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		<title>By: Flowering twig</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-144357</link>
		<dc:creator>Flowering twig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking of getting a landscaping program for my computer and doing the design work myself. Has anyone found a CAD program that&#039;s useful for this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking of getting a landscaping program for my computer and doing the design work myself. Has anyone found a CAD program that&#8217;s useful for this?</p>
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		<title>By: No Debt Plan</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Debt Plan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just now getting to this post and wow - must say I am really, really impressed.

Makes me wish we had greener thumbs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just now getting to this post and wow &#8211; must say I am really, really impressed.</p>
<p>Makes me wish we had greener thumbs!</p>
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		<title>By: Another Personal Finance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Personal Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find most yard work enjoyable, well, maybe rewarding is the word, and it can also be good for you. Saving money is also, of course, a plus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find most yard work enjoyable, well, maybe rewarding is the word, and it can also be good for you. Saving money is also, of course, a plus.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Tips...

A few things that I would add...

When buying a home, as tempting as it is to work on the inside first, I would suggest landscaping the outside first.  Assuming the purchase of one-gallon plants (to save money), it takes about three years (in Georgia red clay) for a landscape to take shape.  We made the mistake of fixing up the inside of our home first and then when it came time to sell, our recent landscape updates did not have the impact we would have liked, although the new owner is benefiting now.

Second of all, some community colleges have excellent horticulture programs (some don&#039;t, so investigate) and have students with a gift for design.  Many times, they will design a yard for free to fulfill a class project or to add to their portfolio.  Just call the instructor.  They will know the best students and I haven&#039;t met a hort teacher yet that didn&#039;t like to talk about their program.  

Lastly, those same community colleges offer a very inexpensive way to learn.  I took an irrigation course (among others) which at the time were free (before the change in GA&#039;s Hope Grant) I have put in three systems now and have saved myself a couple of thousand dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Tips&#8230;</p>
<p>A few things that I would add&#8230;</p>
<p>When buying a home, as tempting as it is to work on the inside first, I would suggest landscaping the outside first.  Assuming the purchase of one-gallon plants (to save money), it takes about three years (in Georgia red clay) for a landscape to take shape.  We made the mistake of fixing up the inside of our home first and then when it came time to sell, our recent landscape updates did not have the impact we would have liked, although the new owner is benefiting now.</p>
<p>Second of all, some community colleges have excellent horticulture programs (some don&#8217;t, so investigate) and have students with a gift for design.  Many times, they will design a yard for free to fulfill a class project or to add to their portfolio.  Just call the instructor.  They will know the best students and I haven&#8217;t met a hort teacher yet that didn&#8217;t like to talk about their program.  </p>
<p>Lastly, those same community colleges offer a very inexpensive way to learn.  I took an irrigation course (among others) which at the time were free (before the change in GA&#8217;s Hope Grant) I have put in three systems now and have saved myself a couple of thousand dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your post! We bought a house last year and are putting in a yard. We hired an architect to help us design the yard, so that we could get an idea of where to put everything.

We hired someone to put in the posts for our fence, and then we bought the materials to do the panels ourselves. We, too, are doing things in stages, saving up for each phase of our yard.

Hiring the designer was a great move! Ours only cost $200, though. At any rate, having the designer help us figure everything out has given us a plan to work with, and we are much more organized going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post! We bought a house last year and are putting in a yard. We hired an architect to help us design the yard, so that we could get an idea of where to put everything.</p>
<p>We hired someone to put in the posts for our fence, and then we bought the materials to do the panels ourselves. We, too, are doing things in stages, saving up for each phase of our yard.</p>
<p>Hiring the designer was a great move! Ours only cost $200, though. At any rate, having the designer help us figure everything out has given us a plan to work with, and we are much more organized going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: HollyP</title>
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		<dc:creator>HollyP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who have smaller projects, there are other options too.

For my first house, I found a local nursery which would send a landscape designer to your home to do a short consulation free, no obligation if the project was fairly small.  (In my case, a row of shrubs adn a flower garden in front of my house.)  Great design, and I was able to do all the work myself.

Also, the Better Homes &amp; Gardens website offers many free plans, and you don&#039;t have to subscribe to the magazine.  I was able to tailor one of their plans to my yard with amazing results. Even better, I was able to re-use some of the materials already in my yard (bluestone walk I found buried under grass, re-set them in a new walk; was able to capitalize on shrubs which were hardy enough to be moved).  Total cost was just $200, plus the labor I put in myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who have smaller projects, there are other options too.</p>
<p>For my first house, I found a local nursery which would send a landscape designer to your home to do a short consulation free, no obligation if the project was fairly small.  (In my case, a row of shrubs adn a flower garden in front of my house.)  Great design, and I was able to do all the work myself.</p>
<p>Also, the Better Homes &amp; Gardens website offers many free plans, and you don&#8217;t have to subscribe to the magazine.  I was able to tailor one of their plans to my yard with amazing results. Even better, I was able to re-use some of the materials already in my yard (bluestone walk I found buried under grass, re-set them in a new walk; was able to capitalize on shrubs which were hardy enough to be moved).  Total cost was just $200, plus the labor I put in myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MoneyBlogga, I&#039;d love your predicament, though I understand how a lot of space can be overwhelming. 

