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“Want to go out to dinner?” I asked Kris last Monday night.
“No,” she said.
“Want to go out to dinner?” I asked Kris last Tuesday night.
“No,” she said.
I asked her again on Wednesday and Thursday and got the same response. “How come you never want to go out to dinner anymore?” I asked.
She gave me one of Those Looks. “J.D., are you kidding?” she said. “We’ve been going out to dinner a lot since you’ve been working from home.”
I was flabbergasted. “No way,” I said. “We never go out to dinner. Hardly at all.”
When we told this story to our friends Mike and Rhonda over the weekend, Mike pointed out that there was an easy way to determine who was right. “Check your receipts,” he said. “Bank statements don’t lie.”
Because it’s been six months since I examined my spending, I sat down this morning to do just that. I went through Quicken (for my personal expenses) and QuickBooks (for my business expenses), verifying that all accounts were up-to-date. I juggled some money around between accounts. I ran some “what-if” scenarios and updated my spending plan.
When I’d finished, I ran the category summary report. The results both pleased and shocked me. My frugal habits are holding steady in some areas but are slipping in others — like dining out.
Here’s a table of certain key expenditures, broken into half-yearly columns:
![It looks like Kris is right. But is she? [table demonstrating that my spending is doing well, except for dining out]](http://www.getrichslowly.org/images/quickenjune2008.jpg)
As you can see, I’m doing well in some categories, but dining out is not one of them. It seems, in fact, that Kris was right: I’ve spent a lot more in restaurants since I began working from home. Digging a little deeper into Quicken’s reports, I learned that:
- We dined out 40 times during the first half of 2007, for an average of $23.51 per meal.
- We dined out 44 times during the second half of 2007, for an average of $25.26 per meal.
- We’ve dined out 41 times so far this year, for an average of $41.98 per meal.
I know inflation has boosted food prices, but they haven’t gone up that much. It turns out that we’re eating in restaurants just as often as we always have — nearly twice a week — but that our tastes have grown more expensive. Looking through the detailed reports, I can see this is exactly the case. Whereas before we often chose cheap places like Burgerville, Mike’s Drive-In, or Imperial Garden, this year we’ve been eating at Gino’s, Ciao Vito, and Nostrana. The food is better, it’s true, but it also costs much more.
Obviously, this is something I need to work on.
Some other notes about my spending:
- I have $327 in untracked cash expenses over the past three months. I’ve taken money out of the bank, but haven’t noted where the cash is going. I hate that. It needs to stop. Any tips?
- My fuel costs are beginning to fall. The last time I filled my tank was June 5th. Because I’m working at home, and because I’ve been walking and biking when possible, I’m buying less gas. (If gas prices were at last year’s levels, I’d have only spent about $500.)
- My comic book spending is creeping up a little. I need to watch that. During the last half of 2007, I was able to keep myself to about $60/month, which I can live with. I’m spending nearly twice that now.
- I have, however, finally been able to reduce my spending on books. I’ve been intentionally focusing on books I already own but have not read. And I’ve been using the library. This helps. It also helps that I’m staying away from bookstores. For the past year, my spending has been at acceptable levels. (Though it’s not reflected in the table above, I used to spend about $1000 on books every year.)
- My entertainment spending has been pared to the bone. I’ve purchased no DVDs or CDs this year. I’ve spent $80 at iTunes. And the bulk of the rest? Tickets to see The Decemberists, a round of Golf in April, and our recent culinary walking tour of Portland. Not bad.
- Pet spending is holding steady. I read a lot about how expensive pets are, but I don’t agree. They seem pretty inexpensive to me, especially for the pleasure we get from them.
- Important clarification: The grocery number represents only about half of our household spending on that category. Kris and I split that expense.
Overall, I’m pleased with my long-term progress. Though you can’t see it here, my spending on these categories was over $6,000 during the second half of 2004. I’ve managed to cut that by 33% while also eliminating debt and increasing my income. These changes make a huge difference to my monthly cash flow, allowing me to save and invest, and to breathe easily about money. Even when I spend too much on food.
Remember: There’s nothing inherently wrong with purchasing things that bring you joy. But problems come when you finance these purchases with debt. If you’re meeting your other financial goals and have money left over, it’s good to indulge your interests and passions.

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June 25th, 2008 at 1:19 am
For the cash spending I keep the receipts in my wallet and enter them into my system every day or two. If I don’t get a receipt I write down the amount and items on another receipt, or whatever scrap of paper I can find at the time. I used to text these things from my phone to my own e-mail address, which works great too. It takes a little discipline, but not much.
June 25th, 2008 at 1:25 am
I’d bet that part of the reason you’re spending more is your healthier lifestyle. Before, burgers might have been a regular thing, but are you now more conscious of what you eat, and so avoiding cheaper (usually lower quality) food as a result?
We’ve been trying to find places with less to offer - a small selection of dishes cooked with fresh, local food. Usually very inexpensive, and these sorts of places have a great atmosphere. We’ve also cut down on going out - happy to spend more for better food, but less often.
June 25th, 2008 at 2:18 am
Pets are certainly worth every penny, and I’ll say that even though I have to spend more on pet insurance than I do on car insurance.
As for preventing cash slipping away untracked I can suggest two ideas:
1) Don’t carry cash (I rarely do), or,
2) Allocate an amount each month for miscellaneous cash expenditure. It is tracked in a way, but it allows you a bit more freedom. How much you have is down to you.
I appreciate those are two opposite extremes to deal with that issue, and they are just ideas.
June 25th, 2008 at 2:54 am
JD-
We’ve been using google spreadsheets to track our expenses. If you make a simple spreadsheet, you can create a webform where each entry into the form goes into each column. For some reason, it’s A TON easier to enter into the webform than directly into the spreadsheet. Open a bookmark, fill in the blanks and you’re done. I highly recommend it. (You can click on my name for a post describing our system)
June 25th, 2008 at 3:06 am
Great post! You’ve inspired me to do a mid-year check in…haven’t done in quite a while.
About tracking cash spending, I haven’t done this in a long while either, but I used to have a “Cash” account set up in Quicken. When I took a cash withdrawal from my checking, I’d note it in Quicken as a transfer to the Cash account. Then as Anne does, I’d make sure I was entering my cash transactions just as I did my other transactions on a regular basis and categorized them appropriately.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:21 am
Even though your eating out expenses increased by $600 from last year’s second half to this year’s first half, your grocery costs only went down about $40. I would prefer to eat out less at better places and cook more at home (learn to cook gourmet and you might eschew restaurants altogether), rather than eat out often at less-than-stellar places.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:57 am
It’s not foolproof but I keep track of cash expenses by not using cash. I used either a credit card or debit card for purchases which I can then track in Mint.
http://www.mint.com/
June 25th, 2008 at 4:03 am
I also try not to carry cash. But, when I do withdraw cash using my ATM, I write on the ATM reciept what the money is for.
Thanks for sharing that report, JD. I got Quicken for a Christmas gift several years ago and tried to use it but it was a bit confusing to me. Now that I have a handle on creating (and sticking to) my own budget in excel and more advanced in my financial literacy, I think I’m ready to give quicken another try. Before, I didn’t understand the purpose for the charts and graphs and categories, etc.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:06 am
Do your food expenses above account for both you and Kris together, or are they strictly your share of the expenses alone?
Aside from dining out, your grocery/food expenses seem quite good, perhaps even a tad skimpy.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:11 am
I think it’s really useful to see how other people categorize their expenses. For example, I wouldn’t have thought of setting up a separate category for “dining out” or breaking out my entertainment expenses by subcategory. I should do the same.
