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		<title>By: Brady</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/03/03/mr-lawyer-and-mr-accountant-chat-about-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-125662</link>
		<dc:creator>Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of things to add-

My tax tips:
Don&#039;t try to manage money in ways that are out of your league.  If you don&#039;t have a basic understanding of how capital gains and short-sale taxes work, quit day trading.  If you don&#039;t know the difference between a Roth and Traditional IRA, make it a weekend task to understand why one might be better for you and your taxes.  You can run up your tax bill very quickly without meaning to.

Another tip, lump your charitable contributions and itemize.  Consider making a pre-payment in &#039;08 to your church for all of your tithes in &#039;09 to increase your charitable contributions this year, then take your standard deduction next year.

Secondly, for those who have voiced opinions against using tax money to fund the military, check out the national campaign for a peace tax fund (http://www.peacetaxfund.org/)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of things to add-</p>
<p>My tax tips:<br />
Don&#8217;t try to manage money in ways that are out of your league.  If you don&#8217;t have a basic understanding of how capital gains and short-sale taxes work, quit day trading.  If you don&#8217;t know the difference between a Roth and Traditional IRA, make it a weekend task to understand why one might be better for you and your taxes.  You can run up your tax bill very quickly without meaning to.</p>
<p>Another tip, lump your charitable contributions and itemize.  Consider making a pre-payment in &#8217;08 to your church for all of your tithes in &#8217;09 to increase your charitable contributions this year, then take your standard deduction next year.</p>
<p>Secondly, for those who have voiced opinions against using tax money to fund the military, check out the national campaign for a peace tax fund (<a href="http://www.peacetaxfund.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.peacetaxfund.org/</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: 4 Ways For Bloggers to Dramatically Reduce Their Taxable Income</title>
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		<dc:creator>4 Ways For Bloggers to Dramatically Reduce Their Taxable Income</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this is where it gets really cool! In 3 of the 4 plans mentioned, Blogger X could put away up to $46,000 pre-tax for 2008. Last week I illustrated a very real example where a self employed business owner earning $120,000 a year was able to contribute the maximum to his 401k. This could very much become a reality for some bloggers I know. In fact, I would be surprised if a guy like JD from GRS doesn&#8217;t have something like this setup already, especially after just visiting his accountant and lawyer. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] this is where it gets really cool! In 3 of the 4 plans mentioned, Blogger X could put away up to $46,000 pre-tax for 2008. Last week I illustrated a very real example where a self employed business owner earning $120,000 a year was able to contribute the maximum to his 401k. This could very much become a reality for some bloggers I know. In fact, I would be surprised if a guy like JD from GRS doesn&#8217;t have something like this setup already, especially after just visiting his accountant and lawyer. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: G.E. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting your withholding right is one of my favorite points above. I think it&#039;s amazing how many people absolutely love getting a refund and think it is of great financial benefit - that they&#039;ve done right. I recently wrote an article all about this topic that has some resources on how to get your withholding allowances right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting your withholding right is one of my favorite points above. I think it&#8217;s amazing how many people absolutely love getting a refund and think it is of great financial benefit &#8211; that they&#8217;ve done right. I recently wrote an article all about this topic that has some resources on how to get your withholding allowances right.</p>
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		<title>By: Euler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Euler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was curious about the bit at the end about the red flags.  I&#039;ve always rounded my numbers, and have noticed that Tax Cut rounds the numbers automatically now (I recall that they at least used to ask if you wanted to round the numbers).  With more and more people using software to prepare their taxes, do you think this will continue to be considered a red flag?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious about the bit at the end about the red flags.  I&#8217;ve always rounded my numbers, and have noticed that Tax Cut rounds the numbers automatically now (I recall that they at least used to ask if you wanted to round the numbers).  With more and more people using software to prepare their taxes, do you think this will continue to be considered a red flag?</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to tax tips:

-Call and speak to the shockingly friendly people at the IRS when you have questions (1-800-829-1040 for individuals, 1040 har har).  The people I spoke to were incredibly competent and helpful, and I got all my questions answered.

-For those of us with student loans, don&#039;t forget to deduct interest payments.

