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	<title>Comments on: Dangerous Norms: When a Treat Becomes a Routine Matter</title>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Aimee&#039;s magazine addiction, if she&#039;s still around to read this: Does your library have a free magazine table? Mine does and I get my magazine fix from it. Some of the magazines come from the library and some are brought it from the patrons&#039; homes. The mags on the table can be taken home and kept, unlike the mags they keep upstairs that cannot leave the building.

Yes, they&#039;re older. But they&#039;re still somewhat glossy.

I really score on old Martha Stewart, Gourmet and Bon Appetite mags. Woo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Aimee&#8217;s magazine addiction, if she&#8217;s still around to read this: Does your library have a free magazine table? Mine does and I get my magazine fix from it. Some of the magazines come from the library and some are brought it from the patrons&#8217; homes. The mags on the table can be taken home and kept, unlike the mags they keep upstairs that cannot leave the building.</p>
<p>Yes, they&#8217;re older. But they&#8217;re still somewhat glossy.</p>
<p>I really score on old Martha Stewart, Gourmet and Bon Appetite mags. Woo!</p>
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		<title>By: Euan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Euan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Often it&#039;s the little things that add up, in my experience. One is going out of work to buy a sandwich at lunchtime. It&#039;s easy when in the supermarket to buy other goodies to eat too. Taking lunch to work is much better - so long as you have somewhere to sit and eat it that&#039;s away from your desk!

Another is making sure that your mobile phone contract is appropriate for your use. I used to spend 25 pounds every month on my mobile and never used the included minutes - what a waste! Now I&#039;m on pay-as-you-go and never spend more than 10 pounds per month.

Euan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often it&#8217;s the little things that add up, in my experience. One is going out of work to buy a sandwich at lunchtime. It&#8217;s easy when in the supermarket to buy other goodies to eat too. Taking lunch to work is much better &#8211; so long as you have somewhere to sit and eat it that&#8217;s away from your desk!</p>
<p>Another is making sure that your mobile phone contract is appropriate for your use. I used to spend 25 pounds every month on my mobile and never used the included minutes &#8211; what a waste! Now I&#8217;m on pay-as-you-go and never spend more than 10 pounds per month.</p>
<p>Euan</p>
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		<title>By: Aimee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aimee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like so many of the other readers, my huge problem is books. I&#039;ve gotten better recently, but the magazines are still a problem. I love libraries as much if not more than bookstores. I am getting better about binge shopping for books (not buying books for a long time then losing my wits when I enter a book store and finding myself $50 poorer with a stack of books I may or may not read). I still have trouble walking out of bookstore without something (which is a big problem because I pass several during the day in my city.)

The magazines, though, are killing me. I know that I have a huge (huge) stack of them at home, and yet every time I&#039;m in a store I want one. I love reading all the articles and looking at the glossy layouts. I swear I literally get giddy off the smell of them. I know that I am wasting tons of money because my huge stack of magazines is mostly unread (although when I read one it tends to be cover to cover). I love clothes (really expensive clothes) which I cannot afford (even if I stopped buying mags and, um, paying rent), so at least the mags let me indulge my love of fashion without going bankrupt, but this compulsive buying is not good for me. I know you had a thing for comics JD, any suggestions for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like so many of the other readers, my huge problem is books. I&#8217;ve gotten better recently, but the magazines are still a problem. I love libraries as much if not more than bookstores. I am getting better about binge shopping for books (not buying books for a long time then losing my wits when I enter a book store and finding myself $50 poorer with a stack of books I may or may not read). I still have trouble walking out of bookstore without something (which is a big problem because I pass several during the day in my city.)</p>
<p>The magazines, though, are killing me. I know that I have a huge (huge) stack of them at home, and yet every time I&#8217;m in a store I want one. I love reading all the articles and looking at the glossy layouts. I swear I literally get giddy off the smell of them. I know that I am wasting tons of money because my huge stack of magazines is mostly unread (although when I read one it tends to be cover to cover). I love clothes (really expensive clothes) which I cannot afford (even if I stopped buying mags and, um, paying rent), so at least the mags let me indulge my love of fashion without going bankrupt, but this compulsive buying is not good for me. I know you had a thing for comics JD, any suggestions for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was an excellent article!  It really made me think about eating out and how my children now see it as a &quot;norm&quot; to eat out.