Like a few other people commenting here, your post inspired me to do a mid-year checkup as well. It’s a good thing to do!
As you spend more time working at home, you might become even more tempted to dine out because you’ve been home all day and want a change of scenery. Kris on the other hand, will have been away from home all day working, so she’ll want to stay home. It’s tricky to balance those competing desires; the best solution I’ve found is to take an hour or two to go out during the day so you have some “away” time and you don’t feel like you’re stuck at home 24 hours a day.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:38 am
What I’ve been doing in order to track cash withdrawals in Quicken is to initially enter the transaction like this:
Payee: Cash
Category: Cash
Payment: $40
If I spend $10 at the Farmer’s Market, I will change the transaction to a split with $30 going to Cash and $10 to the Farmer’s Market.
I’ve found that this is easier than dealing with a separate cash account, because then I don’t feel obligated to track every cash expenditure, but if a transaction in cash falls into one of my regular categories, I’ll split up that ATM transaction to properly reflect it.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:53 am
I am amazed at how little you spend on groceries. How do you manage it? My husband and I spend $550-$650 a month at grocery stores, and I can’t figure out how to get that number down. True, we buy mostly organic foods, which is something I’m not willing to cut down on, but that number still seems awfully high. So kudos to you for spending so very little money on groceries!
June 25th, 2008 at 4:54 am
I have a line for Eating Out in my budget, assuming four lunches a month, one dinner, plus some quantity of coffee– I can’t remember how much. It works well as a way to limit my coffee intake; I don’t drink it for the caffeine during the day, I don’t really like the taste, but it’s a nice walk outside my work, it’s a good half-hour break from lab work, it’s a social event, it’s procrastination… and I can have six lattes a month, assuming other eating out stays constant. It’s a stupid brain trick for spending and getting things done.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:55 am
There’s something ‘luxurious’ about going out to eat that lures many people in. I have discovered that the ‘luxurious’ feeling is still there - at a lower price - when hubby and I go out to breakfast! And - if you can swing the time on a weekday - the restaurants are FAR less crowded than on a weekend. The other benefit is that frequently restaurant breakfasts are too large to eat in one sitting, so we get a to-go container and have another breakfast (or lunch) the next day (or share one breakfast if we both want to eat the same thing).
June 25th, 2008 at 5:30 am
JD, I would cut your self some slack. Yes you are spending more on eating out, but it doesn’t look like you are spending very much in your entertainment category. When I categorize dining out I split it between food and entertainment. If I buy lunch at work that is a food expense, if Mr. Sam and I go out for drinks and dinner on Friday night (which we do almost every week) I count that as entertainment. What else do we spend our entertainment dollars on . . . not much - video rentals, movies once in a while.
As for cash, I have the same problem - its hard to track. As a result, I try to not take cash out and instead use my debit card for most transactions.
June 25th, 2008 at 5:32 am
My partner and I also found we were eating out too much. There was a point when we’d get delivery two or three times a week, which sure added up! I’ve found simple meal-planning can save me more than $200/month.
To keep track of the little bits of spending, I try to always get a receipt and keep them in my wallet until I record it. Then they move into a larger envelope which I keep for tax time.
June 25th, 2008 at 5:35 am
I agree with Brad. You need to look at the source of your increased spending. It’s obvious that you need a change of scenery. I’ve been following your blog for a while and know that you are now working from home. Have you given some consideration to making time 2-3 per week, if not ever day, to work outside of the house? Maybe take your laptop to the library for 2 hours. You’d then have a change in scenery that is less expensive than dining out.
June 25th, 2008 at 5:37 am
We have the same problem with eating out. It isn’t so much that we go out to dinner a lot. That is usually limited to Sunday night when we go out as a family to an inexpensive mexican restaurant to give me a night off in the kitchen. Our problem is the “little” things that are escalating out of control. In my case it is the smoothies after the gym 2 - 3 times a week (it used to be one time a week but it has been creeping up). My husband goes through phases where he takes is lunch to work a lot but this is apparently not one of those phases. He has been going out for lunch AND breakfast a lot this month.
Each individual expense isn’t much but they are adding up to a significant amount quite quickly.
June 25th, 2008 at 5:43 am
For cash expenses, I either put the receipt in my wallet and enter them into my computer… OR if it’s a place where I don’t get a receipt, I try to put a sticky note in my wallet where my receipts go.
June 25th, 2008 at 5:47 am
JD-Good post.
I like using the reports on a monthly basis. Treat you personal finances like your business and run a balance sheet, an income statement, and a statement of cash flows. It helps you catch those things quicker.
How do I manager to track my cash better? I enter everything I purchase no matter how small. Make it a daily habit and it’s a piece of cake. Do this even with your cash expenditures and make sure you categorize every penny.
And wow, you aren’t kidding when you mention comic books. Not a knock on your habit, I wish I could do the same thing!
June 25th, 2008 at 5:48 am
How are you getting by on $900 of groceries for 6 months?
June 25th, 2008 at 5:54 am
We used to think pets were inexpensive, until we (well, my parents) got the world’s most expensive free stray kitten.
He was only six weeks old when my dad found him in the yard in really bad shape. He took him to the emergency vet, and they said he had fractured his pelvic bone in three places. My guess is that he tried to jump on the roof and didn’t make it. So $600 later, he was healing, but then caught some kind of flu-like thing, and $200 later, he was better.
He also got another infection last month that meant another trip to the vet. We’ve never had to spend so much on a furball before, but he’s adorable and we love him.
June 25th, 2008 at 5:54 am
We get $100 each every week from the ATM. I stash my cash receipts in an envelope, then at month’s end analyze how I spent it .
I think any time your monthly bill for dining out exceeds your grocery bill, something is wrong.
Make a weekly menu built around the store specials and get a crock pot if you don’t have one. You’ll be amazed how much more money you get to KEEP when you eat out once a month vs. twice a week. (Actually, you WON’T be amazed, J.D., since you have the numbers right in front of you).
Dining out is so much more fun when you only do it ocassionally because then it’s even more of a treat!
June 25th, 2008 at 5:56 am
JD -
For tracking cash, we have found the missing link: Xpenser. You text “exp ATM 40.00 money for parking” to your phone and it tabulates the expenses by category for you online. When you are back on the web, you have a formatted list that can be imported to quicken or just referenced and entered manually. Both my wife and I text expenses in and it works beautifully.
BTW - Am I reading correctly that you only spend around $150/mo on groceries? That’s amazing to me. We do have a family of 4 (2 toddlers) but we struggle to stay at $500/mo!
June 25th, 2008 at 5:56 am
I’m a 23-year-old from Scandinavia who reads your blog quite frequently. Although it’s sometimes focused on US specific things there’s still enough universally applicable stuff to keep me interested. Plus it’s always nice to learn how the system works in other parts of the world.
I have to go off on a tangent and say that your grocery expenses seem VERY cheap to me. $890 for 6 months?! Me and my gf spend about €600/month on grocieries and we don’t eat spectacularly. You’re blessed with cheap food, that’s for sure.
You also seem to have no clothing expenses which is another big part of our budget.
