How to Open Multiple Accounts at ING Direct
Published on - July 2nd, 2008 (Modified on - March 2nd, 2012) (by J.D. Roth) One of my favorite saving techniques is the use of targeted accounts. If I want to save for something big — like a Mini Cooper, for example — I’ll open a new savings account specifically for this purpose. I first learned about this method from Robert Pagliarini’s The Six-Day Financial Makeover:
Traditionally, most people invested for various vague goals and lumped all of their savings together in a single investment account. That’s pretty boring. It’s not very inspiring or effective. Purpose-Driven Investing satisfies our need for a purpose and our need for instant gratification by thinking of each of our goals as a separate “basket”. Each of our baskets represents a single goal with a clear purpose that we can see and grow.
What does this mean in the real world? It means that we have a single investment account for every goal. For example, if one of your goals is to take the family on a European vacation, create a separate savings account called “Family European Vacation Fund”. This account or basket contains all of your savings toward that one goal. Every penny in the account is for the European vacation — not for retirement, a new car, your emergency fund, your kids’ college tuition, or any other goal.
I like this idea, and have been using it ever since I saved for my Nintendo Wii.
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Until recently, I kept my targeted savings accounts at the local credit union where they earned me a paltry 0.35%. For the past few months, Get Rich Slowly readers have been urging me to move all of my savings to ING Direct, which is where I keep my emergency fund. “It’s easy,” my readers tell me. “You can open multiple accounts, give them any name you want, and track them all from the same screen. You can even open a checking account!”
Last month, I finally overcame inertia to try this myself. My readers were right: opening multiple accounts at ING Direct is easy. (It’s probably easy at FNBO Direct and many other online banks, as well.)
Step one: Choose an account
First, I logged into my ING Direct account summary page. From there, I clicked the big “Open an Account” button.
I was directed to a page listing a variety of available accounts, including business and retirement accounts. Because I wanted to open another savings account, that’s the option I selected.
On the next screen, I was asked to further refine the account type:
Step two: Fund the account
Next came the good part: I selected how much I wanted to put into the account and where those funds would come from. I was also able to give the new account a nickname. Since I was opening these extra accounts specifically for targeted saving, it makes sense to name each one based on my goal.
Finally, I had to agree to the terms and conditions of the account.
Step three: Wait
Then the waiting began. Because ING Direct had to “pull” the money from my credit union, it took several days for the cash to transfer to my accounts. At first they appeared empty:
After the money had transferred, it was easy for me to track all of my savings goals in one place.
Next on my list? Exploring ING Direct’s certificates of deposit and business accounts.
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Thank you to all of the readers who suggested this. I don’t know why I took so long to try it. I’m sure this technique isn’t limited to ING Direct. I was doing something similar at my local credit union (though without the pretty interface, account nicknames, or high interest rates), so I suspect that other online banks offer similar functionality.
Not everyone needs multiple accounts to save for goals. My wife, for example, is perfectly content with a single gigantic savings account for everything. But for me, being able to separate funds like this is awesome. It keeps me motivated to save. And because it doesn’t cost me a penny, I’m happy to do it.
Note: This article was originally scheduled to appear on June 12th, but Trent at The Simple Dollar posted his handy (and similar) guide to budgeting with an online bank that day, so I delayed my story for a few weeks.
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@Frugal Bachelor: Ah, yes, that’s the dilemma: simplicity vs. convenience. For me, either choice is about making my life easier. In this case, having multiple accounts does that, but I can certainly see your point, too. If these were multiple accounts at different institutions, I wouldn’t do it…
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I’ve had an account at ING for a while, but didn’t feel comfortable playing around with adding a sub-account, so I phoned them and the guy walked me through it. I opened a second account and then chose nicknames for each account. (Emergency Fund and Vacation, as it happens.) It only took a couple of minutes.
Now, if they only had Sharebuilder in Canada. Right now all they offer is mutual funds.
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I do this as well with ING. It was a great way to inspire my husband to save for a big purchase he wants.
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Thank you for the information on online banking folks. I feel better about it now.
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There is nothing reassuring about investments these days, be it stocks or bonds…
I highly recommend saving accounts at the moment until the financial market bottoms out and oil stabilizes.