**personal note to self:  make it a point to start cooking more at home - especially using that crock pot you got 7 years ago for your wedding***</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was an excellent article!  It really made me think about eating out and how my children now see it as a &#8220;norm&#8221; to eat out.</p>
<p>**personal note to self:  make it a point to start cooking more at home &#8211; especially using that crock pot you got 7 years ago for your wedding***</p>
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		<title>By: Treva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Treva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s so true that having something less often makes it more of a luxury.  We&#039;ve cut our eating out to maybe twice a month -- usually one fast food or delivery and another meal out.  Now when we start talking about going out I start wondering which restaurant we should go to.  There are so many where I am and each has something special at it that I would love to indulge in.  B/c we eat out so infrequently, I spend days debating over which place we&#039;re going to dine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so true that having something less often makes it more of a luxury.  We&#8217;ve cut our eating out to maybe twice a month &#8212; usually one fast food or delivery and another meal out.  Now when we start talking about going out I start wondering which restaurant we should go to.  There are so many where I am and each has something special at it that I would love to indulge in.  B/c we eat out so infrequently, I spend days debating over which place we&#8217;re going to dine.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pepperdove:
Just a suggestion for easier, cooler meals.  Try the crock pot.  I just cooked a turkey breast in mine.  Hot turkey the first day, turkey salad with some, and turkey and dumplings with the last (in the crock pot).  Not bad for one turkey breast, feeding six people.  I understand about the a/c, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pepperdove:<br />
Just a suggestion for easier, cooler meals.  Try the crock pot.  I just cooked a turkey breast in mine.  Hot turkey the first day, turkey salad with some, and turkey and dumplings with the last (in the crock pot).  Not bad for one turkey breast, feeding six people.  I understand about the a/c, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steven
There is some rich guy (maybe Buffett) who pays for family members to go to college.  After that, not a dime.  You&#039;re on your own.  Sounds fair to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steven<br />
There is some rich guy (maybe Buffett) who pays for family members to go to college.  After that, not a dime.  You&#8217;re on your own.  Sounds fair to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave 
@Shalom

Warren Buffett has a great philosophy about giving money to the family:  DON&#039;T.  He doesn&#039;t believe in subsidizing his family with what he calls social welfare.  It never ends once you start;it seems to nulify
any impetus for achievement because emotions come into play.  Take Warren&#039;s advice.  You&#039;ll be happier and, in the long run, your family will be better off.

Good luck to you both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave<br />
@Shalom</p>
<p>Warren Buffett has a great philosophy about giving money to the family:  DON&#8217;T.  He doesn&#8217;t believe in subsidizing his family with what he calls social welfare.  It never ends once you start;it seems to nulify<br />
any impetus for achievement because emotions come into play.  Take Warren&#8217;s advice.  You&#8217;ll be happier and, in the long run, your family will be better off.</p>
<p>Good luck to you both.</p>
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		<title>By: Shalom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shalom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave -- Sounds like you&#039;re doing much better than I am  Apart from retirement accounts and a college acount for our child, we haven&#039;t invested yet.  I definitely need to do more &quot;pay myself first.&quot;

I have one of those brothers, too, though I hope yours isn&#039;t the jerk that mine is!  I tried to help in smaller ways, back when that was all that I could afford, and he always took it and then seemed to go out of his way to let me know that he wasted what I did.  It&#039;s like he felt he was entitled to help, but then felt bad about himself for taking it and so he lashed out at me.  This happened over and over, so I quit.  I instead have saved for the last 3 years to give his son tuition assistance when he goes to college next year -- I figure maybe I can actually do some good with the next generation, since this one seems to be unsalvageable.  

