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This is a guest post from FrugalTrader, who blogs about personal finance from a Canadian perspective at Million Dollar Journey.
In 2003, my girlfriend (now wife) and I graduated from university with nearly $50,000 in debt. This debt was a combination of my wife’s $30,000 in student loans and her $20,000 new car loan. Since I learned fundamental saving habits at a very young age, I managed to graduate university debt-free with $10,000 in savings. Combined, however, we were $40,000 in the red (not including a new mortgage).
Over the past five years, our financial picture has changed drastically. Not only have we dug ourselves out of the hole, but we’ve grown our combined net worth to over $285,000.
How did we do it? We didn’t strike it rich in real estate, we didn’t luck into some crazy stock tip, and we don’t even have extremely high paying jobs (we started at $85,000 gross combined). Instead, we systematically controlled our spending so that our expenses were well below our income. We then took the savings and aggressively paid down our debts while at the same time investing for our retirement.
Here’s how we did it:
- We minimized our housing costs. We used my $10,000 in savings as a down payment and purchased an income property where we could live in one unit and rent out the other. The rental income from the other unit helped pay for most of our mortgage expense.
- We paid ourselves first. Upon graduation, we set up our bank accounts to transfer at least 10% of our take-home pay to a separate high interest rate savings account. As this account grew, it was separated into an emergency fund, lump-sum debt payments, and retirement lump-sum contributions. Any money left over in our regular account after paying bills (and discretionary spending) was used to either invest or pay down debt.
- We lived well below our means. We followed The Wealthy Barber philosophy of separating our wants and needs. This simply means that before you purchase something, you ask yourself a question: “Is this item a want or a need?”. We try to limit our purchases to “needs”. Following this rule saves us around 15-20% of our take-home pay.
- Any additional money was saved. As our combined salaries increased over the years, we’ve kept our lifestyle the same, which has resulted in greater savings. In addition, tax returns or any other “free” money is re-invested or saved. Lately, we’ve been saving up to 30% of our take-home pay.
- We aggressively paid down debt. We used our savings to pay down our student- and car-loan debt, while at the same time investing money in our retirement accounts. We paid off our student loan debt in late 2005, and completed the car payments in early 2007.
- We invested our savings for the long term. Along with maximizing our retirement contributions, we kept our eyes open for investment opportunities. In 2005, we came by a great deal on a single-family home, and picked it up at a steep discount relative to other homes in the area. We still earn rental income on this home.
Using these six steps, we have turned our financial situation around. We currently have no student or consumer debt, and have grown our net worth to over $285,000. My wife and I now aim to have $1 million in net worth by the time we reach the age of 35 (we’re 28 now). Whether your goal is to get out of debt, obtain passive income, or to achieve great wealth, the key is to set your goals, create a plan and stick with it.
For those of you who follow my blog, you know that we have recently upgraded our lifestyle with a new house. Even so, we kept our mortgage expense fairly low relative to our income by putting a large down payment on the home. Other than that, we still pay ourselves first and invest aggressively.
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March 11th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Great post. It is really inspirational to see living frugally and saving work for someone. Keep up the good work.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
C’mon J.D., you couldn’t have found a photo of Canadian twenties?
March 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
It was amusing to think that the CAN dollar was of different value to the US dollar. Buy then I realize they are the same now… makes me smirk with a little sadness on the side.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
The last two comments crack me up. I’ve been thinking similar things lately, Dangger. And Anne, FT gave me the photo, so I plead innocent.
(Though I confess I didn’t actually think to look for Canadian twenties myself…)
March 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Always good to hear stories about how people tackle their debt and begin to grow their assets.
I have a few friends who are very involved with real estate investments. They seem more stressed these days.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Wow, nice to hear the story in a bit more summary form. I’ve read FT’s blog since the start.
Keep it up,
Tim
March 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
This is a great story. But, honestly, anyone who got into the Canadian real estate market in the last few years should be able to say the same thing. (This is not to diminish the accomplishments of the OP.)
March 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Well done! My story is almost identical, except that I went from ($30,000) to $7 million in just 7 years, by adding TWO key items to this list:
1. Increasing income (I did this by starting various businesses), and
2. Investing the proceeds - (Save at least 50% … I saved nearly 100% … and investing in buy-and-hold real-estate, stocks, and the businesses themselves).
March 11th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Andrea, that would really depend on what part of Canada you are from. The housing market appreciation in NL has been modest at best over the past 5 years. Going forward however may be a different story with the oil boom around these parts.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I think the hardest part is focus. Because so many things come up to make you lose focus. It’s good you two stayed focus and were both actively involved
March 11th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
It must be a warm fuzzy feeling to have someone(s) else pay your mortgage.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
This is a very inspirational post from someone who has really stuck with their plan. While our financial picture has not changed quite a rapidly, if we had stuck with some of your points, it probably would have.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Well done on making some smart money choices. $285K net worth in 5 years is awesome.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Its good to read about other people who are a litle further ahead of us. My fiancee and I are on the same path, and things are going well but it gets frustrating. I to get there NOW
But of course its buy and hold, and Get Rich Slowly. Patience is the key
March 11th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Great job! You mentioned you got married in the interim. Were you frugal with wedding expenses? What do people think is a reasonable amount or percentage of income to spend on a wedding?
March 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Great question, Sara!
Just to clarify - when you say your net worth is $285K, does this include or exclude the house that you live in?