As to protesting taxes:

I don&#039;t like my money funding a war.  Our government is far from perfect, but until I am ready to actively campaign for a change for the better (instead of just bitching ineffectually), I&#039;m just going to accept my government, the good with the bad, and pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to tax tips:</p>
<p>-Call and speak to the shockingly friendly people at the IRS when you have questions (1-800-829-1040 for individuals, 1040 har har).  The people I spoke to were incredibly competent and helpful, and I got all my questions answered.</p>
<p>-For those of us with student loans, don&#8217;t forget to deduct interest payments.</p>
<p>As to protesting taxes:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like my money funding a war.  Our government is far from perfect, but until I am ready to actively campaign for a change for the better (instead of just bitching ineffectually), I&#8217;m just going to accept my government, the good with the bad, and pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I learned is that much less attention is paid to the expense side of your tax return than the income side.

Towards the end of her illness, we were deducting 6 figures due to mom&#039;s medical expenses, and never got the first inquiry from the taxman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I learned is that much less attention is paid to the expense side of your tax return than the income side.</p>
<p>Towards the end of her illness, we were deducting 6 figures due to mom&#8217;s medical expenses, and never got the first inquiry from the taxman.</p>
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		<title>By: a different perspective</title>
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		<dc:creator>a different perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind paying property taxes or local taxes.  Those taxes fund the paychecks of the police officer who will come to my aid on the side of the road or in the middle of the night, and the firemen who will come carry me and my family out of a burning building, and provide lunches for the needy kids in the school around the corner.  Do NOT call local taxes blood money - they aren&#039;t going to Iraq; they are going to the people in my neighborhood.  You can call the taxes you pay to the *federal* government blood money all you want.  

(Not that I agree with the current situation; just reminding everyone of the ultimate destination of the taxes we pay.)

-an almost-CPA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind paying property taxes or local taxes.  Those taxes fund the paychecks of the police officer who will come to my aid on the side of the road or in the middle of the night, and the firemen who will come carry me and my family out of a burning building, and provide lunches for the needy kids in the school around the corner.  Do NOT call local taxes blood money &#8211; they aren&#8217;t going to Iraq; they are going to the people in my neighborhood.  You can call the taxes you pay to the *federal* government blood money all you want.  </p>
<p>(Not that I agree with the current situation; just reminding everyone of the ultimate destination of the taxes we pay.)</p>
<p>-an almost-CPA.</p>
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		<title>By: Master Your Card</title>
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		<dc:creator>Master Your Card</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America: 

Capitalism for the poor
Socialism for the rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America: </p>
<p>Capitalism for the poor<br />
Socialism for the rich</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;J.D., Are you really that rich to ridicule a man’s anger for losing $1,500 of his refund to extra tax? Where the heck do you live? Candyland?&lt;/i&gt;

I think we&#039;re talking about two different issues. Or you&#039;ve failed to see what this post is actually about.

I have no problem with people protesting taxes for whatever reason. Some, like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/02/11/extreme-personal-finance-america-on-10-a-day/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Don Schrader&lt;/a&gt;, carry their protests to an extreme. I admire this. Schrader is opposed to money spent on the military. Others support the military but are opposed to social programs. I think everyone can agree that lower taxes would be nice.

But that&#039;s not what this entry is about. This entry is about advice for dealing with &lt;i&gt;current&lt;/i&gt; taxes. The gentlemen I spoke with had two pieces of advice: prepare yourself so that your tax obligation doesn&#039;t come as a surprise (which is what happens when you think you&#039;re getting a $2,000 refund but only get $500), and don&#039;t try to cheat.

I&#039;m all in favor of people protesting taxes. That&#039;s a good thing. But tax protests are about the &lt;i&gt;future&lt;/i&gt;. This entry is about the present.