June 25th, 2008 at 5:59 am
I’ve been tracking every cent in and out of my life now for over 3 years and what works great for me is that I have a Treo 650 phone with Pocket Quicken installed on it. Whenever I have a small cash transaction (or any transaction even if it’s not cash) I enter those items into Pocket Quicken and then sync it up to my computer that night into the full Quicken. Larger purchases or ones with a lot of items in it I save the receipt in my wallet and enter those every night in the evening at the same time. After a while you get pretty adept at entering items and categorizing them on the go and it only takes a couple seconds to do. I make sure the balance listed In Quicken matches what I have on hand (including every cent of loose change) every 3 months or so and it is either dead on or off by the cost of a pop out of the vending machine that I forgot to enter. It’s difficult to get into the habit of doing it every time but once you do it’s not hard at all. Plus you can see all your balances when you are out and about by looking at Pocket Quicken on your phone.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:00 am
I’m very surprised there isn’t a larger jump in your grocery spending. In the last few months, I’ve noticed the grocery prices jump dramatically. I live in Minnesota, so it’s possible it’s hitting here harder because virtually all produce is trucked in from warmer climates year round. Yesterday my husband and I purchased what I expected to amount to $50 - 60 of groceries; it came to $81. This was a mere three bags.
A year ago, 2 weeks worth of grocery shopping cost an average of $130, and now it’s up to $180. That’s a significant difference when it comes to a monthly budget.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:04 am
I have the same problem with tracking cash. I don’t think I’ll ever get my wife onboard for this, but I keep trying…
Otherwise, I have a small voice recorder that I keep in my briefcase that I use to keep track of cash items so I don’t forget to add the transactions in Quicken.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:07 am
J.D., is your average per meal for one person or is it the combined cost for both your wife and yourself?
June 25th, 2008 at 6:10 am
You need car insurance!
June 25th, 2008 at 6:33 am
Want to know where your “pocket” cash goes? write it down as soon as you spend the money. Receipts get lost, sometimes you don’t get one- I don’t get one at a bake sale or at the farmer’s market. If you want to see your patterns, write it down. It seems a little obsessive but I did it for a month 12 years ago when we had a family financial downturn. I learned a lot- then forgot it when things got good again. I am doing it again now. I bought a tiny memo book for $.37 and I write down every coffee, soda, bagel, candy bar, lunch- anything that is not on a credit card.
Your groceries are amazingly low- do you have a source of free food?
June 25th, 2008 at 6:40 am
I’ll second April (comment 17): Pets are inexpensive until they get sick. My kitties were inexpensive until one of them hit 11, and was diagnosed with chronic renal failure. It’s not cheap!
What’s worse - I calculated how much I would have spent on pet insurance versus how much i’m spending out of pocket - and it’s still cheaper overall to pay out of pocket rather than have pet insurance.
It’s probably more worthwhile to save the ‘pet insurance’ money in a savings account for pet emergencies.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:47 am
Every day I enter all expenditures into a spreadsheet. That includes all cash expenditures. It’s simple but it works for me. Food is our biggest expense and it’s a problem I wrestle with daily. I feel that we should be able to survive on $x amount of dollars for food but it just hasn’t been doable. We derive a lot of pleasure from dining out as do most people which is why we do it. However the restaurant costs have doubled here where I live in SoCal and I am having to at least curb the habit. Still, we spend way too much on food and it’s annoying!!
June 25th, 2008 at 6:49 am
I wonder if scheduled dining out nights would be useful for you — it won’t work if one of the joys of eating out is the spontaneity of “let’s go out to eat tonight” but it might work if you want to make eating out a regular but not budget-injuring part of your life.
I also agree with Tony @2 that if the rest of your budget allows for it, allocating some cash as miscellaneous “walking around money” is a good idea. Budget line items are things that you want to chart and keep track of and might need expansion or contraction later, but I think that there is also a place (”miscelleaneous”!) for providing yourself some unstructured freedom from constant oversight. It’s the other side of the change thrown into the piggy bank as unconscious saving.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:49 am
I like your last line the best “There’s nothing inherently wrong with purchasing things that bring you joy. But problems come when you finance these purchases with debt. If you’re meeting your other financial goals and have money left over, it’s good to indulge your interests and passions”.
This is motto I based my financial philospophy (and blog) on. Great post.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:53 am
Ah, restaurant food! How I miss it! But, if I let myself go out just once a week, it would quickly turn into two, and so on. I’ve tried it too many times to know. And my favorite restaurants (sushi and sake) run me at minimum $40 per couple per visit. Now, my boyfriend and I save that type of fun for special occasions only. Works for me! : )
June 25th, 2008 at 7:14 am
Also, here are reasons my grocery expenses might seem low:
1. We try to produce some our own produce from our yard (though admittedly, that doesn’t pay much of a role in the first half of the year).
2. Kris is an incredibly skilled sales shopper.
3. Lastly, and most importantly, Kris and I split grocery costs. I’ve mentioned this in the past, but didn’t think to do so here. So, my grocery number only represents about half the actual grocery expense for our household. (And Kris doesn’t track her spending, so I don’t have figures for her.)
Now I’ll go back and respond to individual questions, if there are any.
June 25th, 2008 at 7:16 am
I also am amazed at your grocery receipts. I spend a little more than $200 a week for a family of four. However, we only eat out once a week, and that includes breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks, everything. Still, in six months that adds up to more than $5000, whereas I guess for the two of you together, that adds up to less than $2000. Wow!
June 25th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Yes, this is true. I am certain that some of that untracked $327 in cash has gone to Cha Cha Cha, the cheap taco place nearby. It gets to be noon and I must get out of the house, so I head down for $2.50 tacos.
April wrote: We used to think pets were inexpensive, until we (well, my parents) got the world’s most expensive free stray kitten.
Which simple prompts a HA! from me.
And two other general responses:
1. I do have auto insurance, I just excluded it from the report. It’s a fixed monthly expense.
2. I think that many of you are right when you say I need to find something to do to break up my day. I’ve mentioned before that I’m interested in volunteer work, and that’s one of the things I’ll explore during the rest of the year. I do exercise, but that’s mostly a solitary activity, even if it gives me a few hours outside the house each week. I’ll have to be a little more creative…
June 25th, 2008 at 7:24 am
I am also a free-lancer. I don’t go out to dinner much, but I do go to a Starbucks or Panera and work from there, and buy a cup of tea. It doesn’t cost nothing, but it’s cheaper to pay less than two bucks than it is to go out for a whole meal, and I still get out into the world.
June 25th, 2008 at 7:29 am
“I have $327 in untracked cash expenses over the past three months. I’ve taken money out of the bank, but haven’t noted where the cash is going. I hate that. It needs to stop. Any tips?
Yeah - don’t use cash. I use my credit card for everything (on which I’ve never carried a balance), then I know where everything goes. I only use cash for things like parking lots and other de minimus expenses. If you know that any cash you spend is under $5, it’s a lot easier to not care about it tying out because it’s not worth the hassle.
The other solution is to comb your receipts, but, IMO, the effort/return just isn’t worth it.
June 25th, 2008 at 7:38 am
Agreeing with the observation that working at home necessitates a change of scenery. Lunches out are cheaper than dinners. A date with friends to trade meals is something to look forward to, as well. Some households are part of cooking coops.
I usually use errand running as my out-of-home-office break, usually on foot so it’s also my exercise. So make sure, if you cut back on meals out, that you plan something else in to break the isolation of at-home self-employment.
June 25th, 2008 at 7:39 am
I keep a $20 in my wallet for emergencies; otherwise, it’s debit card only for everything. No cash withdrawals. Since I’ve managed to learn the habit of getting, keeping, and logging receipts each time I use the card, it has just about eliminated the unaccountable cash drain flow.
June 25th, 2008 at 8:08 am
It seems like getting out of the house for a bit could be easily tied to getting fit slowly. Unless the weather prohibits it, you could go for a run, walk, or bike ride in the afternoon to break up the day a bit and get out of the house. If what you miss is being social you could try to find an exercise buddy, or travel to somewhere a friend works and meet up for coffee-but instead of going to a coffee shop sit outside somewhere?
