My Mid-Year Financial Checkup: I Am Spending Too Much on Food
Published on - June 25th, 2008 (by J.D. Roth) “Want to go out to dinner?” I asked Kris last Monday night.
“No,” she said.
“Want to go out to dinner?” I asked Kris last Tuesday night.
“No,” she said.
I asked her again on Wednesday and Thursday and got the same response. “How come you never want to go out to dinner anymore?” I asked.
She gave me one of Those Looks. “J.D., are you kidding?” she said. “We’ve been going out to dinner a lot since you’ve been working from home.”
I was flabbergasted. “No way,” I said. “We never go out to dinner. Hardly at all.”
When we told this story to our friends Mike and Rhonda over the weekend, Mike pointed out that there was an easy way to determine who was right. “Check your receipts,” he said. “Bank statements don’t lie.”
Because it’s been six months since I examined my spending, I sat down this morning to do just that. I went through Quicken (for my personal expenses) and QuickBooks (for my business expenses), verifying that all accounts were up-to-date. I juggled some money around between accounts. I ran some “what-if” scenarios and updated my spending plan.
When I’d finished, I ran the category summary report. The results both pleased and shocked me. My frugal habits are holding steady in some areas but are slipping in others — like dining out.
Here’s a table of certain key expenditures, broken into half-yearly columns:
![It looks like Kris is right. But is she? [table demonstrating that my spending is doing well, except for dining out]](http://www.getrichslowly.org/images/quickenjune2008.jpg)
As you can see, I’m doing well in some categories, but dining out is not one of them. It seems, in fact, that Kris was right: I’ve spent a lot more in restaurants since I began working from home. Digging a little deeper into Quicken’s reports, I learned that:
- We dined out 40 times during the first half of 2007, for an average of $23.51 per meal.
- We dined out 44 times during the second half of 2007, for an average of $25.26 per meal.
- We’ve dined out 41 times so far this year, for an average of $41.98 per meal.
I know inflation has boosted food prices, but they haven’t gone up that much. It turns out that we’re eating in restaurants just as often as we always have — nearly twice a week — but that our tastes have grown more expensive. Looking through the detailed reports, I can see this is exactly the case. Whereas before we often chose cheap places like Burgerville, Mike’s Drive-In, or Imperial Garden, this year we’ve been eating at Gino’s, Ciao Vito, and Nostrana. The food is better, it’s true, but it also costs much more.
Obviously, this is something I need to work on.
Some other notes about my spending:
- I have $327 in untracked cash expenses over the past three months. I’ve taken money out of the bank, but haven’t noted where the cash is going. I hate that. It needs to stop. Any tips?
- My fuel costs are beginning to fall. The last time I filled my tank was June 5th. Because I’m working at home, and because I’ve been walking and biking when possible, I’m buying less gas. (If gas prices were at last year’s levels, I’d have only spent about $500.)
- My comic book spending is creeping up a little. I need to watch that. During the last half of 2007, I was able to keep myself to about $60/month, which I can live with. I’m spending nearly twice that now.
- I have, however, finally been able to reduce my spending on books. I’ve been intentionally focusing on books I already own but have not read. And I’ve been using the library. This helps. It also helps that I’m staying away from bookstores. For the past year, my spending has been at acceptable levels. (Though it’s not reflected in the table above, I used to spend about $1000 on books every year.)
- My entertainment spending has been pared to the bone. I’ve purchased no DVDs or CDs this year. I’ve spent $80 at iTunes. And the bulk of the rest? Tickets to see The Decemberists, a round of Golf in April, and our recent culinary walking tour of Portland. Not bad.
- Pet spending is holding steady. I read a lot about how expensive pets are, but I don’t agree. They seem pretty inexpensive to me, especially for the pleasure we get from them.
- Important clarification: The grocery number represents only about half of our household spending on that category. Kris and I split that expense.
Overall, I’m pleased with my long-term progress. Though you can’t see it here, my spending on these categories was over $6,000 during the second half of 2004. I’ve managed to cut that by 33% while also eliminating debt and increasing my income. These changes make a huge difference to my monthly cash flow, allowing me to save and invest, and to breathe easily about money. Even when I spend too much on food.
Remember: There’s nothing inherently wrong with purchasing things that bring you joy. But problems come when you finance these purchases with debt. If you’re meeting your other financial goals and have money left over, it’s good to indulge your interests and passions.