Even though we all had the same advantages, this one brother has wasted his opportunities and sat around blaming life for not handing him money.  My other brother and I know that one day we&#039;ll probably end up paying to keep this sob-story brother from being homeless, and I try to figure that into my savings.  I think I do have some obligation to keep him off the streets, but I don&#039;t have to pay for a comfortable living for him.  (I get so angry about this whole situation. I may have to help somehow, but I just don&#039;t think I should have to postpone my own retirement so that my brother can sit around and complain that the man is keeping him down, and think that he&#039;s somehow too good to work at the jobs he can get. Argh.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave &#8212; Sounds like you&#8217;re doing much better than I am  Apart from retirement accounts and a college acount for our child, we haven&#8217;t invested yet.  I definitely need to do more &#8220;pay myself first.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have one of those brothers, too, though I hope yours isn&#8217;t the jerk that mine is!  I tried to help in smaller ways, back when that was all that I could afford, and he always took it and then seemed to go out of his way to let me know that he wasted what I did.  It&#8217;s like he felt he was entitled to help, but then felt bad about himself for taking it and so he lashed out at me.  This happened over and over, so I quit.  I instead have saved for the last 3 years to give his son tuition assistance when he goes to college next year &#8212; I figure maybe I can actually do some good with the next generation, since this one seems to be unsalvageable.  </p>
<p>Even though we all had the same advantages, this one brother has wasted his opportunities and sat around blaming life for not handing him money.  My other brother and I know that one day we&#8217;ll probably end up paying to keep this sob-story brother from being homeless, and I try to figure that into my savings.  I think I do have some obligation to keep him off the streets, but I don&#8217;t have to pay for a comfortable living for him.  (I get so angry about this whole situation. I may have to help somehow, but I just don&#8217;t think I should have to postpone my own retirement so that my brother can sit around and complain that the man is keeping him down, and think that he&#8217;s somehow too good to work at the jobs he can get. Argh.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shalom...Thanks for the tips.

I do much of what you say.  I pay myself by way of investing in the stock market..ING etc.  I also try and give at least 10% to charity (thinking about upping that..). 

I hear you about hanging out with friends who spend a lot.  My best friend makes twice as much as I do and he&#039;s always trying to convince us to go on &quot;quick trips&quot; to Australia, Europe etc...it&#039;s hard to refuse him as I know it would be fun, but I just can&#039;t justify it!

I happily drive around my fuel effecient car...even if I&#039;m tempted to buy a sweet S-class Merc, I won&#039;t...I&#039;m just too practical!

It&#039;s tough though...cause my brother is on the doorstep of poverty...part of me thinks he needs to help himself, but part of me feels terrible and thinks I should help him...not sure what to do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shalom&#8230;Thanks for the tips.</p>
<p>I do much of what you say.  I pay myself by way of investing in the stock market..ING etc.  I also try and give at least 10% to charity (thinking about upping that..). </p>
<p>I hear you about hanging out with friends who spend a lot.  My best friend makes twice as much as I do and he&#8217;s always trying to convince us to go on &#8220;quick trips&#8221; to Australia, Europe etc&#8230;it&#8217;s hard to refuse him as I know it would be fun, but I just can&#8217;t justify it!</p>
<p>I happily drive around my fuel effecient car&#8230;even if I&#8217;m tempted to buy a sweet S-class Merc, I won&#8217;t&#8230;I&#8217;m just too practical!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough though&#8230;cause my brother is on the doorstep of poverty&#8230;part of me thinks he needs to help himself, but part of me feels terrible and thinks I should help him&#8230;not sure what to do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>laurendc (#18) - me too!  I blow $400 to $800 per month.  I save 25-30% of my gross income and have zero debt, but I still feel horribly guilty about how much I spend on clothes and shoes.  You could try buying vintage and/or consigning the stuff you no longer want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>laurendc (#18) &#8211; me too!  I blow $400 to $800 per month.  I save 25-30% of my gross income and have zero debt, but I still feel horribly guilty about how much I spend on clothes and shoes.  You could try buying vintage and/or consigning the stuff you no longer want.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch your thoughts, they become words.
Watch your words, they become actions.
Watch your actions, they become habits.
Watch your habits, they become your character.
Watch your character, it becomes your destiny. 

-ThatGuy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch your thoughts, they become words.<br />
Watch your words, they become actions.<br />
Watch your actions, they become habits.<br />
Watch your habits, they become your character.<br />
Watch your character, it becomes your destiny. </p>
<p>-ThatGuy</p>
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		<title>By: Shalom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shalom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave (post 22):  I have the same problem.  Back when I was earning a lot less and I had a boatload of debt, my spouse &amp; I lived frugally, wrote down every penny we spent, shopped consignment, used the library, even dumpster-dived.  It all worked, just like these sites say it will.  But now that the debt is gone except for a small mortgage, we have savings, and I&#039;m earning that 5-figures a month you mentioned -- well, it&#039;s a lot harder to keep up the frugality.  Using that old Your Money or Your Life &quot;true hourly rate&quot; calculation doesn&#039;t help anymore.