June 25th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Don’t take cash out of the bank unless you have ALREADY recorded the amount and what it is for. Most places take debit cards as it is; just wait until you have an established need before collecting cash.
June 25th, 2008 at 8:13 am
J.D. If you want to cut down on eating out but still go out, check out restuant.com. You can get 25.00 gift certificates for 10.00. After you have ordered from them, you often get e-mails for 25.00 gift certificates for 5.00 and sometimes 3.00. I gave them to my son for his birthday. Now he and his wife don’t go out unless they get a gift certificate there first.
June 25th, 2008 at 8:21 am
I have just got to know what the $12.00 for “food-other” in the last half of last year was for.
June 25th, 2008 at 8:22 am
For the cash issue, I started to have a Quicken category for Cash, but that was sort of ambiguous. I did the same thing mentioned in a post above. Save the receipts. If you take out 40 or 60 dollars at a time, I use the “cash” category at first, basically to hold the place of my withdraw in my Quicken, and then use the “split” function and go back to reallocate where you spent the cash. You may not be able to track it all, but you can probably capture at least 75%.
June 25th, 2008 at 8:22 am
I’ve just started tracking my expenses and the cash tracking problem has come up a bit. I track everything in a spreadsheet but I have added on a catagory for WAM (Walking Around Money). Usually $20 a week to pay for things like snacks, a screw to hang a picture, a $2.50 taco break or something that’s spur of the moment that only costs a few bucks. Some might not like the idea because it flies in the face of “track every expense”. But in a sense, it is tracked, each week I buy $20 of WAM. What the WAM buys each week may vary but as long as I don’t go over the $20 it’s budgeted for.
June 25th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Nice job on Quicken. It was a challenge to set Quicken up the way I wanted it but man has it helped us find some quirky way we spent money.
Going out eat is way too much fun but can add up in a hurry. To compensate we eat home made lunches and we both bike as much as we can for errands.
June 25th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Personally, since I group eating out into entertainment, I put atm transactions into my entertainment category. Since then almost all cash goes to entertainment, only if I know that the cash went to something else do I allocate it accordingly. I do keep a running tab on entertainment cash transactions, but it is more for informational purposes.
June 25th, 2008 at 8:40 am
I think that if DH and I had learned to cook before kids, we would have at least another $20k to our names! We have expensive tastes and made enough money to enjoy them for a few years. The kids cut that out of our budget, so I don’t have a lot of advice for how to do that any other way.
(Talk about PETS being expensive!)
As for dealing with WAH isolation: I second what BPT suggests. I’ve been working at home exclusively for more than 3 years. We intentionally live in a walkable neighborhood with the library, grocery, etc. within 2 miles. I collect errands to run every day (including inventing a few like “putting mail into real mailbox” 5 blocks away) and wear a pedometer so that I can count my exercise.
My work group is 2-4 hours behind me, so I tend to schedule hair appointments, medical appts, voice lessons, volunteer time, etc. during morning “working hours” — I get out to talk to people, I avoid the weekend/weeknight rush, and I get to work more when I’m most productive: very early and later in the day. I also have kid-related stuff (pickups and drop offs) at random times, and that gives me some human interaction, too. Viva la flex-time!
June 25th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Why do you use 2 separate software apps to track personal expenses and business expenses? Couldn’t you track both on Quick Books? I’m considering getting one of these apps and would like to know why you choose to use both. Thanks!
June 25th, 2008 at 9:09 am
I agree with others that you probably are eating out at nicer places as a form of entertainment as well as food. It’s just a guess since I’m no psychologist, but seems reasonable! If you look at it in that light, is it still an unreasonable expense?
Again, there’s frequently tension between a spouse who’s been out all day and wants to “hunker down” and a spouse who’s been at home all day, and needs to get out. You two may need to address that head on. If she doesn’t *want* to go out so much, and you’re OK with the expense, set up lunch/brunch dates with friends, as well as incorporate the other great ideas for getting out.
You’re a smart guy, this’ll be an easy one, now that it’s an “obvious” issue.
BTW, we track food same as you, all as subcategories of groceries: “Store”,”Take/Eat Out”, and an additional one called “Nonfood” because I have had a penchant to buy every gadget known to cooks
June 25th, 2008 at 9:16 am
This is a result of working from home. Since you’re around the house all the time, it’s natural to want to get away for an hour or two, especially when you’re used to being away more. This is something I’ve had to work out over the last 8 years of working from home.
June 25th, 2008 at 9:19 am
JD, do you and your wife keep separate financial records? I’ve been married almost 2 years and haven’t figured out how best to mingle our finances. So far, everything’s been mostly separate.
Have you written a blog on this topic?
June 25th, 2008 at 9:24 am
I ran the numbers on pet insurance once, and for a young pet, it might make sense. As they get older, it was my conclusion that it’s better to try to save that money for future pet bills. I am a firm believer that with pets, as with people, health is largely determined by the quality of the food eaten, as well as by getting regular exercise. I spend a lot on pet food (and now that my pooch is 14 - old for an 80 pound dog- I spend a lot on vet bills, pills, etc as well) but I believe that buying quality food over the years has added longevity to my beloved pooch. She’s lived over two years past her expected life span, and is still up and moving and happy. It costs me at least a couple hundred a month to keep her going, but she’s worth every last penny. Having said that, I think it’s harder these days to be a pet owner than, say, 20 years ago, when there were few treatment options and you weren’t faced with the choice of spending thousands for procedures vs. keeping your pet comfortable but not offering treatment (because there wasn’t any).
June 25th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Yep we just noticed this ourselves too. My DH started a new job 3 months ago and we eat out MUCH more. Yes he got a pay increase BUT he also travels further.
I’m personally waiting on your gardening update. I just started keeping track of my expenses for gardening (new project) and boy does that add up!!!
June 25th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Perhaps the frequent eating out is symptomatic of a much deeper issue. You feel caged. You need to see the outside world and interact with new people daily.
You could get a second job during the day, and leave the writing to the evenings when you are refreshed and truly creative from a day full of rich experiences.
Maybe a box factory?
June 25th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I use an Excel spreadsheet that I’ve titled “What We Use” to track our spending in many areas. This way I capture cash and credit transactions, from all accounts, so I can get a better picture of what we really spend on eating out (because sometimes we spend our cash “allowance”).
It also lets me track averages over time, compare prices (so that I know my flour purchase at Costco went up 78% in cost over the past year), and keep track of utility costs so I can see graphically what my efforts to save are doing for me.
It takes some time to track everything that I track, but to me it’s worthwhile. If you are up for Excel geekery, I would send you a copy.
My other comment is that sometimes when we want to go out to eat, we instead splurge on “luxury” items from the grocery store — a good loaf of bread, a nice piece of dry sausage and some cheese — things that we usually judge too expensive for our grocery bill. But then for the cost of one restaurant entree, we can have a dinner that feels as much as a treat as going out, and often we have leftovers for later. Double treat!
June 25th, 2008 at 9:31 am
As a tie-in to yesterday’s post, I just ran my half-year checkup. I spent a vomit-inducing $1300 on bank fees (primarily due to overdraft, late fees and overlimit fees)!!!
June 25th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Some suggestions
Don’t carry cash. I haven’t for the last 5 years. Who uses cash anymore? I use credit for everything and earn airmiles for everything I purchase. Maybe two or three times in the last couple of years I had to pull out my debit card when someone didn’t take MasterCard.
I’ve never bought DVD’s or CD’s, never bought (or read) a comic book, and can count the number of books I’ve bought in my entire life on two hands, so I’m not sure what to suggest for this one. I do listen to a lot of audio books, but most of those are free on the net. So maybe that’s a good alternative for the books part.