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Personally, since I group eating out into entertainment, I put atm transactions into my entertainment category. Since then almost all cash goes to entertainment, only if I know that the cash went to something else do I allocate it accordingly. I do keep a running tab on entertainment cash transactions, but it is more for informational purposes.
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I think that if DH and I had learned to cook before kids, we would have at least another $20k to our names! We have expensive tastes and made enough money to enjoy them for a few years. The kids cut that out of our budget, so I don’t have a lot of advice for how to do that any other way.
(Talk about PETS being expensive!)
As for dealing with WAH isolation: I second what BPT suggests. I’ve been working at home exclusively for more than 3 years. We intentionally live in a walkable neighborhood with the library, grocery, etc. within 2 miles. I collect errands to run every day (including inventing a few like “putting mail into real mailbox” 5 blocks away) and wear a pedometer so that I can count my exercise.
My work group is 2-4 hours behind me, so I tend to schedule hair appointments, medical appts, voice lessons, volunteer time, etc. during morning “working hours” — I get out to talk to people, I avoid the weekend/weeknight rush, and I get to work more when I’m most productive: very early and later in the day. I also have kid-related stuff (pickups and drop offs) at random times, and that gives me some human interaction, too. Viva la flex-time!
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Why do you use 2 separate software apps to track personal expenses and business expenses? Couldn’t you track both on Quick Books? I’m considering getting one of these apps and would like to know why you choose to use both. Thanks!
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I agree with others that you probably are eating out at nicer places as a form of entertainment as well as food. It’s just a guess since I’m no psychologist, but seems reasonable! If you look at it in that light, is it still an unreasonable expense?
Again, there’s frequently tension between a spouse who’s been out all day and wants to “hunker down” and a spouse who’s been at home all day, and needs to get out. You two may need to address that head on. If she doesn’t *want* to go out so much, and you’re OK with the expense, set up lunch/brunch dates with friends, as well as incorporate the other great ideas for getting out.
You’re a smart guy, this’ll be an easy one, now that it’s an “obvious” issue.
BTW, we track food same as you, all as subcategories of groceries: “Store”,”Take/Eat Out”, and an additional one called “Nonfood” because I have had a penchant to buy every gadget known to cooks
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This is a result of working from home. Since you’re around the house all the time, it’s natural to want to get away for an hour or two, especially when you’re used to being away more. This is something I’ve had to work out over the last 8 years of working from home.
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JD, do you and your wife keep separate financial records? I’ve been married almost 2 years and haven’t figured out how best to mingle our finances. So far, everything’s been mostly separate.
Have you written a blog on this topic?
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I ran the numbers on pet insurance once, and for a young pet, it might make sense. As they get older, it was my conclusion that it’s better to try to save that money for future pet bills. I am a firm believer that with pets, as with people, health is largely determined by the quality of the food eaten, as well as by getting regular exercise. I spend a lot on pet food (and now that my pooch is 14 – old for an 80 pound dog- I spend a lot on vet bills, pills, etc as well) but I believe that buying quality food over the years has added longevity to my beloved pooch. She’s lived over two years past her expected life span, and is still up and moving and happy. It costs me at least a couple hundred a month to keep her going, but she’s worth every last penny. Having said that, I think it’s harder these days to be a pet owner than, say, 20 years ago, when there were few treatment options and you weren’t faced with the choice of spending thousands for procedures vs. keeping your pet comfortable but not offering treatment (because there wasn’t any).
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Yep we just noticed this ourselves too. My DH started a new job 3 months ago and we eat out MUCH more. Yes he got a pay increase BUT he also travels further.
I’m personally waiting on your gardening update. I just started keeping track of my expenses for gardening (new project) and boy does that add up!!!
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Perhaps the frequent eating out is symptomatic of a much deeper issue. You feel caged. You need to see the outside world and interact with new people daily.
You could get a second job during the day, and leave the writing to the evenings when you are refreshed and truly creative from a day full of rich experiences.
Maybe a box factory?
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I use an Excel spreadsheet that I’ve titled “What We Use” to track our spending in many areas. This way I capture cash and credit transactions, from all accounts, so I can get a better picture of what we really spend on eating out (because sometimes we spend our cash “allowance”).
