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		<title>By: Stone Glasgow</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/07/22/the-economics-of-a-pow-camp/comment-page-1/#comment-1883882</link>
		<dc:creator>Stone Glasgow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 03:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The method used to create a paper currency in the P.O.W. camp is the same method used by modern banks. Today money is created with a keystroke by the bank in the same way, but instead of offering assets for sale, modern banks act as brokers between buyers and sellers, creating new paper money in the process.

The modern banking &quot;brokering&quot; process would occur as follows in the camp:

1. John knits a wool coat from yarn.

2. Bob wishes to buy the coat for 50 POW dollars, but does not have enough money.

3. The camp&#039;s store brokers the deal; it buys the coat from John with 50 dollars it prints from thin air.

4. Bob buys the coat from the store on credit, owing the store 50 POW dollars, and agreeing to repay the debt over five months, paying 11 POW dollars per month (one dollar per month as an interest fee).

Modern banking is the same, but the wool coat is a house and the terms of the loan are longer. Banks broker deals in exactly the same way, making it easier for a home-builder to sell to a person who lacks the capital to make the purchase.

Notice that in this system there is not enough paper money to both pay off all the loans and the added interest payments. To correct this problem, the store would need to purchase supplies and keep them off the shelves, balancing the amount of supplies and paper. This is why the Fed engages itself in &quot;quantitative easing,&quot; purchasing assets with new money, and keeping them off the market on its balance sheet.

Later, if the value of paper falls against the value of cigarettes, as actually occurred in this camp, the store would be able to place additional items on the shelves to raise the value of paper -- by making it less plentiful relative to the supplies available in the store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The method used to create a paper currency in the P.O.W. camp is the same method used by modern banks. Today money is created with a keystroke by the bank in the same way, but instead of offering assets for sale, modern banks act as brokers between buyers and sellers, creating new paper money in the process.</p>
<p>The modern banking &#8220;brokering&#8221; process would occur as follows in the camp:</p>
<p>1. John knits a wool coat from yarn.</p>
<p>2. Bob wishes to buy the coat for 50 POW dollars, but does not have enough money.</p>
<p>3. The camp&#8217;s store brokers the deal; it buys the coat from John with 50 dollars it prints from thin air.</p>
<p>4. Bob buys the coat from the store on credit, owing the store 50 POW dollars, and agreeing to repay the debt over five months, paying 11 POW dollars per month (one dollar per month as an interest fee).</p>
<p>Modern banking is the same, but the wool coat is a house and the terms of the loan are longer. Banks broker deals in exactly the same way, making it easier for a home-builder to sell to a person who lacks the capital to make the purchase.</p>
<p>Notice that in this system there is not enough paper money to both pay off all the loans and the added interest payments. To correct this problem, the store would need to purchase supplies and keep them off the shelves, balancing the amount of supplies and paper. This is why the Fed engages itself in &#8220;quantitative easing,&#8221; purchasing assets with new money, and keeping them off the market on its balance sheet.</p>
<p>Later, if the value of paper falls against the value of cigarettes, as actually occurred in this camp, the store would be able to place additional items on the shelves to raise the value of paper &#8212; by making it less plentiful relative to the supplies available in the store.</p>
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		<title>By: TripleE</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/07/22/the-economics-of-a-pow-camp/comment-page-1/#comment-142128</link>
		<dc:creator>TripleE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, I had to read this in highschool economics.  Absolutely brilliant stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I had to read this in highschool economics.  Absolutely brilliant stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: bill in houston</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/07/22/the-economics-of-a-pow-camp/comment-page-1/#comment-141908</link>
		<dc:creator>bill in houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting the article on a POW camp shows an ad for John McCain.  Was this on purpose?  Coincidence?  Or is this an example of contextual advertising where the word POW automatically shows a McCain ad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting the article on a POW camp shows an ad for John McCain.  Was this on purpose?  Coincidence?  Or is this an example of contextual advertising where the word POW automatically shows a McCain ad.</p>
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		<title>By: TheAnand</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheAnand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a great read...economics at its best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a great read&#8230;economics at its best.</p>
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		<title>By: Zomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come to think of it, we&#039;re actually using a lot of currencies, not just money. There&#039;s edible currency, influence currency (scratch my back, I&#039;ll scratch yours), even a genetic currency where ugly rich men marry stunning dunderheads to improve their genetic pool. 

Who knows what type of currency we would think up in the years to come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to think of it, we&#8217;re actually using a lot of currencies, not just money. There&#8217;s edible currency, influence currency (scratch my back, I&#8217;ll scratch yours), even a genetic currency where ugly rich men marry stunning dunderheads to improve their genetic pool. </p>
<p>Who knows what type of currency we would think up in the years to come?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of a TED Talk I watched recently.  A guy talked about how cell phones are being used to transfer money in some third world countries.

