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		<title>By: Patti C</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/07/14/easy-and-cheap-home-made-bread/comment-page-2/#comment-2807792</link>
		<dc:creator>Patti C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little old topic now, but always timely.  Slow-risen bread, even using all purpose flour, is healthier than the grocery store chopped and preformed manufactured loaves rise. Slow rising makes the wheat more digestible.

And yes, bread can be made from flour and water. Knead some water with flour and leave it alone awhile, and it will start to rise. Passover breadmakers have to work fast because flour and water dough will rise on its own.

Stuff like oil and salt slow down and control rising.

I have a starter that I made from some Gold Medal White Flour without yeast. You don&#039;t need yeast.  You can make a starter with yeast if you want and just keep using that. Feed it with flour and/or sugars several hours before you make the main dough.

 I have discovered high heat is the key to bread baking. I didn&#039;t like the bread machine that I got rid of years ago. Now I bake my bread in a flat pizza oven with a slide out tray like some convenience stores use.  My bread is ready in 10 to 15 minutes. 

I usually bake bread flat, like pizza, but I can bake it as high as I can fit it in the pizza oven.

The little oven is also great  for potatoes, which really need high heat to break  them down and make them digestible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little old topic now, but always timely.  Slow-risen bread, even using all purpose flour, is healthier than the grocery store chopped and preformed manufactured loaves rise. Slow rising makes the wheat more digestible.</p>
<p>And yes, bread can be made from flour and water. Knead some water with flour and leave it alone awhile, and it will start to rise. Passover breadmakers have to work fast because flour and water dough will rise on its own.</p>
<p>Stuff like oil and salt slow down and control rising.</p>
<p>I have a starter that I made from some Gold Medal White Flour without yeast. You don&#8217;t need yeast.  You can make a starter with yeast if you want and just keep using that. Feed it with flour and/or sugars several hours before you make the main dough.</p>
<p> I have discovered high heat is the key to bread baking. I didn&#8217;t like the bread machine that I got rid of years ago. Now I bake my bread in a flat pizza oven with a slide out tray like some convenience stores use.  My bread is ready in 10 to 15 minutes. </p>
<p>I usually bake bread flat, like pizza, but I can bake it as high as I can fit it in the pizza oven.</p>
<p>The little oven is also great  for potatoes, which really need high heat to break  them down and make them digestible.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.D. - Regarding your quest for the best whole wheat bread, have you been to the Dave&#039;s Killer Bread outlet across from Bob&#039;s Red Mill in Milwaukie?  You can by imperfects and &#039;day olds&#039; at a great price.

We buy 12 x loaves at a time to get an extra discount and freeze most of it.  Comes out to ~$2.20 to ~$2.50 / loaf for excellent organic bread.  It is usually &gt; $4 / loaf at the grocery store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.D. &#8211; Regarding your quest for the best whole wheat bread, have you been to the Dave&#8217;s Killer Bread outlet across from Bob&#8217;s Red Mill in Milwaukie?  You can by imperfects and &#8216;day olds&#8217; at a great price.</p>
<p>We buy 12 x loaves at a time to get an extra discount and freeze most of it.  Comes out to ~$2.20 to ~$2.50 / loaf for excellent organic bread.  It is usually &gt; $4 / loaf at the grocery store.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another recipe that I believe sounds a bit easier than yours.

Mix ~10oz water, 1/2 tsp yeast, ~1 tbsp honey, and some flour (enough to make it paste like in texture) in a bowl.  Set in fridge overnight.

Add another 1/2 tsp yeast, and start mixing in more flour until dough is appropriate texture, tacky but not sticky.  Set on plate on counter for ~1 hour.