Thanks for the inspiring post. I’m going to take a look at your blog too.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Sara, yes, we were fairly frugal with wedding expenses and having generous parents helped also.
SusanO, my last net worth update (~$285k) did not include a principle residence as we were in between moves. Our next update at the end of the month will include the principle residence.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
This is an impressive change in a short time. Congrats!
March 11th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Way to go FT! Keep up the good work.
Mike
March 11th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Congratulations! You and your wife accomplished a lot, and you should be very proud.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
wow, amazing! i’m hoping to follow in your footsteps!
first… must get out of school and get real job.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Very impressive !! Achieving $300K+ over 5 years must be a warm feeling. Congrats on your efforts & dedication.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Again, not to make light of your impressive gains, but a quick look on Google suggests that even Newfoundland real estate has appreciated 50% or more in the past 5 years. For example, if someone picked up a house for $100k and a second house for $80k (when it was worth $100k) two years later and the market had averaged 10% returns, this would generate a net worth of about $214k right there, assuming the mortgage on the first house was paid off. Add in a couple of cars and even modest RRSPs, and you would be at $285k.
Granted, most people would not be able to pay down their mortgage in 5 years. But I’m just showing how home ownership can influence net worth at this point in time.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:34 am
Andrea, very valid points, and yes, of course real estate can affect net worth. That’s why 90% of the richest people in the world got ahead via real estate investment.
I can see your argument for someone who bought a house in Calgary or Vancouver 5 years ago, but as you can see from my net worth statements, real estate does not make up a huge part of my portfolio.
I currently have an investment property with $30k ($20k appreciation) equity and I recently sold my primary residence for $20k profit. So in the last 5 years, appreciation has accounted for a total of $40k of my $300k+ net worth gain. Not a lot in my opinion.
March 12th, 2008 at 6:02 am
MinWage #11, if you expended the same effort to make something of yourself that you currently burn to dump on every personal finance/frugality blog on the net, you’d be a massive success. Do you truly enjoy digging yourself into a rut one post at a time, or that you’ll change your life via trolling, or the pity of anonymous Netizens?
What a sad waste of the unique miracle that is a human life.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Congrats FT - you and your wife are definitely great role models and thanks JD for your interest in your neighbours to the North.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Not to diminish what you accomplished, but who in this world thinks that 85k a year is not a “high paying” income? Does anyone know what percentage of people in the country make that much? I know it is not many. I am just out of college and hoping for a raise so I make 26k a year. I don’t know anyone my age that makes much more than I do. Again, I don’t want to put down your accomplishments, because they really are great and your points are helpful. I just wonder why people don’t realize how well off they are with incomes in the top few percentage points in America.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:11 am
I call bull%#*. Something else is happening in this story (if it’s true) to generate the money described above than the 6 points listed. Sorry but those six suggestions about controlling spending are not going to generate $325k of wealth in five years. Starting with a take home income of (.66×85k) = $56k per year, even spending NOTHING in five years barely gets you there unless something else is happening.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:33 am
“If thou wilt make a man happy, add not unto his riches but take away from his desires.” ~ Epicurus
March 12th, 2008 at 11:35 am
To Ao:
You underestimate their income, mostly because you forgot that they have a rental property that covers most of their mortgage. More so, he’s in Canada and that likely means their home has increased in value since the Canadian economy is booming. I know that my mom (she’s from Edmonton) had the value of her condo rise 75% over 5 years because the market is booming there at the moment which may account for some of the increase. There is a reason 90% of the world millionaires make their money in real estate.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:58 am
nigel,
it depends where you live.
i am just out of college and my starting salary is 45k. but i live in sf (my rent is 1250). so its all relative. my starting salary is also low comparitively with my friends.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
I believe that was a joint income of $85k, not an individual income. As a household income, that isn’t high in Canada. However, for young people, it is a good joint income.
If only $40k comes from real estate, those gains are impressive, indeed. But, again, it would be interesting to see where the money is invested.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Nigel, FT said that he and his wife made $85k combined. Sure, it’s still significantly more than what you currently make but it’s not excessively high either.
AO, if you consider compounding interest over the past 5 years (the TSX is up over 100% since Jan. ‘03) his numbers are very legit and not unreasonable at all. Also, I’m sure their salaries have increased substantially over the past 5 years given they are recent graduates and (I believe) both professionals.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
It is a nice job by them but I am far more impressed with people who are able to save significant amounts of money on low or average incomes. I want to read more of those types of posts. A post that many people can relate to. Supposedly 50% of full-time workers in this country make under $20,000 a year. Those people who are able to save significant amounts of money on low salaries inspire me.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Thats a great story.
I went from $10,000 in credit debt to a net worth of $315,000 with almost no debt except a small 15 year mortgage in 8 years all by myself as a single person. I too bought a nice duplex and live in one unit. It can be done!
March 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Is this a great country or what?
March 12th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Schizohedron (great name, I’m not even gonna TRY to guess how many sides THAT has):
I thought I had a plan, I bought something I thought I could sell at a big profit. (It’s still worth $10K.) It was intended as the start of a business.
Is it too much to ask to have a normal amount of living space?
March 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
It looks like the key to financial “success” for most of you is to rent out property and pass on a huge percent of your mortgage payment to the renter.
That seems pretty close to the haves preying on the have-nots.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Or, as I like to put it, Is this a great country or what? (grin)
March 12th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
March 12th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Um, er, ah…OOPS!