It also lets me track averages over time, compare prices (so that I know my flour purchase at Costco went up 78% in cost over the past year), and keep track of utility costs so I can see graphically what my efforts to save are doing for me.
It takes some time to track everything that I track, but to me it’s worthwhile. If you are up for Excel geekery, I would send you a copy.
My other comment is that sometimes when we want to go out to eat, we instead splurge on “luxury” items from the grocery store — a good loaf of bread, a nice piece of dry sausage and some cheese — things that we usually judge too expensive for our grocery bill. But then for the cost of one restaurant entree, we can have a dinner that feels as much as a treat as going out, and often we have leftovers for later. Double treat!
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As a tie-in to yesterday’s post, I just ran my half-year checkup. I spent a vomit-inducing $1300 on bank fees (primarily due to overdraft, late fees and overlimit fees)!!!
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Some suggestions
Don’t carry cash. I haven’t for the last 5 years. Who uses cash anymore? I use credit for everything and earn airmiles for everything I purchase. Maybe two or three times in the last couple of years I had to pull out my debit card when someone didn’t take MasterCard.
I’ve never bought DVD’s or CD’s, never bought (or read) a comic book, and can count the number of books I’ve bought in my entire life on two hands, so I’m not sure what to suggest for this one. I do listen to a lot of audio books, but most of those are free on the net. So maybe that’s a good alternative for the books part.
As far as eating out goes, you really just have to commit to set a few nights during the month where you eat out, or alternatively stick to a budget. My wife and I budget $500 a month for groceries/eating out and $100 for alcohol. This means there is typically only $100 leftover from groceries every month for eating out, which is between 2 and 3 times. As for alcohol, either we hit the pub a few times, or buy a lot more cases of beer for at home. Either way $600 is as much as we spend, and going out is just not an option if it means blowing that budget.
The second part to this is every Sunday afternoon we do our weekly food plan, which includes all breakfasts and dinners for the week and then we do our shopping then. We always cook enough leftovers for us to take lunch the next day to work, which means no need to eat out at lunch.
I guess the other aspect is that we are both working at losing weight. If you cook whole foods at home a typical meal is usually under 500 calories. When you go out you’re looking at 1200-3000 calories per meal by the time you have a pop, maybe an appetizer, main course, desert, maybe even a beer or glass of wine. My body only needs 2800 calories a day (BMR). I can burn about 100 calories every ten minutes on my elliptical trainer, but if you eat out a lot, you’d be looking to burn that extra 1000+ calories and I just don’t have 2 hours a day to elliptical!
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Maybe you should do a post on pet insurance. Pets are very expensive as soon as they get sick. When my cat got sick a couple of years a go, we spent hundreds of dollars on tests that weren’t even conclusive. We could have spent a lot more to do more tests, and we could have spent a small fortune on treatment.
I think a lot of people have to make decisions about medical treatment for their pets based on financial decisions.
I like the suggestion that pet owners should create a savings account to deal with the medical expenses that will inevitably arise.
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“I’ve taken money out of the bank, but haven’t noted where the cash is going. I hate that. It needs to stop. Any tips?”
JD! Envelope system!
When you get cash out for something, put it in the appropriate envelope. Write the amount you “deposit” in the envelope. Track your spending from that envelope by noting the withdrawals.
We don’t note the withdrawals on our envelopes, but we know a couple that does. It’s helped them control spending at certain stores for their food envelope.
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I think this is the problem with not sticking to a strict budget. Not bashing you, it’s your life, and you’re much more successful at this blogging thing than I am…
But! What if you just limited yourself to X dollars of eating out each month. You can’t spend any more than that. For example, we limit ourselves to $50 per month. That’s about 2 decent meals (Olive Garden, for example) each month. After that, it either comes out of my personal spending money or her personal spending money… not elsewhere in the budget.
Result? We only spend $50 of our income each month on eating out. It helps avoid the “creep” that shows up when there isn’t a plan in place.
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My husband is a bartender and we had a big problem of having alot of cash, but never knowing where it went (my husband is not good at keeping receipts). I tried to “train” him to keep records, but unsuccessful. For us it is much easier to deposit all cash and use debit cards for expenses, so we have a better idea of our income and have a record what we spent. However every once in awhile if we want to keep a 10 or put a few dollars in our daughter’s piggy bank we don’t sweat it.
