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	<title>Comments on: Picking Stocks with The Motley Fool&#8217;s CAPS</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Egan</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-140010</link>
		<dc:creator>John Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to Mr. Lavaman.... You are correct, I did leave one piece out of the formula ... The EMA20 has to be on an uptrend.. (In other words moving uphill.. ) Their approach is to buy when the trend is working for you and sell when the stock or fund drops below the trend - Check it out with your own funds. It does work and their approach is designed for those that do not have a solid background in investing, and don't have the stomach for high risk. 

In my defense, anyone interested **should** at the very least go to the webpage referenced...

As to how Mr. Lavaman buys... Good for you .. Buying at a discount can be harder to perform properly than buying good stocks or funds that are moving up. I also buy discounted by using the slow stochastic. Although it seems a simple approach ... Buy when it pops over the 20 line, in fact there are several vagaries that you have to be aware of.. But again, like Mr. Lavaman, I buy discounted equities as swing trades. 

Thx jegan ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Mr. Lavaman&#8230;. You are correct, I did leave one piece out of the formula &#8230; The EMA20 has to be on an uptrend.. (In other words moving uphill.. ) Their approach is to buy when the trend is working for you and sell when the stock or fund drops below the trend - Check it out with your own funds. It does work and their approach is designed for those that do not have a solid background in investing, and don&#8217;t have the stomach for high risk. </p>
<p>In my defense, anyone interested **should** at the very least go to the webpage referenced&#8230;</p>
<p>As to how Mr. Lavaman buys&#8230; Good for you .. Buying at a discount can be harder to perform properly than buying good stocks or funds that are moving up. I also buy discounted by using the slow stochastic. Although it seems a simple approach &#8230; Buy when it pops over the 20 line, in fact there are several vagaries that you have to be aware of.. But again, like Mr. Lavaman, I buy discounted equities as swing trades. </p>
<p>Thx jegan <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Moltar Lavamann</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-140002</link>
		<dc:creator>Moltar Lavamann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Egan Says:
"Check your fund’s weekly on Yahoo’s ‘interactive chart’ against the 50 EMA …. If it drops below the line, sell… If it pops up over the line again..Buy. Why lose money?"

Umm, this makes no sense.  Essentially you're saying "Buy high, sell low".  I do the exact opposite.  I buy more shares of my index fund when it dips down (i.e. goes on sale) and buy less when it goes up (i.e. when it gets expensive).  In other words, "Buy lots low, buy fewer high".  After all, in your own words: "Why lose money?"

M. Lavamann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Egan Says:<br />
&#8220;Check your fund’s weekly on Yahoo’s ‘interactive chart’ against the 50 EMA …. If it drops below the line, sell… If it pops up over the line again..Buy. Why lose money?&#8221;</p>
<p>Umm, this makes no sense.  Essentially you&#8217;re saying &#8220;Buy high, sell low&#8221;.  I do the exact opposite.  I buy more shares of my index fund when it dips down (i.e. goes on sale) and buy less when it goes up (i.e. when it gets expensive).  In other words, &#8220;Buy lots low, buy fewer high&#8221;.  After all, in your own words: &#8220;Why lose money?&#8221;</p>
<p>M. Lavamann</p>
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		<title>By: GenYRetireRich</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137522</link>
		<dc:creator>GenYRetireRich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Motley Fools offer some pretty good advice about funds and indexing, and I reference some of these articles in my blog.  But I really wish they would tone down the "You can get rich by buying stocks" stuff.  I know that's something people want to read about, but why pander.  They should tell the truth: only a tiny fraction of their readers has a chance of beating the market with individual stock picking.  The rest should use low cost index funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Motley Fools offer some pretty good advice about funds and indexing, and I reference some of these articles in my blog.  But I really wish they would tone down the &#8220;You can get rich by buying stocks&#8221; stuff.  I know that&#8217;s something people want to read about, but why pander.  They should tell the truth: only a tiny fraction of their readers has a chance of beating the market with individual stock picking.  The rest should use low cost index funds.</p>
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		<title>By: JerichoHill</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137461</link>
		<dc:creator>JerichoHill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luca,

