The Nonconformists’ Guide to Personal Finance
Thursday, 26th June 2008 (by J.D.)This article is about Choices, Self-Improvement, Travel
This is a guest post from Chris Guillebeau at The Art of Non-Conformity. It’s long. It’s good. If you can’t read it all now, bookmark it and come back later. It’s worth it. Earlier this week, Chris released a short (and free) e-book called A Brief Guide to World Domination. It’s all about rejecting mediocrity and pursuing a higher purpose. I recommend it highly.
My short life as a daytrader
In my second year of college, I decided to take out $10,000 in student loans and become a daytrader. I could earn far more than the low 4% rate the loans came with, and I planned to finance my education with the winnings.
Sounds like a great idea, right?
There I was, hanging out in the school library, taking up two or three monitors with stock tickers running across the screen and Excel spreadsheets tracking my trades. A copy of Barron’s would be spread out beside me, and the Wall Street Journal wasn’t far away.
So how did it go? Well, there were a couple of problems.
- Real-time trading was hard to do in 1997. Back then, the internet was up and running well, and Datek Online had just launched, but real-time trading was still restricted to people with a lot faster connections than my school library had.
- Apparently, the school library was not designed for my exclusive use. For some reason, the library staff grew weary of my hanging out in the library all day, taking up three computers. I tried to play it cool when they asked me about it — “Oh, is there a problem?”— but in the end I was put on library restriction: I could use only one computer at a time, and if others were waiting to do academic work, the stock trading would have to stop. Not wanting to pay for a better computer and connection at home, I finally gave it up.
Fast-forward ten years, and I haven’t done any stock trading since then, but I’ve managed to choose unusual paths most of that time:
- I lived in West Africa for four years, working as a volunteer for a charity without taking any salary.
- I’ve worked as an entrepreneur for most of my adult life — ten years and counting without the dreaded “real job”.
- After spending so much time overseas, I’ve found that I really enjoy traveling to places most North Americans never go to, so I recently set a goal of traveling to every country in the world before my 35th birthday in 2013
Each of these experiences has taught me a lot about personal finance, and in a few important ways, my belief in unconventional living has carried over to how I handle money. I’ve made a lot of mistakes along the way, but I’ve also done a few things right.
With that in mind, I’ve written a two-part summary to explain more about how I handle my finances. While I don’t expect that anyone will adopt my own system in full, I do hope that this summary may help others who see the world similar to the way that I do. My thanks to J.D. for providing a forum for this summary here at Get Rich Slowly.
Back to basics
First of all, I’d like to think that most of what the GRS site advocates — and what GRS readers consistently practice —
represents a great start to a nonconformist approach to personal finance. Sadly, the majority of North Americans are woefully under-informed about financial matters and do not set savings goals.
Simply by planning and taking deliberate action with your finances, you are already in a league of your own.
Further, as different as I may be, I am an advocate of most of the basic financial advice presented here on GRS and in other like-minded publications. Some financial advice is fairly generic, but there really are some good principles that are true for everyone.
For example, I believe in:
- emergency savings funds
- paying off credit card balances every month
- being aware of all your expenses
- using a cash method for discretionary spending
- long-term index fund investing
I think of these things as The Basics. Simply following The Basics will put most of us far above the curve.
Also, I am generally skeptical about retirement as it’s commonly defined (more on that later), but I am even more skeptical about Social Security. If you’re under 50 years old, I don’t recommend you count on Social Security for anything. Consider those payments you make each month as a parent or grandparent tax.
Where I diverge from the conventional wisdom is over the issues of debt, focused spending, home ownership, traditional employment, retirement, and charitable giving.
Here are a few of my principles — and please, feel free to take them or leave them for yourself as you see fit. I don’t make judgments about the choices of others; I only think it’s reasonable that each of us should carefully consider our own motivations and priorities. As J.D. says, “Do what works for you.”
#1 — There is no such thing as “good debt.”
Finance books and magazines often talk about “good debt,” in the sense that a long-term mortgage is considered a good thing to have. Depending on your perspective, a car loan or education loans may also be “good.”
Well, this is probably the only thing in the world I am conservative and old-fashioned about, but I happen to believe that all debt is something to worry about. While watching many friends accumulate huge levels of debt buying cars and houses, I have lived my entire adult life debt-free.
This has occasionally meant going without something or not buying an expensive car (I don’t own any car at all now), but the real secret is that choosing to live debt-free is no sacrifice at all. Even though I work as an entrepreneur and have never had a stable income, I also don’t have to worry about falling behind on mortgage payments or watching credit card finance charges rise every month.
#2 — Student loans? No thanks!
Aside from the short experience of daytrading with my undergraduate loan money (I actually came out a little ahead, but I wouldn’t recommend trying that), I’ve financed the rest of my education without debt as well.
Two years ago I came to Seattle and began an expensive graduate program, and since that time I have met a lot of students who have gone into debt to finance their undergraduate and graduate education. It’s fair to say that some of them are happy with this choice, and there are certain professions (such as medicine) where it is very difficult to get an education without taking on serious debt.
However, it is also fair to say that I know a lot of people who have truly regretted taking on so much debt to go to school, especially if they enrolled in a program that does not lead to a high-paying job after graduation.
I’m simply not comfortable borrowing large sums of money. I was able to pay for my University of Washington Master’s Degree on my own. But now that I’m writing during the day instead of building businesses, I really can’t afford to continue paying for my education. Earlier this year I was accepted to a competitive Ph.D. program on the east coast, but the offer didn’t come with financial support, so I had to make a tough decision.
I could have started the program by taking loans or using long-term savings, hoping that more financial support would come along later. To be honest, I briefly considered taking the loans. But in the end I made the right choice, at least for me: I’m not going. I don’t value it that much.
#3 — A house is a liability, not an asset
I am currently living in one of the most expensive housing markets in North America (Seattle, Washington), and I have no interest in buying a home here. I am quite happy that my landlords are responsible for maintenance, and that I pay no homeowners’ dues or property taxes. (Yes, I realize that some of those costs are factored in the price of rent, but I think we still come out ahead.)
In the long-term, you do have to live somewhere, and if you’re staying put for the next 30 years and want a home of your own, ownership can make sense. But for many of the rest of us, renting is becoming less of a stigma now that people have begun to realize that taking out huge mortgages isn’t usually a good idea.
Invest in yourself
My wife Jolie and I made a decision several years ago that guides most of our spending choices. We try not to spend money on “stuff” — physical items that all of us end up accumulating over time — and instead focus our spending on life experiences that we value.
Jolie is an artist, so we invest a lot in her art education and supplies. For me, world travel is my highest personal expense category. On a train ride from Hungary to the Czech Republic a few years back, I worked out the cost of visiting 100 countries. I had already been to a lot of countries, and I figured that to get to the remaining 60 or so and stay for a few days in each would cost roughly $30,000, or the cost of a large SUV.
I prefer to use public transport and don’t own a car in Seattle, so I thought, wow, that’s cheap. I could have a large vehicle and complain to everyone about the cost of fuel, or I could have the world. For me, it was an easy choice.