Lightly oil bottom and sides of bread pan.  Knead dough for a minute or two. Roll dough into cylinder to fit in bread pan.  Run hot water in another pan.  Put dough on baking rack in oven, and hot water below dough.  Close oven door and leave off.  Check back in about 1 1/2 hours to see how far dough has risen.  If it is near the top of the bread pan turn oven on to 350 for 27 minutes (I just leave it in while preheating, also leave water pan in).  When timer goes off, take out of oven.  You can leave it in the bread pan for a bit before you take it out, or you can take it out and wrap in foil right away.

I like this because it give me bread in a consistent cross section that I can make sandwiches out of all week for my girlfriend and me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another recipe that I believe sounds a bit easier than yours.</p>
<p>Mix ~10oz water, 1/2 tsp yeast, ~1 tbsp honey, and some flour (enough to make it paste like in texture) in a bowl.  Set in fridge overnight.</p>
<p>Add another 1/2 tsp yeast, and start mixing in more flour until dough is appropriate texture, tacky but not sticky.  Set on plate on counter for ~1 hour.</p>
<p>Lightly oil bottom and sides of bread pan.  Knead dough for a minute or two. Roll dough into cylinder to fit in bread pan.  Run hot water in another pan.  Put dough on baking rack in oven, and hot water below dough.  Close oven door and leave off.  Check back in about 1 1/2 hours to see how far dough has risen.  If it is near the top of the bread pan turn oven on to 350 for 27 minutes (I just leave it in while preheating, also leave water pan in).  When timer goes off, take out of oven.  You can leave it in the bread pan for a bit before you take it out, or you can take it out and wrap in foil right away.</p>
<p>I like this because it give me bread in a consistent cross section that I can make sandwiches out of all week for my girlfriend and me.</p>
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		<title>By: alysse age 12</title>
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		<dc:creator>alysse age 12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can you make bread from just flour and water ??? and can someone tell me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can you make bread from just flour and water ??? and can someone tell me</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are currently living in Mongolia (no kidding, been here a year and two more to go!).  There is no one-stop shopping here and after several months of purchasing various kinds of store bread, yogurt, and hamburger meat, I didn&#039;t find any I liked and quality and source of origin is questionable to say the least.  I ordered a yogurt maker, a bread machine, a scale, and a meat grinder on-line.  We use all three with a transformer and have great results.  

We buy steak meat in the local market (not super market, but a large enclosed warehouse type of building which sells all types of food stuff.  Meat is displayed on slabs and we have found Mongolian beef to be the best we&#039;ve ever eaten anywhere.  We purchase 5kg of steak meat every two to three weeks and spend under $40.   After we get home, we slice some of the steak strips for steak, some for stir fry, and the rest we grind to make chili, spaghetti, or lasagna.  

I usually make a loaf of bread each week, and yogurt every two to three days.  I will try adapting the recipes here for our bread maker.  Our fresh yogurt (made in small baby-food sized jars) has taken the place of ice cream as dessert.  Not only more healthy, but much tastier!

Following JD&#039;s advice, we are now grocery shopping every other week.  I love the savings in $$$ and in time. 

Thanks everyone for sharing your advice and recipes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are currently living in Mongolia (no kidding, been here a year and two more to go!).  There is no one-stop shopping here and after several months of purchasing various kinds of store bread, yogurt, and hamburger meat, I didn&#8217;t find any I liked and quality and source of origin is questionable to say the least.  I ordered a yogurt maker, a bread machine, a scale, and a meat grinder on-line.  We use all three with a transformer and have great results.  </p>
<p>We buy steak meat in the local market (not super market, but a large enclosed warehouse type of building which sells all types of food stuff.  Meat is displayed on slabs and we have found Mongolian beef to be the best we&#8217;ve ever eaten anywhere.  We purchase 5kg of steak meat every two to three weeks and spend under $40.   After we get home, we slice some of the steak strips for steak, some for stir fry, and the rest we grind to make chili, spaghetti, or lasagna.  </p>
<p>I usually make a loaf of bread each week, and yogurt every two to three days.  I will try adapting the recipes here for our bread maker.  Our fresh yogurt (made in small baby-food sized jars) has taken the place of ice cream as dessert.  Not only more healthy, but much tastier!</p>
<p>Following JD&#8217;s advice, we are now grocery shopping every other week.  I love the savings in $$$ and in time. </p>
<p>Thanks everyone for sharing your advice and recipes!</p>
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		<title>By: Isabelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make bread and have made our bread for more than two years.  We like wholemeal bread and this is my recipe.