One guy in a village has a cell phone.  Family who work in the city will buy a pre-paid cell phone card and then call the guy in the village.  They give him the information for the pre-paid card and he uses it to charge up his cell phone.  The village cell phone guy then gives money to the city worker&#039;s family after taking a commission.  Then when people in the village want to use the cell phone, they pay him for the minutes they use.

Essentially, they created a currency with something that we would never think of as a currency.

Here&#039;s the talk, but it&#039;s more than about this story above.  (I actually didn&#039;t care for most of the talk.  The part I&#039;m referencing is at 8:00 in the talk.)

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jan_chipchase_on_our_mobile_phones.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a TED Talk I watched recently.  A guy talked about how cell phones are being used to transfer money in some third world countries.</p>
<p>One guy in a village has a cell phone.  Family who work in the city will buy a pre-paid cell phone card and then call the guy in the village.  They give him the information for the pre-paid card and he uses it to charge up his cell phone.  The village cell phone guy then gives money to the city worker&#8217;s family after taking a commission.  Then when people in the village want to use the cell phone, they pay him for the minutes they use.</p>
<p>Essentially, they created a currency with something that we would never think of as a currency.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the talk, but it&#8217;s more than about this story above.  (I actually didn&#8217;t care for most of the talk.  The part I&#8217;m referencing is at 8:00 in the talk.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jan_chipchase_on_our_mobile_phones.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jan_chipchase_on_our_mobile_phones.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/07/22/the-economics-of-a-pow-camp/comment-page-1/#comment-141294</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like this in all prisons, not just POW camps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like this in all prisons, not just POW camps.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikhil Narayanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikhil Narayanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing paper.
Good read.
-Nikhil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing paper.<br />
Good read.<br />
-Nikhil</p>
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		<title>By: Kiran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This paper was one of things we used in my econ class senior year. I can&#039;t remember the course name though. No texts, just papers like this.

Most of the class was a little boring (professor was long winded). But the papers were awesome. This paper was pretty much my favorite thing about the class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This paper was one of things we used in my econ class senior year. I can&#8217;t remember the course name though. No texts, just papers like this.</p>
<p>Most of the class was a little boring (professor was long winded). But the papers were awesome. This paper was pretty much my favorite thing about the class.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There was a coffee stall owner who sold tea, coffee or cocoa at two cigarettes a cup&quot;

That coffee guy is a highway robber.

Fascinating paper for us economy nerds. ^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There was a coffee stall owner who sold tea, coffee or cocoa at two cigarettes a cup&#8221;</p>
<p>That coffee guy is a highway robber.</p>
<p>Fascinating paper for us economy nerds. ^^</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, thanks.  Reminds me of one of my favorite novels, Clavell&#039;s &#039;King Rat,&#039; though it&#039;s more about capitalism than economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, thanks.  Reminds me of one of my favorite novels, Clavell&#8217;s &#8216;King Rat,&#8217; though it&#8217;s more about capitalism than economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Mama Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mama Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FANTASTIC.  Thank you!  Am linking this in a future Link Love post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FANTASTIC.  Thank you!  Am linking this in a future Link Love post.</p>
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		<title>By: RacerX</title>
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		<dc:creator>RacerX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the story and parable!

Empire of the Sun has a set of great scenes of John Malkovich running the camps black market and the kid (the future Batman) Christian Bale as the young child helping as a runner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the story and parable!</p>
<p>Empire of the Sun has a set of great scenes of John Malkovich running the camps black market and the kid (the future Batman) Christian Bale as the young child helping as a runner.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bahr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bahr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this is actually amazingly interesting.  I try to imagine what would happen with edible currency, and in a sense we have that already, when one considers narcotics and the like.  They&#039;re barely a step removed from direct inhalation of the currency used to acquire them.

Of course, currency also doesn&#039;t go stale, a factor on the bread side of the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this is actually amazingly interesting.  I try to imagine what would happen with edible currency, and in a sense we have that already, when one considers narcotics and the like.  They&#8217;re barely a step removed from direct inhalation of the currency used to acquire them.</p>
<p>Of course, currency also doesn&#8217;t go stale, a factor on the bread side of the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: plonkee</title>
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		<dc:creator>plonkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; an amazing paper. I&#039;ve always thought that even if you gave everyone the same starting point, some would do better than others. Clearly the key in the POW camp was not to smoke, so you wouldn&#039;t have an intrinsic need for the currency. But they also mention saving bread rations and then selling them when they are at their scarcest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This <em>is</em> an amazing paper. I&#8217;ve always thought that even if you gave everyone the same starting point, some would do better than others. Clearly the key in the POW camp was not to smoke, so you wouldn&#8217;t have an intrinsic need for the currency. But they also mention saving bread rations and then selling them when they are at their scarcest.</p>
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