Some people would say that world travel is a frivolous luxury, and not something that should be such a prominent item in a graduate student’s budget. I’ll try to consider that point the next time I’m flying off to Hong Kong or Johannesburg.
Because travel is so important to me, my working budget includes funds for at least one Round-the-World trip each year. I realize that I don’t need this trip in the same way that I need to buy groceries, but I do need it in the sense that it is one of my highest priorities, and I would rather eliminate other expenses before cutting into it.
A lot of GRS readers may not be as interested in travel as I am, but that’s OK — it’s more important to find your own “life experience” priorities. What do you get excited about? What are you truly passionate about? I believe these items should be your spending priorities, right after groceries, savings, and investing in others — the next area in this short guide to unconventional personal finance.
Invest in others
For many affluent people, charitable giving is an afterthought. It’s something we do once in a while to feel better, or at the end of the year for a tax write-off.
I have a problem with that mindset. Done well, charitable giving is essentially an investment in those less fortunate than us. I don’t view investing in others as a luxury or an afterthought; I consider it as essential as taking care of our own savings.
Money doesn’t solve all the problems of the world, and it’s important to give to the right causes. For example, because far more people give to short-term relief than to long-term development, the money spent on disaster relief is often highly inefficient and poorly used.
But when you create a strategy for your investment in others, you can have a positive impact on far more people, and the quality of that impact will be greatly optimized.
If you’re not sure where to start and are looking for good causes to increase your own giving, consider the following organizations. I personally know the people who run each of these groups and give them my highest recommendations:
Kiva.org — This great organization has the objective of democratizing microlending by matching small donors (like you and me) with promising entrepreneurs in the developing world who need small loans to improve their businesses.- CharityIs — My friend Scott Harrison started this project to bypass government foreign aid (most of which does not go to the poorest people in poor countries) and directly provide access to clean water and sanitation throughout Africa and Asia.
- Care — One of the larger, more traditional charities, Care has managed to keep administrative expenses down even as they have expanded to projects in 71 countries
What I’m Doing
Right now I’m beginning a writing career while my wife works as an artist, so we have definitely had to cut back on both giving and savings, but I still try to pay attention to the overall percentages. I also believe that if you don’t “miss” the money you give — if there is no real sense of sacrifice — you’re not really being challenged by the giving.
Therefore, I have a stated goal of investing at least 15% of our income every year in charitable giving. I feel a little strange about writing that here for 50,000 people to read, because this is something that is very personal, and I have previously shared the number with only a few people.
To those who say that it’s hard to give to others when you don’t have much money yourself, part of me wants to sympathize, but another part remembers that we chose to adopt this principle when we were living on about $12,000 a year. In the end, all I can say is that every year we have given more money away, and we have rarely lacked for anything.
To be continued…
By getting the basics under control, rejecting conventional beliefs about debt, choosing to spend freely on life experiences instead of “stuff,” and creating a giving plan to invest in others, I’ve built a personal finance system that is aligned with my values.
There are just a few important parts left, including where the income comes from. I’ll discuss that in the next update, which will be published at Get Rich Slowly next week. In that article, I’ll discuss alternative forms of work, the financial independence goal, and a few mistakes I’ve made on my nonconformist finance journey.
Thanks for reading this far! I welcome feedback, questions, or disagreements in the comments below.
Chris Guillebeau is a social entrepreneur who writes at The Art of Nonconformity. Over the next five years he will be traveling to every country in the world. You can read more about Chris’s philosophy in his brief guide to world domination.


This is a great post. I really appreciate Chris’ “noncomformist” views on debt. And while I am not quite as conservative (I do have a mortgage), I think it’s great to see that general philosophy advertised. Even though I think that a mortgage makes sense for me, I still view debt, including my mortgage, in the same way.
A note for those considering graduate school: If it is a professional degree (Medicine, Law, Business, etc) you’re after, it can be expensive and require loans. Academic degrees (History, Literature, Mathematics, etc), especially PhDs, often provide tuition wavers and a promise of stipend support via research assistantship, teaching assistantship, or fellowship/grant. These degrees are easily manageable without loans, as long as you enter without debt and are willing to pull your belt in a notch or two temporarily.
I’ve been supporting a family of 6 on my graduate student stipend for 6 years (well, when I started grad school it was a family of 2), without student loans or credit card debt, and my experience is not unique. Many PhD programs are like this, but I think it is somewhat less common in Master’s degree programs.
There are some very good points made in this piece, some which I agree with and a couple I don’t. I absolutely believe in emergency funds 100%, writing my own piece on the subject earlier this month. I also agree that the only way to use credit cards properly is to pay them off in full each month, and if you can’t then you need to re-examine your spending/saving habits.
I must disagree on 2 points, however. I think that you can live a cash-free life, and use credit for discretionary spending but it takes discipline and incorporates another of Chris’ basic beliefs: being aware of ALL expenses. Whether it be via personal financial software, a simple spreadsheet or even a more basic notebook it is important to know where the money both comes from and goes each month. That way you can spot trends as time goes on and be continually adjusting your budgets.
I also disagree (to an extent) about a house being a liability. While it is mortgaged, yes it is a liability. However, once you own it free and clear, I do view it as an asset since it has real value and can be sold for cash, used for collateral, or take some equity out of it. At the same time I am not the type to claim that home ownership is for everyone, and I agree that in certain markets, considering personal situations, taxes, and utilities it very may well be better to rent.
Chris,
I remember my grandfather extolling to me the virtues of spending money on experiences, rather than stuff. Sure, the Mini Cooper (zing~!) is nice, but I’d rather talk about how I went to every single pro football stadium in the US with my buddies before we all had kids. That’s a memomry that not only sustains you, but one that sustains friendships. I think you’ve got a great point.
Further, like yourself, I’ve financed my post-HS graduation. I recently had to decide whether to pay for the rest of my doctoral program or let the US government pay for it and become a quasi-indentured servant for a few years. Since I could afford my program with only a little budget pain, I didn’t take up the offer of free money. Monetarily, that was the non-optimal choice, but personal finance deals with both the personal and the finance, and its much mroe optimal for my career path to be flexible when I graduate.
Oh, and yes, Academic programs tend to support students more, simply because there’s less students interested in those programs.
JD, you’re right this post is great.
I think that whether you can get the education that you need without debt is highly dependant on your circumstances and plans. Certainly, it should always be affordable.
Having a mortgage ties you down a lot more than renting. However, regardless of which you choose, you still have to pay for accommodation on an ongoing basis. You can come out ahead after having made either choice if you do it successfully.
That aside, the last two major points, about investing in yourself and investing in other people are fundamentally the most important things I think you can do to make yourself happy, after the bare essentials are paid for.
I enjoyed the dismissal of the basics in the beginning. You’re right, they’re a great start but once they are in place the possibilities become endless.
I have very mixed views on this post. There are some good points and some which I have to disagree with very strongly:
1. the difference between good debt and bad debt is very real. The use of leverage with investments has enabled many people to achieve their financial and lifestyle goals. It is certainly working for me and does not leave me feeling either tied down or worried at all. In fact the use of debt has been a very positive experience in another respect as well: increasing my confidence
2. a home is an asset. I have yet to see any coherent argement to the contrary. As an investment it may be either good or bad, it may or may not have a mortgage attached to it and the out goings may be more or less than rental - none of which changes the fact that a piece of real estate is an asset. The emotional benefits of home ownership are also a plus for us and there is certainly no feeling of being tied down in anyway.