I make double the amount in one mix.

1 lb wholemeal flour
1 teaspoon mix with the flour yeast
1 teaspoon sugar
half a teaspoon of salt
1 tablespoon of oil of your choice
11 fluid ounces warm water

Mix all this together thoroughly, DO NOT KNEAD, put it in a loaf tin and allow to rise.

Cook as any other bread.

DELISH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make bread and have made our bread for more than two years.  We like wholemeal bread and this is my recipe.</p>
<p>I make double the amount in one mix.</p>
<p>1 lb wholemeal flour<br />
1 teaspoon mix with the flour yeast<br />
1 teaspoon sugar<br />
half a teaspoon of salt<br />
1 tablespoon of oil of your choice<br />
11 fluid ounces warm water</p>
<p>Mix all this together thoroughly, DO NOT KNEAD, put it in a loaf tin and allow to rise.</p>
<p>Cook as any other bread.</p>
<p>DELISH!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using the CI recipe, and found it works great, once I added more flour.  The 15 oz. they recommended left me with a sticky dough I couldn&#039;t knead, so I use 15.5 oz.  Sometimes the dough is still slightly sticky, but not unworkable.  I also use a honey beer to make the bread a little sweeter than using a standard pale ale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using the CI recipe, and found it works great, once I added more flour.  The 15 oz. they recommended left me with a sticky dough I couldn&#8217;t knead, so I use 15.5 oz.  Sometimes the dough is still slightly sticky, but not unworkable.  I also use a honey beer to make the bread a little sweeter than using a standard pale ale.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading your blog for a while now, but am a little behind on the posts.  This one was particularly fun, because the day after you posted this, I began making my own homemade bread.  My recipe makes 3 loaves, so I can have one to be eaten fresh and freeze two to be used as needed (or give them away if there&#039;s someone who would be blessed by a great loaf of bread).  Thanks for the post.

Always love reading your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading your blog for a while now, but am a little behind on the posts.  This one was particularly fun, because the day after you posted this, I began making my own homemade bread.  My recipe makes 3 loaves, so I can have one to be eaten fresh and freeze two to be used as needed (or give them away if there&#8217;s someone who would be blessed by a great loaf of bread).  Thanks for the post.</p>
<p>Always love reading your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/07/14/easy-and-cheap-home-made-bread/comment-page-2/#comment-140890</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, everyone,

Try to use bread maker, for example Panasonic SD 255. I own one over six months. Fast and simple to make, recipes included.

From Russia with love,
Pavel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, everyone,</p>
<p>Try to use bread maker, for example Panasonic SD 255. I own one over six months. Fast and simple to make, recipes included.</p>
<p>From Russia with love,<br />
Pavel</p>
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		<title>By: Laura B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicki - 

I use Pyrex whenever I make no-knead breads (because I&#039;m too lazy to get a new handle for my beautiful dutch oven).  Some people recommend making an edge liner of tin foil to keep everything in, but I haven&#039;t found that necessary.  My Pyrex is from the 70&#039;s, though; I&#039;m not sure if newer Pyrex would work as well/be safe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicki &#8211; </p>
<p>I use Pyrex whenever I make no-knead breads (because I&#8217;m too lazy to get a new handle for my beautiful dutch oven).  Some people recommend making an edge liner of tin foil to keep everything in, but I haven&#8217;t found that necessary.  My Pyrex is from the 70&#8242;s, though; I&#8217;m not sure if newer Pyrex would work as well/be safe!</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad is correct - the long rising makes the flavor.  I think Cook&#039;s Illustrated created a &quot;problem&quot; when they tried to speed up the recipe so they compensted with beer.  I&#039;ve made it both ways and I like the original better - besides, I&#039;d rather drink my beer than eat it.