Well, Canada is a great country too!
March 12th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Oh……No preying on the have-nots
Not everyone wants to buy and not everyone is ready to buy a house. Not everyone wants to hastle with maintenance and doing the lawn. All of my tenents have been happy to be here. My tenents pay the going rate for rent and it happens to cover the mortagage and insurance. Besides, in this country, buying income generating property can be done by anyone who takes a little time to study up on which are smart investments and which are not.
Only half my net worth is the house. This IS a great country
March 12th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
“Only half my net worth is the house.”
Sure is easy to build net worth when you have other people paying for the largest expense you’ll ever have in your life.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
“Sure is easy to build net worth when you have other people paying for the largest expense you’ll ever have in your life.”
Smartest move I ever made!
Actually being a deciplined saver and not spending is what makes it easy to build wealth
March 12th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
If it was truly so simple then nearly every person would own property instead of renting, and that would cause the pool of renters required to support your wealth to vanish. The very nature of your income relies on people who can not afford to own property.
There are lots of “smart” moves to made when it comes to business and income; that doesn’t mean they are ethical.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
March 12th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Obviously renting isn’t a problem. The issue is renters paying a huge chunk (or in some cases like Kathy here ALL) of the owner’s mortgage and other expenses like insurance. Meanwhile the owner enjoys (or at least used to enjoy) a ridiculous amount of appreciation on their free property.
And the disparity of wealth grows ever larger in the name of “smart” investment moves.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Providing a beautiful well-maintained home for people who need a place to live at a fair market price is far from unethical. I always feel great about what I provide. Its a win-win for sure! My current tenents are happy as clams and saving for their own home someday. They pay what everyone else in town pays for rent.
JD…I like visiting your site everyday! I’ve been going through the archives and reading about gardening. I’m gonna take a stab at it this year.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Um, Kathy, for decades I have wanted to buy an income generating property. I have even found a few excellent deals, but I was never able to fund any of them on my minimum wage income plus student loan debt. (i.e. low income + debt = bad ratios + no qualify)
So I think I can make a pretty good case that knowledge without money and credit won’t make you wealthy.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
When a low-income person pays half their income for rent and doesn’t even have a normal amount of living space, is that a win-win situation?
March 12th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Minumum wage…I bought mine with $2,500 down and an FHA loan that I refinanced two years later. I had good credit rating. I rented from the owner first for 2 years and made him an offer.
My cousin had no job for years and just started a low paying job, her husband declared bankrupsy twice so even though she left the marriage she couldn’t even get a checking account. She found a two family…talked to the owner….made him an offer….talked him into seller financing so she didn’t need a bank….and boom homeowner with rental income!
March 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Is that your situation minimum wage? My tenents have 1200 square feet of living space, their own driveway and a huge yard to run around in. I rehabed the place with new carpeting, new appliances, and new kitchen flooring before they moved in…oh yeah and central air. Definitly win-win.
I’m not sure people realize that the first rule of buying rental property is that the income should cover all expenses plus some profit. If it doesn’t its the wrong property.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I’ve been clamoring for years that developers should build tiny microhousing units small and affordable enough for the average childless unskilled American to buy and own.
Someone is finally doing this in LA, and Living Almost Large has a post (Smaller Living) citing an MSN article on it.
Actually, most landlords can be divided into two groups: the mom-and-pop weekend landlords just trying to buy and hold for long-term appreciation and retirement security, and the Big Bad Professional who owns and/or manages a lot of units.
Mom-and-Pop, owning at most a handful of units, are averse to vacancy. They tend to price at the low end of market and are happy to have good stable low-maintenance long-term tenants. Being averse to vacancy, they are also market laggards and the last to raise rents as long as cash flow at least breaks even.
Professionals, owning many units, have different objectives and calculations. They tend to be tax optimizers who exchange in and out of properties to maximize depreciation writeoff and defer taxes. Because they have shorter time horizons for each property - in addition to the usual incentive to maximize cash flow - maximizing the rent roll is crucial, as this makes a property more valuable when it is time to sell.
If a large property is fully rented, rent is not being maximized, as there is room to make more money by raising it. It’s a tricky calculation, but large properties often maximize cash flow at a modest, non-zero vacancy rate (like, say, 5-10 percent).
So small landlords are generally great, but one should be wary of the large ones.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Yes, I have a small 300-square foot unit which normally would be fine for just me, but I bought some stuff for resale and my landlord decided the place isn’t big enough for me AND my stuff, so I had to rent a storage unit for it.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Sure is easy to build net worth when you have other people paying for the largest expense you’ll ever have in your life.
That’s capitalism, in a nutshell. It sucks to be on the paying end instead of the receiving end, but them’s the rules of the game, like it or not.
I’m one of those people who never imagined I’d be able to afford a house. Now the first house my husband and I ever bought is a rental, and we’ve got a tenant in the basement of our current house. (We cut him a great deal, compared to similar units in the area, but it still takes a big bite out of the mortgage.) In a few years we’d like to buy house #3 and rent out this one.
It works for us by living modestly, below our means–which for many years were below average for our area–and looking for good opportunities. Take The Millionaire Next Door to heart. Both of our houses were fixer-uppers and we put in a lot of “sweat equity” to make them nice.
