Slowly interviews Adam Shepard, a young guy who set out with $25 in his pocket to see how far he could get in a year. In it, he hits on the central problem with Barbara Ehrenreich’s Nickel……
February 20th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I recently did my taxes and I took home 28k last year.
Seems a little pathetic and it would be if I wasn’t in my twenties starting out & living in NYC. It would be even more sad if I hadn’t paid off 4k in debt and then saved $3500. It can be done.
I just think most people who are in these positions of poverty don’t have the education or resources (or knowledge of said resources) to succeed.
Nothing is as powerful as a great mentor and a willing student.