I shape my loaves on unsprayed parchment and dump them into the pre-heated pots without the parchment.  When I tried it the CI way, baking the parchment to preserve the shape, I didn&#039;t think the loaf browned as evenly.  I personally prefer the rustic shape with an evenly browned crust.

As for the baking containers, I use an 8-quart stainless steel stew pot with a heavy bottom and an iron lid (the glass lid the pot came with is only rated to 450 and I bake at 475).  If I make two loaves at once, I use a regular cast-iron (not enameled) dutch oven for the second loaf and it works well, too.  I pre-heat both pot and lid but separately, not with the lid covering the pot.  

I use 10 oz bread flour, 5 oz whole wheat, 12 oz water (slightly warmed in microwave to compensate for our cold house, about 58-60 in winter) 7 grams salt and 1 gram yeast.  Combine, cover with plastic wrap and leave overnight.  If I don&#039;t have time to bake it when it seems ready, I just punch it down and bake a few hours later.  The texture is not quite as good (big holes) but still very delicious.  30 minutes at 475 with lid, 20 minutes same temp without lid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad is correct &#8211; the long rising makes the flavor.  I think Cook&#8217;s Illustrated created a &#8220;problem&#8221; when they tried to speed up the recipe so they compensted with beer.  I&#8217;ve made it both ways and I like the original better &#8211; besides, I&#8217;d rather drink my beer than eat it.</p>
<p>I shape my loaves on unsprayed parchment and dump them into the pre-heated pots without the parchment.  When I tried it the CI way, baking the parchment to preserve the shape, I didn&#8217;t think the loaf browned as evenly.  I personally prefer the rustic shape with an evenly browned crust.</p>
<p>As for the baking containers, I use an 8-quart stainless steel stew pot with a heavy bottom and an iron lid (the glass lid the pot came with is only rated to 450 and I bake at 475).  If I make two loaves at once, I use a regular cast-iron (not enameled) dutch oven for the second loaf and it works well, too.  I pre-heat both pot and lid but separately, not with the lid covering the pot.  </p>
<p>I use 10 oz bread flour, 5 oz whole wheat, 12 oz water (slightly warmed in microwave to compensate for our cold house, about 58-60 in winter) 7 grams salt and 1 gram yeast.  Combine, cover with plastic wrap and leave overnight.  If I don&#8217;t have time to bake it when it seems ready, I just punch it down and bake a few hours later.  The texture is not quite as good (big holes) but still very delicious.  30 minutes at 475 with lid, 20 minutes same temp without lid.</p>
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		<title>By: flaime</title>
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		<dc:creator>flaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad - Bittman&#039;s basic recipe as printed in the Times uses all purpose flour. That&#039;s why it&#039;s bland. You are using a specialty flour that will have more flavor on it&#039;s own.

Suggestions for JD:

For the flour - use 2 cups bread flour, 1 cup whole wheat flour, and 3 tablespoons of soy flour. This will create a better and deeper flavor, while giving you what is essentially whole wheat bread (whole wheat flour cannot be used alone as it incapable of developing sufficient gluten to rise. Any baker who tells you that they only use whole wheat flour in their bread is lying, unless they server dense, flat bread). 

You can also add a quarter of a crushed vitamin C tablet to reinforce gluten formation. This will give your bread better structure. 

