This is a guest post from Chris Guillebeau at The Art of Non-Conformity. It’s long. It’s good. If you can’t read it all now, bookmark it and come back later. It’s worth it. Earlier this week, Chris released a short (and free) e-book called A Brief Guide to World Domination. It’s all about rejecting mediocrity and pursuing a higher purpose. I recommend it highly.
My short life as a daytrader
In my second year of college, I decided to take out $10,000 in student loans and become a daytrader. I could earn far more than the low 4% rate the loans came with, and I planned to finance my education with the winnings.
Sounds like a great idea, right?
There I was, hanging out in the school library, taking up two or three monitors with stock tickers running across the screen and Excel spreadsheets tracking my trades. A copy of Barron’s would be spread out beside me, and the Wall Street Journal wasn’t far away.
So how did it go? Well, there were a couple of problems.
- Real-time trading was hard to do in 1997. Back then, the internet was up and running well, and Datek Online had just launched, but real-time trading was still restricted to people with a lot faster connections than my school library had.
- Apparently, the school library was not designed for my exclusive use. For some reason, the library staff grew weary of my hanging out in the library all day, taking up three computers. I tried to play it cool when they asked me about it — “Oh, is there a problem?”— but in the end I was put on library restriction: I could use only one computer at a time, and if others were waiting to do academic work, the stock trading would have to stop. Not wanting to pay for a better computer and connection at home, I finally gave it up.
Fast-forward ten years, and I haven’t done any stock trading since then, but I’ve managed to choose unusual paths most of that time:
- I lived in West Africa for four years, working as a volunteer for a charity without taking any salary.
- I’ve worked as an entrepreneur for most of my adult life — ten years and counting without the dreaded “real job”.
- After spending so much time overseas, I’ve found that I really enjoy traveling to places most North Americans never go to, so I recently set a goal of traveling to every country in the world before my 35th birthday in 2013
Each of these experiences has taught me a lot about personal finance, and in a few important ways, my belief in unconventional living has carried over to how I handle money. I’ve made a lot of mistakes along the way, but I’ve also done a few things right.
With that in mind, I’ve written a two-part summary to explain more about how I handle my finances. While I don’t expect that anyone will adopt my own system in full, I do hope that this summary may help others who see the world similar to the way that I do. My thanks to J.D. for providing a forum for this summary here at Get Rich Slowly.
Back to basics
First of all, I’d like to think that most of what the GRS site advocates — and what GRS readers consistently practice —
represents a great start to a nonconformist approach to personal finance. Sadly, the majority of North Americans are woefully under-informed about financial matters and do not set savings goals.
Simply by planning and taking deliberate action with your finances, you are already in a league of your own.
Further, as different as I may be, I am an advocate of most of the basic financial advice presented here on GRS and in other like-minded publications. Some financial advice is fairly generic, but there really are some good principles that are true for everyone.
For example, I believe in:
- emergency savings funds
- paying off credit card balances every month
- being aware of all your expenses
- using a cash method for discretionary spending
- long-term index fund investing
I think of these things as The Basics. Simply following The Basics will put most of us far above the curve.
Also, I am generally skeptical about retirement as it’s commonly defined (more on that later), but I am even more skeptical about Social Security. If you’re under 50 years old, I don’t recommend you count on Social Security for anything. Consider those payments you make each month as a parent or grandparent tax.
Where I diverge from the conventional wisdom is over the issues of debt, focused spending, home ownership, traditional employment, retirement, and charitable giving.
Here are a few of my principles — and please, feel free to take them or leave them for yourself as you see fit. I don’t make judgments about the choices of others; I only think it’s reasonable that each of us should carefully consider our own motivations and priorities. As J.D. says, “Do what works for you.”
#1 — There is no such thing as “good debt.”
Finance books and magazines often talk about “good debt,” in the sense that a long-term mortgage is considered a good thing to have. Depending on your perspective, a car loan or education loans may also be “good.”
Well, this is probably the only thing in the world I am conservative and old-fashioned about, but I happen to believe that all debt is something to worry about. While watching many friends accumulate huge levels of debt buying cars and houses, I have lived my entire adult life debt-free.
This has occasionally meant going without something or not buying an expensive car (I don’t own any car at all now), but the real secret is that choosing to live debt-free is no sacrifice at all. Even though I work as an entrepreneur and have never had a stable income, I also don’t have to worry about falling behind on mortgage payments or watching credit card finance charges rise every month.