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ITA with most of the above comments…and, um…maybe spend a little less on comics?
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The ex-banker in me says try to stay away from withdrawing cash as much as possible. And when you do, use it for certain purposes (i.e. fast food expense–so that when you see $40 withdrawn, you know you spent that on fast food).
And for your books, try to get something like the Kindle (amazon). You pay a couple of hundred to actually get it, but when you track your savings on the electronic books you get, it’s worth it. I’m an avid reader and I’ve saved some $ and some space since I got it.
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When you’re tempted to eat out, what about eating in instead and going out to a nice coffeeshop or dessert place afterwards? It gets you out and you can linger and relax, but it’s much cheaper, especially if you share a dessert between you.
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JD – Cha Cha Cha is one of my big eating out weaknesses as well. I forgot to get my lunch out of the fridge this morning so I’ll be going there for lunch today (I work in the Pearl District so Cha is the most reasonable lunch option, but still)
You mentioned wanting to volunteer, I don’t know if you’ve heard of Hands on Portland, but they have a variety of volunteer opportunities and you don’t have to commit to a certain number of hours per month so it’s easy to do what you can when you can. I hope you’ll look into it.
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I think it’s interesting that so many of you are suggesting to quit using cash.
I’m just the opposite. I’ve relied on my debit card too much. It lets me fall off budget, and it has led to lots of overdraft fees (see above). I have now switched to mostly cash for my daily expenses. If I don’t have cash in my wallet, then I can’t afford it. I get paid weekly, so I pull my weekly “allowance” out of the ATM each week.
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I agree with Dave above:
XPenser is a fantastic tool for tracking expenses. I use it for tracking business expenses, will work equally well for tracking cash expenses.
The beauty: you can track it AT THE TIME OF SPENDING. E.g. do it as it happens and it is out of your mind and reliable. No going through receipts at the end of day (and god forbid having to deal with Quicken – worst software program I dealt with).
XPenser allows you to track via SMS, Email, IM. It puts this into a spreadsheet. All accessible via modern smartphones. I have a blackberry and use the IM interface, so no additional SMS costs. The added beauty: Now XPEnser (via IM) gives you immediately the total tracked so far. So you have a good sense of the money spent.
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#62 – 2800 calories a day?? That’s a lot!
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I’m in the “No Cash for me, thanks” camp. Once it’s cash, it’s already spent in my mind. it’s already out of the bank, and i’m not going to go back to deposit the $2.12 i saved.
If you want to keep track, if you have a PDA/PDA phone, you could get quicken for it, and then enter every entry as you spend it, even the $.50 for soda, or whatever.
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I don’t use analog money (cash) any more–all my transactions are electronic (credit cards, EFTs). But if I did, I’d try to use one of the digital recording schemes people have suggested above. Cheaper, though: an analog recording system for analog money. Carry a checkbook register to record each cash expenditure.
If your pets haven’t cost you much, it’s because you’ve been lucky and they’re not very old. Last month alone, I spent over $1,000 on my German shepherd’s final illness and euthanasia. Like Kristen’s, she was very elderly; so was her companion, a greyhound that died last September. In 2007, I spent $2,140 on the dogs. The little cutie I recently adopted from the Humane Society has some sort of rhinitis. It’s being treated as kennel cough, which it probably is not (I’ve dealt with kennel cough, and it doesn’t look like this). When the Humane Society’s warranty expires, if the symptom has not disappeared we will start racking up more vet bills to figure out the cause and try to treat it. If it’s something stuck in the animal’s nose, the cost of X-rays and surgery will be very high, indeed.
Friends’ experiences with pet insurance have shown that in many cases — the cases when you most need financial help to deal with breathtaking veterinary expenses — the plans fail to cover costs. Better to put the amount of the pet insurance premiums into an interest-bearing savings account to cover such expenses, starting when the critters are young enough to be relatively free of vet bills.
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I keep a running tab in a spreadsheet of every single thing I spend money on. It’s like counting calories – the idea of having to write it down makes me not want to spend/eat it.
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Thanks for being so open about areas where you want to improve! You’ve really encouraged me to do better. We eat out too much, too.
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Carry the cash, and track it. Every time you use plastic, the merchant’s paying fees — fees that he has to recoup by charging everyone more money.