I think the best things to do are:
 
(i) Like another poster said, pay yourself first.  I am not much good with frugality anymore, but I do have automatic savings set up, and we immediately send to savings any check we get in, and any bonus I get.  Also, I save all change I get -- it&#039;s not that much money, but every day I drop change in a jar and every few months I take it to the bank.  I think it reminds me to try to be in a savings mindset.

(ii) Be careful whom you hang out with.  I look pretty frugal compared to some of my coworkers, and I think that hanging out with them encourages me to spend.  I can think -- hey, sure, I spent $100 on this, but that person spent $300 on a fancier one, so I&#039;m doing pretty well.  But if we hang out with other couples who earn less than I do, or who are more thrifty, then I spend less.  If I look at a thrifty friend, then my $100 purchase may seem like an indulgence that I don&#039;t need.

(iii) Finally, my spouse and I try to give away more and more.  With each raise, we try to increase the percent of my gross that we give away.  We give both to nonprofits we believe in, and to help with the educations of some family members.  Knowing that I&#039;ve made committments to help others, keeps me from blowing money.

I personally need to work a lot more on the pay yourself first thing, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave (post 22):  I have the same problem.  Back when I was earning a lot less and I had a boatload of debt, my spouse &#038; I lived frugally, wrote down every penny we spent, shopped consignment, used the library, even dumpster-dived.  It all worked, just like these sites say it will.  But now that the debt is gone except for a small mortgage, we have savings, and I&#8217;m earning that 5-figures a month you mentioned &#8212; well, it&#8217;s a lot harder to keep up the frugality.  Using that old Your Money or Your Life &#8220;true hourly rate&#8221; calculation doesn&#8217;t help anymore.</p>
<p>I think the best things to do are:</p>
<p>(i) Like another poster said, pay yourself first.  I am not much good with frugality anymore, but I do have automatic savings set up, and we immediately send to savings any check we get in, and any bonus I get.  Also, I save all change I get &#8212; it&#8217;s not that much money, but every day I drop change in a jar and every few months I take it to the bank.  I think it reminds me to try to be in a savings mindset.</p>
<p>(ii) Be careful whom you hang out with.  I look pretty frugal compared to some of my coworkers, and I think that hanging out with them encourages me to spend.  I can think &#8212; hey, sure, I spent $100 on this, but that person spent $300 on a fancier one, so I&#8217;m doing pretty well.  But if we hang out with other couples who earn less than I do, or who are more thrifty, then I spend less.  If I look at a thrifty friend, then my $100 purchase may seem like an indulgence that I don&#8217;t need.</p>
<p>(iii) Finally, my spouse and I try to give away more and more.  With each raise, we try to increase the percent of my gross that we give away.  We give both to nonprofits we believe in, and to help with the educations of some family members.  Knowing that I&#8217;ve made committments to help others, keeps me from blowing money.</p>
<p>I personally need to work a lot more on the pay yourself first thing, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of years ago, I got angry waiting in line at the movie theater because a woman and her son were taking WAY too long to decide what to watch.  They asked the cashier to explain the plot of each movie, and debated whether to see a show immediately and splurge on popcorn, or to buy tickets for a later show and go home for lunch instead.

In comparison, I went to about three movies a week.  The treat factor of entertainment was lost on me at that point, and I missed the beauty of &quot;going out&quot; to see &quot;a movie&quot; - it had become just catching &quot;the movie&quot; in between other errands.