#2 — Student loans? No thanks!
Aside from the short experience of daytrading with my undergraduate loan money (I actually came out a little ahead, but I wouldn’t recommend trying that), I’ve financed the rest of my education without debt as well.
Two years ago I came to Seattle and began an expensive graduate program, and since that time I have met a lot of students who have gone into debt to finance their undergraduate and graduate education. It’s fair to say that some of them are happy with this choice, and there are certain professions (such as medicine) where it is very difficult to get an education without taking on serious debt.
However, it is also fair to say that I know a lot of people who have truly regretted taking on so much debt to go to school, especially if they enrolled in a program that does not lead to a high-paying job after graduation.
I’m simply not comfortable borrowing large sums of money. I was able to pay for my University of Washington Master’s Degree on my own. But now that I’m writing during the day instead of building businesses, I really can’t afford to continue paying for my education. Earlier this year I was accepted to a competitive Ph.D. program on the east coast, but the offer didn’t come with financial support, so I had to make a tough decision.
I could have started the program by taking loans or using long-term savings, hoping that more financial support would come along later. To be honest, I briefly considered taking the loans. But in the end I made the right choice, at least for me: I’m not going. I don’t value it that much.
#3 — A house is a liability, not an asset
I am currently living in one of the most expensive housing markets in North America (Seattle, Washington), and I have no interest in buying a home here. I am quite happy that my landlords are responsible for maintenance, and that I pay no homeowners’ dues or property taxes. (Yes, I realize that some of those costs are factored in the price of rent, but I think we still come out ahead.)
In the long-term, you do have to live somewhere, and if you’re staying put for the next 30 years and want a home of your own, ownership can make sense. But for many of the rest of us, renting is becoming less of a stigma now that people have begun to realize that taking out huge mortgages isn’t usually a good idea.
Invest in yourself
My wife Jolie and I made a decision several years ago that guides most of our spending choices. We try not to spend money on “stuff” — physical items that all of us end up accumulating over time — and instead focus our spending on life experiences that we value.
Jolie is an artist, so we invest a lot in her art education and supplies. For me, world travel is my highest personal expense category. On a train ride from Hungary to the Czech Republic a few years back, I worked out the cost of visiting 100 countries. I had already been to a lot of countries, and I figured that to get to the remaining 60 or so and stay for a few days in each would cost roughly $30,000, or the cost of a large SUV.
I prefer to use public transport and don’t own a car in Seattle, so I thought, wow, that’s cheap. I could have a large vehicle and complain to everyone about the cost of fuel, or I could have the world. For me, it was an easy choice.
Some people would say that world travel is a frivolous luxury, and not something that should be such a prominent item in a graduate student’s budget. I’ll try to consider that point the next time I’m flying off to Hong Kong or Johannesburg.
Because travel is so important to me, my working budget includes funds for at least one Round-the-World trip each year. I realize that I don’t need this trip in the same way that I need to buy groceries, but I do need it in the sense that it is one of my highest priorities, and I would rather eliminate other expenses before cutting into it.
A lot of GRS readers may not be as interested in travel as I am, but that’s OK — it’s more important to find your own “life experience” priorities. What do you get excited about? What are you truly passionate about? I believe these items should be your spending priorities, right after groceries, savings, and investing in others — the next area in this short guide to unconventional personal finance.
Invest in others
For many affluent people, charitable giving is an afterthought. It’s something we do once in a while to feel better, or at the end of the year for a tax write-off.
I have a problem with that mindset. Done well, charitable giving is essentially an investment in those less fortunate than us. I don’t view investing in others as a luxury or an afterthought; I consider it as essential as taking care of our own savings.
Money doesn’t solve all the problems of the world, and it’s important to give to the right causes. For example, because far more people give to short-term relief than to long-term development, the money spent on disaster relief is often highly inefficient and poorly used.
But when you create a strategy for your investment in others, you can have a positive impact on far more people, and the quality of that impact will be greatly optimized.
If you’re not sure where to start and are looking for good causes to increase your own giving, consider the following organizations. I personally know the people who run each of these groups and give them my highest recommendations:
Kiva.org — This great organization has the objective of democratizing microlending by matching small donors (like you and me) with promising entrepreneurs in the developing world who need small loans to improve their businesses.- CharityIs — My friend Scott Harrison started this project to bypass government foreign aid (most of which does not go to the poorest people in poor countries) and directly provide access to clean water and sanitation throughout Africa and Asia.