As far as eating out goes, you really just have to commit to set a few nights during the month where you eat out, or alternatively stick to a budget. My wife and I budget $500 a month for groceries/eating out and $100 for alcohol. This means there is typically only $100 leftover from groceries every month for eating out, which is between 2 and 3 times. As for alcohol, either we hit the pub a few times, or buy a lot more cases of beer for at home. Either way $600 is as much as we spend, and going out is just not an option if it means blowing that budget.
The second part to this is every Sunday afternoon we do our weekly food plan, which includes all breakfasts and dinners for the week and then we do our shopping then. We always cook enough leftovers for us to take lunch the next day to work, which means no need to eat out at lunch.
I guess the other aspect is that we are both working at losing weight. If you cook whole foods at home a typical meal is usually under 500 calories. When you go out you’re looking at 1200-3000 calories per meal by the time you have a pop, maybe an appetizer, main course, desert, maybe even a beer or glass of wine. My body only needs 2800 calories a day (BMR). I can burn about 100 calories every ten minutes on my elliptical trainer, but if you eat out a lot, you’d be looking to burn that extra 1000+ calories and I just don’t have 2 hours a day to elliptical!
June 25th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Maybe you should do a post on pet insurance. Pets are very expensive as soon as they get sick. When my cat got sick a couple of years a go, we spent hundreds of dollars on tests that weren’t even conclusive. We could have spent a lot more to do more tests, and we could have spent a small fortune on treatment.
I think a lot of people have to make decisions about medical treatment for their pets based on financial decisions.
I like the suggestion that pet owners should create a savings account to deal with the medical expenses that will inevitably arise.
June 25th, 2008 at 9:43 am
“I’ve taken money out of the bank, but haven’t noted where the cash is going. I hate that. It needs to stop. Any tips?”
JD! Envelope system!
When you get cash out for something, put it in the appropriate envelope. Write the amount you “deposit” in the envelope. Track your spending from that envelope by noting the withdrawals.
We don’t note the withdrawals on our envelopes, but we know a couple that does. It’s helped them control spending at certain stores for their food envelope.
June 25th, 2008 at 9:54 am
I think this is the problem with not sticking to a strict budget. Not bashing you, it’s your life, and you’re much more successful at this blogging thing than I am…
But! What if you just limited yourself to X dollars of eating out each month. You can’t spend any more than that. For example, we limit ourselves to $50 per month. That’s about 2 decent meals (Olive Garden, for example) each month. After that, it either comes out of my personal spending money or her personal spending money… not elsewhere in the budget.
Result? We only spend $50 of our income each month on eating out. It helps avoid the “creep” that shows up when there isn’t a plan in place.
June 25th, 2008 at 9:58 am
My husband is a bartender and we had a big problem of having alot of cash, but never knowing where it went (my husband is not good at keeping receipts). I tried to “train” him to keep records, but unsuccessful. For us it is much easier to deposit all cash and use debit cards for expenses, so we have a better idea of our income and have a record what we spent. However every once in awhile if we want to keep a 10 or put a few dollars in our daughter’s piggy bank we don’t sweat it.
June 25th, 2008 at 9:59 am
ITA with most of the above comments…and, um…maybe spend a little less on comics?
June 25th, 2008 at 10:01 am
The ex-banker in me says try to stay away from withdrawing cash as much as possible. And when you do, use it for certain purposes (i.e. fast food expense–so that when you see $40 withdrawn, you know you spent that on fast food).
And for your books, try to get something like the Kindle (amazon). You pay a couple of hundred to actually get it, but when you track your savings on the electronic books you get, it’s worth it. I’m an avid reader and I’ve saved some $ and some space since I got it.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:08 am
When you’re tempted to eat out, what about eating in instead and going out to a nice coffeeshop or dessert place afterwards? It gets you out and you can linger and relax, but it’s much cheaper, especially if you share a dessert between you.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:11 am
JD - Cha Cha Cha is one of my big eating out weaknesses as well. I forgot to get my lunch out of the fridge this morning so I’ll be going there for lunch today (I work in the Pearl District so Cha is the most reasonable lunch option, but still)
You mentioned wanting to volunteer, I don’t know if you’ve heard of Hands on Portland, but they have a variety of volunteer opportunities and you don’t have to commit to a certain number of hours per month so it’s easy to do what you can when you can. I hope you’ll look into it.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:12 am
I think it’s interesting that so many of you are suggesting to quit using cash.
I’m just the opposite. I’ve relied on my debit card too much. It lets me fall off budget, and it has led to lots of overdraft fees (see above). I have now switched to mostly cash for my daily expenses. If I don’t have cash in my wallet, then I can’t afford it. I get paid weekly, so I pull my weekly “allowance” out of the ATM each week.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:19 am
I agree with Dave above:
XPenser is a fantastic tool for tracking expenses. I use it for tracking business expenses, will work equally well for tracking cash expenses.
The beauty: you can track it AT THE TIME OF SPENDING. E.g. do it as it happens and it is out of your mind and reliable. No going through receipts at the end of day (and god forbid having to deal with Quicken - worst software program I dealt with).
XPenser allows you to track via SMS, Email, IM. It puts this into a spreadsheet. All accessible via modern smartphones. I have a blackberry and use the IM interface, so no additional SMS costs. The added beauty: Now XPEnser (via IM) gives you immediately the total tracked so far. So you have a good sense of the money spent.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:32 am
#62 - 2800 calories a day?? That’s a lot!
June 25th, 2008 at 10:33 am
I’m in the “No Cash for me, thanks” camp. Once it’s cash, it’s already spent in my mind. it’s already out of the bank, and i’m not going to go back to deposit the $2.12 i saved.
If you want to keep track, if you have a PDA/PDA phone, you could get quicken for it, and then enter every entry as you spend it, even the $.50 for soda, or whatever.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:43 am
I don’t use analog money (cash) any more–all my transactions are electronic (credit cards, EFTs). But if I did, I’d try to use one of the digital recording schemes people have suggested above. Cheaper, though: an analog recording system for analog money. Carry a checkbook register to record each cash expenditure.
If your pets haven’t cost you much, it’s because you’ve been lucky and they’re not very old. Last month alone, I spent over $1,000 on my German shepherd’s final illness and euthanasia. Like Kristen’s, she was very elderly; so was her companion, a greyhound that died last September. In 2007, I spent $2,140 on the dogs. The little cutie I recently adopted from the Humane Society has some sort of rhinitis. It’s being treated as kennel cough, which it probably is not (I’ve dealt with kennel cough, and it doesn’t look like this). When the Humane Society’s warranty expires, if the symptom has not disappeared we will start racking up more vet bills to figure out the cause and try to treat it. If it’s something stuck in the animal’s nose, the cost of X-rays and surgery will be very high, indeed.
Friends’ experiences with pet insurance have shown that in many cases — the cases when you most need financial help to deal with breathtaking veterinary expenses — the plans fail to cover costs. Better to put the amount of the pet insurance premiums into an interest-bearing savings account to cover such expenses, starting when the critters are young enough to be relatively free of vet bills.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:45 am
I keep a running tab in a spreadsheet of every single thing I spend money on. It’s like counting calories - the idea of having to write it down makes me not want to spend/eat it.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Thanks for being so open about areas where you want to improve! You’ve really encouraged me to do better. We eat out too much, too.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Carry the cash, and track it. Every time you use plastic, the merchant’s paying fees — fees that he has to recoup by charging everyone more money.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:04 am
I admit I didn’t read all 76 comments above, but I do have a system of tracking my cash spending. Our budget, like many folks, is set up in a spreadsheet. I have one tab for tracking the entire budget, one tab for tracking the way we have “divided” our savings, and one tab purely for tracking credit card expenses (I color code the cell for each expense based on what the charge was for - groceries, medical, pet, clothing, dining out, entertainment, etc. all have separate color codes). Our budget has a line item for my card, my husband’s card, and our joint card, and so we’ve budgeted a certain amount of spending on each card each month and obviously have to track what we’ve spent to make sure we stay on budget. I enter my cash expenditures as though I’d charged an expense on my credit card (because I usually only use cash when I CAN’T use a credit card); that way it’s all accounted for and is not any money outside of my budget.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:07 am
I guess the debate over cash just shows how personal personal-finance is. DH and I only get cash for our “allowances”, and then by definition, it’s not tracked as anything but “Jen’s cash” unless we spend it on something for the household or family.