Like Trent, I have tried to reign in my haphazard financial lifestyle.  I could never give up books, but I borrow them now, rather than pay full price at the bookstore.  Movies are still a large part of my life, but they are more solemn an event now, and I try to appreciate the opportunity I have to spend time with friends enjoying a similar story ... I never go by myself anymore; it costs too much and I lose out on the experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of years ago, I got angry waiting in line at the movie theater because a woman and her son were taking WAY too long to decide what to watch.  They asked the cashier to explain the plot of each movie, and debated whether to see a show immediately and splurge on popcorn, or to buy tickets for a later show and go home for lunch instead.</p>
<p>In comparison, I went to about three movies a week.  The treat factor of entertainment was lost on me at that point, and I missed the beauty of &#8220;going out&#8221; to see &#8220;a movie&#8221; &#8211; it had become just catching &#8220;the movie&#8221; in between other errands.</p>
<p>Like Trent, I have tried to reign in my haphazard financial lifestyle.  I could never give up books, but I borrow them now, rather than pay full price at the bookstore.  Movies are still a large part of my life, but they are more solemn an event now, and I try to appreciate the opportunity I have to spend time with friends enjoying a similar story &#8230; I never go by myself anymore; it costs too much and I lose out on the experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The old money trap. Once you start spending it is so easy to spend money on anything. Once you open the doors to spending it is hard to control.

Our challenge is on trips. We become pretty free spirits and our wallets become much looser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old money trap. Once you start spending it is so easy to spend money on anything. Once you open the doors to spending it is hard to control.</p>
<p>Our challenge is on trips. We become pretty free spirits and our wallets become much looser.</p>
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		<title>By: CarrieK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarrieK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice! I&#039;ve been taking my kids to the library for books, dvd, and cds since they were infants (gotta love the Book&#039;n&#039;Babies club!)and since I started meal planning and eating at home, we are setting our &quot;norms&quot; low. Hopefully by teaching them young, they won&#039;t get themselves into financial pickles when they are older.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice! I&#8217;ve been taking my kids to the library for books, dvd, and cds since they were infants (gotta love the Book&#8217;n'Babies club!)and since I started meal planning and eating at home, we are setting our &#8220;norms&#8221; low. Hopefully by teaching them young, they won&#8217;t get themselves into financial pickles when they are older.</p>
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		<title>By: slackerjo</title>
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		<dc:creator>slackerjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I was the only person who grew up with going to a restaurant twice a year. In 
addition, we might have McDonalds once, maybe twice a year. I always associate Thanksgiving (the Canadian one) with McDonalds. We&#039;d always have our big Thanksgiving dinner on Sunday 
to accommodate traveling schedules) and have McDonalds on Thanksgiving Monday. To be perfectly honest, I really don&#039;t like turkey all that much and as a kid, I looked forward to the Big Mac, fries and Coke more than the big fancy Thanksgiving meal. To this day, I still have McDonalds on Thanksgiving Monday. 

About 8 years ago I was eating out a lot, or what I felt was a lot, 2-3 times a month, and you know what, my jeans got tight. So I stopped eating out and used that time to exercise and guess, what, I had more money which was good, cause I had to buy new jeans because of the 30lbs I lost. 

Plus I am a bit arrogant when it comes to cooking. When I do go out (dragged kicking and screaming) for dinner, I leave disappointed. Usually I the voice in my head says &quot;I can do better.&quot; 

So I guess being an arrogant cook,  and well, vain, can help you in your frugal ways.</description>
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addition, we might have McDonalds once, maybe twice a year. I always associate Thanksgiving (the Canadian one) with McDonalds. We&#8217;d always have our big Thanksgiving dinner on Sunday<br />
to accommodate traveling schedules) and have McDonalds on Thanksgiving Monday. To be perfectly honest, I really don&#8217;t like turkey all that much and as a kid, I looked forward to the Big Mac, fries and Coke more than the big fancy Thanksgiving meal. To this day, I still have McDonalds on Thanksgiving Monday. </p>
<p>About 8 years ago I was eating out a lot, or what I felt was a lot, 2-3 times a month, and you know what, my jeans got tight. So I stopped eating out and used that time to exercise and guess, what, I had more money which was good, cause I had to buy new jeans because of the 30lbs I lost. </p>
<p>Plus I am a bit arrogant when it comes to cooking. When I do go out (dragged kicking and screaming) for dinner, I leave disappointed. Usually I the voice in my head says &#8220;I can do better.&#8221; </p>
<p>So I guess being an arrogant cook,  and well, vain, can help you in your frugal ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Personal Finance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Personal Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found that there can be a domino affect when it comes to changing habits. When I started jogging, I was more motivated to eat better, to floss more, etc. I find when you do things to improve yourself, everything falls in place. The same can be said for finances. Making small changes lead to bigger ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found that there can be a domino affect when it comes to changing habits. When I started jogging, I was more motivated to eat better, to floss more, etc. I find when you do things to improve yourself, everything falls in place. The same can be said for finances. Making small changes lead to bigger ones.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
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		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, last week I was house and pet sitting for some friends and as a form of payment was left restaurant vouchers and ended up eating out 3 times during the week. I&#039;m finding it&#039;s much harder this week to make myself cook every night.
As for ABBA, why hide behind &quot;lousy taste&quot; in music? Embrace the cheesey pop! They are number 1 in the album charts in the UK this week (knocking coldplay into 2nd place) Happy days indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, last week I was house and pet sitting for some friends and as a form of payment was left restaurant vouchers and ended up eating out 3 times during the week. I&#8217;m finding it&#8217;s much harder this week to make myself cook every night.<br />
As for ABBA, why hide behind &#8220;lousy taste&#8221; in music? Embrace the cheesey pop! They are number 1 in the album charts in the UK this week (knocking coldplay into 2nd place) Happy days indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jill - that is so true! Now I know why I feel so overwhelmed by trying to do all the cooking myself. I&#039;ll try &quot;sharing the luv&quot; and see how far that gets us. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jill &#8211; that is so true! Now I know why I feel so overwhelmed by trying to do all the cooking myself. I&#8217;ll try &#8220;sharing the luv&#8221; and see how far that gets us. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way of cutting costs is going directly to the source. This summer, I picked more than 40 pounds of blueberries and peaches at farms in New Jersey and stored them in the freezer. Of course, I have no idea what I am going to do with them.