- Care — One of the larger, more traditional charities, Care has managed to keep administrative expenses down even as they have expanded to projects in 71 countries
What I’m Doing
Right now I’m beginning a writing career while my wife works as an artist, so we have definitely had to cut back on both giving and savings, but I still try to pay attention to the overall percentages. I also believe that if you don’t “miss” the money you give — if there is no real sense of sacrifice — you’re not really being challenged by the giving.
Therefore, I have a stated goal of investing at least 15% of our income every year in charitable giving. I feel a little strange about writing that here for 50,000 people to read, because this is something that is very personal, and I have previously shared the number with only a few people.
To those who say that it’s hard to give to others when you don’t have much money yourself, part of me wants to sympathize, but another part remembers that we chose to adopt this principle when we were living on about $12,000 a year. In the end, all I can say is that every year we have given more money away, and we have rarely lacked for anything.
To be continued…
By getting the basics under control, rejecting conventional beliefs about debt, choosing to spend freely on life experiences instead of “stuff,” and creating a giving plan to invest in others, I’ve built a personal finance system that is aligned with my values.
There are just a few important parts left, including where the income comes from. I’ll discuss that in the next update, which will be published at Get Rich Slowly next week. In that article, I’ll discuss alternative forms of work, the financial independence goal, and a few mistakes I’ve made on my nonconformist finance journey.
Thanks for reading this far! I welcome feedback, questions, or disagreements in the comments below.
Chris Guillebeau is a social entrepreneur who writes at The Art of Nonconformity. Over the next five years he will be traveling to every country in the world. You can read more about Chris’s philosophy in his brief guide to world domination.
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This is a thought provoking piece. It seems to me that it is easier for most people to live like non-conformers when they have no children or elderly parents to care for and are themselves in good health.
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Tom:
Borrowing student loans to instead invest it in the market is not a good idea. Chris suggested that student loans are not a good idea, so I was pointing out that they are a good idea. Compared to his alternative, paying for school out of pocket, you could use your out of pocket money and invest it, while simultaneously taking out a student loan to pay your tuition. Trust me, this is what a lot of people do.
By the way, making 12% in the market is not hard, assuming your time horizon is at least 7 years. I keep track of a diversified portfolio on my blog in real-time which is a simple asset allocation, and Mebane Faber (just google him), along with others, has done much quantitative research on this showing greater than S&P 500 returns over every rolling period of at least 7 years with less risk, and over the last 34 years as well. The point: student loans and mortgages are debt, but they are radically different from the debt acquired to buy, say, a TV. As such, they are types of investment debt.
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I don’t donate and don’t really plan to, ever. Maybe I have guilt, maybe I don’t, but I’m not rationalizing. I’m just not interested. I wish people would stop judging others (you have guilt! no, you have guilt!).
I also have 0 debt and am really hesitating on ever buying a new car again, or even a house. It’s great! If myself or S.O. loses our job, we have enough emergency fund to last out the lease, at which point we can move to a cheaper place. Soooo much easier than a mortgage. And comes with a concierge where we’re at right now.
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This was a thought provoking post.
I think that there is a middle ground between “my house will make me rich” and “it’s just a roof over your head” and several commenters have touched on it. A house is an asset and an investment, but I think for most people it’s largest value is not in how much cash can you get out of it, but the value and freedom of eventually not having to make any sort of payment to have a roof over your head. God willing, we’ll be elderly some day and if our retirement dreams don’t come true (the future is uncertain for all of us) we would probably be counting our lucky stars if we were smart enough to invest in a home early enough that by the time we are in old age our housing is secure.
I admit that my planning and thoughts on the future come from a childhood of home insecurity -we were evicted multiple times before I was in middle school- and so I may not be entirely rational. Also because of the way I grew up and the amount of charity we received (emergency food boxes, free clothes, free medical services etc) I also believe in giving generously to worthy charities, I personally try to make sure that my charitable giving (I’m no dummy, I screen organizations carefully) is greater than the amount of money I spend on gifts for friends and family each year. I feel like if I spend more on my friends and family who don’t need my money than I do on the less fortunate that my actions are not lining up with my values.
Your mileage, naturally, may vary.