Jeff
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I have been using ING since July 2001. I already have an Electric account and two Savings accounts. The two I have now are for Non-monthly expenses and emergencies. After reading I’m thinking about adding one for vacations and Christmas.
I like being able to log in and see all my balances in front of me at one time.
Thanks for another good article!
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For Quicken users,Quicken’s “Savings Goals” are the way to go for this topic. Same results, and not nearly as tied to one financial institution.
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I’ve been a loyal ING user for many years, and I too use this same technique! My significant other doesn’t like this technique and I’ve always wondered why (see my post: http://socalsavvy.blogspot.com/2008/06/him-vs-me.html ).
I think I like have different accounts because it makes me feel like I’ve got more control over my money. Why do other people like this technique?
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In my opinion HSBC makes opening accounts a real pain. When I opened mine I was sent various pieces of critical information via mail some of which never showed up. I still can’t log in to my account
(really need to get that stuff fixed)
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Maybe it’s just me, but isn’t the benefit of having a high interest rate tied to the concept of compound interest? If you have your money spread out through different accounts they will not be compounding and thus not returning as much interest.
Wouldn’t it be better to keep all of your savings in one account earning and compounding interest?
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JD, your post inspired me to add another ING account. Now I have “Emergency Fund” and “Vacations.” Let’s just hope I don’t give in to temptation and start funding the latter with the former…:)
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@Jeremy: compounding only works if the interest is left in the account to earn further interest in addition to the principal (plus any other deposits). It does not matter if this is a lump sum or in several accounts. The interest rate is fixed among all accounts. What you are referencing sounds more like a tiered interest format where the more you have the higher the rate. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter how the funds are allocated the end result is equal.
See posts 29 & 40 for illustrated evidence
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percentages work no matter how they are divided up. 3% of something is the same no matter if that something is a lump sum or 1 lump sum divided in thirds.
Also, I meant to illustrate some of the ways I use it. I have an ING EO checking account, Emergency fund, Medical fund (I didn’t like flexible spending), child 1, 2, and 3 earnings, wife’s overtime play money, beef (for purchasing my cow every October, and my water bill which is quarterly. I will probably open up more as I think about odd-payed bills like water. I just recently started the water account.
ING is simply the easiest to work with. My paycheck is direct deposited so no wait on transfers. The service support is excellent.
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For what it is worth, I did another round of research on my “International Savings Account” concept.
Looks like the Isle of Man is the place for this sort of thing. Some of the banks have relatively low minimum balances, such as US$2000.
Do a search for “international savings accounts”.
Here’s
TwoThree:http://www.bbi.co.im/offshore-savings-accounts/
http://www.kaupthingsingers.co.im/accounts/internet-accounts/savings
http://www.nationwideinternational.com/accounts/accounts_euro_glance.htm
What I haven’t figured out yet is if there is something like a “Visa Check Card” to go with them.
And note that I’m not trying to look at this as an investment vehicle, but as a means to get a little more value out of our US$ for future European travel.
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Thanks for the tip, J.D!
Unfortunately, I’m reluctant to do this because I have a BofA account, and they seem to charge $2 each time you transfer money to an external account. Does your credit union do this?
Anybody find a way around this? (I guess $2 sounds like a lot to some people, but I have issues with banks charging me to remove money out of MY account.)
Thanks.
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Well that had better not be the case with BofA accounts. I have been using LaSalle Bank with my ING account. LaSalle was recently acquired by BofA so I would surely switch my brick and mortar bank if they started to pull something like that with me. I’ve been a loyal customer for a decade but I’d drop them in a heartbeat if they don’t remain loyal to me.
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Hey I don’t know if ING has been paying attention to this blog or if it is just a matter of timing, but there is now a link on your accounts page that simply says “add another account” I have been using them since 2003 and have always thought they should have an easier method of opening multiple accounts. I recommend ING to everyone that has trouble saving money on their own. Also I use BofA to link to ING and they have never charged a transfer fee.
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It used to be that you simply clicked “Open a new account” on the left. I’m going to say that they added the “add account” a month or two ago? It’s not been there a real long time but long before this blog was authored (this article).
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I’m glad I amused some of you by my “the internet may blow up” comment.
I just opened up an ING savings account and named it Vacation. I deposited $100 in it. I’m hoping that in the next 1-2 years, I can go to Alaska! Thanks for the great tips.