If I were to give up all cash and only use debit cards, I think I’d spend more — I’m much more careful about cash, because I have what I have and that’s it.
We tend to use the evil credit cards for everything family-related, because we find it easier to track (info gets downloaded), and no overdrafts!
June 25th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Your post is about dining out and you spend over $1,700 a year on comic books, CDs and mp3s?!?!?
I don’t see how this fits with your sentence:
“The results both pleased and shocked me. My frugal habits are holding steady in some areas but are slipping in others — like dining out.”
Crazy.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Couple more cheap and healthy options for food in PDX:
The Indian Cart on 12th and the Max Line near the library. Short bike ride from you and for $10-12.00 my SO and I are able to get a heaping meal of vegan Indian food, a couple Naans, etc. Usually with leftovers. The couple that run it are very nice and I’ve never had issues with the food.
Likewise, Sawadee Thai Cart across from the Culinary Institute up between 9th and 10th. $5.00 gets you a heaping serving of veg friendly food that can feed two.
Bring your own to-go container and eliminate the trash…
Some things are simply necessary expenses for some and not for others. If eating out brings you a lot of enjoyment and time with your SO, then do it and cut expenses elsewhere…like others have said though, maybe you can get that experience and enjoyment cheaper by going to less expensive restaurants or doing other activities out of the house.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Eating out was an out of control expense of mine for years and years. To conquer it - I made it a separate line item, put $100/mn per person in it and when it’s gone, it’s gone. “Eating out” means meals, but also coffees, an ice tea on a hot Saturday while yard saling or a bagel I just have to have once I get to work. I’m surprised how fast $100 goes even when I’m “careful”.
JD: for your work at home thing: I have a friend who works at home in a residential neighborhood. A lot of residents are SAHM, retired, or freelancers. At 10:00am every weekday, they gather together for a “coffee break”. If the weather is nice it’s outside and if not, they take turns at others houses. Going a little nutty by not working outside the home is quite common.
SOme cities even organize these groups and you can “join” (it is informal) regardless of neighborhood.
My father is nuts after retiring and not having a place to go everyday. He’s very frugal, but since he has so much time he allows a coffee from Panera every morning - it is a block from the house and he reads the paper outside. This is a man who said he would never spend more than like 60cents for coffee (and criticizes me for it all the time lol). The struture helps him be productive the rest of the day. (I dont know if you are a coffee drinker…but it helps if you are )
June 25th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Oh - and pets are absolutely worth it!
My last cat was cheap until she was age 17…so I didn’t mind the extra money I spent the last four years of her life (was probably an additional $3000 total those last years).
When I got my latest kitty I immediately opened an ING sub-acct and put a set amount in it every month. Even if I don’t need it for another 15 years - it can just sit and earn interest.
Plus, she needed a home and is darling to have around.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:49 am
For cash spending… I have an account in MoneyDance ‘cash on hand’. When I withdraw money from my checking account, in MoneyDance I note that as a transfer to ‘cash on hand’. I have a change jar for all my change and round up on cash spending in my leger. That way I can still categorize my cash spending as it’s spent. I very rarely spend cash money (I will go withdraw from ATMs if it’s cash only or if the business explicitly prefers it), so it’s only a minor inconvenience.
Spending money on eating out is definitely my biggest controllable expense! I’m still spending more on eating out than groceries, though my boyfriend is very understanding (he has fewer expenses than I do) and usually foots the bill.
Another note: this entry has tons of posts! It’s really striking a chord!
June 25th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Even if that represents only half of your grocery expenses- that’s crazy! We spend a lot more than that on groceries! Kudos!
When we go out to eat (normally about once a week) we find that restaurant portions are bigger than we need to eat in one meal. So we either:
a) split a meal
b) order two meals but take half home in a take way container.
By taking home leftovers we have another meal. I grew up taking home food in doggy bags, but when I got to college I found out that lots of people don’t do this! You can either re-enjoy the same meal or sometimes I’ll use it to make a new one. Fajitas can be made into breakfast hash by adding an egg. Chicken and veggies can be made into a chicken pot pie by adding store bought pie crust and condensed chicken soup. Lots of options!
While it won’t bring down your eating out expenses, it may reduce your grocery expenses (even further!). You’ll also get double the enjoyment of food prepared by someone else!
June 25th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
@ Julie, Post 78…
That sounds good on paper but we all know full well that the merchant will not lower their prices if everyone starts paying cash.
There’s no incentive to lower their prices unless they’re losing business to a cheaper competitor. They will simply pocket that nominal charge instead of paying the fees to CC/Banks.
June 25th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
#72 Sorry, BMR is around 2000, but 2800 total daily calories with moderate activity/exercise.
If you eat out a bunch of meals its still really easy to blow over this. :-/
June 25th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Holy hell, you spent $1700 eating out in six months? That seems like a pretty obvious area to cut spending. I don’t have my spreadsheet in front of me, but I’m pretty sure last month I ate out twice for a grand total of $40. We used to go out for steak every month or two, but since getting a bbq we don’t even do that. Now we only ever go out for sushi, or something cheap if we’re just away from home, probably less than three times a month on average.
June 25th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
JD,
I guess I will be the “gentle” rebuker. What is the goal of owning comic books? Is it just to read them and store them or are they going to be a good investment? The spending of 500+ dollars on a small picture book in order to only revisit it a few times seems a bit steep to me. It seems its your only hobby (which is good) but it probably takes maybe an hour to read a comic book which leaves you wanting more (which is bad).
Also, I never pay for DVDs anymore (DVD swap) and I rarely buy a CD and always buy them used. No joke, my CD/DVD spending is probably $100/year.
Concerning dining out, switch to eating out once for lunch and have one “special” night (Dinner and entertainment) for you and the Mrs. This should reduce your costs by a third.
June 25th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Yipes! You and I are trending in different directions. Before I started working from home, it was common to go blow $100 or more on a nice Italian or Sushi dinner. Now? I hit only the inexpensive places, like Quiznos or Subway.
June 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Thanks for this post! This is making me realize I should track where my $ is going each month. Currently, I budget about $600/month as total spending money. That’s a pool of $ for food, entertainment, clothes, gas, etc etc. I don’t know where the breakdown is, but I know I spend most of it on food.
Now, there’s some concern of…what if I eat well at the beginning of the month but later on see a pair of shoes I’d like to get? I wait until next month. That way, I have delayed gratification and have time to think about this purchase. Usually I forget about the shoes by next month.
I like how some of the commenters have a separate budget for groceries and dining out/entertainment. I should figure this out because I don’t know if I’m spending more on dining out than eating in.
When some comments mention your grocery bills are low, you mention you split the grocery bill with your wife, but do they also take into account how much you spend eating out? But then I can’t compare ‘cuz I don’t even know my own breakdown!