My family of 4 lives in ~800 square feet out of our 1400 square foot house. That feels palatial compared to the shy 700 sf of our last house….Minimum wage, I wonder if you’d consider 200 square feet per person to be “a normal amount of living space”? It works for us!
March 12th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
That’s capitalism, in a nutshell. It sucks to be on the paying end instead of the receiving end, but them’s the rules of the game, like it or not.
Wait, the rules are rigged. The rules generally prohibit lots and dwellings small enough for the average unskilled American to buy.
That’s not capitalism when government prevents the poor from buying property in increments they can afford.
All I “need” is a 400-square foot house on a 2,000-square foot piece of land, but minimum lot sizes and setback requirements make that impossible.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
200 square feet (or 800 for a family of four) would be adequate for someone without a home business.
To operate a business from home (as I would like to do) you probably need more space than that, and if you are selling goods which take up space, you certainly need more than 200 square feet, unless you’re selling something very small and very expensive (gems?).
March 12th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
[...] Rich Slowly has an article explaining how one man went from being $40k in debt to having a net worth of $285k in five years. [...]
March 12th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
All I “need” is a 400-square foot house on a 2,000-square foot piece of land, but minimum lot sizes and setback requirements make that impossible.
Have you ever considered a trailer park? 400 sf sounds like about how big a singlewide trailer is, and 2000 sf is probably about the size of the average lot, more or less.
“Manufactured homes” are what they’re calling trailers these days, and they are a whole lot nicer than it used to be. And depending on where you put your place, you might be buying the lot beneath it, or paying a monthly fee that’s way lower than rent…
March 12th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
way to go! with the value of the dollar tanking, all the money you saved is now worth less than when you saved it. At least you have extra money now to pay for the high price of gasoline, food, etc.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Maybe things have changed, but I remember lot rents as being so ridiculously high that I couldn’t see ANY sense in living in a trailer park unless somehow you owned your lot.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
@Adam: Even many low-income people can afford the *payment* on a house, if it’s a cheap house in a so-so or bad neighborhood. Some of them can even afford the repairs, if they cut some corners. It’s getting into the mortgage in the first place that’ll kill ya. People with lower incomes often don’t have good credit either, much less a down payment.
My rent is $360. That’s still a house payment, if I had had the credit and the down payment, but I had neither.
I live in a four-apartment building, and I know full well my rent’s covering a portion of the building mortgage (it was last valued in the $70k’s), property tax, etc. I have no problem with that. I only feel taken advantage of when my landlords do the least amount of work possible to make sure this building remains in good repair. If you’re a good landlord, if you take care of your building, I don’t care what my rent is covering as long as it’s legal.
@Schizohedron: Minimum Wage has got the same amount of time in a day that you do. I doubt he’s in his financial situation because he posts comments on blogs. You’re commenting too, right?
March 12th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
@Minimum Wage: That depends on what part of the country you’re renting in. I was stunned how little my dad is paying for housing expenses, trailer payment and lot rent, and he’s in a brand-new trailer. But he’s also in rural Louisiana. We have a few trailer parks here in Columbus, Ohio, but I may not want to know how much those folks are paying. And it’s probably still cheaper than, say, California.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
@Angie: Except for the fact that trailers depreciate in value and are comparatively flimsy compared to permanent buildings, my dad’s trailer is in better shape than my apartment. Sad, huh? If it were at all possible I’d be in that doggoned trailer park next door to him in my own brand-new house. I don’t like the depreciation, and I’d hate being a tornado magnet, but to get the same mix of amenities (huge kitchen, garden tub in the master bath, etc.) in a permanent house would be beyond my reach.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
When I delivered pizzas, there were several atrocious old trailer parks, a bunch that were so-so, and two that were new and quite impressive, so I know that conditions are all over the map.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I always wonder about the choice of saving every cent for years so that you could have a good life later. I haven’t really been able to convince myself it’s such a good idea. You’re only young once.
I am very conservative on my money management, and I never, ever live above my means. I have emergency savings, my retirement savings are maxed out every year, I’m putting money away for a down payment on that “dream house” and I have a balanced budget.
I’ve been adjusting my spending according to how much I make, but I definitely do not live below my means. It just doesn’t seem like worth it to me. Maybe it’s because when I was growing up I was pretty damn poor. Who knows.
I always thought money was meant for spending. Live rich and die poor…that’s my motto. Just gotta be smart about it.
I do have one question…I’m guessing you have no children? Because that DEFINITELY would’ve thrown a monkey wrench into your plans. I know I had to make some major adjustments to my budgeting for my first child.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
I echo Phil (#34)—how about similar stories but of people on lower incomes? In addition, while the title of this post makes one think, ‘wow, that’s amazing,’ I would really really like to see the numbers. I have seen more than one of these stories where people say they increased their net worth or rid themselves of debt in a short time, give a list of what they did, but there are no actual numbers that support this. I want to see in black and white how they accomplished what they did. An actual illustration would be helpful for those of us who would like to learn more about how to take similar steps in our own lives. Chalk this up to me being a visual learner.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
liveslow2livefast brings up one of those financial uncertainty issues which fascinate me. (examples: what are optimal saving/spending/balance numbers for young people? How much will you need in/should you save for retirement when you don’t know how long you’ll live or what level of medical care you’ll need or how much (if anything) you’ll get in Social Security?)
You could write whole BOOKS on this stuff.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
I understand about saving money. I hate when people ask me for money. It’s important to not be in debt with no assets.