The points about investing in yourself and others are great.
Hey everyone, thanks for checking out my essay! I appreciate the chance to share and look forward to hearing your thoughts.
One point that stands out to me: charitable giving as only money. For many organizations, your time and resources can be even more valuable to the cause.
I do animal rescue transport, and writing a check won’t get a dog out of a kill shelter the day before he’s scheduled for euthanization.
However, this post is definitely good food for thought.
Love the post. Based on what I read today I’ll be buying this book.
I especially like several points that I think most PF experts have wrong:
-Good debt: he is absolutely right. All debt is a burden. Sometimes it is worth the risk and the cost. Note I say sometimes, not often!
-Your house: This is not an asset people. An asset generates income. Your house pulls money from your checking account. Should you own a house? Maybe. Just make a decision based on facts, not what some guru says.
-Student loans: There is no need to take out a student loan. It may take more time to earn your degree. It may be harder on you today, but it is not worth the years of debt. This is something I have done personally, having earned two degrees and put my wife through college. All were earned while working full time. Was it hard? Of course! It also made it worth that much more to us.
I’m one of those folks who financed 100% of their post-college education with student loans. And, woah, did I ever live to regret it! It took me 10 years to pay it all off — and that was quick compared to most of my friends. I think I was only able to do it because I didn’t buy a home right away or start a family. And, what I did buy was a very small condo, and I took on a roommate to help defer the costs.
Chris, great post! Anxiously awaiting Part 2!
Well, this dude obviously doesnt have kids, but that aside, I like the cut of his jib. I like that he leads this “non conformist” lifestyle but still provides for himself without mooching off others and he still contributes to society. So many people who claim to have his same values are just bums looking for a free ride. As a single mother, most of his ideas don’t work for me, but good for him for making this work for him without becoming a burden for others. I’m eager to read more.
I have only one major problem with this excellent story: maintaining the kind of nihilistic attitude about Social Security that Chris exhibits is neither warranted, nor wise. Social Security is working fine and will go on functioning well into the near future, unless it’s allowed to be privatized. This is why we need to care enough about it to fight any such scheme tooth and nail, because the whole point of it would be to take money out of our collective pockets and line the pockets of the already-wealthy. Here’s the scoop. This article was written a few years back, when our failed president was making his failed push for privatization, something he dropped once the polls showed how unpopular it was.
Respectfully disagree in some areas: I am currently 100k in debt with student loans at 3.6% interest. Really not worried about it. I’ll pay 400 dollars a month for 20 years - but it was worth it to join my profession. My loan payments are tax deductable and I save at least 3X this amount a month which goes right into my 3% high interest online savings account (in addition to Roth IRA) - meaning in 5 years or so my debt (72k) will accumulate at the same rate as my savings (72k). I could pay it all off at that time - but I would deplete my savings, and those 5 years of compound interest time. At the current savings schedule, in 10 years, the monthly interest alone on my high interest savings account (144000 at least) will almost pay for my monthly student debt payments. My savings will pay for my student loans without losing value!!!! I also plan on moving up the salary ladder with my 100k degree - and the net can pay for life experiences and “stuff” like houses. I guess I am one of those people who really isn’t bothered by low interest or “good” debt. Personally I view a house as equity - like a stock - whose value goes up and down, has intrinsic costs (taxes, insurance, maint) just like a fund has expense ratios and loads - You can make money off of it, or lose money on it - but more importantly, you can LIVE in it…it’s practical equity, it’s “stuff” that is an investment AND is practical!!!…kind of like that 100k degree I will be paying off. I’d rather do that than facilitate a landlord’s retirement. Agree with your post on charity and investing in life experiences - personally I would try to achieve more balance, investing in practical “stuff” and life experiences - my parents are 60 and only have a few more countries to go to achieve your goal…they have “stuff” that will facilitate their retirement and time (compound interest) on their side…If you have been everywhere by age 35, that leaves less excitement for when you are 40, 45, 50, etc. That’s just my opinion though…take it or spit on it.
My least favorite part: long-term index fund investing. In 20 years you will wonder what happened to the promise of a big retirement fund, as indexing won’t even pull the theoretical 7%..
I think the author misinterprets the meaning of the term “good debt”. While good debt is a lot harder to come by than bad debt, good debt is defined as when you owe money on something that you are using to produce more income per payment cycle than it costs you to borrow the money.
Much like working out by doing push ups and sit ups, you can get in good shape, but if you work out with weights you’ll get in shape faster. By using good debt, you are leveraging your position, increasing the speed in which you gain or lose money.
Debt is a tool that I would only recommend for those educated enough about an enterprise they are trying to get into to know that they will end up with good debt, so I also wouldn’t recommend it to others because it is often misconstrued as a “get rich quick” scheme and can be very risky.
Chris, this is a great article, and I’m really looking forward to the second part. I downloaded your Manifesto yesterday, hoping to read it this weekend. And J.D., this is a great site; just started subscribing about a week ago, and it’s been excellent. Keep up the good work guys!
This is one of the best-written, most thought provoking pieces I’ve read on GRS. The author’s decision to forego a PhD because of the debt he would have to incur was particularly poignant to me, as I am enrolled in a grad program that I am taking on debt for. Perhaps I will cut my school load to one class a term in order to pay as I go . . .
Very, very interesting stuff.
I’ve never thought a home was the “investment” everyone says it is. First of all there is the cost - which takes a lot of money for a down payment and monthly mortgage payment. Then there are the repairs. I spend about 2% of my home’s value, on average, each year having stuff fixed. Some years I spend 0.5%, other years I spend 3.5%, but it always seems to average about 2%.
And I spend a lot of time maintaining the home. Someone has to clean it, someone has to do yard work and its me cause I don’t want to pay someone else to do it (and my spouse works long hours). It’s physically not easy, especially when the temps get in the upper 90s.
However, you have to live somewhere and often rent is the same price as a mortgage. I certainly see where buying a home is advisable, but I don’t see it as a true investment. It should go up in value, but nothing like my investments do. And it sure takes more monitoring than most of my investments. HOme ownership isn’t for everyone.
What a great post. Chris and his wife obviously have figured out what’s most important to THEM, and designed their financial lives in a way that makes sense. Various happiness authors, who study ‘positive psychology’, all advocate less ‘things’ and more experiences. This is right in line with that idea. I would like to point out, however, that Seattle has a phenomenal public transit system. Most of us aren’t that lucky. Of course, our real estate prices are a bit lower, too. Best wishes, Chris, on hitting every country by 35. Wow!
@ Chris - an excellent post! You’ve gained a new reader!
@ JD - the guest posts on this site continue to give excellent, solid information and advice… Props for extending the quality content of your site… its a joy to read and a good reminder as I continue my own journey of finally making it to a debt-free lifestyle…
Great post, though I am confused on one point. The author said it would cost 30K to visit 60 countries, spending a few days in each. I miss the point in that? For me, traveling isn’t about being able to say I’ve been to X number of countries, but about being to get outside myself and experience something different. You aren’t getting much in a different country every few days.