(Just for the record, I share your anger over how the government spends its money. Corporate welfare, especially, makes me tense. I&#039;m all for free entreprise, but what we have in the U.S. isn&#039;t so much capitalism as it is a sort of corpocracy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>J.D., Are you really that rich to ridicule a man’s anger for losing $1,500 of his refund to extra tax? Where the heck do you live? Candyland?</i></p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re talking about two different issues. Or you&#8217;ve failed to see what this post is actually about.</p>
<p>I have no problem with people protesting taxes for whatever reason. Some, like <a href="http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/02/11/extreme-personal-finance-america-on-10-a-day/" rel="nofollow">Don Schrader</a>, carry their protests to an extreme. I admire this. Schrader is opposed to money spent on the military. Others support the military but are opposed to social programs. I think everyone can agree that lower taxes would be nice.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not what this entry is about. This entry is about advice for dealing with <i>current</i> taxes. The gentlemen I spoke with had two pieces of advice: prepare yourself so that your tax obligation doesn&#8217;t come as a surprise (which is what happens when you think you&#8217;re getting a $2,000 refund but only get $500), and don&#8217;t try to cheat.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all in favor of people protesting taxes. That&#8217;s a good thing. But tax protests are about the <i>future</i>. This entry is about the present.</p>
<p>(Just for the record, I share your anger over how the government spends its money. Corporate welfare, especially, makes me tense. I&#8217;m all for free entreprise, but what we have in the U.S. isn&#8217;t so much capitalism as it is a sort of corpocracy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Some Perspective Please</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Perspective Please</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading Get Rich Slowly for a few months now, but I have to say I&#039;m shocked today.  It seems that Greg C is the only one willing to stand up for his rights in a meaningful, assertive way.

The rest of you sound like your apologizing for a system that taxes the middle class at near 50% (when you include all state/local income, property, and sales taxes).  This blood money is then spent on Iraq, on corporate welfare, on warrant-less wiretapping, and for subsidies to everyone on globe who bothers to stick out their hand and claim a piece of your life.  Still, the national debt and deficits continue to grow to historic proportions.  This is not a government focused on building parks and libraries.

How long and how much can the country continue to take from its productive citizens until we slowly become poor?  Average households are struggling.  I believe the US mortgage collapse is just an overture to a much longer work in progress.

Unfortunately, I have few practical actions to offer as a solution.  But to begin with, we should not give this issue such blithe assent - even in our private conversations.   



J.D., Are you really that rich to ridicule a man&#039;s anger for losing $1,500 of his refund to extra tax?  Where the heck do you live? Candyland?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading Get Rich Slowly for a few months now, but I have to say I&#8217;m shocked today.  It seems that Greg C is the only one willing to stand up for his rights in a meaningful, assertive way.</p>
<p>The rest of you sound like your apologizing for a system that taxes the middle class at near 50% (when you include all state/local income, property, and sales taxes).  This blood money is then spent on Iraq, on corporate welfare, on warrant-less wiretapping, and for subsidies to everyone on globe who bothers to stick out their hand and claim a piece of your life.  Still, the national debt and deficits continue to grow to historic proportions.  This is not a government focused on building parks and libraries.</p>
<p>How long and how much can the country continue to take from its productive citizens until we slowly become poor?  Average households are struggling.  I believe the US mortgage collapse is just an overture to a much longer work in progress.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I have few practical actions to offer as a solution.  But to begin with, we should not give this issue such blithe assent &#8211; even in our private conversations.   </p>
<p>J.D., Are you really that rich to ridicule a man&#8217;s anger for losing $1,500 of his refund to extra tax?  Where the heck do you live? Candyland?</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who spent quite a bit of her early life supported by your federal tax dollars, I&#039;d like to give you all my thanks. 

When I was a kid and my mother (a single parent who never received child support) became disabled, your federal tax dollars kept food in my belly, clothes on my back, and a roof over my head. Thank you. 

When a bright but poor student like me had strong enough grades and SAT scores to be admitted to one of the nation&#039;s best colleges, your federal tax dollars (in the form of Pell grants and National Direct Student Loans) helped make it possible for me to take advantage of that opportunity. Thank you. 

I finished college with great grades and great GRE scores and was admitted to graduate school in the sciences. Your federal tax dollars paid for the training grants and research grants that funded my doctoral training. Thank you. 

The federal tax dollars that have continued to support my still-disabled mother allowed me to live up to my full educational potential instead of going to work to support her directly. Thank you. 

Although I too have serious misgivings about how some of our federal tax dollars are spent, I uncomplainingly pay my taxes each year because I know from personal experience that America would be a much, much different place without the social safety net funded by, yes, our federal tax dollars. 

&quot;Human capital&quot; is a hard to quantify, but I think I&#039;m able to bring something way different &quot;to the table&quot; as a citizen now that I would have otherwise. 