But when you spend your youth living like your broke and not getting out enjoying life, living just to live seems pointless. I guess you can be rich and old using your walker to get your Wall Street Journal.
There is a huge world out there to enjoy. Live in some of it before your arthritis sets in.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Part of the problem is that a lot of people don’t know what it is like to live on very low wages and seem to assume anyone can prosper or elevate their circumstances via sound planning and frugal living. While I no longer live the type of life that restricts my finances (I’m firmly in the middle - neither rich nor poor), I grew up that way and it’s a hard life with little chance of escape for most folks.
I hope people will cut people like Minimum wage some slack and realize he (or she) is not just “whining” or trying to put down the article. The advice in the article depends on a lot of circumstantial information which not everyone can take advantage of. For instance, you have to be in a market which is sufficiently competitive that you can get renters who will pay up a reasonable portion of your mortgage. You have to buy property which appreciates in value, no unexpected big expenses have to crop up (medical, for instance) and your income has to go up.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Your story is pretty similar to mine, except my wife and I have done it without any real estate — which turned out to be a smart move in our area, which was definitely part of the bubble. Rents here came nowhere close to covering purchase value. We look forward to getting a really good deal soon.
I’m 27 and my wife is 29. To give you an idea what kind of saver she is, in the three years she was out of college before I graduated, she was making less than minimum wage at a nonprofit, and saved about $20k. She lived in a room on site at work (the one perk that made the job financially feasible), and spent almost nothing. Oh, and she managed to finish college (double major in history and Spanish) in three years to save on tuition.
We got married right after I graduated with a masters degree in computer science. I funded the extra year through a research job, no added debt. I did have about $40k in student loans from undergrad. We have saved 61% (yes, I have records that accurate) of after-tax income and invested it rather successfully in targeted stocks, precious metals, and foreign currencies. At our present rate of spending, we could live off of our assets for over 7 years (and that’s assuming a 0% real return on investment). Of course that’s not the plan — but having that cushion feels pretty damn good. We could also buy our first home outright, but that’s not the plan either — I’d rather take a manageable mortgage and keep our wealth more diversified.
Minimum Wage: The question “how much should I save?” is actually the wrong way to think about the problem. Instead we ask what we really value in life, and those are the only things we spend money on. One of the biggest things we value is being able to protect and support our future children and our aging parents, not to mention any of the other people in our lives who might need our help some day. It’s a very uncertain world out there. Uncertainty is the only reason anyone needs to hold money — if you knew exactly what your future needs would be, you could just buy them in advance today.
That’s not to say we don’t ever spend money on fun things. But neither of us is comfortable spending more than a small fraction of it on temporary fun, when weighed against the things that really matter. There’s no trick to it. One simply needs to learn to be more self-aware.
March 13th, 2008 at 12:42 am
Sorry, but I doubt those numbers. If the Canadian couple was in the red for $50k and they earned $85k out of College, we can assume that took them about 2 years only to pay the debt down. Do we know the interest rate for that ever increasing $50k loan? Don’t forget that Canada loves socialism to subsidize all that imported poverty from Third World Countries, therefore taxes are stiff over there. And the financial savvy people know that’s all about the Effective Tax Rate. Add to that all the expenses of buying a new home, while being $50k in the hole, with only $10k down, which requires PMI and higher interest rates (higher risk). Keep in mind that nobody has disclosed the price of those homes, rent amounts, passive incomes (or not), CAP RATE, IRR, costly insurance for a new financed car, no investment information to calculate TVM, etc, etc, etc. If you’re relying on a housing ponzi scheme of historic proportions, which is already collapsing around the world (and will include Canada), to calculate your Net Worth, the figures are highly misleading. Just a simple back-of-the-envelope calculation tells me that reaching $285k in just 5 years, while starting out from $50k in the red and buying two homes, is a stretch. Unless daddy gave a big help, yes? There’s another dude with a popular financial blog, who brags about his Finances online, while in reality all the money came from his bride before they hooked up. Sure, when you have a girl who inherits a large sum or has a good degree that pays 6 figures, while the dude stays home in his pajamas trying to make a buck with Adsense, your finances will look tip-top in nooo time, no matter what. Thanks to the bride, though. No need to have a blog for that. Your numbers don’t add, but I could be wrong. BTW, I hold degrees from reputable American B-Schools, Summa Cum Laude, 20 years running my own International Trade business with Asia, Europe, and South America. So I look numbers all day for a living. But I could be wrong. Oh, and just one more thing, the popular belief that 90% of millionaires got there by real estate is a myth. Please, read the book The Millionaire Next Door. I’m telling you, lots of fairytales out there on the “Internets”.
March 13th, 2008 at 2:09 am
Congratulations! My wife and I thankfully are also debt free now (excluding the mortgage), with savings in the bank. However, you say you always spend carefully and aim to have a million dollars in what, seven years?
Why?
What’s the point of having a chunk of money in the bank if you don’t spend? Would it not be more fun to start treating yourself, taking holidays, buying nice things, and only have three quarters of a million in the bank?
March 13th, 2008 at 2:52 am
This isn’t living.
March 13th, 2008 at 3:26 am
Too bad the savings are US$ only. Euro would have been neat
Enough teasing - great job you did there!