In that case, I’d rather the SUV (in theory, I don’t own a car). At least I could get some use out of it.
As for the rest, thumbs up. I like the idea of investing in yourself and not being tied down by things you have little interest in (grad school debt, mortgage, etc).
I like the mention of charitable giving - I’ve had such good experience with CARE. And I just posted about how great Kiva is too.
Thanks for the guest post, JD!
I don’t want to sound condescending or confrontational, but B Smith has it completely wrong. An asset is not something that generates income–although some assets MAY be a source of income– rather an asset is a probable future economic benefit. What that means is something that down the road will more likely than not provide economic benefit. In the case of a house, that may involve eventually renting it out or outright selling of the property. Just like a share of stock, a house is classified as an asset regardless of the chance that it may decrease in value. Is a Picasso an asset? Or a rare bottle of wine? Of course, because down the road they all will probably produce some sort of economic benefit.
“charitable giving is essentially an investment in those less fortunate than us.”
Wow. So a home is a liability, but giving money away is an “investment.” Riiiiight.
Of course it’s always fascinating to read about someone who is living entirely in the here-and-now. It goes without saying that their lives are more interesting than ours, because they’re spending freely with little thought for the future. In this entire article, which even J.D. characterized as “long,” all he said about retirement planning is that he believes in low-cost index funds, and don’t count on Social Security.
On the plus side, I really appreciate reading articles like this vividly illustrate the mindset of artsy left-thinkers who “refuse to conform” (good for you). Unfortunately, it gives absolutely no consideration to investigating where this kind of lifestyle inevitably leads. I’d really love to see what Chris’ life is like when he’s too old to work. I hope all his memories of traveling the world and giving his money away comfort him when he’s eating dogfood in a shared-living facility for the indigent.
“No debt” is a great start to personal finance, but there’s an entire other half here that has been completely ignored by his post: saving for retirement.
Maybe I just have no patience for listening to people who insist on repeatedly telling me how “different” they are. Yeah, yeah, good for you, you’re a special and unique snowflake. Just like everybody else.
WONDERFUL. I loved this post and I think I might be rethinking my own budgeting based on the basic points that were mentioned.
I haven’t had the opportunity to spend much time out of the country, but I treasure the time that I have. I had never stopped to consider that buying that new pair of jeans or that one DVD is taking away money that could be spent on a trip to Fiji or somewhere equally exotic.
I agree with most of this article. I believe you should follow your dreams (in this case, travel) and FIND a way to pursue them.
As for home debt, we are entering a mortgage now with the plan to pay it off in 10-15 years. That will mean some sacrifices, but in the end, we’re hoping it will be good for our “retirement” in that we only have to worry about upkeep and property taxes, but we’ll know we have a place to live throughout our lives. Any good plan can go bad, but that’s ours. I’d hate to think I had to come up with rent money every month when I’m 85, though I will be jealous that the renter’s don’t have a yard to mow!
Chris I just want to encourage you in your goal of giving 15% of your income to charity. It might seem crazy to some people but I made the same goal a few years ago and I couldn’t tell you enough the blessing that has been in my life. It has taken my personal focus off of me and put it on other people and I have grown because of it. I still aspire to do bigger and greater things but now that’s just so I can make more of a difference in other people’s lives. I would encourage everyone to make giving as big a priority as saving. It doesn’t have to be 15% but make it enough that you have to overcome some selfishness to do it (that’s personal experience talking :-)).
I love the “invest in yourself” and “invest in others” sections. Investing in others not only leads to a very high level of satisfaction, but also is a form of leverage, where you can take what you do well and expand it to reach more people.
The trick with any “investing” is that it takes time and our “quick hit” mentality doesn’t accommodate it too well. Thanks for the post Chris!
I have to say JD that I am continually challenged and encouraged by this blog and its contributers in my quest for financial freedom. This post is great - I appreciate the frank discussion on giving. I also believe that if you’re not “giving till it hurts”, you’re not giving enough. One of my stated goals for this year is to increase our family giving in both money and time. Just wanted to say thanks for what you do and to let you know that it’s reaching at least one average joe on the road to financial security in a meaningful way.
Well said. Definitely one of the best PF articles I’ve read recently.
-Erica
@ Kevin - Interesting counterargument. I suspect the author has a different take on “retirement” than you do, and thus has a different direction he’s going (financially). But I’m curious why you “just have no patience for listening to people who insist on repeatedly telling me how ‘different’ they are”. I don’t know about other people you’ve had to endure, but this was just one guest post on one blog…. your reaction seems quite out of proportion, IMHO.
It’s always interesting to read something from the fringes. We consider ourselves and our uses and thoughts about money unconventional for our peer group, level of affluence, and local culture, in many of the same ways the writer does.
However, DH is turning 47 next week and we have young kids to raise, and don’t want to have to start from scratch ever again, so we’re a bit more cautious than our “under 35″ author.
But I find it interesting to compare/contrast with the choices other people make, especially when they share their values and reasoning. Sometimes we make changes in response, and sometimes we don’t.
BTW — I agree that a house is shelter, not really a life-enhancing asset unless you like owning your dwelling. We were lucky that our first house turned out to be a cash cow (1998-2005 near San Francisco), but we’re certainly not having the same experience with house #2 (purchased 2005). We figure we would have come out ahead renting the past 3 years, but live and learn.
I agree with the author 100%. A mortgage is debt, and for as long as you carry the debt, it is a liability. A house is a place to live and shelter. You can add roses to it to make your living space more enjoyable/comfortable, but it is not an investment. David Bach’s line of ‘homeownership makes you a millionaire’ mentality is exactly what got us into this mess with falling dollar and high inflation.
I think my depression/World War II era grandmother had the best advice. When she bought her house, it was a place to raise her family, feed them, and keep them warm. I don’t feel one bit sorry for those whose house values have fallen. If you bought the house to live in, the market value doesn’t mean squat.
I don’t have much to say other than great post, great life, and great thoughts on giving! I thoroughly enjoyed it.
@deepali: Maybe I’ve just spent too much time around people who are too full of themselves. Maybe I was reading too much into Chris’ writing. I just found myself rolling my eyes when he wrote things like “I’ve managed to choose unusual paths,” and “as different as I may be.”
He also wrote, “Sadly, the majority of North Americans are woefully under-informed about financial matters and do not set savings goals.” Which is true. But then rather than go on to discuss his own (undoubtably unique and non-conformist) outlook on “savings goals,” he instead prattles on about how awesome his life is, and how he’s going to visit every country in the world.
It just sounded too much like bragging to me. “Look at me, look how different I am, I’m smart enough to recognize that touring the world is more fun than buying an SUV.” He makes these comments as though the thought of traveling the world had never occurred to the rest of us, and as though we’re less intelligent than him because we chose a “conformist” path of getting a good job, buying a house somewhere we like, and raising a family, instead of hitch-hiking from country-to-country.