http://whyspendmoney.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way of cutting costs is going directly to the source. This summer, I picked more than 40 pounds of blueberries and peaches at farms in New Jersey and stored them in the freezer. Of course, I have no idea what I am going to do with them.</p>
<p><a href="http://whyspendmoney.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://whyspendmoney.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jill Culver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Culver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some excellent points above. I just wanted to add that i think that in the spirit of &quot;your money or your life&quot;, eating out is fine IF you have examined how much you spend on it and have decided it is a worthy allocation of your resources...if it is important enough to spend your hard earned $$$ on. For most of us this is just not the case.

Also eating at home is so much more do-able if you can share the work with someone! It takes a lot to plan, shop, cook and clean up for a family! And it can be overwhelming if it the sole responsibility of one family member!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some excellent points above. I just wanted to add that i think that in the spirit of &#8220;your money or your life&#8221;, eating out is fine IF you have examined how much you spend on it and have decided it is a worthy allocation of your resources&#8230;if it is important enough to spend your hard earned $$$ on. For most of us this is just not the case.</p>
<p>Also eating at home is so much more do-able if you can share the work with someone! It takes a lot to plan, shop, cook and clean up for a family! And it can be overwhelming if it the sole responsibility of one family member!</p>
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		<title>By: sir jorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>sir jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lunch kills me. My coworkers eat out everyday, and I am stuck with rudimentary pb &amp; j and it sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lunch kills me. My coworkers eat out everyday, and I am stuck with rudimentary pb &amp; j and it sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t eat out often for supper or so I thought.  I was talking to the kids when I was planning meals for the week and the fourteen year old said, &quot;we haven&#039;t had Subway forever.&quot;  I asked her how long forever was, she replied, &quot;two weeks.&quot;  

As I thought about it, I realized we had been eating out a lot more. So the fourteen year old was told she could go use her money to go to Subway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t eat out often for supper or so I thought.  I was talking to the kids when I was planning meals for the week and the fourteen year old said, &#8220;we haven&#8217;t had Subway forever.&#8221;  I asked her how long forever was, she replied, &#8220;two weeks.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As I thought about it, I realized we had been eating out a lot more. So the fourteen year old was told she could go use her money to go to Subway.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheaplee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheaplee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was guilty of this too. It&#039;s so easy to eat out and not have to prepare foods. But as my wife and I thought about it, two meals out for two people was costing $60 a day. Ridiculous. Pretty soon, I started changing my habits. 

Here&#039;s how I did it. First start with lunch (or for some, dinner). Choose to have that meal at home only. Do this for 5 days a week. Once you have gone through a few weeks, try a few days for dinner.

You don&#039;t need to completely give up going out. An easy way to do this is to just pick a number - $30, $20 or less you want to stay under for a day&#039;s meal with your family.