March 13th, 2008 at 5:50 am
To answer some of the questions posted here:
1. No, we don’t have any children yet, but we have one on the way. The new addition will take a hit on the finances as Mom, who makes 50% of the income, will take pay cut. So yes, a child would have probably been challenging for the net worth growth.
2. The comments about those on lower incomes. Remember, it’s about saving AND increasing your income. If we didn’t do both, we wouldn’t be anywhere close to where we are today. In fact, once the saving thing turned routine, I turned my focus to increasing income.
3. Even though we save, we live a very balanced life. We take vacations, live in a nice house and go out to nice restaurants on special occasions.
4. The comment about the dollar going down, we live in Canada, our dollar has appreciated considerably in the past 5 years.
5. Being a landlord is NOT preying on the have nots. Landlords/investors are providing affordable housing for people who can’t afford to purchase their own house. I do not see how that is taking advantage of people with lower financial means.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:00 am
It’s great to hear someone pull their way through debt, but it sounds like a kind of boring way to go. I put 5% of my pay into a 401K that is matched by my employer and a few hundred a month into savings. I have two daughters, a house, a new car, and tons of electronics…yet I still find money left over each month somehow. I think the key is bargain shopping. I love the “idea” of saving nearly $300k in five years, but it just isn’t for me. Congratulations to you and your partner though.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:03 am
If everyone can follow your system, nobody will ever have to worry about recession. Are you trying to payoff your house also?
March 13th, 2008 at 7:38 am
Here’s what I’m not getting.
Median monthly housing cost is greater for renters than for homeowners. (Seems counterintuitive perhaps, but homeowners are paying the historical prices of 5 or 10 or 20 years ago when they bought their home, while renters are always paying current rents, not to mention homeowners who no longer have any mortgage payment.)
So I’m having difficulty with the idea that renters “can’t afford to purchase their own house”.
March 13th, 2008 at 8:26 am
I disagree with the premise that being a landlord is not preying on the have nots.
I live in Vancouver, BC, where the real estate speculation has driven the price of homes beyond the capacity of working people to buy. There are now issues with police and firemen no longer staying as the cost of living is too high. Meanwhile, half the condo’s built are bought and sold before they’re completed, making instant profits on speculation and ratcheting up the costs once more ( + the broker commissions which get included every time the property changes hands).
From my perspective I bemoan the state of North America at this point. It used to be that a middle class family with one working member was able to afford a home within a reasonable time, implying that relative wages were higher. Now all the extra productivity of modern first wold societies gets siphoned off into a very few hands.
We’ve seen this before, in the 20’s. Boom times. Guess what happens next..
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March 13th, 2008 at 9:23 am
@ Minimum Wage, there are people who make a living trying to help folks answer those same questions. They are called financial planners. You generally can answer the questions with more confidence for more money or with less confidence for less money. Interestingly, because opportunity costs weigh so heavily in the decision, those with means do not always choose the safer alternative. I know you would want to point out that those with fewer means do not enjoy the choice, however.
Die Broke might be a good book to check out on this topic. I think it’s sufficiently contrarian to keep your interest.
March 13th, 2008 at 9:43 am
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March 13th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Hey wasn’t there a post attached to this comment thread somewhere??
FrugalTrader’s story is not a rags to riches tale about climbing out of the gutter a la Pursuit of Happyness or a courageous battle against a mountain of debt on a low salary. It is a story of a young couple (28) who had a good financial plan from the beginning and DIND’T bury themselves in debt from school and consumer items and NEVER bought a house they couldn’t afford and they lived WELL below their means and SAVED the difference.
It may not be “movie of the week” material but I think it’s a great story.
Mike
March 13th, 2008 at 10:02 am
I don’t really agree with the argument that landlords are somehow doing people with lower income a favour by renting out there suites.Sure there are some good people out there but The attitude I get from most lanlords is that I somehow owe it to them for letting me live there and that if I don’t like it leave. I live in a Canadian city with outrageous house prices (400+ for anything remotely decent) and the way most landlords treat there tenants is despicable.
People are literally getting thrown out onto the streats becuase of rent increases and “Condo conversions” etc.
I’m not tryna place blame on anyone for tryna make a quick buck of renting but there are a lot of ignorant and greedy landlords out there who really don’t care about anything but money.
March 13th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Absolutely landlords are exploiting their tenants. People need shelter, there is finite supply, so landlords do not compete, and charge the maximum that people can afford. Any landlord who charges above about a third of what the current average rents are now should be hit with higher business property taxes multiplied per tenant and should forfeit mortgage deductions. There’s no way taxes could be passed on to renters, and the money raised could be used for public housing and factory dorms. As we are finding out, “making money” from real estate is economic parasitism.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Interestingly, because opportunity costs weigh so heavily in the decision, those with means do not always choose the safer alternative. I know you would want to point out that those with fewer means do not enjoy the choice, however.
Or, to put it a different way, the affluent/wealthy (are able to) take more risks. It is well known that the poor tend to be risk-averse.
As one author put it, “The rich play the money game to win. The poor play the money game to not lose.”
March 14th, 2008 at 1:34 am
I’m a renter and don’t feel exploited as we pay much less to live in this apartment than it would cost us to buy. This is the case throughout Australia and in expensive US markets like California. Home owners without a mortgage appear to be getting to live for free but they forfeit the return they could have earned by investing the money they used to buy their house in something more lucrative. This is what economists call “opportunity cost”. The majority of the rich got there by either:
1. Building businesses.
2. Earning a high professional income in medicine, law, management etc.
3. Getting lucky with stock options in high tech companies.
Sure there are people who got rich as average employees and investing in real estate or stocks and being frugal but I bet they are a minority of those with high net worth.