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I agree with Kevin about the tone of the article, it did read very self-congratulatory and “look at me”. As a naturally unconforming person I have little patience for people who talk and talk about how different they are. I’m always reminded of the South Park episode where the goth kid says “You can’t be a nonconformist if you don’t drink coffee.”
For me, nonconformity is about deciding what is right for you, personally. There’s no point telling everyone about it because what’s right for you won’t be right for others. If you’re looking for validation you’re not much of a nonconformist. Bragging about how many countries you’ve visited or how you were accepted to a prestigious PHD program but decided not to go is looking for validation, not sharing information.
However, I do agree somewhat with Chris’s approach to debt. A house is not the investment most people think it is, and right now I would not buy in most markets. Owning a home is not strictly speaking a liability; housing is a liability, but actual dollar numbers aside paying a mortgage and paying rent are not functionally different. Until you pay off the mortgage or sell (and don’t buy another house) you’re just renting money from the bank. But choosing not to buy doesn’t remove the liability, you still have to pay rent to somebody.
Similarly, a student loan is only good if you can expect to earn a return greater than the interest rate on the debt. This can include non-monetary benefits which are hard to calculate, but even then the question is whether there’s a benefit to going to school now and ending up in debt rather than saving and going later. I have to shake my head at D Albert talking about saving at 3% rather than paying down the debt at 3.6%. That math just doesn’t work! It would be “good” debt if the money saved were being put in something earning more than 3.6%, not less.
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Add my name to the list of people whose first reaction to this article, reinforced throughout its entirety, was: This guy so clearly does not have kids.
Becoming a parent is an intiatory experience, Chris–you have to do it to “get it”. Come on back and let us know what you think when you’ve got a few offspring.
All snideness aside, as a Seattle resident, yes, in this day and age, generally it can pencil out better to rent than buy. (Hi, The Tim! Y’all go check out his Seattle Bubble blog.) Still in the long run, home ownership tends to come out ahead of renting, and I bet that’ll be the case again as the housing hysteria of the last few years shakes out.
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@Kevin, I actually agree with you, in terms of tone. And I agree with Chris on a lot of his points. I don’t think it’s bragging so much as it is self-marketing!
I own a condo (it’s a rental property now), and I would never ever consider it an investment. Unless we’re talking an investment of all my waking hours. It is the albatross around my neck. I felt the same about my car, until I sold it. So what Chris says resonates with me – no debt is good debt for me as well. I would much rather be traveling (though not one country every few days!). I would also much rather the money I put towards the downpayment have gone towards seed money for my own nonprofit.
But I am actually really quite the conformist (just look at my 15% yearly savings towards retirement!).
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I don’t know that it matters that he doesn’t have kids.
Probably, if he did, his priorities might well change, but then he would refocus his money to reflect his priorities – or at least that would be the plan.
And of course, some of us aren’t planning to have any kids anyway.
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A house is never a liability, unless it is NOT mortgaged. Carrying a mortgage provides for tax incentives (itemization and interest, for example) that are simply not available to those that rent. There are many instances when debt is not bad, such as a mortgage for a house that is subletted or rented out, so that others are paying your debt down.
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@ Sam… I’d be interested in seeing where the tax savings outweigh even the interest-only portion of the mortgage. It was my understanding that you only get a small percentage of the interest deducted from your taxes, not the entire amount. Do the other incentives outweigh the deductible interest?
Where I live, I can buy a nice house for about $145,000… let’s call it $150,000 just for good measure. My payment, property taxes and all, would be in the range of $1500/month. I can rent an apartment of approximate value for around $1000/month. So, not only do the incentives need to make up for the $500/month difference, but I’ll also have to earn income on that $500 to get there since that’s my after tax cost. At a round 25% tax rate (low, but it’ll do for the purposes of discussion), that means that I’ll need to make an extra $7500/year just to break even, and all of that is assuming a level market, which, as we all know, it isn’t right now.
As to your second thought, while I agree that others paying the debt down can be advantageous, but there are also factors to consider when renting – maintenance, retaining the tenants (keeping the property leased at all times), etc. These factors could turn an income into an expense. Not owning the house doesn’t have the potential to produce the income, but its also a risk that doesn’t have to be managed.
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This was interesting to me, but to be honest, I was hoping for a little more nonconformity. Giving to charity, paying your way through school, not counting on social security, traveling a lot, and being very wary of a ridiculous housing market–this sounds like lots of people I know. I’d really love to hear from someone who’s kind of off the grid. Now that would be enlightening!