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We bank with ETrade which has no provision for separate accounts. But we accomplish this bookeeping function in MS Money – it just dawned on me to start doing this last week.
After depositing into savings, we “withdraw” a certain amount to transfer to our “house projects” and “car payoff” accounts. It’s easier to stay focused that way, for sure. Great topic, J.D.!
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I haven’t used ING but you have a great idea. I think people think it is hard to manage different accounts but my thinking is if you only have one savings account. It is so easy to pull money from that one account. You need separate accounts so it is harder for you to get at the money. At least maybe mentally harder.
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Just be careful with too many transfers from these savings accounts. There is a federal limit of three transfers (withdrawls) from these savings accounts per month.
My wife and I were using this method to work with our finances by separating them into categories. We kept our main money in a main savings (to get the better interest rate), and then had individual items for our expenses. We ended up making many transactions from this main account, which put us over the transaction limit and were informed that the accounts would be closed if we ended up doing it again.
We’ve been more deliberate now, so everything is cool, but I thought I would post the warning.
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Actually Regulation D allows 6 transfers per month, but only 3 can be by check. I’m not sure if it counts against sub-accounts though. Possibly the ING Savings is one big account that ING allows you to use virtually? Unlike my main bank account, they do not mention Regulation D at all so maybe you can transfer between the ING accounts without issue.
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@Patrick: The “subaccounts are actually entirely new accounts, therefore, each account has it’s own limit on transfers. I believe the limit on transfers applies to true EFT transactions between separate institutions, not transfers between accounts held withing the same institution. However, for all accounts held in the same institution with the same titling (ie: an individual accountholder) the total of all accounts up to $100,000 will be insured. Anything over that amount in total will be uninsured. The FDIC has a nice little PDF that explains the whole insurance thing: http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/deposits/insured/yid.pdf
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I just did this on ING. It was really easy and fast. I haven’t tried using targeted accounts before, but I can definitely see the advantages. Thanks for the idea, J.D.
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I am an international student, residing in the US with an SSN and a US address. But ING won’t let me open an account
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Who can open an account?
HSBC Direct: You must…have a U.S. Social Security Number or Personal Tax ID number
ING Direct: You must be a US citizen or permanent resident…
There were more than 500,000 international students enrolled in US institutions in 2006-07. Guess which bank they choose?
ING, wake up!
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Transfer fees:
Fees for ACH pulls and pushes are based upon the originating institution. If you go to ING’s site, and set up a “pull” from BoA, there will be no fee on either end. However, if you go to BoA’s site and set up a “push” to ING, BoA will charge you a fee.
BoA, the last time I checked, does not charge a fee to “pull” money into BoA, only to “push” money out. So, it doesn’t matter which bank’s site you go to for moving money from ING to BoA. I have noticed that BoA may make the funds available a little sooner if you use BoA to pull, instead of ING to push.
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So I understand HOW to open multiple account at ING, but my question is, do they treat them all as separate accounts? What I’m asking is does each account accrue interest individually, or do thy could it as one lump sum? To me it makes sense to have one account that is accruing a larger amount of interest than a bunch of small accounts accruing separate smaller amounts of interest.
This method, though, would probably be most effective for people who can’t just have one account and realize this one account is for all the things they want.
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I spoke with someone at ING in regards to Regulation D and he said very clearly that these are separate accounts and not sub-accounts. They do accrue interest separately, but you make the same money if it’s 5 small piles or 1 large one. 3% is 3%.
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I guess I was looking at it more small picture than big picture. Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
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Thanks for this. I’ve had an Orange Account for a few months now, but I wanted to separate some funds for a trip I’m taking soon. Good deal
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I am starting to gain interest in doing this as well, but am hesitant because of Federal Regulation D. I am with HSBC so I did some research on their site. From their FAQ regarding transfers, it appears regulation D only applies to transfers FROM a savings account.
My check is direct deposited into my checking account so I think I will be ok transferring from my checking account into my savings subaccounts.
On a similar note, I wish the banks would just allow you to create “virtual” accounts underneath a primary account. It would probably eliminate a lot of paperwork on their side.
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Thanks so much for linking back to this… I didn’t want to have accounts at two different places, but I wanted to be able to easily see how much money I had saved towards and car and an emergency fund. Love the blog, read it all the time!