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March 14th, 2008 at 6:01 am
great story and it inspires me a lot
March 14th, 2008 at 10:27 am
I, too, take exception to the “preying on the poor” comment above.
My wife and I recently bought a rental property. We like to think we do things properly, having rented most of our lives ourselves.
We’ve come to two conclusions as a result of our experiences:
1. The grass looks greener on the other side, but it’s the same shit underneath
Ah, to live a life where people don’t call you at 3 AM to fix a leaking faucet. Or one where you don’t have to worry about property taxes and mortgage interest rates going up and the furnace and roof at both your house and the rental property going at the same time.
As a tenant, when my furnace didn’t work, I just picked up the phone. Life at home was simple, leaving my wife and I to do all sorts of fun things that we simply don’t have time for anymore.
2. Earning money is hard, from both a time and a risk perspective.
There’s no substitute for hard work, it seems, despite our best efforts in trying to find it =). We got to where we are (and my goodness do we have a long way to go before the mortgages are paid off) with lots of hard work, many sleepless nights, not taking vacations, etc. It’s been tough. Has it been worth it, we think so. We’re hoping to bring Junior into the world reasonably soon, and it’ll be good to know s/he’ll be well provided for. Perhaps some will say we “aren’t living”, but I agree with what one other poster said, that you need to figure out what’s important to you.
March 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Boring life style with tons of money in the end…
One very successful businessman told me once that it was his mistake to pay off his mortgage at age of 38 by controlling his spending so that his “expenses were well below his income”. All the time he was dreaming to buy a “Harvey” (he could afford it). He bought this bike now, but doesn’t enjoy it anymore as well as many other things he was dreaming about.
Lesson to me: don’t sink in debt, but don’t refuse enjoy the “stupid things”…if you can afford it.
March 14th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Just to clarify a few comments:
Most multi-millionaires MAKE their money in businesses and KEEP their money in real-estate. Stocks also, but, less so …
Multi-millionaires focus MORE on increasing income and LESS on saving …
Multi-millionaires DELAY gratification, but don’t give up ALL gratification.
Even though I am speaking from personal experience (as I do on my own blog), it is all laid out in recent surveys of 5,000 US multi-millionaires as published recently in Get Rich, Stay Rich, Pass It On”.
MillionDollarJourney is on the right path!
March 14th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
AJC: This is true of people with a few million especially in the US but less so in Australia - it’s rare here for someone to own a whole apartment building - small investors own individual houses or condos for rental. Institutions are almost not in the residential game at all. At the highest wealth levels property is less important in the US as a share of wealth from the data except for those who are property specialists like Sam Zell etc. But even at the lower level (top 10%) unincorporated business equity is bigger than non-owner occupied property in the Federal Reserve family finance surveys.
March 15th, 2008 at 1:11 am
I’m a bit of a skeptic, too.
Not in the since that I don’t think this guy could have “saved” that much money in that short amount of time (although it IS remarkable), but in the sense of “what kind of person would want to live like that in order to save that much money?”
People. Life is all you got. You can either feel guilty or enjoy it. If you feel guilty — and I don’t blame you, we got it too good here in North America compared to other places — then it doesn’t make sense to hoard all this money. Give it to charity, send it to Africa, or start a church.
If you don’t feel guilty — and I don’t blame you, we got some pretty sweet stuff to spend our money on here in North America — then SPEND SOME OF IT!
Dude, you need to enjoy a nice meal more than on a “special occasion”. Buy some nice wine. Try some imported food. Get a quality haircut. Get a facial and a massage. Play golf. Buy some nice art. Do something completely outrageous for your wife. Buy organic and local produce. Pretend you are trying to enjoy your life.
In short, enrich your life!
You should be ashamed that you have scrimped and hoarded so much to “save” all that money. You can do what you want, obviously, but that doesn’t mean you should be admired.
I think some of these people commenting are really sending the wrong message. Of course you should save money and not go into debt (especially credit card debt).
But should you ask yourself whether you “need or want” a good or service at the slightest impulse of buying? Hell no! That’s a recipe for a heart attack, high-blood pressure, and emotionally unstable behavior.
Oh well. It looks like you got plenty of fans.
Just curious here. Are you going to cut corners on your child? Are you going to ask yourself whether the baby “needs or wants” the best doctor money can buy? What about education? Public schools, I’m sure. What about food for the baby? Please, please spend some of the money, bro.
Am I the only one who finds this kind of behavior questionable? Some of the comments have been critical of the whole landlord thing (blah blah blah).
But what about this guy’s miserly attitudes and behaviors? That just can’t be a good way to live out the precious time we have on this planet. And I would hate to think that EVERYONE posting comments here condones this type of behavior.
Alas, I don’t think this is the proper way to influence.
Sorry to rain on the parade, but somebody has got to speak up about the things that this guy is missing out on in life because he asks himself a “needs/wants” question every few seconds.
Later,
Bobby
March 15th, 2008 at 4:20 am
What has your wife/girlfriends debt got to do with you?
She should be made to take responsibility for her own debts.
You married her - not her bank account.