That wasn't the impression I got from them.  They do believe that index funds are appropriate for every investor, and that they are plan A.  I think they do the stock research for individual stocks as helping inform an investor who wants to do more than 401K/IRA indexes.  The Fool Idea I think is to inform individuals and have them choose how to build an actively managed portfolio, versus paying someone hefty fees to do it for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luca,</p>
<p>That wasn&#8217;t the impression I got from them.  They do believe that index funds are appropriate for every investor, and that they are plan A.  I think they do the stock research for individual stocks as helping inform an investor who wants to do more than 401K/IRA indexes.  The Fool Idea I think is to inform individuals and have them choose how to build an actively managed portfolio, versus paying someone hefty fees to do it for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Luca</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137449</link>
		<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very disappointed by their answer to Jericho's very good questions about index funds. It's like "if you need surgery you should go see a doctor, but I can give you a scalpel and talk you through do-it-yourself surgery..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very disappointed by their answer to Jericho&#8217;s very good questions about index funds. It&#8217;s like &#8220;if you need surgery you should go see a doctor, but I can give you a scalpel and talk you through do-it-yourself surgery&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Writer's Coin</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137418</link>
		<dc:creator>Writer's Coin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely some useful information for the active investor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely some useful information for the active investor</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137400</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the "Bogleheads Guide to Investing" is a good introduction for new investors. 

Stick to low cost index funds; and save yourself the anxiety of having to watch everything every day.

The Bogleheads forum is also a good start:

http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/index.php

The Motley fool is definitely a split personality -- you can find great advise on saving money next to endless spam on smelly investment schemes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;Bogleheads Guide to Investing&#8221; is a good introduction for new investors. </p>
<p>Stick to low cost index funds; and save yourself the anxiety of having to watch everything every day.</p>
<p>The Bogleheads forum is also a good start:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/index.php</a></p>
<p>The Motley fool is definitely a split personality &#8212; you can find great advise on saving money next to endless spam on smelly investment schemes.</p>
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		<title>By: John Egan</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137388</link>
		<dc:creator>John Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A wonderfully comprehensive and extremely easy to implement system is "Invest with Success" by Dr. Paul Schaap. He has written two books now and this is his second. It is a a very worthwhile $90 and can be ordered through his webpage. 

Aside from his 50-50 strategy, the book also shows you how to very quickly decide if a stock is worthwhile. A 1 minute read at Yahoo Finance. 

More importantly, as you go through the book, he explains what moves the market, what to ignore and that which is of value. 

Lastly, this is no 'black box' program. It is intended to help investors become profitable. He does have a webpage and you can sign up for the weekly email lectures. He also is a regular guest on TDAmeritrades web-lessons. His approach is a no-brainer education on how to invest, whether you invest in stocks, ETFs or Mutual Funds. In fact, for all the 'buy and hold' fund owners; Even if you do not buy his book, **DO** go to his webpage and sign up for the emailed lessons. Check your fund's weekly  on Yahoo's 'interactive chart' against the 50 EMA .... If it drops below the line, sell... If it pops up over the line again..Buy. Why lose money?

I have purchased and read about 2 dozen books in the last year and none of them provide the whole picture and a logical, easy to follow approach to investing theway this book does. 

Webpage : http://www.traderdoc.com/page/page/5340636.htm

Thx jegan ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wonderfully comprehensive and extremely easy to implement system is &#8220;Invest with Success&#8221; by Dr. Paul Schaap. He has written two books now and this is his second. It is a a very worthwhile $90 and can be ordered through his webpage. </p>
<p>Aside from his 50-50 strategy, the book also shows you how to very quickly decide if a stock is worthwhile. A 1 minute read at Yahoo Finance. </p>
<p>More importantly, as you go through the book, he explains what moves the market, what to ignore and that which is of value. </p>
<p>Lastly, this is no &#8216;black box&#8217; program. It is intended to help investors become profitable. He does have a webpage and you can sign up for the weekly email lectures. He also is a regular guest on TDAmeritrades web-lessons. His approach is a no-brainer education on how to invest, whether you invest in stocks, ETFs or Mutual Funds. In fact, for all the &#8216;buy and hold&#8217; fund owners; Even if you do not buy his book, **DO** go to his webpage and sign up for the emailed lessons. Check your fund&#8217;s weekly  on Yahoo&#8217;s &#8216;interactive chart&#8217; against the 50 EMA &#8230;. If it drops below the line, sell&#8230; If it pops up over the line again..Buy. Why lose money?</p>
<p>I have purchased and read about 2 dozen books in the last year and none of them provide the whole picture and a logical, easy to follow approach to investing theway this book does. </p>
<p>Webpage : <a href="http://www.traderdoc.com/page/page/5340636.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.traderdoc.com/page/page/5340636.htm</a></p>
<p>Thx jegan <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jerichohill</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137372</link>
		<dc:creator>jerichohill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I've noticed about CAPS is that its a good source of information about stocks, as many CAPS bloggers regularly source information from company publications, but its only as good as the amount of time and effort you can put into it.  I think the biggest challenge is that sheer amount of information available, processing what is good and what is bad quite frankly is a large investment, and its not guaranteed.