If you ever decide you want to look at the cooking of bread more closely, I suggest you check Shirley Corriher&#039;s Cookwise out of the library and read the first section, which is about bread. She explains the science behind baking bread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad &#8211; Bittman&#8217;s basic recipe as printed in the Times uses all purpose flour. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s bland. You are using a specialty flour that will have more flavor on it&#8217;s own.</p>
<p>Suggestions for JD:</p>
<p>For the flour &#8211; use 2 cups bread flour, 1 cup whole wheat flour, and 3 tablespoons of soy flour. This will create a better and deeper flavor, while giving you what is essentially whole wheat bread (whole wheat flour cannot be used alone as it incapable of developing sufficient gluten to rise. Any baker who tells you that they only use whole wheat flour in their bread is lying, unless they server dense, flat bread). </p>
<p>You can also add a quarter of a crushed vitamin C tablet to reinforce gluten formation. This will give your bread better structure. </p>
<p>If you ever decide you want to look at the cooking of bread more closely, I suggest you check Shirley Corriher&#8217;s Cookwise out of the library and read the first section, which is about bread. She explains the science behind baking bread.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how anyone could conclude that the basic Bittman no-knead loaf is &quot;bland.&quot; I make it with organic bread flour (made from red wheat) and the flavor is incredible just on its own: flour, salt, yeast, and water. The secret to the flavor is to use good wheat and the long, slow rise time. Even all-purpose white flour makes good bread this way, but bread flour makes a noticeable difference.

With recipes like this, I find it&#039;s a good idea to follow the recipe exactly the first time, just to see what it&#039;s supposed to be like, before you try experimenting or substituting ingredients. When I follow this recipe exactly, using nothing but good bread flour, the result is so extraordinary that the only variation I&#039;ve ever done is to use 25 percent to 30 percent whole wheat. Whenever we serve this bread to guests they always ask us what bakery we got it from; it&#039;s as good or better than any of the bread I&#039;ve eaten from the best bakeries where I live (Montreal) or in France.

To answer Charlotte&#039;s questions above, preheating the dutch oven is crucial because you want it to be piping hot when you put the dough inside and cover the lid. That creates the browning and steaming necessary to produce the amazing crust on this bread. You can&#039;t use a bread pan and get the same results -- you need a covered container with room for the steam to develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how anyone could conclude that the basic Bittman no-knead loaf is &#8220;bland.&#8221; I make it with organic bread flour (made from red wheat) and the flavor is incredible just on its own: flour, salt, yeast, and water. The secret to the flavor is to use good wheat and the long, slow rise time. Even all-purpose white flour makes good bread this way, but bread flour makes a noticeable difference.</p>
<p>With recipes like this, I find it&#8217;s a good idea to follow the recipe exactly the first time, just to see what it&#8217;s supposed to be like, before you try experimenting or substituting ingredients. When I follow this recipe exactly, using nothing but good bread flour, the result is so extraordinary that the only variation I&#8217;ve ever done is to use 25 percent to 30 percent whole wheat. Whenever we serve this bread to guests they always ask us what bakery we got it from; it&#8217;s as good or better than any of the bread I&#8217;ve eaten from the best bakeries where I live (Montreal) or in France.</p>
<p>To answer Charlotte&#8217;s questions above, preheating the dutch oven is crucial because you want it to be piping hot when you put the dough inside and cover the lid. That creates the browning and steaming necessary to produce the amazing crust on this bread. You can&#8217;t use a bread pan and get the same results &#8212; you need a covered container with room for the steam to develop.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.D.,

Do you spray the dough on top or just the parchment paper?

Why do you start with 500 temperature then lower to 425? I have a convection oven which theoretically has a constant temperature. Can I just set it to 425? I don&#039;t want to heat up the house too much. Also, why do you have to pre-heat 30 min. in advance? Does it make a difference or you just meant enough time to reach the temperature?