June 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
A suggestion for un-tracked cash expenditures:
I give myself a set cash budget each week and go to the ATM only once. For my purposes (to avoid a tendency to over use a credit card), I buy groceries and “fun stuff” (dining out, toys, movies, etc.) with cash. If I have to buy something small that doesn’t fall in either of those two categories, I just suck it up with my “fun stuff”. It’s not perfect, but it saves me the hassle and frustration with keeping receipts and tracking small cash purchases.
June 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
My system is to keep a separate debit account for non-essentials; I auto-transfer $900/month into this account. This covers eating out, clothing, pedicures, movies, travel, etc. It forces me to pick and choose where and when I want to eat out. Maybe I have my eye on some new shoes…so I don’t eat out, or I go to an inexpensive bistro instead of a fancier place. Right now I’m saving for several trips, so I am not buying any clothing and I’m bringing my lunch to work every day, no exceptions. I like the way this system forces me to police myself. I can spend money on whatever I want — expensive dinners, trips, designer clothing — but I can’t have ALL of those things at once.
June 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
I didn’t realize that you live in Portland also! Well it’s easy to understand why your dining out expenses are higher than you’d like - we have such a plethora of good places to eat, and many are on the cheap side. (have you tried Pizza Roma on Woodstock? To DIE for, and slize of pie, salad, and soda is a mere $6.50) Sorry, didn’t mean to tempt you further.
I’m too lazy to bother with MS Money or Quicken, but I did plug everything into a free acct at Mint. I force myself to check it weekly to keep us on track with food expenses, including eating out. DON’T GET COMPLACENT ABOUT KEEPING YOUR SPENDING HABITS IN CHECK, DUDE!
I have to admit, you have eaten out quite a bit! Perhaps it’s part of that `stir crazy’ issue that you have discussed before? Being a telecommuter, I can understand the feeling. I too struggle with balancing the lone wolf work with social interaction. Friendly brief chats with neighbors and dog park visits help. It’s important to find a balance that fills that need, but not turn to spending money.
But then again, who can resist Gino’s Ceasar Salad and great glass of vino! :o)
June 25th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
This seems representative of a few readers’ concerns, so I’ll just use it as a basis for reply.
1. I am not perfect. I don’t claim to be. I’m simply an average guy trying to make sense of his finances. I’m still struggling, but I’ve made enormous progress.
2. My actual expenditures on the things Adam listed was $1300 in the past year, or just over $100 per month. Still a lot, but much less than Adam suggests.
3. Frugality is all about cutting corners on the things you do not value so that you can spend money on the things you do value. Again — as I said in my last paragraph — if I am debt-free, if I am saving enough, then I have no problem spending money on things that bring me pleasure. That’s what money is for. HOWEVER, I do want to be careful to not get carried away. To me, spending $300 on dining out is carried away. But spending $15 on mp3 downloads? I have no problem with that. $25 or $30 a month on comics? Not a big deal. Even my current level of comic spending is okay, since I know I’m not buying junk.
I’m not trying to rationalize. This is what I believe. If I were still in debt, I’d say my spending on these things was excessive. Right now? I’m content with everything but dining out. (Though I’d still like to cut back the comics a little.)
June 25th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Pets are a cheap entertainment and love source, especially when things are going fine with their health. Especially rats, mice, gerbils and other small mammals. We have two kitchen rats that eat our leftover food tidbits I think the cost for them was $30 to set up and $.50 a month to buy them bedding for their cage. How is that expensive?
June 25th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
JD, once I started working from home, I noticed that my husband and I ate out more. For me, eating out was an opportunity to see people, but less about the act of eating. You might want to make sure you are getting enough time to interact with the outside world…
June 25th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I agree with JD. Just because you are trying to get rich slowly (or get less poor), does not mean you should deprive yourself of the things you enjoy.
I think it means you should try and reduce the amount of money you may spend on those things, and eliminate whatever frivolities you can.
Now that I’ve put myself on a tight budget, it’s interesting to notice how often I think of something I need (potting soil, materials for a silly project around the house, a non-necessary computer accessory, etc.) and then I realize I only have $20 cash left this week for random purchases, and decide I’d rather spend that $20 to take my wife to a movie, or whatever.
Turns out, I actually made out just fine without getting some potting soil. I didn’t need that all-in-one printer-scanner combo. My component pieces worked just fine!!!!
June 25th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Watch out, pets can get very expensive, particularly dogs. Human healthcare isn’t the only healthcare that’s racheted up.
Last year, 2007, my vet bills were $4,000. And just 3 months ago, I had to spend $1,600 in one day on an ailing dog. That $1,600 was not spent on treatment - it was an after hour emergency, resulting in a nighttime animal hospital visit, tests & exam for diagnosis, and finally, euthanasia & cremation.
Pets can be hugely expensive, and a cost that people often underestimate. I now own two senior dogs (down from three), and their meds/supplements run $100 a month, then there’s food and annual check ups. After these two pass, I’ll never own more than one dog at a time again! But it will always be rescued dog.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
I am simply fascinated with the relationship between eating out and groceries - I’ve always suspected that the two are strangely unrelated in my life, too - for a 6 month boost of around 600 more dollars in eating our, your total grocery bill only went down by about 40 bucks for the period. I have been wondering about MY finances and it seems like for me, too, the more I eat out the more I spend, but the grocery bill remains a constant. Strange.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
You’re doing pretty damn good! For the eating out, using the old-fashioned envelope system might work great. You’ll never have to worry about overspending on too many nice meals, so you’ll get to really enjoy each experience out. Or, you could just have months where you get a whole lot of tacos.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
So, in theory, if I only ate at Cha Cha Cha, I could have 220 tacos in 30 days. That’s seven tacos per day. In other words, I could have three tacos for lunch and three tacos for dinner every day, and leave a dollar tip, and I’d still finish $15 ahead of my current monthly spending on restaurants. I’d only have to worry about breakfast. That means I’d reduce my grocery bill significantly.
Summary: If I were to eat every lunch and dinner at Cha Cha Cha, I could save several hundred dollars a month on my current food expenses.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
J.D. I wouldn’t see eating 6 tacos every day as fitting in with your Get Fit Slowly plan!
June 25th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Thanks for sharing your 6 month update. This is one of those things I keep meaning to do. I appreciate seeing the actual numbers.
I loved the idea (post #60) about the occasional grocery luxury item to boost your eating at home “wow” factor.
June 25th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I have to say that I am really impressed at the honesty of your post about your finances. It might be tempting to pretend that you do everything perfectly, since you run a frugality blog. But the fact that you fall short makes you more likeable. I recently went to a gathering where everyone was talking about TV and saying how they only watched PBS, and I thought they were a bunch of boring liars. I would have liked it better if they admitted they watch a little South Park or Blind Date or some such crap as well as Masterpiece Theater, since I’m damned sure they’re doing it! So, I appreciate honest imperfections, since I have my own as well.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
My suggestion for tracking cash: sign up for a free JOTT account at http://www.jott.com. When you spend on something, immediately call JOTT on your cell phone and dictate a description of the expenditure and the amount. JOTT will transcribe your message and (at your option) either email you or post it on a list on your igoogle homepage. Once a week, transfer this info to Quicken.
More elaborate than tracking paper receipts, but lots of fun!
June 26th, 2008 at 3:37 am
Hey, why shouldn’t people “admit” to watching South Park? It’s genius
I agree with Brad, try to balance your desires and hers. You are surely saving some money by working at home… buy her dinner.
I’ve been now working at home for one month myself and I’m saving a lot of money - 66 plus 27 euros per month for transportation and at least 100 for lunches and 20 for coffee specialties (hell, I’m in Italy, coffee break is important - and not as expensive as Starbucks) plus the little extras I couldn’t avoid sometimes. Wow!