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You can take the entire amount of mortgage interest paid as a deduction unless your mortgage is over a million dollars. It applies to your primary residence, you can’t do it for third and fourth homes, for example. You can also deduct home equity interest.
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I think there’s a bit of confusion about tax deduction vs. tax reduction. Say I pay $15000 in mortgage payments and property taxes. Early in the mortgage, say only $1800 goes to principal payments. The rest goes to tax deductible mortgage interest and property taxes. However, using Todd’s 25% tax rate, I’ll only see about ($15000 – $1800) * .25 = $13200 * .25 or $3400 reduction in my taxes.
So, saying this a bit differently than Todd (but meaning roughly the same thing, I think), can I find an adequate place to live for $15000-$3400 = $11600 or less than 967/month? Some places, yes, some places no. If I can rent a nice enough place for $650/month or $7800/year, then you’re coming out at least $3800/year ahead in pure dollar terms.
And these calculations don’t include maintenance and insurance costs, which only makes the cost of ownership higher. I’m not going to address the other reasons — possible appreciation, forced savings, ownership — that cause people to own their own homes.
Put another way, if the tax deduction makes a mortgage such a great idea without the need for one, I’d be happy to take anyone’s $1 in mortgage interest and give them 25 cents to pay toward their taxes.
The tax deduction is meant to make a mortgage more affordable to more people — it’s not a compelling reason for most people to maintain mortgage debt that they don’t need, unless your tax rate is really high or your interest rate is really low.
Finally, even when you own your home without a mortgage, you’re still paying “rent” — property taxes, insurance, utilities, and maintenance costs in some parts of the US can be quite high.
It was an unhappy realization that we could pay off our mortgage, and only cut our housing/utility/maintenance costs in half, which would have tied up a lot of our capital and not reduced our monthly fixed costs much. Renting would have been cheaper, but we prefer to be the landowners at this time.
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i don’t see the huge nonconformity here either.
on student loans… i think everyone and their brother has made a comment on this but here’s how i see it.
i have been in higher education for 7 years. during that time, i figure i’ve made just over 100k in income. i have taken out a bunch of loans, interest free, to help pay for this so that i can get to the job that pays well, sooner.
i worked a bit in college- made about 30k in 2.5 years- and have a small bundle of student loans from undergrad. i am supported as a phd candidate. but after 8 or so years of this i can start making in the 70k range in a job that i *want* to do. over 15 years and assuming no raises, i have made 645k in income this way, minus my 20k in student loan repayment= 625k. i don’t plan on taking long to pay those off. i want to emphasize- i am doing something i love for almost half of that time.
or, i could have taken 6 years to get my bachelor’s instead of 3. well, i probably could have made 25k per year in some miserable full time gig for 6 years and paid tuition in full. i will ignore the large annual tuition increases and stagnant national wage increases for the sake of argument. i still have support as a full time phd candidate for 5 years. that’s 11 years at 25k per year, assuming no raises. then i have 4 years at 70k for a total of 555k over 15 years and no student loans.
i’m not even factoring in the increased experience and raises that the former path gains over the latter- and let’s not forget that increased income leads to increased ability to save for retirement. and we know the power of compounding makes for the earlier investments to be the most advantageous. you want to earn more, sooner, if possible.
so i’m cool with my student loans, i just don’t want to take out more than i need.
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It’s fun to read such a thoughtful position that comes out in a place so different than most of us.
Since I blog about Socially Responsible investing, let me point out that you don’t have to donate to contribute to social benefit. You can also invest, though http://www.microplace.com in Microfinance, similar to Kiva, but with modest returns, comparable to CD’s. It’s an actual security which you can buy online. Your investment is lent to microfinance clients. Fabulous way to achieve many noble goals, and still make 2/3% on your money.
Thanks for promoting Kiva and modeling enlightened attitudes towards the meaning and use of money.
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I could have taken loans out for my graduate degree and invested the money we have saved instead. I’m still going to pay out of pocket. 2 years, especially in this volatile market, isn’t enough time to guarantee a return over the 6.8% interest on the loans. Also, I would hate to have the time line run out on the loans and have my balance be down due to stock market crazy. If I kept the money in the account it is in now, it would earn about 460 in interest by the time I graduate. So maybe I’m passing up 460 dollars of ‘free’ money. But by doing so I gain peace of mind knowing that if something happens I can stop going to school for a term (or a year) and not have to suddenly repay loans. It also gives me flexibility on the number of classes I take, since the deferred interest loans are offered at my school only for full time students and I might not want to be full time every term depending on thesis load and job prospects.