While CAPS auto-updates stock picks and ranks by users, it does so on a past-looking basis.  That's an issue that any forecasting system has.

Stocks are something that should be purchased after index funds, IMHO.  I think alot of questions about the Fool will be answered in a coming series where I sat down with David Gardner, co-founder of the Fool, for an hour at Starbucks.

My thought is that stocks are a good investment after one is already invested in pre and post-tax index funds, and has available cashflow and has sufficient diversification in other investment vehicles (a home, bonds, emergency fund, etc).  

While I've subscribed to a few Fool items over the years, I've never used their stock picking services (other than the free CAPS).  But I do own several companies (Costco, Berk-Hath B Class, Marvel, Under Armour, Google) that they had recommended in the past (I own them for my own reasons, obviously).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;ve noticed about CAPS is that its a good source of information about stocks, as many CAPS bloggers regularly source information from company publications, but its only as good as the amount of time and effort you can put into it.  I think the biggest challenge is that sheer amount of information available, processing what is good and what is bad quite frankly is a large investment, and its not guaranteed.</p>
<p>While CAPS auto-updates stock picks and ranks by users, it does so on a past-looking basis.  That&#8217;s an issue that any forecasting system has.</p>
<p>Stocks are something that should be purchased after index funds, IMHO.  I think alot of questions about the Fool will be answered in a coming series where I sat down with David Gardner, co-founder of the Fool, for an hour at Starbucks.</p>
<p>My thought is that stocks are a good investment after one is already invested in pre and post-tax index funds, and has available cashflow and has sufficient diversification in other investment vehicles (a home, bonds, emergency fund, etc).  </p>
<p>While I&#8217;ve subscribed to a few Fool items over the years, I&#8217;ve never used their stock picking services (other than the free CAPS).  But I do own several companies (Costco, Berk-Hath B Class, Marvel, Under Armour, Google) that they had recommended in the past (I own them for my own reasons, obviously).</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137369</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lifeson: A few thoughts...

Investors who don't have the time or inclination to get involved in stocks should steer clear and stick with index funds.

That being said, it is possible to beat the indices...Just look at the investing records of people like Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch and David Dreman.  The key is to identify high-quality stocks that possess traits that are indicative of out-performance.  James O'Shaunessy did a study of such traits over a 50-odd year period in his book 'What Works on Wall Street', which I consider to be required reading for anyone who is interested in stock picking. I plan to discuss this in a future article on my blog.

Even so, not every pick will be a winner.  The key to success is to throw the odds in your favor and manage risk through diversification.  Happiness is a high Sharpe ratio. :o)

The Fool tries to do this through their newsletters.  I subscribed to their Hidden Gems offering for a while.  And while the picks were generally good, I took issue with the sheer popularity of their newsletters, as selected stocks would commonly jump up in price as soon as they were announced in the newsletter.  In effect, the Fool is a victim of their own success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lifeson: A few thoughts&#8230;</p>
<p>Investors who don&#8217;t have the time or inclination to get involved in stocks should steer clear and stick with index funds.</p>
<p>That being said, it is possible to beat the indices&#8230;Just look at the investing records of people like Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch and David Dreman.  The key is to identify high-quality stocks that possess traits that are indicative of out-performance.  James O&#8217;Shaunessy did a study of such traits over a 50-odd year period in his book &#8216;What Works on Wall Street&#8217;, which I consider to be required reading for anyone who is interested in stock picking. I plan to discuss this in a future article on my blog.</p>
<p>Even so, not every pick will be a winner.  The key to success is to throw the odds in your favor and manage risk through diversification.  Happiness is a high Sharpe ratio. :o)</p>
<p>The Fool tries to do this through their newsletters.  I subscribed to their Hidden Gems offering for a while.  And while the picks were generally good, I took issue with the sheer popularity of their newsletters, as selected stocks would commonly jump up in price as soon as they were announced in the newsletter.  In effect, the Fool is a victim of their own success.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137365</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am skeptical as well.  Not because I don't believe it has merit, but because I haven't seen any studies that show how CAPS picks perform relative to any indices or stock ranking systems, such as Stock Scouter or Valueline.  Until I see such data, I plan to avoid using it as a basis for an investment strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am skeptical as well.  Not because I don&#8217;t believe it has merit, but because I haven&#8217;t seen any studies that show how CAPS picks perform relative to any indices or stock ranking systems, such as Stock Scouter or Valueline.  Until I see such data, I plan to avoid using it as a basis for an investment strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137361</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't have much time, but I feel like I should note my own feelings about CAPS: I'm skeptical that it's of much value.  It's an interesting experiment, but I doubt that it's any more useful than other stock-picking strategies. (And I find those to be of dubious value.)