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I was researching a new way to save and the posts are very encouraging and informative. THANKS EVERYONE!!! I think that I am going to open an acct with ING very soon!
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Is there a way to transfer money between sub-accounts? I sent up a general find, which I like to call “Life Savings” and then a few months later I learned of the sub-account function – which I love! I would like to spread out my “Life Savings” money between these few sub-accounts. Is that possible? Or can I only add money through my linked account? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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You might look at EverBank for foreign currency options. They offer options like cd’s in foreign currencies if I read their web page correctly. Not a customer but have seen other recommend them for the foreign options. They also have options for gold products.
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J.D.
Question about interest on multiple accounts. While using multiple ING accounts, are you missing accruing interest because you have many small sums of money, as opposed to one large sum? I am not sure how the interest works with this type of system.
Nick
P.S. My wife an I just bought a home by using a down payment we saved up for by using an online savings account (Dollar Savings Direct) and temporarily increasing our income by taking a second job during the summer. Beginning in Feb. of 2009 we had $0.00 saved up for a home. We now (Sept. of 2009) have $13,000.00 which we will bring to the closing table at the end of the month. Thanks for you help getting us to this point.
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@Bri – I’m sorry. I just saw your comment and I’m hoping you still don’t need the answer, but yes, you can transfer money easily between sub-accounts with the Transfer Money button at the top, just like you would from a linked account.
@Nick – Interest is a percentage and percentages work no matter how you divide them up. 10% of $10 is $1. 10% of $5 in two accounts is .50 each or $1.
Interest should work that way no matter the system as long as both sub-accounts receive the same interest rate. The checking account rate is lower than the savings accounts, for instance. However, all the ING saving sub-accounts earn the same rate as each other.
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I just checked out ingdirect.com and it said they only allow downloading the account data to quicken and money. With money gone, that leaves only quicken, which I hate. Yuck.
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Count me as another satisfied ING’er too! Automating my savings really helped me save a good chunk of change that I would have never saved if not for automation. It always feels good to look at my ING account, although I still need to ratchet down and save more.
Having multiple accounts is a great idea. An idea I’ll ‘take to the bank’ today.
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I’m a little less satisfied with the “bucket” experience at ING, but it may have had something to do with my implementation (would love feedback).
I created several bucket accounts. My goal was to bring a lump sum in from my checking account each month to a main savings account, and then distribute via transfers to my bucket accounts after applying a percentage which I would define for my goals at the beginning of the month.
The system worked fine until I got a letter from ING stating that my accounts might be closed due to a Federal law regarding transfers to / from savings accounts.
It seems that despite the amounts being less than $100 99% of the time, that many transfers sets off a flag and if you do that for more than 2 months in a row, they’re required to close your account. At least that’s what the letter said.
So for now, I’ve created a spreadsheet to break up the large sum that’s in my one savings account. Just wanted to alert other readers to what could be a potential issue though!
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Sean,
I’m sorry to hear about your experience but what you ran into is what we talk about up above in the comments. It’s called Regulation D and it is a Federal law. You can deposit as much as you want into those savings accounts (doesn’t affect checking) but you can only withdraw from any savings account up to 5 times a month. Any more than that and the government assumes that you are a money-laundering drug dealer. How’s that war on drugs going for you? . Each savings account gets 5 shots a month with ING as they are all considered seperate savings accounts. And again, this only affects withdraws from savings accounts. They allow you to deposit as much as you want. This is not ING’s fault. All banks will tell you about Regulation D if you do a search on their website.
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I had the same experience as Sean and have also implemented a spreadsheet. As we started having so many savings subaccounts, the spreadsheet is actually a much easier way to maintain how much we’ve saved for each subaccount. I’ve even included the savings goals and broke them into annual, monthly, and per pay period amounts.
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Most credit unions offer what they call Custom Savings Accounts. This is where you can have several accounts for whatever purpose you choose; and even have an automatic transfer every week, two weeks, month, whatever, from your direct deposit. Its just like the Christmas Savings Club of years and years ago. I do it and it works.
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In theory I think this is a smart tactic, and especially since it’s worked for you before.
However, personally, having one personal checking, one business checking and one ING Savings is enough. I like to keep it simple.
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