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I admit I didn’t read all 76 comments above, but I do have a system of tracking my cash spending. Our budget, like many folks, is set up in a spreadsheet. I have one tab for tracking the entire budget, one tab for tracking the way we have “divided” our savings, and one tab purely for tracking credit card expenses (I color code the cell for each expense based on what the charge was for – groceries, medical, pet, clothing, dining out, entertainment, etc. all have separate color codes). Our budget has a line item for my card, my husband’s card, and our joint card, and so we’ve budgeted a certain amount of spending on each card each month and obviously have to track what we’ve spent to make sure we stay on budget. I enter my cash expenditures as though I’d charged an expense on my credit card (because I usually only use cash when I CAN’T use a credit card); that way it’s all accounted for and is not any money outside of my budget.
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I guess the debate over cash just shows how personal personal-finance is. DH and I only get cash for our “allowances”, and then by definition, it’s not tracked as anything but “Jen’s cash” unless we spend it on something for the household or family.
If I were to give up all cash and only use debit cards, I think I’d spend more — I’m much more careful about cash, because I have what I have and that’s it.
We tend to use the evil credit cards for everything family-related, because we find it easier to track (info gets downloaded), and no overdrafts!
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Your post is about dining out and you spend over $1,700 a year on comic books, CDs and mp3s?!?!?
I don’t see how this fits with your sentence:
“The results both pleased and shocked me. My frugal habits are holding steady in some areas but are slipping in others — like dining out.”
Crazy.
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Couple more cheap and healthy options for food in PDX:
The Indian Cart on 12th and the Max Line near the library. Short bike ride from you and for $10-12.00 my SO and I are able to get a heaping meal of vegan Indian food, a couple Naans, etc. Usually with leftovers. The couple that run it are very nice and I’ve never had issues with the food.
Likewise, Sawadee Thai Cart across from the Culinary Institute up between 9th and 10th. $5.00 gets you a heaping serving of veg friendly food that can feed two.
Bring your own to-go container and eliminate the trash…
Some things are simply necessary expenses for some and not for others. If eating out brings you a lot of enjoyment and time with your SO, then do it and cut expenses elsewhere…like others have said though, maybe you can get that experience and enjoyment cheaper by going to less expensive restaurants or doing other activities out of the house.
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Eating out was an out of control expense of mine for years and years. To conquer it – I made it a separate line item, put $100/mn per person in it and when it’s gone, it’s gone. “Eating out” means meals, but also coffees, an ice tea on a hot Saturday while yard saling or a bagel I just have to have once I get to work. I’m surprised how fast $100 goes even when I’m “careful”.
JD: for your work at home thing: I have a friend who works at home in a residential neighborhood. A lot of residents are SAHM, retired, or freelancers. At 10:00am every weekday, they gather together for a “coffee break”. If the weather is nice it’s outside and if not, they take turns at others houses. Going a little nutty by not working outside the home is quite common.
SOme cities even organize these groups and you can “join” (it is informal) regardless of neighborhood.
My father is nuts after retiring and not having a place to go everyday. He’s very frugal, but since he has so much time he allows a coffee from Panera every morning – it is a block from the house and he reads the paper outside. This is a man who said he would never spend more than like 60cents for coffee (and criticizes me for it all the time lol). The struture helps him be productive the rest of the day. (I dont know if you are a coffee drinker…but it helps if you are )
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Oh – and pets are absolutely worth it!
My last cat was cheap until she was age 17…so I didn’t mind the extra money I spent the last four years of her life (was probably an additional $3000 total those last years).
When I got my latest kitty I immediately opened an ING sub-acct and put a set amount in it every month. Even if I don’t need it for another 15 years – it can just sit and earn interest.
Plus, she needed a home and is darling to have around.
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For cash spending… I have an account in MoneyDance ‘cash on hand’. When I withdraw money from my checking account, in MoneyDance I note that as a transfer to ‘cash on hand’. I have a change jar for all my change and round up on cash spending in my leger. That way I can still categorize my cash spending as it’s spent. I very rarely spend cash money (I will go withdraw from ATMs if it’s cash only or if the business explicitly prefers it), so it’s only a minor inconvenience.
Spending money on eating out is definitely my biggest controllable expense! I’m still spending more on eating out than groceries, though my boyfriend is very understanding (he has fewer expenses than I do) and usually foots the bill.