As for the article being “look at me” toned, I think that’s not what he intended. I’m glad when people share what they are doing and why/how it works for them. It gives ideas and perspective to others who might be looking for a different path from the more conventional “get degree, get job, get spouse, get house, get kid(s), retire at 70.”
Though, as #61 Sara says, it would be cool to see a guest post or two about living more off grid. I love these posts from people who are living differently than many, they are so full of ideas.
As for a house, right now my husband and I rent a 5 bed/4 bath house with two of our best friends. Our total share of bills(including rent, cable tv/internet, electricity, and Water/Sewer) this month came to 754. There is no way we could do that owning a house (especially not in this city, especially not a house this nice, this close in, or this big). Having bills this low allows us to save more money, so for us at this point, a house doesn’t make any sense.
I agree with what others have said about donating time instead of/as well as money. Lots of places really need the help in terms of manpower, not just cash. Also, for unbeatable experiences in traveling, there are tons of programs for volunteering abroad.
Raising up the man beside you doesn’t somehow make you lower… I can’t stand that mentality. Sigh.
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Thank you to Chris and BPT for the links to Kiva.org and Microplace.com. I did not know about these, and will definitely check them out! I’ll also head over and read your blog about socially responsible investing – I am on board with this idea.
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Good points in the article.
I had previously made use of Kiva but stopped because I asked myself “If I am against debt, why am I supporting an organization that encourages people to take on debt, no matter the good intentions.”
The role-model cases of Kiva sound good but there are many people in developing countries who also use the loans in the same manner that North Americans use credit cards.
I admire their aims but I can’t support how they are going about it.
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Thanks, Chris, for your insight. However, if you’re ready for a completely new paradigm, I suggest reading “Busting Loose from the Money Game” by Robert Scheinfeld. If it is a book you align yourself with, you may find your entire piece is rather irrelevant.
I’m looking forward to checking out your brief guide to world domination! Thanks so much for putting yourself out there and speaking your heart!
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I was really surprised to see how many GRS readers agreed with Chris’ position on mortgages/home-ownership. I can see home ownership it doesn’t fit into Chris’ lifestyle, but it seems like he and many GRS commenters are overlooking a very important point about home ownership: it’s a LONG TERM investment.
Most of the negative issues that people have mentioned about home ownership only apply if you look at it as a short term investment. In today’s market a house probably isn’t a good short term investment, but then again neither is an index fund (but at least you get something tangible from a house). In home ownership, you’ve got to look long term to see the real benefit. And those benefits can be huge…
Over a period of 10-20 years as a home owner you are extremely likely to see the value of your home appreciate and the amount of your monthly (fixed) mortgage payments will be significantly less than if you were renting a comparable home since rents will have risen with the market (rents will have risen much higher than property taxes). So, not only will you be paying a lot less each month for housing long term, but you’ll also be able to sell your home at a profit. Of course, during those 10+ years you’ll have also paid down several thousand dollars on your loan, adding to your gain if/when you sell. Oh, and let’s not forget the fact that you could eventually pay the house off in full and not have to pay for a mortgage at all.
All those happy renters who say owning a home is too expensive or too risky need to remember that somebody owns the house that they’re renting. And that person no doubt is enjoying their long term investment.
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Thanks for contributing a thought-provoking piece.
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Plonkee at #58 wrote:
iI don’t know that it matters that he doesn’t have kids.
Probably, if he did, his priorities might well change, but then he would refocus his money to reflect his priorities – or at least that would be the plan.
Yep, exactly–and his priorities and perspectives would be quite a bit different.
And of course, some of us aren’t planning to have any kids anyway.
You zany nonconformists.
Most people do, though, and it does radically chance your perspective on life. Stability, long-term thinking, self-sacrifice, what constitutes contribution to society, all that kind of stuff–quite a bit at odds with the author’s slant.
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@ Angie – Not everyone ends up thinking the same way after having kids. Some reprioritization happens, but many parents are perfectly happy taking their kids traveling with them (without the mortgage).
@ Matt – if one were to pay off the loan in its entirety, who are you to say how a person should spend their money? If you don’t like someone’s “business plan”, then find a different loan to finance.