The icing on the cake was when he refused to acknowledge home ownership as an “investment,” then actually used the expression “charitable giving is essentially an investment in those less fortunate than us.” Such nonsense really makes me wonder exactly how this left-thinker defines an “investment,” because it certainly doesn’t fit any conventional definition of the term. But of course, not being conventional is the whole point, isn’t it.
Maybe my angst is misplaced. I have no personal gripe with the author. I just feel that if someone goes to such lengths to assure me how different and unconventional they are, it just comes across as desperate insecurity.
although i own a home in california, i do admire the goals you set for yourself.
good luck with your future.
Always with the donations, these articles. Set the white liberal guilt aside, people. By a rational analysis, donating money ranks equal to or beneath indulgence spending. The money is gone and you don’t get anything out of it except perhaps a warm fuzzy feeling. If you refuse to buy into the guilt trip of modern media and religion, you can live without the pain or fear or guilt - and put that money into savings or debt-retirement where it will do you somelong-term good. Make decisions with your logic, not with your emotions.
I donate zero dollars per any unit of time you like, and I have no regrets except that I did not adopt this approach sooner.
I think there’s also of great notions expressed in this guest post.
But call me a cynic — I’d be very surprised if Chris doesn’t have a trust fund somewhere in his past, present, or future. I just felt like there was a tone to his story that made me suspect that he’d have something to fall back on if his experiment in free living didn’t work out as he exactly planned. I run into a lot of people similar to this in my travels.
Hey everyone, I’m glad that my writing has inspired some strong opinions. Remember that there is a part two coming later, where I’ll share more about self-employment as well as a few mistakes I’ve made.
I am getting ready to head out on an international trip, so I probably can’t respond to all comments here. However, please continue to share your feedback, positive or otherwise.
As to the trust fund, no, I don’t have anything like that.
Take care and thanks for reading!
Chris
I liked the post ok. But . . .
I think most people get a lot of joy out of owning their homes, or at least the ones I know do. Maybe because of where I live.
Also, if public transportation was an option where we live and work, we wouldn’t have a car either and could afford to travel and do cool stuff. (Matter of fact, we saved money by buying a house because apartments were all too far away from work. Just not many out here in the ex-urbs.)
Although there are some benefits to the article, I totally disagree with #1, #2, and #3. In fact, it is downright dangerous to suggest that those are mistakes people make. Mathematically speaking, student loans and mortgages give one financial leverage: access to funds they turn around and invest in something that over a medium to long term timeframe yields a net return (after paying back the borrowed funds). Why, for instance, pay for an education out of pocket, when you could instead borrow the funds, not accrue interest while in school, and take the money you would’ve used to pay the tuition and put it in a diversified portfolio earning 12% a year. By the time you’re done with your degree, you’d have more money than when you started, plus a degree which gives you access to a higher salary.
Non-conformity does not have to mean “fly in the face of everything everyone is doing,” because a lot of people are doing these things not because they are conformists, but because it is a mathematically sound idea. One can still be a non-conformist and use the available financial options to one’s advantage when considering what to do with one’s salary. Day trading, on the other hand, is any but a financially sound idea.
Overall, I would caution readers to read up further on the differing points of view on acquiring debt, because there are good types of debt, as well as bad ones, and the key difference in understanding these is the idea of leveraging (partly the reason credit was created in the first place). Moreover, since the article leaves out key macroeconomic factors which, over the medium to long term can severely restrict someone’s standard of living who hasn’t accessed these types of leverage, I won’t even begin to describe how things like inflation further strengthen the case for buying a home, and investing in education through student loans.
Actually, I think the people who don’t donate are the ones with the guilt and rationalize why they don’t donate. Those who donate out of altruism never think of it in terms of ‘value’ and what they are getting out of it. Donating for ‘the warm fuzzy feeling’ is not an altruism - it also is a form of selfish motivation. I’ve donated to all kinds of charities, and I have no idea if any good came out of it. I hope so. I never got a tax deduction or anything tangible out of it. Never regretted a dime. If there’s anything I regret, is all the money I’ve spent on credit card companies and consumerist crap instead of pet shelters, food banks, vaccine development, disaster prevention, etc etc.
I think this article is great! Traveling is one of my favorite things to do, and I’ve taken on debt to do it (for a study abroad). I haven’t come to regret that decision yet, but I also haven’t gone into repayment yet. Hopefully I can travel as often as you do when I’ve graduated.
There are benefits to home ownership that are not tied to whether or not it is a good financial investment. My husband and I are in our 40s and have two young boys. We like the freedom to live in our home as we please as homeowners. We don’t have to worry about our boys being rough on the house for fear of landlords, we can do what we want with our backyard, we can have as many pets as we want, etc. etc. without asking some landlord’s permission, we can remodel, we can have our home be just what we want. We don’t like the idea of a landlord dictating how we live. In addition, in our town which has excellent schools and amenities for families (beautiful parks and playgrounds, great libraries, etc. etc.) it would be more expensive to rent a house with the same square footage, if you were lucky enough to actually find one!
Before we had children, we were renters and it worked out fine and was the better option.
Thanks for the motivation to give - I really want to do this.
I think you are very right about finding priorities to invest in - and starting by figuring out your passions. We realized that we have the ordinary but important passion of family - and the uncommon option of building our family’s foundations quickly (10 years) and having me work part-time starting at age 35 - an entire family living off of twenty hours per week of work.
This is only possible because (a) I have a high income (thank you, student debt! LOL), and (b) because we went through some rough financial times after our twins were born and figured out frugal living.
To The “Math” Guy -
That’s scary - you are suggesting that we borrow money for education and rather than use it for education we put it somewhere to earn 12% ( “… take the money you would’ve used to pay the tuition . . .”). What a lark! You tell me exactly where I can be guaranteed 12%, and I just might think about it. Otherwise, get real. Your title is clearly erroneous, and your sophomoric answers are poorly offered.
Cathy–I’m just curious as to why you do not know if any good came of your donations. I only ask becasue of all of the allegations regarding “charitable companies” that take most of the donations and funnel it to the board of directors rather than putting to the indended/advertised use. Personally, I don’t judge people based upon the way they deal with their money (ie:donating or not & how much), unless of course they are clients, or specifically ask my opinion.
I have to admit that the responses regarding home ownership were particularly interesing have prompted me to write a blog entry on my own site. It got me thinking why it’s ok to rent a home, but not to lease a car based on various message board and blog posts. I guess I felt inspired by these comments to write
From one mathematician to another:
I know of many people who, thinking that there is no downside to borrowing money as long as it’s for the “right” reasons, overspend on houses or on their lifestyle while a student. Viewing every dollar of debt skeptically helps to ensure that what debts you do accrue, even for good reasons, are kept to a minimum.
The advice in the post goes over the top for my taste as well, but too much similar advice errs on the wrong side of caution, so I think it’s refreshing and beneficial to get an opposing viewpoint.
Inspiring post, thanks Chris. Will you address the issue of healthcare coverage as an independent worker, as well as retirement planning? As the saying goes “Charity begins at home”, and you can’t take care of others if you are in poor shape (financially & physically), either today or decades from now.