Another note: this entry has tons of posts! It’s really striking a chord!
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Even if that represents only half of your grocery expenses- that’s crazy! We spend a lot more than that on groceries! Kudos!
When we go out to eat (normally about once a week) we find that restaurant portions are bigger than we need to eat in one meal. So we either:
a) split a meal
b) order two meals but take half home in a take way container.
By taking home leftovers we have another meal. I grew up taking home food in doggy bags, but when I got to college I found out that lots of people don’t do this! You can either re-enjoy the same meal or sometimes I’ll use it to make a new one. Fajitas can be made into breakfast hash by adding an egg. Chicken and veggies can be made into a chicken pot pie by adding store bought pie crust and condensed chicken soup. Lots of options!
While it won’t bring down your eating out expenses, it may reduce your grocery expenses (even further!). You’ll also get double the enjoyment of food prepared by someone else!
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@ Julie, Post 78…
That sounds good on paper but we all know full well that the merchant will not lower their prices if everyone starts paying cash.
There’s no incentive to lower their prices unless they’re losing business to a cheaper competitor. They will simply pocket that nominal charge instead of paying the fees to CC/Banks.
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#72 Sorry, BMR is around 2000, but 2800 total daily calories with moderate activity/exercise.
If you eat out a bunch of meals its still really easy to blow over this. :-/
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Holy hell, you spent $1700 eating out in six months? That seems like a pretty obvious area to cut spending. I don’t have my spreadsheet in front of me, but I’m pretty sure last month I ate out twice for a grand total of $40. We used to go out for steak every month or two, but since getting a bbq we don’t even do that. Now we only ever go out for sushi, or something cheap if we’re just away from home, probably less than three times a month on average.
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JD,
I guess I will be the “gentle” rebuker. What is the goal of owning comic books? Is it just to read them and store them or are they going to be a good investment? The spending of 500+ dollars on a small picture book in order to only revisit it a few times seems a bit steep to me. It seems its your only hobby (which is good) but it probably takes maybe an hour to read a comic book which leaves you wanting more (which is bad).
Also, I never pay for DVDs anymore (DVD swap) and I rarely buy a CD and always buy them used. No joke, my CD/DVD spending is probably $100/year.
Concerning dining out, switch to eating out once for lunch and have one “special” night (Dinner and entertainment) for you and the Mrs. This should reduce your costs by a third.
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Yipes! You and I are trending in different directions. Before I started working from home, it was common to go blow $100 or more on a nice Italian or Sushi dinner. Now? I hit only the inexpensive places, like Quiznos or Subway.
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Thanks for this post! This is making me realize I should track where my $ is going each month. Currently, I budget about $600/month as total spending money. That’s a pool of $ for food, entertainment, clothes, gas, etc etc. I don’t know where the breakdown is, but I know I spend most of it on food.
Now, there’s some concern of…what if I eat well at the beginning of the month but later on see a pair of shoes I’d like to get? I wait until next month. That way, I have delayed gratification and have time to think about this purchase. Usually I forget about the shoes by next month.
I like how some of the commenters have a separate budget for groceries and dining out/entertainment. I should figure this out because I don’t know if I’m spending more on dining out than eating in.
When some comments mention your grocery bills are low, you mention you split the grocery bill with your wife, but do they also take into account how much you spend eating out? But then I can’t compare ‘cuz I don’t even know my own breakdown!
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A suggestion for un-tracked cash expenditures:
I give myself a set cash budget each week and go to the ATM only once. For my purposes (to avoid a tendency to over use a credit card), I buy groceries and “fun stuff” (dining out, toys, movies, etc.) with cash. If I have to buy something small that doesn’t fall in either of those two categories, I just suck it up with my “fun stuff”. It’s not perfect, but it saves me the hassle and frustration with keeping receipts and tracking small cash purchases.
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My system is to keep a separate debit account for non-essentials; I auto-transfer $900/month into this account. This covers eating out, clothing, pedicures, movies, travel, etc. It forces me to pick and choose where and when I want to eat out. Maybe I have my eye on some new shoes…so I don’t eat out, or I go to an inexpensive bistro instead of a fancier place. Right now I’m saving for several trips, so I am not buying any clothing and I’m bringing my lunch to work every day, no exceptions. I like the way this system forces me to police myself. I can spend money on whatever I want — expensive dinners, trips, designer clothing — but I can’t have ALL of those things at once.