Thanks,
Charlotte</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.D.,</p>
<p>Do you spray the dough on top or just the parchment paper?</p>
<p>Why do you start with 500 temperature then lower to 425? I have a convection oven which theoretically has a constant temperature. Can I just set it to 425? I don&#8217;t want to heat up the house too much. Also, why do you have to pre-heat 30 min. in advance? Does it make a difference or you just meant enough time to reach the temperature?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Charlotte</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article, I can&#039;t wait to try this out.  I&#039;ve come here through outside links a few times, and I think I&#039;m going to have to subscribe.  You&#039;ve got a lot of clever articles.</description>
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		<title>By: Narinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Narinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was amused to see this post because I had just baked my own loaf of bread on Sunday--what a funny coincidence! I started baking bread in college for the sheer novelty of it, but I became addicted to it. I have a batch of dough rising in the fridge right now (I made the dough this morning and will bake it tonight) and I think I&#039;m going to experiment with cinnamon rolls next. 

I never said I did it for health reasons. :n)

Also: I love the variety in your posts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was amused to see this post because I had just baked my own loaf of bread on Sunday&#8211;what a funny coincidence! I started baking bread in college for the sheer novelty of it, but I became addicted to it. I have a batch of dough rising in the fridge right now (I made the dough this morning and will bake it tonight) and I think I&#8217;m going to experiment with cinnamon rolls next. </p>
<p>I never said I did it for health reasons. :n)</p>
<p>Also: I love the variety in your posts!</p>
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		<title>By: Coupon Artist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coupon Artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds great!  I make a lot of homemade bread in my breadmaker (purchased at a garage sale for $5) and I love the way the house smells!  Do you also make homemade jam to put on top?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds great!  I make a lot of homemade bread in my breadmaker (purchased at a garage sale for $5) and I love the way the house smells!  Do you also make homemade jam to put on top?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious to know if anyone has used pyrex?  Bittman mentioned that pyrex could be used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious to know if anyone has used pyrex?  Bittman mentioned that pyrex could be used.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Mansfield</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/07/14/easy-and-cheap-home-made-bread/comment-page-1/#comment-140259</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just added a link to your post in our newest &quot;Cast Iron Around the Web&quot; entry at http://www.cookingincastiron.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just added a link to your post in our newest &#8220;Cast Iron Around the Web&#8221; entry at <a href="http://www.cookingincastiron.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cookingincastiron.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: STL Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>STL Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pizza dough is a great way to start making your own bread.  In the summer, you can even cook your pizzas on the grill and keep your kitchen cool.  Leftover pizza dough can go in the fridge for days and then used to make breadsticks.  Mmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pizza dough is a great way to start making your own bread.  In the summer, you can even cook your pizzas on the grill and keep your kitchen cool.  Leftover pizza dough can go in the fridge for days and then used to make breadsticks.  Mmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve made homemade bread for years making variations that include whole wheat, soy flour, potato water, mashed potatoes, powdered milk, honey, large flake oats (whirled in the blender until flour), ground flax seed; and a sweetened version with added raisins &amp; cinnamon for breakfast.  With a hearty soup &amp; homemade bread--it&#039;s a great mid-week meal.  