Couple of tricks:

1 - Never order soda or tea - that&#039;s $2 a person per meal or $240 a month just on beverages for 2 people for 30 days. Stick with water. It&#039;s cheaper, healthier and doesn&#039;t make you crave sweets.

2 - Never go for dessert or appetizer. While they look scrumptious, I drive by the Safeway on the way home to pick up a peppermint paddy. Or, you can have your own sweet treat waiting at home.  

3 - Choose among the 3 cheapest items for a main plate.

4 - If you have been to the place before, know what you are going to get beforehand, especially if it&#039;s cheap. You are more likely to crave it and get it when you are there.

5 - Doggy bags are a must. Now, don&#039;t get snotty. 

As for tipping, waiters work hard and don&#039;t earn a great deal, so share the love with at least 15% to 20%. Lee, Cheaplee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was guilty of this too. It&#8217;s so easy to eat out and not have to prepare foods. But as my wife and I thought about it, two meals out for two people was costing $60 a day. Ridiculous. Pretty soon, I started changing my habits. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how I did it. First start with lunch (or for some, dinner). Choose to have that meal at home only. Do this for 5 days a week. Once you have gone through a few weeks, try a few days for dinner.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to completely give up going out. An easy way to do this is to just pick a number &#8211; $30, $20 or less you want to stay under for a day&#8217;s meal with your family.</p>
<p>Couple of tricks:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Never order soda or tea &#8211; that&#8217;s $2 a person per meal or $240 a month just on beverages for 2 people for 30 days. Stick with water. It&#8217;s cheaper, healthier and doesn&#8217;t make you crave sweets.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; Never go for dessert or appetizer. While they look scrumptious, I drive by the Safeway on the way home to pick up a peppermint paddy. Or, you can have your own sweet treat waiting at home.  </p>
<p>3 &#8211; Choose among the 3 cheapest items for a main plate.</p>
<p>4 &#8211; If you have been to the place before, know what you are going to get beforehand, especially if it&#8217;s cheap. You are more likely to crave it and get it when you are there.</p>
<p>5 &#8211; Doggy bags are a must. Now, don&#8217;t get snotty. </p>
<p>As for tipping, waiters work hard and don&#8217;t earn a great deal, so share the love with at least 15% to 20%. Lee, Cheaplee</p>
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		<title>By: frugal zeitgeist</title>
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		<dc:creator>frugal zeitgeist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been a little bit afraid to get too comfortable. I think doing things the frugal way whether I need to or not help keep me from getting spoiled or otherwise taking little luxuries for granted.  In other words, it&#039;s better for my character.

I just killed off my mortgage (just over six and a half years, yay!) and now I&#039;m struggling a little bit to figure out how I can unclench to some extent without running the risk of rampant hedonism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been a little bit afraid to get too comfortable. I think doing things the frugal way whether I need to or not help keep me from getting spoiled or otherwise taking little luxuries for granted.  In other words, it&#8217;s better for my character.</p>
<p>I just killed off my mortgage (just over six and a half years, yay!) and now I&#8217;m struggling a little bit to figure out how I can unclench to some extent without running the risk of rampant hedonism.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All things in moderation...even moderation. ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: So Cal Savvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>So Cal Savvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All things in moderation...All things in moderation.</description>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonus points to Solomon for name-dropping ABBA. If there were an official group of Get Rich Slowly, it would be ABBA, not because they sing about personal finance principles, but because I have lousy taste in music. 

Must go listen to disco...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonus points to Solomon for name-dropping ABBA. If there were an official group of Get Rich Slowly, it would be ABBA, not because they sing about personal finance principles, but because I have lousy taste in music. </p>
<p>Must go listen to disco&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of a line from the song &quot;Nina, pretty ballerina&quot; by ABBA. 

&quot;This is the part that she likes to play
But she knows the fun would go away
If she would play it every day&quot;.

It&#039;s easy to get so excited by something that you forget that it&#039;s a treat, especially if you&#039;ve been depriving yourself of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a line from the song &#8220;Nina, pretty ballerina&#8221; by ABBA. </p>
<p>&#8220;This is the part that she likes to play<br />
But she knows the fun would go away<br />
If she would play it every day&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to get so excited by something that you forget that it&#8217;s a treat, especially if you&#8217;ve been depriving yourself of it.</p>
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