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I didn’t realize that you live in Portland also! Well it’s easy to understand why your dining out expenses are higher than you’d like – we have such a plethora of good places to eat, and many are on the cheap side. (have you tried Pizza Roma on Woodstock? To DIE for, and slize of pie, salad, and soda is a mere $6.50) Sorry, didn’t mean to tempt you further.
I’m too lazy to bother with MS Money or Quicken, but I did plug everything into a free acct at Mint. I force myself to check it weekly to keep us on track with food expenses, including eating out. DON’T GET COMPLACENT ABOUT KEEPING YOUR SPENDING HABITS IN CHECK, DUDE!
I have to admit, you have eaten out quite a bit! Perhaps it’s part of that `stir crazy’ issue that you have discussed before? Being a telecommuter, I can understand the feeling. I too struggle with balancing the lone wolf work with social interaction. Friendly brief chats with neighbors and dog park visits help. It’s important to find a balance that fills that need, but not turn to spending money.
But then again, who can resist Gino’s Ceasar Salad and great glass of vino!
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Adam wrote: Your post is about dining out and you spend over $1,700 a year on comic books, CDs and mp3s?!?!? I don’t see how this fits with your sentence: “The results both pleased and shocked me. My frugal habits are holding steady in some areas but are slipping in others — like dining out.” Crazy.
This seems representative of a few readers’ concerns, so I’ll just use it as a basis for reply.
1. I am not perfect. I don’t claim to be. I’m simply an average guy trying to make sense of his finances. I’m still struggling, but I’ve made enormous progress.
2. My actual expenditures on the things Adam listed was $1300 in the past year, or just over $100 per month. Still a lot, but much less than Adam suggests.
3. Frugality is all about cutting corners on the things you do not value so that you can spend money on the things you do value. Again — as I said in my last paragraph — if I am debt-free, if I am saving enough, then I have no problem spending money on things that bring me pleasure. That’s what money is for. HOWEVER, I do want to be careful to not get carried away. To me, spending $300 on dining out is carried away. But spending $15 on mp3 downloads? I have no problem with that. $25 or $30 a month on comics? Not a big deal. Even my current level of comic spending is okay, since I know I’m not buying junk.
I’m not trying to rationalize. This is what I believe. If I were still in debt, I’d say my spending on these things was excessive. Right now? I’m content with everything but dining out. (Though I’d still like to cut back the comics a little.)
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Pets are a cheap entertainment and love source, especially when things are going fine with their health. Especially rats, mice, gerbils and other small mammals. We have two kitchen rats that eat our leftover food tidbits I think the cost for them was $30 to set up and $.50 a month to buy them bedding for their cage. How is that expensive?
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JD, once I started working from home, I noticed that my husband and I ate out more. For me, eating out was an opportunity to see people, but less about the act of eating. You might want to make sure you are getting enough time to interact with the outside world…
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I agree with JD. Just because you are trying to get rich slowly (or get less poor), does not mean you should deprive yourself of the things you enjoy.
I think it means you should try and reduce the amount of money you may spend on those things, and eliminate whatever frivolities you can.
Now that I’ve put myself on a tight budget, it’s interesting to notice how often I think of something I need (potting soil, materials for a silly project around the house, a non-necessary computer accessory, etc.) and then I realize I only have $20 cash left this week for random purchases, and decide I’d rather spend that $20 to take my wife to a movie, or whatever.
Turns out, I actually made out just fine without getting some potting soil. I didn’t need that all-in-one printer-scanner combo. My component pieces worked just fine!!!!
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Watch out, pets can get very expensive, particularly dogs. Human healthcare isn’t the only healthcare that’s racheted up.
Last year, 2007, my vet bills were $4,000. And just 3 months ago, I had to spend $1,600 in one day on an ailing dog. That $1,600 was not spent on treatment – it was an after hour emergency, resulting in a nighttime animal hospital visit, tests & exam for diagnosis, and finally, euthanasia & cremation.
Pets can be hugely expensive, and a cost that people often underestimate. I now own two senior dogs (down from three), and their meds/supplements run $100 a month, then there’s food and annual check ups. After these two pass, I’ll never own more than one dog at a time again! But it will always be rescued dog.
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