Also easy is pizza dough:  Sprinkle 1 tbsp (1 pkg) dry yeast in 1 cup warm water mixed with 1 tbsp honey.  After 10 minutes, stir  in 2 tbsp olive oil &amp; 1 tsp salt; add 1 c all-purpose or bread unbleached flour &amp; mix thoroughly.  Mix in another cup of flour (you&#039;ll likely start having to use your hands for this) &amp; add additional flour until dough no longer sticks to your hands.  Put in a bowl greased with olive oil &amp; let rise for an hour.  Punch down &amp; knead a few turns, divide &amp; shape into pizzas (2 x 12 inch or 1 cookie pan) let sit for 15 minutes, add thin layer of tomato sauce &amp; favourite toppings-bake at 450F on top rack for 20 minutes or until browned on bottom You can also put dough bowl in the fridge if making in the morning for dinner:  my daughter as first home after school would take it out to warm up &amp; when I got home we&#039;d roll out and prepare as above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve made homemade bread for years making variations that include whole wheat, soy flour, potato water, mashed potatoes, powdered milk, honey, large flake oats (whirled in the blender until flour), ground flax seed; and a sweetened version with added raisins &amp; cinnamon for breakfast.  With a hearty soup &amp; homemade bread&#8211;it&#8217;s a great mid-week meal.  </p>
<p>Also easy is pizza dough:  Sprinkle 1 tbsp (1 pkg) dry yeast in 1 cup warm water mixed with 1 tbsp honey.  After 10 minutes, stir  in 2 tbsp olive oil &amp; 1 tsp salt; add 1 c all-purpose or bread unbleached flour &amp; mix thoroughly.  Mix in another cup of flour (you&#8217;ll likely start having to use your hands for this) &amp; add additional flour until dough no longer sticks to your hands.  Put in a bowl greased with olive oil &amp; let rise for an hour.  Punch down &amp; knead a few turns, divide &amp; shape into pizzas (2 x 12 inch or 1 cookie pan) let sit for 15 minutes, add thin layer of tomato sauce &amp; favourite toppings-bake at 450F on top rack for 20 minutes or until browned on bottom You can also put dough bowl in the fridge if making in the morning for dinner:  my daughter as first home after school would take it out to warm up &amp; when I got home we&#8217;d roll out and prepare as above.</p>
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		<title>By: Funder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *love* no-knead bread - thanks for the great post (and comments!) with the additional recipes.  One tip to add:

If you don&#039;t have a dutch oven and don&#039;t want to invest big money in a real Le Creuset, the stoneware insert from your crock pot works just as well.  (If you don&#039;t have a crock pot, they only cost $15 at the grocery store.)  Mine has a glass lid with a plastic handle that I don&#039;t trust at oven temperatures, so I use another lid that fits well enough to keep the steam in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *love* no-knead bread &#8211; thanks for the great post (and comments!) with the additional recipes.  One tip to add:</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have a dutch oven and don&#8217;t want to invest big money in a real Le Creuset, the stoneware insert from your crock pot works just as well.  (If you don&#8217;t have a crock pot, they only cost $15 at the grocery store.)  Mine has a glass lid with a plastic handle that I don&#8217;t trust at oven temperatures, so I use another lid that fits well enough to keep the steam in.</p>
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		<title>By: Funny about Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny about Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is one gorgeous loaf of bread! I&#039;ll be trying that out this weekend. Beer. Brilliant idea!!

If you have a bread machine, you can use it to knead and rise dough and then, after the dough has risen, take the stuff out, shape it as desired, and bake it in the oven. For some reason oven-baked seems to taste ten times better than bread-machine baked. 