Hey Chris,
Interesting post. I bet your home-buying advice resonates with a lot more people than it would have a year ago, we’re facing a pretty brutal market in the US.
With all that travel I bet you get to talk about money and investing with people all over the world. It’s a popular subject everywhere that I’ve visited and an easy ice breaker. If you ever have a follow-up it would be interesting to hear the differences between the American take on frugality and personal finance vs foreign countries.
Cheers,
Odd Lot
http://www.Money-and-Investing.com
Eric:
Abuse of charity money certainly is a grave concern. Donations do not have to be monetary, though. I’ve donated old clothes and household items to Goodwill, who sell their items at a significant discount to lower income families. I donate blood, and because I’m O , almost anyone who needs a transfusion can use it. My boyfriend has donated his limited spare time to food banks. There is all volunteer shop around the corner where I live who work for an organization that pays fair wages for goods made in 3rd world countries to keep kids out of Walmart-type factories. I have given money to the American Red Cross, Humane Society, and feral cat programs. How do I know my money wasn’t used to buy lattes, power lunches or stock portfolios? I don’t, but I’m banking on their reputation.
Why not? If you have cash to pay for it anyways, why not at least make 3-4% in a CD while you have 0% interest on the loan? The student loans we got my wife don’t charge interest till 6 months after she graduates.
We put $6000 into a one year CD at 3% APY. That’s $180 for the price of filling out a loan application.
If I’d been smarter when I was in school I would’ve done the same thing with my own tuition money.
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We do a similar thing with our credit cards. Money sits in an ING account between pay day and the CC due date. We get 25 days worth of interest (we leave a few extra days for the payment to go through).
This is a thought provoking piece. It seems to me that it is easier for most people to live like non-conformers when they have no children or elderly parents to care for and are themselves in good health.
Tom:
Borrowing student loans to instead invest it in the market is not a good idea. Chris suggested that student loans are not a good idea, so I was pointing out that they are a good idea. Compared to his alternative, paying for school out of pocket, you could use your out of pocket money and invest it, while simultaneously taking out a student loan to pay your tuition. Trust me, this is what a lot of people do.
By the way, making 12% in the market is not hard, assuming your time horizon is at least 7 years. I keep track of a diversified portfolio on my blog in real-time which is a simple asset allocation, and Mebane Faber (just google him), along with others, has done much quantitative research on this showing greater than S&P 500 returns over every rolling period of at least 7 years with less risk, and over the last 34 years as well. The point: student loans and mortgages are debt, but they are radically different from the debt acquired to buy, say, a TV. As such, they are types of investment debt.
I don’t donate and don’t really plan to, ever. Maybe I have guilt, maybe I don’t, but I’m not rationalizing. I’m just not interested. I wish people would stop judging others (you have guilt! no, you have guilt!).
I also have 0 debt and am really hesitating on ever buying a new car again, or even a house. It’s great! If myself or S.O. loses our job, we have enough emergency fund to last out the lease, at which point we can move to a cheaper place. Soooo much easier than a mortgage. And comes with a concierge where we’re at right now.
This was a thought provoking post.
I think that there is a middle ground between “my house will make me rich” and “it’s just a roof over your head” and several commenters have touched on it. A house is an asset and an investment, but I think for most people it’s largest value is not in how much cash can you get out of it, but the value and freedom of eventually not having to make any sort of payment to have a roof over your head. God willing, we’ll be elderly some day and if our retirement dreams don’t come true (the future is uncertain for all of us) we would probably be counting our lucky stars if we were smart enough to invest in a home early enough that by the time we are in old age our housing is secure.
I admit that my planning and thoughts on the future come from a childhood of home insecurity -we were evicted multiple times before I was in middle school- and so I may not be entirely rational. Also because of the way I grew up and the amount of charity we received (emergency food boxes, free clothes, free medical services etc) I also believe in giving generously to worthy charities, I personally try to make sure that my charitable giving (I’m no dummy, I screen organizations carefully) is greater than the amount of money I spend on gifts for friends and family each year. I feel like if I spend more on my friends and family who don’t need my money than I do on the less fortunate that my actions are not lining up with my values.
Your mileage, naturally, may vary.
I agree with Kevin about the tone of the article, it did read very self-congratulatory and “look at me”. As a naturally unconforming person I have little patience for people who talk and talk about how different they are. I’m always reminded of the South Park episode where the goth kid says “You can’t be a nonconformist if you don’t drink coffee.”
For me, nonconformity is about deciding what is right for you, personally. There’s no point telling everyone about it because what’s right for you won’t be right for others. If you’re looking for validation you’re not much of a nonconformist. Bragging about how many countries you’ve visited or how you were accepted to a prestigious PHD program but decided not to go is looking for validation, not sharing information.
However, I do agree somewhat with Chris’s approach to debt. A house is not the investment most people think it is, and right now I would not buy in most markets. Owning a home is not strictly speaking a liability; housing is a liability, but actual dollar numbers aside paying a mortgage and paying rent are not functionally different. Until you pay off the mortgage or sell (and don’t buy another house) you’re just renting money from the bank. But choosing not to buy doesn’t remove the liability, you still have to pay rent to somebody.
Similarly, a student loan is only good if you can expect to earn a return greater than the interest rate on the debt. This can include non-monetary benefits which are hard to calculate, but even then the question is whether there’s a benefit to going to school now and ending up in debt rather than saving and going later. I have to shake my head at D Albert talking about saving at 3% rather than paying down the debt at 3.6%. That math just doesn’t work! It would be “good” debt if the money saved were being put in something earning more than 3.6%, not less.
Add my name to the list of people whose first reaction to this article, reinforced throughout its entirety, was: This guy so clearly does not have kids.
Becoming a parent is an intiatory experience, Chris–you have to do it to “get it”. Come on back and let us know what you think when you’ve got a few offspring.
All snideness aside, as a Seattle resident, yes, in this day and age, generally it can pencil out better to rent than buy. (Hi, The Tim! Y’all go check out his Seattle Bubble blog.) Still in the long run, home ownership tends to come out ahead of renting, and I bet that’ll be the case again as the housing hysteria of the last few years shakes out.
@Kevin, I actually agree with you, in terms of tone. And I agree with Chris on a lot of his points. I don’t think it’s bragging so much as it is self-marketing!
I own a condo (it’s a rental property now), and I would never ever consider it an investment. Unless we’re talking an investment of all my waking hours. It is the albatross around my neck. I felt the same about my car, until I sold it. So what Chris says resonates with me - no debt is good debt for me as well. I would much rather be traveling (though not one country every few days!). I would also much rather the money I put towards the downpayment have gone towards seed money for my own nonprofit.
But I am actually really quite the conformist (just look at my 15% yearly savings towards retirement!).
I don’t know that it matters that he doesn’t have kids.
Probably, if he did, his priorities might well change, but then he would refocus his money to reflect his priorities - or at least that would be the plan.
And of course, some of us aren’t planning to have any kids anyway.
A house is never a liability, unless it is NOT mortgaged. Carrying a mortgage provides for tax incentives (itemization and interest, for example) that are simply not available to those that rent. There are many instances when debt is not bad, such as a mortgage for a house that is subletted or rented out, so that others are paying your debt down.