June 26th, 2008 at 5:35 am
JD,
First, the local Baja Fresh in DC, that bastion of cheap living, has great baja tacos for 2.25. I think you’re getting a bum deal!
And secondly, should you eat 7 cha cha cha tacos a day, I think you’d have to change 1 letter in your fitness blog. It wouldn’t be getfitslowly anymore!
That aside, I definitely know there’s a relationship between groceries and dining out. WHen our kitchen is full, there is no impetus to eat out. But when its bare, and we’re left with leftover spinach pasta, or eggs, or eating out, that pizza sure is tempting (though we try not too)
June 26th, 2008 at 6:34 am
It may not be the food you’re craving but rather being around people. When you start working from home full time, it can be isolating and this may be a symptom of that issue. So try to find time to be around people (without eating out), and you desire to eat out so much may fade on its own.
June 26th, 2008 at 8:18 am
I believe that you have mentioned this before, but Paperback Swap is a GREAT way to trade books. I have cut my “book expense” drastically by using Paperback Swap. I have quite a few books that I have read and don’t wish to keep so why not get rid or downsize my book stash. Just a suggestion.
June 26th, 2008 at 11:24 am
I can’t believe anyone would spend that much money on eating out! Eat at home creatively and invest the money you save. You’ll be a millionaire in no time at all!
June 26th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Another idea for making money–along the lines of something you mentioned a few months ago, I think:
when you have a specific goal, go through the stuff you currently own and see what you haven’t used lately (DVDs, CDs, books), then sell them on Ebay or Half.com. Then you can “earn” your way to your new goal without putting up any new money.
June 26th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
JD,
I’m with you on the tacos! I usually write a check for everything, if I get cash I spend it on Taco Bell Double Decker Taco Supremes. They are only a 1.59 not a budget buster but if I had a 20.00 bill…
Yesterday while eating my taco (or was that today) I thought they should have an option to come with chicken, could reduce the calorie intake.
Enjoy the blog, I’ve learned a great deal, thanks for sharing.
Sincerely,
Dolores
June 27th, 2008 at 6:00 am
JD,
Been reading your blog for about a year now. This is my first post. It’s great to hear that you’re a Decemberists fan! Hopefully some of your readers will check them out!
June 27th, 2008 at 11:00 am
I’m single and only eat out at cheap places, but I spend more than you on eating out because I eat out almost every day. I spend very little on groceries. My schedule is packed with activities after work (I have lots of hobbies), and I’m too lazy to cook beforehand or wash dishes frequently. I also spend a lot on cable TV and broadband. I spend very little on clothes, music, gas, or travel.
June 27th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
J.D., I have one word for you: picnic. Working from home, it’s only natural that you want to get out of the house more when the workday is done, and you probably don’t want to spend very much time in the kitchen cooking, either.
Picnics don’t have to be elaborate; I tend to go to the fridge and grab a little of everything in there that is ready to eat and not too messy. Here are some items most people have on hand, which make excellent picnic food:
Baguette, pita, tortillas (or just regular bread)
hard-boiled eggs
sliced cold cuts
spreads (peanut butter, hummus, tuna salad)
cheese (string cheese, hard cheese, or soft cheese like Brie to put on your baguette - yum)
fresh fruit
cut-up raw veggies
beverages (iced tea, water, bottle of wine?)
Throw whatever you’ve got in a shopping bag (as long as you aren’t driving for hours, you don’t need a cooler), grab a blanket, head for the nearest park, and relax with your sweetie. Even simple, inexpensive foods like baby carrots and homemade hummus or peanut butter spread on a whole-wheat tortilla seem special when you’re lounging around on the grass in a park.
Voila! It’s cheap, it’s healthy, and you get out of the house with minimal effort in the kitchen!
June 28th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Love the picnic suggestion. Also, another way to make take home cheaper and still very appropriate for the lazy person:
Buy: 1 or 2 tacos per person
bag of prewashed lettuce.
Recipe: Put lettuce in bowl. Crush tacos into lettuce. Instant taco salad! (You can add other crap you have lying around if you want–can of corn, thawed frozen veggies, etc.
June 28th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
There’s this dude with a blog called Get Rich Slowly, and he posted a bunch of links for using Quicken a little over a year ago. One of the links had a great tip on how to use Quicken to track cash. You should check out the Get Rich Slowly blog, its AWESOME!
June 29th, 2008 at 9:11 am
I have $327 in untracked cash expenses over the past three months. I’ve taken money out of the bank, but haven’t noted where the cash is going. I hate that. It needs to stop. Any tips?
J.D.,
I have the same problem. Tracking each individual expenditure is a big hassle, I’ve tried but given up. I realised that almost all of the cash goes to one category (in my case, the cash expenses are mostly buying my lunch at work, vending machine for sodas, etc.) so now I set up cash withdrawls with a Food category and then I just itemize the non-food cash expenses. I use Microsoft Money, and it makes it easy to set a default category for a type of spending, and split an expense into multiple categories. To remind myself of the expense, I stick the receipt in my wallet or use my cell phone voice recorded for non-receipt expenses.
Thanks for all the work you do on this blog.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Wow, look at all these comments!
I hate saving receipts and entering expenses, so I use a super-simple technique for tracking cash purchases — I only use cash for “going out” (restaurants and bars). That way, when I see an ATM transaction on my account, I label it as “out” and I am done.
Sure, it’s not foolproof, but no system is!
July 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
Love the picnic idea! Reminds me: I used to do that at least once a week!
I have a theoretical solution for cash, which may be what you previously advised. ATM withdrawals are entered as a TRANSFER to a PETTY CASH account (set up like bank or cc account).
What I’ve not been as good with is getting the whole family on board saving receipts or at least writing down the total (local farmer’s market doesn’t give receipts and workers look dumbfounded when asked to write the total on a scrap of paper).
If one carried a large wallet or a purse, envelopes of cash designated for various functions would work — that’s what I did on a vacation with a spendthrift partner. Each day had a stack of cash envelopes: food, activities, etc. We alternated being in charge of a day’s expenditures (envelopes).
I suppose you could stick a tiny Post-It to the front of a $20 and make a note on it each time you spend some.
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:58 am
Cash transactions are easy for me. I plan what I want to use with the cash BEFORE I take it out.
Budget tacos/toys/entertainment and then when you withdraw $60 for that week, you can already categorize it as dining, entertainment, whatever.
It makes it a lot easier and then you don’t have to feel guilty about spending the cash because it already comes out of certain budget categories.
My dh and I get a certain amount of “mad” money each week. we don’t track it. it is ours to spend on whatever we want. it is in the budget as spending money. As long as you have personal spending money as a category in your budget, you are free to withdraw that amount and spend it on whatever you want.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
on saving money when you choose to eat out: there’s a website called restaurant [DOT] com . They sell discounted restaurant gift certificates. A $25 gift certificate sells for $10, a $10 for $3. And about once every two months they’ll have a 50% sale they email you about, if you’re on the list to get the code [I'm sure it's posted somewhere on the internet]. Sometimes 60% off sales. That means your $4 buys $25 worth at the restaurant.
Some caveats: Since I have no idea where you live, I have little idea how much this will help you. 99 restaurants were listed in Western Oregon. There are restrictions which vary by restaurant - have to spend a certain amount, have a minimum number of people in your party, can’t use it for alcohol, etc. Read carefully before you buy to make sure it’s still saving you money.
They’re kind of like coupons - It only saves you money if the item or service is something you would have bought without it.
Anyway, just something that might stretch your dining dollars further. It’s helped me discover some great new places on a budget.