Costco yeast seems to be livelier than the stuff that comes in packets. As Angie points out, you may not need 3 tsp (1 Tbsp) to get the desired results. You can store yeast in the freezer with great success; I keep a small jar of it in the refrigerator and the big stash in the freezer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is one gorgeous loaf of bread! I&#8217;ll be trying that out this weekend. Beer. Brilliant idea!!</p>
<p>If you have a bread machine, you can use it to knead and rise dough and then, after the dough has risen, take the stuff out, shape it as desired, and bake it in the oven. For some reason oven-baked seems to taste ten times better than bread-machine baked. </p>
<p>Costco yeast seems to be livelier than the stuff that comes in packets. As Angie points out, you may not need 3 tsp (1 Tbsp) to get the desired results. You can store yeast in the freezer with great success; I keep a small jar of it in the refrigerator and the big stash in the freezer.</p>
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		<title>By: ccherry</title>
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		<dc:creator>ccherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love bread, don&#039;t have a bread machine, and want immediate gratification so the bread recipe I use, and modify lots by adding cheese, herbs, and even honey is:
3 cups self rising flour
3 tablespoons sugar
12 oz beer
mix, put in bread pan or make a rounded loaf and put on a cookie sheet then bake at 350 for about an hour
since I also live at altitude (over 4300 ft) I modify this by removing two to three tablespoons of flour and making one of my tablespoons of sugar a little light- this is a winter bread in my world because it is dense and crusty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love bread, don&#8217;t have a bread machine, and want immediate gratification so the bread recipe I use, and modify lots by adding cheese, herbs, and even honey is:<br />
3 cups self rising flour<br />
3 tablespoons sugar<br />
12 oz beer<br />
mix, put in bread pan or make a rounded loaf and put on a cookie sheet then bake at 350 for about an hour<br />
since I also live at altitude (over 4300 ft) I modify this by removing two to three tablespoons of flour and making one of my tablespoons of sugar a little light- this is a winter bread in my world because it is dense and crusty</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Costco is worth the $50 a year (less than a dollar a week) for the &quot;free breakfast&quot; they serve every day! Seriously, they give out so many free samples that you can make a meal of it. I don&#039;t actually go there every day for breakfast, but I have done it more than once!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Costco is worth the $50 a year (less than a dollar a week) for the &#8220;free breakfast&#8221; they serve every day! Seriously, they give out so many free samples that you can make a meal of it. I don&#8217;t actually go there every day for breakfast, but I have done it more than once!</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What time are we eating tonight?</description>
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		<title>By: Micah Mae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micah Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone, I was wondering (with all the talk of Costco yeast)...at what point does it become worth it to join a warehouse club like Sam&#039;s or Costco? We are a family soon to be of 3, so is it worth it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone, I was wondering (with all the talk of Costco yeast)&#8230;at what point does it become worth it to join a warehouse club like Sam&#8217;s or Costco? We are a family soon to be of 3, so is it worth it?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link!  Fresh bread is one of my favorite foods.  Nice job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link!  Fresh bread is one of my favorite foods.  Nice job.</p>
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		<title>By: RacerX</title>
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		<dc:creator>RacerX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The accomplishment side reminds me of an interview with John Lennon right before his death (The Playboy Interview&#039;s With John Lennon) he talks about baking bread and the accomplishment one feels afterward, unlike almost any other cooking. Almost a primal thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The accomplishment side reminds me of an interview with John Lennon right before his death (The Playboy Interview&#8217;s With John Lennon) he talks about baking bread and the accomplishment one feels afterward, unlike almost any other cooking. Almost a primal thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m another person who regularly uses a breadmaker with Costco yeast. I make about 6 loaves a week for our family of four, plus I use my breadmaker to make speciality breads such as stollen at Christmas, quick breads, pizza and cookie doughs. There&#039;s way less mess and cleanup as everything mixes and bakes in the same pan. I have a regular recipe that I use for our normal everyday bread, and it takes me about 3 minutes (I&#039;ve timed it) to get the ingredients into the breadmaker.

I use only 1/2 to 3/4 teaspoon of the regular Costco yeast (depends on the recipe; 1/2 t for our regular bread) and always have great results. I do find that whenever I try a new recipe it might take me two or three attempts to get it just right. However, I live at 3500 feet above sea level, so I&#039;m assuming that I need to modify these recipes a bit to take the elevation into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m another person who regularly uses a breadmaker with Costco yeast. I make about 6 loaves a week for our family of four, plus I use my breadmaker to make speciality breads such as stollen at Christmas, quick breads, pizza and cookie doughs. There&#8217;s way less mess and cleanup as everything mixes and bakes in the same pan. I have a regular recipe that I use for our normal everyday bread, and it takes me about 3 minutes (I&#8217;ve timed it) to get the ingredients into the breadmaker.</p>
<p>I use only 1/2 to 3/4 teaspoon of the regular Costco yeast (depends on the recipe; 1/2 t for our regular bread) and always have great results. I do find that whenever I try a new recipe it might take me two or three attempts to get it just right. However, I live at 3500 feet above sea level, so I&#8217;m assuming that I need to modify these recipes a bit to take the elevation into account.</p>
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