@ Sam… I’d be interested in seeing where the tax savings outweigh even the interest-only portion of the mortgage. It was my understanding that you only get a small percentage of the interest deducted from your taxes, not the entire amount. Do the other incentives outweigh the deductible interest?
Where I live, I can buy a nice house for about $145,000… let’s call it $150,000 just for good measure. My payment, property taxes and all, would be in the range of $1500/month. I can rent an apartment of approximate value for around $1000/month. So, not only do the incentives need to make up for the $500/month difference, but I’ll also have to earn income on that $500 to get there since that’s my after tax cost. At a round 25% tax rate (low, but it’ll do for the purposes of discussion), that means that I’ll need to make an extra $7500/year just to break even, and all of that is assuming a level market, which, as we all know, it isn’t right now.
As to your second thought, while I agree that others paying the debt down can be advantageous, but there are also factors to consider when renting - maintenance, retaining the tenants (keeping the property leased at all times), etc. These factors could turn an income into an expense. Not owning the house doesn’t have the potential to produce the income, but its also a risk that doesn’t have to be managed.
This was interesting to me, but to be honest, I was hoping for a little more nonconformity. Giving to charity, paying your way through school, not counting on social security, traveling a lot, and being very wary of a ridiculous housing market–this sounds like lots of people I know. I’d really love to hear from someone who’s kind of off the grid. Now that would be enlightening!
You can take the entire amount of mortgage interest paid as a deduction unless your mortgage is over a million dollars. It applies to your primary residence, you can’t do it for third and fourth homes, for example. You can also deduct home equity interest.
I think there’s a bit of confusion about tax deduction vs. tax reduction. Say I pay $15000 in mortgage payments and property taxes. Early in the mortgage, say only $1800 goes to principal payments. The rest goes to tax deductible mortgage interest and property taxes. However, using Todd’s 25% tax rate, I’ll only see about ($15000 - $1800) * .25 = $13200 * .25 or $3400 reduction in my taxes.
So, saying this a bit differently than Todd (but meaning roughly the same thing, I think), can I find an adequate place to live for $15000-$3400 = $11600 or less than 967/month? Some places, yes, some places no. If I can rent a nice enough place for $650/month or $7800/year, then you’re coming out at least $3800/year ahead in pure dollar terms.
And these calculations don’t include maintenance and insurance costs, which only makes the cost of ownership higher. I’m not going to address the other reasons — possible appreciation, forced savings, ownership — that cause people to own their own homes.
Put another way, if the tax deduction makes a mortgage such a great idea without the need for one, I’d be happy to take anyone’s $1 in mortgage interest and give them 25 cents to pay toward their taxes.
The tax deduction is meant to make a mortgage more affordable to more people — it’s not a compelling reason for most people to maintain mortgage debt that they don’t need, unless your tax rate is really high or your interest rate is really low.
Finally, even when you own your home without a mortgage, you’re still paying “rent” — property taxes, insurance, utilities, and maintenance costs in some parts of the US can be quite high.
It was an unhappy realization that we could pay off our mortgage, and only cut our housing/utility/maintenance costs in half, which would have tied up a lot of our capital and not reduced our monthly fixed costs much. Renting would have been cheaper, but we prefer to be the landowners at this time.
i don’t see the huge nonconformity here either.
on student loans… i think everyone and their brother has made a comment on this but here’s how i see it.
i have been in higher education for 7 years. during that time, i figure i’ve made just over 100k in income. i have taken out a bunch of loans, interest free, to help pay for this so that i can get to the job that pays well, sooner.
i worked a bit in college- made about 30k in 2.5 years- and have a small bundle of student loans from undergrad. i am supported as a phd candidate. but after 8 or so years of this i can start making in the 70k range in a job that i *want* to do. over 15 years and assuming no raises, i have made 645k in income this way, minus my 20k in student loan repayment= 625k. i don’t plan on taking long to pay those off. i want to emphasize- i am doing something i love for almost half of that time.
or, i could have taken 6 years to get my bachelor’s instead of 3. well, i probably could have made 25k per year in some miserable full time gig for 6 years and paid tuition in full. i will ignore the large annual tuition increases and stagnant national wage increases for the sake of argument. i still have support as a full time phd candidate for 5 years. that’s 11 years at 25k per year, assuming no raises. then i have 4 years at 70k for a total of 555k over 15 years and no student loans.
i’m not even factoring in the increased experience and raises that the former path gains over the latter- and let’s not forget that increased income leads to increased ability to save for retirement. and we know the power of compounding makes for the earlier investments to be the most advantageous. you want to earn more, sooner, if possible.
so i’m cool with my student loans, i just don’t want to take out more than i need.
It’s fun to read such a thoughtful position that comes out in a place so different than most of us.
Since I blog about Socially Responsible investing, let me point out that you don’t have to donate to contribute to social benefit. You can also invest, though http://www.microplace.com in Microfinance, similar to Kiva, but with modest returns, comparable to CD’s. It’s an actual security which you can buy online. Your investment is lent to microfinance clients. Fabulous way to achieve many noble goals, and still make 2/3% on your money.
Thanks for promoting Kiva and modeling enlightened attitudes towards the meaning and use of money.
I could have taken loans out for my graduate degree and invested the money we have saved instead. I’m still going to pay out of pocket. 2 years, especially in this volatile market, isn’t enough time to guarantee a return over the 6.8% interest on the loans. Also, I would hate to have the time line run out on the loans and have my balance be down due to stock market crazy. If I kept the money in the account it is in now, it would earn about 460 in interest by the time I graduate. So maybe I’m passing up 460 dollars of ‘free’ money. But by doing so I gain peace of mind knowing that if something happens I can stop going to school for a term (or a year) and not have to suddenly repay loans. It also gives me flexibility on the number of classes I take, since the deferred interest loans are offered at my school only for full time students and I might not want to be full time every term depending on thesis load and job prospects.
As for the article being “look at me” toned, I think that’s not what he intended. I’m glad when people share what they are doing and why/how it works for them. It gives ideas and perspective to others who might be looking for a different path from the more conventional “get degree, get job, get spouse, get house, get kid(s), retire at 70.”
Though, as #61 Sara says, it would be cool to see a guest post or two about living more off grid. I love these posts from people who are living differently than many, they are so full of ideas.
As for a house, right now my husband and I rent a 5 bed/4 bath house with two of our best friends. Our total share of bills(including rent, cable tv/internet, electricity, and Water/Sewer) this month came to 754. There is no way we could do that owning a house (especially not in this city, especially not a house this nice, this close in, or this big). Having bills this low allows us to save more money, so for us at this point, a house doesn’t make any sense.
I agree with what others have said about donating time instead of/as well as money. Lots of places really need the help in terms of manpower, not just cash. Also, for unbeatable experiences in traveling, there are tons of programs for volunteering abroad.
Raising up the man beside you doesn’t somehow make you lower… I can’t stand that mentality. Sigh.
Thank you to Chris and BPT for the links to Kiva.org and Microplace.com. I did not know about these, and will definitely check them out! I’ll also head over and read your blog about socially responsible investing - I am on board with this idea.
Good points in the article.