I&#039;m certainly much more financially secure than I would have otherwise been as a result of the educational opportunities afforded to me by those federal tax dollars. I think the US treasury is still a few years away from &quot;breaking even&quot; on me, but it&#039;ll come out ahead in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who spent quite a bit of her early life supported by your federal tax dollars, I&#8217;d like to give you all my thanks. </p>
<p>When I was a kid and my mother (a single parent who never received child support) became disabled, your federal tax dollars kept food in my belly, clothes on my back, and a roof over my head. Thank you. </p>
<p>When a bright but poor student like me had strong enough grades and SAT scores to be admitted to one of the nation&#8217;s best colleges, your federal tax dollars (in the form of Pell grants and National Direct Student Loans) helped make it possible for me to take advantage of that opportunity. Thank you. </p>
<p>I finished college with great grades and great GRE scores and was admitted to graduate school in the sciences. Your federal tax dollars paid for the training grants and research grants that funded my doctoral training. Thank you. </p>
<p>The federal tax dollars that have continued to support my still-disabled mother allowed me to live up to my full educational potential instead of going to work to support her directly. Thank you. </p>
<p>Although I too have serious misgivings about how some of our federal tax dollars are spent, I uncomplainingly pay my taxes each year because I know from personal experience that America would be a much, much different place without the social safety net funded by, yes, our federal tax dollars. </p>
<p>&#8220;Human capital&#8221; is a hard to quantify, but I think I&#8217;m able to bring something way different &#8220;to the table&#8221; as a citizen now that I would have otherwise. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly much more financially secure than I would have otherwise been as a result of the educational opportunities afforded to me by those federal tax dollars. I think the US treasury is still a few years away from &#8220;breaking even&#8221; on me, but it&#8217;ll come out ahead in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.D.,

Great article! I am a person of my word and my offer still stands that I posted on your 2/20/08 post.

My Tax Tip (my accountant showed me):
If you have a stock that you have had significant losses on during the year YET you still want to keep it. Sell the stock, take the capital loss deduction then by a &quot;index fund&quot; within the same industry. Hold for 31 days, sell, then by back your original stock. It doesn&#039;t triger the IRS &quot;wash rule&quot; b/c an index fund is looked at as seperate than an individual stock.
I hope that made sense, check with your own accountant and see if he agrees.
Travis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.D.,</p>
<p>Great article! I am a person of my word and my offer still stands that I posted on your 2/20/08 post.</p>
<p>My Tax Tip (my accountant showed me):<br />
If you have a stock that you have had significant losses on during the year YET you still want to keep it. Sell the stock, take the capital loss deduction then by a &#8220;index fund&#8221; within the same industry. Hold for 31 days, sell, then by back your original stock. It doesn&#8217;t triger the IRS &#8220;wash rule&#8221; b/c an index fund is looked at as seperate than an individual stock.<br />
I hope that made sense, check with your own accountant and see if he agrees.<br />
Travis</p>
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		<title>By: rstlne</title>
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		<dc:creator>rstlne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a bad thing to complain about taxes. If no one complains, that gives our legislators license to put even more of the burden on us when the government overspends. At least if we have a dialog going, it could become an election issue and then maybe we&#039;ll see some meaningful reform.

My tip is to move to a state with a lower sales, property, and/or income tax, depending on your goals/lifestyle. You&#039;d be surprised at the differences between states. For example, I&#039;ve been researching a move to Delaware from New Jersey and I noticed that the state income tax in the former is a bit lower than the latter. That would be a great bonus on top of the zero sales tax in Delaware. Of course, there are many other factors you have to consider when making a move, including cost of living, job availability, culture, climate, etc, but if everything else is more or less the same, consider the tax situation too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a bad thing to complain about taxes. If no one complains, that gives our legislators license to put even more of the burden on us when the government overspends. At least if we have a dialog going, it could become an election issue and then maybe we&#8217;ll see some meaningful reform.</p>
<p>My tip is to move to a state with a lower sales, property, and/or income tax, depending on your goals/lifestyle. You&#8217;d be surprised at the differences between states. For example, I&#8217;ve been researching a move to Delaware from New Jersey and I noticed that the state income tax in the former is a bit lower than the latter. That would be a great bonus on top of the zero sales tax in Delaware. Of course, there are many other factors you have to consider when making a move, including cost of living, job availability, culture, climate, etc, but if everything else is more or less the same, consider the tax situation too.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of the complainers. I am morally opposed to federal income taxes. However my method for dealing with my displeasure is to just &quot;pay the rent&quot; and go on with my life. It&#039;s one of those things in life where its probably more worth the effort making so much money where it doesn&#039;t matter. Unless you want to be like that guy who bathes in his urine.