I was just talking with a friend last night, and I mentioned that I've learned that I'm more risk-averse than I once believed. Index funds are just fine for me right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have much time, but I feel like I should note my own feelings about CAPS: I&#8217;m skeptical that it&#8217;s of much value.  It&#8217;s an interesting experiment, but I doubt that it&#8217;s any more useful than other stock-picking strategies. (And I find those to be of dubious value.)</p>
<p>I was just talking with a friend last night, and I mentioned that I&#8217;ve learned that I&#8217;m more risk-averse than I once believed. Index funds are just fine for me right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeson</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/06/22/picking-stocks-with-the-motley-fools-caps/#comment-137359</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've always found the Motley Fool website to feel very strange; within two clicks of each other, I see them pushing index funds and dollar-cost-averaging as the "boring but dependable" strategy suitable for every investor, then throwing out 20 different strategies for picking the "right" stocks individually and pimping one of their newsletter services. I see them fess up occasionally and point out that their individual picks are not always right, but like any other investing service, their history as they present it is glamorized by emphasizing their good picks and not reminding anyone of their follies. I keep thinking of the old saw that anyone with a surefire means of investing brilliantly should have little reason or incentive to peddle it out for $150/year to anyone who finds them on the internet.

I like a ton of Fool articles; they're really handy for learning new concepts about investing. Like anyone else, I'd also be intrigued to find a resource with consistently good information about stock selections that "beat the market," but as often as I read that even the professionals don't beat the market, I can't help but wonder if the additional stress and time are worthwhile. After all, beating the market really isn't even a necessary benchmark; what's important is meeting your own financial goals.

With that in mind, your own financial goals may require information for directing your own investing in individual stocks. I'll be interested to see what else gets said about the Fool here. I sound like much more of a detractor than I really am, but I've just had these gnawing suspicions about whether the Fool really provides as much information as I'd like to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always found the Motley Fool website to feel very strange; within two clicks of each other, I see them pushing index funds and dollar-cost-averaging as the &#8220;boring but dependable&#8221; strategy suitable for every investor, then throwing out 20 different strategies for picking the &#8220;right&#8221; stocks individually and pimping one of their newsletter services. I see them fess up occasionally and point out that their individual picks are not always right, but like any other investing service, their history as they present it is glamorized by emphasizing their good picks and not reminding anyone of their follies. I keep thinking of the old saw that anyone with a surefire means of investing brilliantly should have little reason or incentive to peddle it out for $150/year to anyone who finds them on the internet.</p>
<p>I like a ton of Fool articles; they&#8217;re really handy for learning new concepts about investing. Like anyone else, I&#8217;d also be intrigued to find a resource with consistently good information about stock selections that &#8220;beat the market,&#8221; but as often as I read that even the professionals don&#8217;t beat the market, I can&#8217;t help but wonder if the additional stress and time are worthwhile. After all, beating the market really isn&#8217;t even a necessary benchmark; what&#8217;s important is meeting your own financial goals.</p>
<p>With that in mind, your own financial goals may require information for directing your own investing in individual stocks. I&#8217;ll be interested to see what else gets said about the Fool here. I sound like much more of a detractor than I really am, but I&#8217;ve just had these gnawing suspicions about whether the Fool really provides as much information as I&#8217;d like to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think CAPs is bologna.  A large group of people can't predict the market because that same large group of people are what make the market to begin with! If you click on my name, i have an article up comparing the top ten picks to the S&#38;P500</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think CAPs is bologna.  A large group of people can&#8217;t predict the market because that same large group of people are what make the market to begin with! If you click on my name, i have an article up comparing the top ten picks to the S&amp;P500</p>
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