I had previously made use of Kiva but stopped because I asked myself “If I am against debt, why am I supporting an organization that encourages people to take on debt, no matter the good intentions.”
The role-model cases of Kiva sound good but there are many people in developing countries who also use the loans in the same manner that North Americans use credit cards.
I admire their aims but I can’t support how they are going about it.
Thanks, Chris, for your insight. However, if you’re ready for a completely new paradigm, I suggest reading “Busting Loose from the Money Game” by Robert Scheinfeld. If it is a book you align yourself with, you may find your entire piece is rather irrelevant.
I’m looking forward to checking out your brief guide to world domination! Thanks so much for putting yourself out there and speaking your heart!
I was really surprised to see how many GRS readers agreed with Chris’ position on mortgages/home-ownership. I can see home ownership it doesn’t fit into Chris’ lifestyle, but it seems like he and many GRS commenters are overlooking a very important point about home ownership: it’s a LONG TERM investment.
Most of the negative issues that people have mentioned about home ownership only apply if you look at it as a short term investment. In today’s market a house probably isn’t a good short term investment, but then again neither is an index fund (but at least you get something tangible from a house). In home ownership, you’ve got to look long term to see the real benefit. And those benefits can be huge…
Over a period of 10-20 years as a home owner you are extremely likely to see the value of your home appreciate and the amount of your monthly (fixed) mortgage payments will be significantly less than if you were renting a comparable home since rents will have risen with the market (rents will have risen much higher than property taxes). So, not only will you be paying a lot less each month for housing long term, but you’ll also be able to sell your home at a profit. Of course, during those 10+ years you’ll have also paid down several thousand dollars on your loan, adding to your gain if/when you sell. Oh, and let’s not forget the fact that you could eventually pay the house off in full and not have to pay for a mortgage at all.
All those happy renters who say owning a home is too expensive or too risky need to remember that somebody owns the house that they’re renting. And that person no doubt is enjoying their long term investment.
Thanks for contributing a thought-provoking piece.
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Plonkee at #58 wrote:
iI don’t know that it matters that he doesn’t have kids.
Probably, if he did, his priorities might well change, but then he would refocus his money to reflect his priorities - or at least that would be the plan.
Yep, exactly–and his priorities and perspectives would be quite a bit different.
And of course, some of us aren’t planning to have any kids anyway.
You zany nonconformists.
Most people do, though, and it does radically chance your perspective on life. Stability, long-term thinking, self-sacrifice, what constitutes contribution to society, all that kind of stuff–quite a bit at odds with the author’s slant.
@ Angie - Not everyone ends up thinking the same way after having kids. Some reprioritization happens, but many parents are perfectly happy taking their kids traveling with them (without the mortgage).
@ Matt - if one were to pay off the loan in its entirety, who are you to say how a person should spend their money? If you don’t like someone’s “business plan”, then find a different loan to finance.
The arrogance of the developed world never ceases to astound me.
Excellent post. I think most of the criticisms in the comments exhibit too much defensiveness to be taken seriously. It’s sad, but all too common, to see people blaming their children for constraining their options.
Kiva loans are usually paid off in full and on time, with very little default. Not at all equivalent to US credit card usage as someone suggested above
Grow your Kiva portfolio steadily and see how sweet it is to be able to help so many people in an empowering and non-patronizing way. Remember, you get to churn the repayments back into additional loans. It’s not a tax write off, but the satisfaction of being able to make small loans available to so many businesses in poor countries is very satisfying. We’ve switched almost entirely to Kiva for our charitable giving. We’re up to having the equivalent of 5% of our annual income in our Kiva portfolio without really trying too hard. We’ve had no defaults on loans.
Actually Angie, not everyone totally changes the way they think. My nonconformist friend is on her way to Indonesia with her 2 yo as I type.
This is straight up untrue. Since WWII, home prices have tracked inflation. The median price has increased, but so has the size of the median house. Your house is not going to get bigger over time to keep up with the median. If you buy during a bubble it’s unlikely you will ever see a profit in real terms. In Vancouver we didn’t see prices reach the peak of the 1981 bubble until 2007, which was a year before the end of thisbubble.
Yes, over time rents will increase (and hopefully your income will as well) while your mortgage payments stay the same. However, nobody is saying that you should never buy, just that you shouldn’t buy now. Current predictions (based on the Case-Shiller index) are that the US market will bottom in 2010 or later. Why would you buy now and throw away 10, 20 or 30%+ of the price of your house? Even with a 25% down payment you could end up owing more than your house is worth.
In the case of Chris, he likes to not only travel but live different places. The transaction costs of buying and selling houses would eat up any benefits he might get, even in a normal market.
I think I’d have to disagree with you on the education loans - they can very often be “good” debt and worth the risk. The risk of not going to college is much, much higher.
I do love Kiva, though!
Hey, at least tell is how you done when you were day trading!!
I think the important thing here is that the author has consciously decided what his priorities are and then has consciously aligned his finances with those priorities, and he feels this has rewarded him greatly. I personally have different priorities than him, and I would expect that everyone has their own. But I also have made an effort to align my finances with my priorities, and I agree with him that this leads to significant reward and satisfaction. I would encourage everyone to take this approach.
This is not a financially wise philosophy. I’m sure he enjoys his travels quite a bit, but it’s never a good idea to advise young people to “invest in themselves” by buying airline tickets to Hong Kong and lots of art supplies rather than a house or some tangible asset. He advises against relying on Social Security… so if you want to set up a future for yourself where you don’t need to depend on it, a house might be a good asset to start with.
This post oozes self-importance. Amidst all his “challenging himself” by his charitable giving (this lost me — it’s a completely different issue he lumped in there with making sure your charitable donations are spent efficiently and wisely, which has nothing to do with the effect on the giver), he should make a little time to work on humility.
@Vanessa:
feh. taking time to work on humility is for conformists.
Quite a few people are turned off at the prospect of being tied to the mortgage/kids/work/retire/die cycle. Not everyone wants to start a family either. He wrote an article that says this doesn’t have to be the case, and you can still be financially stable. It’s just a matter of being wise with the assets you have to work with.
A house is an asset, because it’s property that can be liquidated easily. That’s what I understand to be the definition of asset. It’s the mortgage that is the liability, and taking on any liability has a risk/benefit equation that has to be thought about. If I don’t like the outcome of that equation in the place I choose to live, I feel I could be putting money in a Roth IRA, my employer’s 401k program, and/or high-yield savings accounts at much less risk, rent my home and not be responsible for repair and maintenance, and be working towards my retirement without banking on Social Security. I fail to see how the essay is unwise financial advice, a mortgage can be just as risky of an investment as any other. It may be worth the risk if you plan on having a family or want to make money owning property, but not everyone does.
Sure, there’s such a thing as good debt. But it’s risky and involved, and it’s more for people that want to own property. But you don’t have to own property to be financially secure.
deepali, the author of this article states “There is no such thing as good debt” but yet he supports loaning money (via Kiva) to people and therefore encouraging them to take on debt. Doesn’t that sound hypocritical to you?
If you are against something, you shouldn’t be helping other people into the very thing you are opposed to.