The problem with voting and politics ( in regards to the tax and spend issue) is that voters and politicians run and vote on what they can do with other people&#039;s money. It&#039;s all about bribery and special interests on every level. People buy and sell votes and power. Electoral politics is not an arena for consistently frugal people. Unless you are personally &quot;frugal&quot; but don&#039;t mind wasting other people&#039;s money. Politicians are power hungry and voters overwhelmingly do not want their rights or freedoms protected- they want empty promises of &quot;what can you GIVE me&quot;.

The producers in society just decide to pay the fees and go about their business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of the complainers. I am morally opposed to federal income taxes. However my method for dealing with my displeasure is to just &#8220;pay the rent&#8221; and go on with my life. It&#8217;s one of those things in life where its probably more worth the effort making so much money where it doesn&#8217;t matter. Unless you want to be like that guy who bathes in his urine.</p>
<p>The problem with voting and politics ( in regards to the tax and spend issue) is that voters and politicians run and vote on what they can do with other people&#8217;s money. It&#8217;s all about bribery and special interests on every level. People buy and sell votes and power. Electoral politics is not an arena for consistently frugal people. Unless you are personally &#8220;frugal&#8221; but don&#8217;t mind wasting other people&#8217;s money. Politicians are power hungry and voters overwhelmingly do not want their rights or freedoms protected- they want empty promises of &#8220;what can you GIVE me&#8221;.</p>
<p>The producers in society just decide to pay the fees and go about their business.</p>
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		<title>By: kp</title>
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		<dc:creator>kp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best advice: Don&#039;t trust the IRS, and take time to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode26/usc_sup_01_26_10_A.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Title 26 USCA Sub A &quot;IncomeTax&quot;&lt;/a&gt; yourself.  Learn what you own and why.  Have first hand knowledge and not second hand ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best advice: Don&#8217;t trust the IRS, and take time to read <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode26/usc_sup_01_26_10_A.html" rel="nofollow"> Title 26 USCA Sub A &#8220;IncomeTax&#8221;</a> yourself.  Learn what you own and why.  Have first hand knowledge and not second hand ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment isn&#039;t so much tax advise as another way to look at the taxes that you do pay.  

I know quite a few people who think that it would be great if we didn&#039;t have any taxes. While I&#039;d agree that sometimes tax money goes to things that we disagree with or to poorly run government offices, a lot of taxes pay for things that are really useful to us.  

Many of the frugality ideas on this blog involve taking advantage of things that our taxes pay for - public libraries; city, state, and national parks; gardening and nutrition materials from the department of agriculture; schools for your children and/or the children who will one day provide the services and goods that you depend on; bridges and roads that we drive on; etc.  These services aren&#039;t perfect but only the richest of us would be able to buy access to them on our own.  

You want to handle your taxes sensibly and not pay more than your share but they aren&#039;t the worst thing that ever happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment isn&#8217;t so much tax advise as another way to look at the taxes that you do pay.  </p>
<p>I know quite a few people who think that it would be great if we didn&#8217;t have any taxes. While I&#8217;d agree that sometimes tax money goes to things that we disagree with or to poorly run government offices, a lot of taxes pay for things that are really useful to us.  </p>
<p>Many of the frugality ideas on this blog involve taking advantage of things that our taxes pay for &#8211; public libraries; city, state, and national parks; gardening and nutrition materials from the department of agriculture; schools for your children and/or the children who will one day provide the services and goods that you depend on; bridges and roads that we drive on; etc.  These services aren&#8217;t perfect but only the richest of us would be able to buy access to them on our own.  </p>
<p>You want to handle your taxes sensibly and not pay more than your share but they aren&#8217;t the worst thing that ever happened.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; The Value of Doing Your Own Taxes&#160;&#64;&#160;fivecentnickel.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; The Value of Doing Your Own Taxes&#160;&#64;&#160;fivecentnickel.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a Tax Refund or Owe the IRS? Free Money Finance: My Best Piece of Tax Advice Get Rich Slowly: Mr. Lawyer and Mr. Accountant Chat About Taxes  Mighty Bargain Hunter: A tax tip from my pastor No Credit Needed: A Taxing Situation - My Biggest [...]</description>
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		<title>By: savvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>savvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Michael - You should be issuing 1099s for those programmers.  The money is a valid business expense for you and income for them, both of which should be declared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michael &#8211; You should be issuing 1099s for those programmers.  The money is a valid business expense for you and income for them, both of which should be declared.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question:
I am a full-time employee and I own a web site development business as a side job as well. For my web business, I hire programmers from oversea to do the work for me and I pay them the money to do it. The thing is that they do not have any records or paper work to prove that they work for me. The only record I have is the bank transfer every month when I pay them.