March 15th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Certainly there are some PF Bloggers who overdo the frugal thing when they could relax and enjoy life more - I didn’t have a positive net worth really till age 31 and am doing fine now. I don’t see that here though. The guy seems to have mainly made money from property appreciation (it would be nice to have a breakdown of that though). I do ask myself if something is worth buying every time I make a purchase. I don’t think that is a bad thing - this way I get to spend money on the things I really want - including not having to work so hard all my life.
March 15th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
I’m abit skeptical as some of you as well with this whole hoodoo of blogs on savings and blogging about it but thats me and its their business.
But with regards to savings and scrimping i don’t see what he does is wrong. Of course you can have a good meal and nice wine and all, but the point is that perhaps when working adults gets richer they really get attached to things that they really don’t make them happy in the longterm.
I consider myself a scrimper or a saver for whatever you call it but that doesn’t stop me from getting my favorite food going to good restraunt and all.
It would seem that people in this part of the woods (Singapore) don’t need these sites alot cause its a tradition to save and be frugal.
bottomline, your money habits have psychological link to your bowels. too much spurging like stomach upset is no good, too little like constipation isn’t good either.
March 16th, 2008 at 8:35 am
It would be interesting to see how much real estate represents in your net worth calcualtion.
Residential real estate is still at nearly an all-time high here in the U.S. but expected to adjust downward significantly by the end of 2009.
Historically, residential real estate has a very low real return - about 1%, so should be thought of as a method of preserving prior gains, not as an investment, as 7million7years notes.
Currently, even with 20% down, the average single family residence is still not cash flow positive as a rental.
March 16th, 2008 at 9:57 am
For me…I am frugal with the things I don’t care about so I can spend on the things I do. I’ve done great with saving and increasing my net worth as I posted earlier, but I get very expensive highlights, have a housekeeper, and buy organic food. I think if you are really smart with saving money, you can spend it where you want. I have way less stress with money in the bank and spending in the few areas I love then going nuts and “enjoying life.” For me…all the spending and buying stuff decreases the quality of my life. People have to chose what works for them and what they want and are willing to sacrifice for it. But whether people want to believe it or not….most things worth having take sacrifice.
March 16th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
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March 17th, 2008 at 6:43 am
5 years ago there were 4 couples — each had the same combined income and had identical debt burdens. They all followed the same gameplan of living within their means and playing the property market.
One earner in couple A is struck down with an illness, temporarily halving the income. Debts start to mount, and they’re forced to downsize property, as debts rack up. Soon they cannot even pay for health insurance, worsening injury leads to permanent job loss and an eventual spiral downward into bankruptcy.
Couple B have a child and decide they have to move house to a better neighbourhood that has good schools. But so is every double income couple with children and there are not enough houses in good schooling districts. They can either rent, or must do an interest only mortgage. They choose the latter but then later find themselves in debt when interests rates rise. The housing bubble then bursts and they’re forced to foreclose anyway. They must look for a better schooling district for their kid as the wave of foreclosures is causing crime to rise in their neighborhood.
Couple C buys a house with the intentions of renting out a room to help pay for the mortgage which they know they won’t be able to afford on their own (i.e. buy-to-let mortgage). Unfortunately everyone has the same idea and soon there is a glut in rental property, so they’re forced to lower rents to ensure they have a paying tenant. Interest rates rise in the booming economy but rental income is not keeping pace with interest payments. Soon the couple finds themselves in debt as recession looms, threatening their own salary and/or the wage levels of potential tenants.
5 years later Couple D are well on their way to becoming millionaires and owning 3 properties. They want to tell everyone how easy it is to do what they did so post it on their blog. Everyone reading it says this is good advice, since it worked for them so it must work for anyone who tries it — that is, anyone who has managed to write about their own success 5 years later on a blog. (If couples A, B, or C have blogs, people don’t seem to be linking to them for some unknown reason.)
And now we know there is no excuse for not being rich, since the economic conditions of the next 5 years will be exactly like those of the previous 5… no?
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March 19th, 2008 at 11:45 am
I’ll agree with that. Setting goals is the best thing you can do to help yourself out financially.
Anyone who saves and invest money can become a millionaire. It is that easy.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:24 am
Wonderful post! I wrote an article that is not identical but in the same genre. It’s titled Six Steps…to financially surviving a recession.
Your story is inspiring. The comment from AJC was amazing! $30,000 debt to $7 million in the positive!
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April 2nd, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Sorry, you’re an idiot to marry a girl with 50K of debt. Ok, 30K of student loans isn’t terrible if she studied a marketable major at a top school but she also took out a 20K car loan right out of college. That was stupid.
I don’t know why you’re giving out advice. This is the blind leading the blind.
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April 28th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I just wanted to answer a question asked numerous comments back - #79
Minimum Wage said that he was having trouble figuring out how if monthly costs were on average higher for renters, why are people saying that renters can’t afford to buy?
Well, when you go to finally buy that house, you will find that you often need to have a large down payment, and that is outside most people’s means. Also there are closing costs which come out to thousands of dollars more, taxes, association fees, moving fees, initiation fees, all kinds of stuff. So the actual cost of owning a house is a lot more than the monthly mortgage payment, and it takes most people years to save for these initial costs. For example, I just rented for a year at $600/month and saved $10K to put towards a down payment. My husband did the same (we live apart). We used this $20K plus our tax refund of $4K to cover the down payment plus closing costs. And now we are about to purchase a lovely condo. Renting while saving worked out terrifically for us.