The arrogance of the developed world never ceases to astound me.
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Excellent post. I think most of the criticisms in the comments exhibit too much defensiveness to be taken seriously. It’s sad, but all too common, to see people blaming their children for constraining their options.
Kiva loans are usually paid off in full and on time, with very little default. Not at all equivalent to US credit card usage as someone suggested above
Grow your Kiva portfolio steadily and see how sweet it is to be able to help so many people in an empowering and non-patronizing way. Remember, you get to churn the repayments back into additional loans. It’s not a tax write off, but the satisfaction of being able to make small loans available to so many businesses in poor countries is very satisfying. We’ve switched almost entirely to Kiva for our charitable giving. We’re up to having the equivalent of 5% of our annual income in our Kiva portfolio without really trying too hard. We’ve had no defaults on loans.
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Actually Angie, not everyone totally changes the way they think. My nonconformist friend is on her way to Indonesia with her 2 yo as I type.
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This is straight up untrue. Since WWII, home prices have tracked inflation. The median price has increased, but so has the size of the median house. Your house is not going to get bigger over time to keep up with the median. If you buy during a bubble it’s unlikely you will ever see a profit in real terms. In Vancouver we didn’t see prices reach the peak of the 1981 bubble until 2007, which was a year before the end of thisbubble.
Yes, over time rents will increase (and hopefully your income will as well) while your mortgage payments stay the same. However, nobody is saying that you should never buy, just that you shouldn’t buy now. Current predictions (based on the Case-Shiller index) are that the US market will bottom in 2010 or later. Why would you buy now and throw away 10, 20 or 30%+ of the price of your house? Even with a 25% down payment you could end up owing more than your house is worth.
In the case of Chris, he likes to not only travel but live different places. The transaction costs of buying and selling houses would eat up any benefits he might get, even in a normal market.
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I think I’d have to disagree with you on the education loans – they can very often be “good” debt and worth the risk. The risk of not going to college is much, much higher.
I do love Kiva, though!
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Hey, at least tell is how you done when you were day trading!!
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I think the important thing here is that the author has consciously decided what his priorities are and then has consciously aligned his finances with those priorities, and he feels this has rewarded him greatly. I personally have different priorities than him, and I would expect that everyone has their own. But I also have made an effort to align my finances with my priorities, and I agree with him that this leads to significant reward and satisfaction. I would encourage everyone to take this approach.
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This is not a financially wise philosophy. I’m sure he enjoys his travels quite a bit, but it’s never a good idea to advise young people to “invest in themselves” by buying airline tickets to Hong Kong and lots of art supplies rather than a house or some tangible asset. He advises against relying on Social Security… so if you want to set up a future for yourself where you don’t need to depend on it, a house might be a good asset to start with.
This post oozes self-importance. Amidst all his “challenging himself” by his charitable giving (this lost me — it’s a completely different issue he lumped in there with making sure your charitable donations are spent efficiently and wisely, which has nothing to do with the effect on the giver), he should make a little time to work on humility.
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@Vanessa:
feh. taking time to work on humility is for conformists.
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Quite a few people are turned off at the prospect of being tied to the mortgage/kids/work/retire/die cycle. Not everyone wants to start a family either. He wrote an article that says this doesn’t have to be the case, and you can still be financially stable. It’s just a matter of being wise with the assets you have to work with.
A house is an asset, because it’s property that can be liquidated easily. That’s what I understand to be the definition of asset. It’s the mortgage that is the liability, and taking on any liability has a risk/benefit equation that has to be thought about. If I don’t like the outcome of that equation in the place I choose to live, I feel I could be putting money in a Roth IRA, my employer’s 401k program, and/or high-yield savings accounts at much less risk, rent my home and not be responsible for repair and maintenance, and be working towards my retirement without banking on Social Security. I fail to see how the essay is unwise financial advice, a mortgage can be just as risky of an investment as any other. It may be worth the risk if you plan on having a family or want to make money owning property, but not everyone does.
Sure, there’s such a thing as good debt. But it’s risky and involved, and it’s more for people that want to own property. But you don’t have to own property to be financially secure.
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deepali, the author of this article states “There is no such thing as good debt” but yet he supports loaning money (via Kiva) to people and therefore encouraging them to take on debt. Doesn’t that sound hypocritical to you?
If you are against something, you shouldn’t be helping other people into the very thing you are opposed to.
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