When I do tax, is this somehting I could write off for?</description>
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I am a full-time employee and I own a web site development business as a side job as well. For my web business, I hire programmers from oversea to do the work for me and I pay them the money to do it. The thing is that they do not have any records or paper work to prove that they work for me. The only record I have is the bank transfer every month when I pay them.</p>
<p>When I do tax, is this somehting I could write off for?</p>
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		<title>By: Money Blue Book</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Blue Book</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do contract legal work as my full time job. In my line of work I frequently encounter individuals who naively think exceeding $100,000 a year is bad because that&#039;s when Uncle Sam starts taking larger chunks of your money away. 

What they fail to realize is that the government is doing so because you are making more than you were before. You will never be worse off for making more, you&#039;ll just be taking less of your income back in marginal terms.

These individuals I speak of are all fellow lawyers. This shows how little even lawyers who primarily work in other legal areas really understand the tax system. 
-Raymond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do contract legal work as my full time job. In my line of work I frequently encounter individuals who naively think exceeding $100,000 a year is bad because that&#8217;s when Uncle Sam starts taking larger chunks of your money away. </p>
<p>What they fail to realize is that the government is doing so because you are making more than you were before. You will never be worse off for making more, you&#8217;ll just be taking less of your income back in marginal terms.</p>
<p>These individuals I speak of are all fellow lawyers. This shows how little even lawyers who primarily work in other legal areas really understand the tax system.<br />
-Raymond</p>
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		<title>By: Adfecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adfecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fun read.

There are times that I understand when a person complains for getting an extra large tax bill.  The one at the top of the list is the Alternative Minimum Tax.  One year my parents got hit without having any warning and as a result nearly all of their deductions were taken away.  The resulting tax bill was around $20k and completely took them by surprise.  

I have also had a few friends my age who have gotten screwed over by the system when their parents claim them as a dependent while providing ZERO real financial support.  My friends are unable to claim the tax credits for tuition and fees which really should qualify.  Another friend (23) worked 40+ hours a week and took 9 credit hours of grad school, but was excluded from deductions and credits such as the Saver&#039;s Credit because he was considered a &quot;full time student.&quot;   

The system is so complex that far too many people fall through the cracks and truly do wind up paying an amount that common sense would judge to be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun read.</p>
<p>There are times that I understand when a person complains for getting an extra large tax bill.  The one at the top of the list is the Alternative Minimum Tax.  One year my parents got hit without having any warning and as a result nearly all of their deductions were taken away.  The resulting tax bill was around $20k and completely took them by surprise.  </p>
<p>I have also had a few friends my age who have gotten screwed over by the system when their parents claim them as a dependent while providing ZERO real financial support.  My friends are unable to claim the tax credits for tuition and fees which really should qualify.  Another friend (23) worked 40+ hours a week and took 9 credit hours of grad school, but was excluded from deductions and credits such as the Saver&#8217;s Credit because he was considered a &#8220;full time student.&#8221;   </p>
<p>The system is so complex that far too many people fall through the cracks and truly do wind up paying an amount that common sense would judge to be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that sort of polishing does tend to make things feel less real.  That&#039;s probably what was bothering me.  Anyway, don&#039;t mind my ranting, it&#039;s Monday morning.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that sort of polishing does tend to make things feel less real.  That&#8217;s probably what was bothering me.  Anyway, don&#8217;t mind my ranting, it&#8217;s Monday morning.  <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-reading this, I can see I&#039;ve &quot;polished&quot; the conversation which made it a little less human than it actually was. Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-reading this, I can see I&#8217;ve &#8220;polished&#8221; the conversation which made it a little less human than it actually was. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Sean&lt;/b&gt;

Actually, most of this dialogue is pretty real. Some of it is directly from notes I jotted while we were talking. However, the bits and parts that I had to fictionalize (there were two accountants, not one, for example) probably pushed it over into &quot;stilted&quot;.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Sean</b></p>
<p>Actually, most of this dialogue is pretty real. Some of it is directly from notes I jotted while we were talking. However, the bits and parts that I had to fictionalize (there were two accountants, not one, for example) probably pushed it over into &#8220;stilted&#8221;.   <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taxes get a bad rap a lot of times because like Ron said, the money is wasted a good portion of the time. I like to think of it as building parks and libraries and busses and trains. Maybe it just makes it easier to give away a portion of my check that way. I at least like to believe my tax money helped someone along the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taxes get a bad rap a lot of times because like Ron said, the money is wasted a good portion of the time. I like to think of it as building parks and libraries and busses and trains. Maybe it just makes it easier to give away a portion of my check that way. I at least like to believe my tax money helped someone along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So IRS&#039;s withholding calculator hasn&#039;t been working for weeks now... oy vey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So IRS&#8217;s withholding calculator hasn&#8217;t been working for weeks now&#8230; oy vey.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urk.  The advice is good, but this reads like a &quot;Rich Dad, Poor Dad&quot; chapter.  I think it&#039;s the stilted, fictionalized dialogue.  I mean, I&#039;m sure this is based on a real conversation, but the dialogue itself is obviously made up.

Also the bit about middle class whining.  Trust me, the rich resent taxes as much as the next guy.  ;)

Just so you know, I generally love your blog, and I&#039;m a long-time reader.  This column just struck some sort of nerve, as Kiyosaki really irritates me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urk.  The advice is good, but this reads like a &#8220;Rich Dad, Poor Dad&#8221; chapter.  I think it&#8217;s the stilted, fictionalized dialogue.  I mean, I&#8217;m sure this is based on a real conversation, but the dialogue itself is obviously made up.</p>
<p>Also the bit about middle class whining.  Trust me, the rich resent taxes as much as the next guy.  <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Just so you know, I generally love your blog, and I&#8217;m a long-time reader.  This column just struck some sort of nerve, as Kiyosaki really irritates me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron@TheWisdomJournal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron@TheWisdomJournal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of the one&#039;s complaining but it&#039;s because I disagree with how my tax dollars are spent. There is more waste than anyone wants to admit, some estimates are in the trillions of dollars.

I pay what I owe, but I maximize every deduction and credit and work to insure that I break even at tax time.

I also vote, having done so since 1984, but it never seems to do any good. The politicians always, ALWAYS disappoint me when they get into office.</description>
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<p>I pay what I owe, but I maximize every deduction and credit and work to insure that I break even at tax time.</p>
<p>I also vote, having done so since 1984, but it never seems to do any good. The politicians always, ALWAYS disappoint me when they get into office.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome article, thanks! My wife and I had a similar experience where Quicken estimated a large return, and in actuality, it was much smaller. I had to keep reminding her that even though it wasn&#039;t the large amount, at least we were getting money back, not having to pay more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome article, thanks! My wife and I had a similar experience where Quicken estimated a large return, and in actuality, it was much smaller. I had to keep reminding her that even though it wasn&#8217;t the large amount, at least we were getting money back, not having to pay more.</p>
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		<title>By: elisabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>elisabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We used a CPA for years because we weren&#039;t married but did own a house together, part of which we rented out, and each of us had both employed and self-employed income to declare -- sure, we could probably have figured things out (on the &quot;how many Ph.Ds does it take to do a tax return&quot; model), BUT, we decided time = money and not having to think about it was a better deal.  Plus, I like the idea of having someone who, in the unlikely event we were audited, would be part of the solution!  
The year I had cancer the CPA was especially helpful, since I ended up having to file late that year and the year after he was helpful again, when he worked out whether (we got married during my cancer year) filing jointly or singly was the best option... So, while it isn&#039;t inexpensive, it is a good luxury item for us, and having a long-term relationship with a CPA has been of value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We used a CPA for years because we weren&#8217;t married but did own a house together, part of which we rented out, and each of us had both employed and self-employed income to declare &#8212; sure, we could probably have figured things out (on the &#8220;how many Ph.Ds does it take to do a tax return&#8221; model), BUT, we decided time = money and not having to think about it was a better deal.  Plus, I like the idea of having someone who, in the unlikely event we were audited, would be part of the solution!<br />
The year I had cancer the CPA was especially helpful, since I ended up having to file late that year and the year after he was helpful again, when he worked out whether (we got married during my cancer year) filing jointly or singly was the best option&#8230; So, while it isn&#8217;t inexpensive, it is a good luxury item for us, and having a long-term relationship with a CPA has been of value.</p>
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