With that much space, have you thought about wildscaping some or all of it? You basically recreate a wooded area, or a prairie area, or a riparian zone, whatever is appropriate for your situation. The wild things will love it, you&#039;ll be using native plants (so less water use and babysitting) and you&#039;ll have a visually pretty place to live. 

Or, you could open a mini-truck farm, but that&#039;s not less work, that&#039;s more. 

Have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MoneyBlogga, I&#8217;d love your predicament, though I understand how a lot of space can be overwhelming. </p>
<p>With that much space, have you thought about wildscaping some or all of it? You basically recreate a wooded area, or a prairie area, or a riparian zone, whatever is appropriate for your situation. The wild things will love it, you&#8217;ll be using native plants (so less water use and babysitting) and you&#8217;ll have a visually pretty place to live. </p>
<p>Or, you could open a mini-truck farm, but that&#8217;s not less work, that&#8217;s more. </p>
<p>Have fun!</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyBlogga</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyBlogga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My &quot;yard&quot;, all 2.5 acres of it, is so daunting a task I don&#039;t know where to begin. It would cost me thousands to hire a landscaper, with all the expertise that entails, BUT the job would get finished about 20 years sooner. I am going to say that some of the quotes I&#039;ve received are ridiculously high.</description>
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		<title>By: Susy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks great.  I&#039;ve been condsidering hiring someone to design a plan for my back yard.  Renting a big piece of machinery, I think I could get my DH onboard with that idea!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks great.  I&#8217;ve been condsidering hiring someone to design a plan for my back yard.  Renting a big piece of machinery, I think I could get my DH onboard with that idea!!!</p>
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		<title>By: New To Frugal</title>
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		<dc:creator>New To Frugal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. The sheer amount of white privilege and entitlement whoring in some of the comments above is mind-boggling. 

I can understand hiring professional help when something is not your area of expertise, but to &quot;take advantage&quot; of undocumented workers because they&#039;re willing to work for pennies on the dollar is unethical at best. I&#039;m disgusted by the idea that an American man&#039;s day job is more exhausting or grueling than that of an undocumented worker&#039;s. Myself and my husband work in jobs that are high-stress and require long hours, yet we still manage to do our own landscaping, home remodeling, cleaning and cooking. Not only does doing it ourselves save money, the sense of accomplishment and pride in the work we&#039;ve done with our own hands is absolutely priceless. 

Winston, your yard looks amazing. I&#039;m very impressed by the hard work you put into making it a haven for your family. I can imagine it feels good to look at it and see all that you have accomplished. Thank you for sharing your story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. The sheer amount of white privilege and entitlement whoring in some of the comments above is mind-boggling. </p>
<p>I can understand hiring professional help when something is not your area of expertise, but to &#8220;take advantage&#8221; of undocumented workers because they&#8217;re willing to work for pennies on the dollar is unethical at best. I&#8217;m disgusted by the idea that an American man&#8217;s day job is more exhausting or grueling than that of an undocumented worker&#8217;s. Myself and my husband work in jobs that are high-stress and require long hours, yet we still manage to do our own landscaping, home remodeling, cleaning and cooking. Not only does doing it ourselves save money, the sense of accomplishment and pride in the work we&#8217;ve done with our own hands is absolutely priceless. </p>
<p>Winston, your yard looks amazing. I&#8217;m very impressed by the hard work you put into making it a haven for your family. I can imagine it feels good to look at it and see all that you have accomplished. Thank you for sharing your story.</p>
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		<title>By: abc</title>
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		<dc:creator>abc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was expecting a much better lawn than yours with $3,500.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was expecting a much better lawn than yours with $3,500.</p>
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		<title>By: Funny about Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny about Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. Maybe the most daunting thing M&#039;hijito and I have faced in renovating the Investment House is its huge, feral yard. It really does leave you wondering where to start. Your idea of having a pro give you a design at the outset and then moving forward, on your own and a step at a time, as you can afford it--good thinking!!

Here in AZ, we hire Mexican immigrants when we can, although a...well, let&#039;s use the word: &lt;i&gt;racist&lt;/i&gt; program to push them out of the country is in full swing. I&#039;ve found them to be hard workers, sometimes amazingly skilled, and usually honest. I try not to pay them slave wages, even though they sometimes offer to work for that. A man (or a woman!) should be paid an honest wage for honest labor.

American men spend their days and much of their evenings in office and retail jobs that can be grinding and exhausting, even though they don&#039;t entail physical labor. To say that they do not want to (and sometimes cannot) do the heavy work that Mexican immigrants hire out to do is not racist; it states a fact. Not because they&#039;re lazy, but because one job is generally enough for a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. Maybe the most daunting thing M&#8217;hijito and I have faced in renovating the Investment House is its huge, feral yard. It really does leave you wondering where to start. Your idea of having a pro give you a design at the outset and then moving forward, on your own and a step at a time, as you can afford it&#8211;good thinking!!</p>
<p>Here in AZ, we hire Mexican immigrants when we can, although a&#8230;well, let&#8217;s use the word: <i>racist</i> program to push them out of the country is in full swing. I&#8217;ve found them to be hard workers, sometimes amazingly skilled, and usually honest. I try not to pay them slave wages, even though they sometimes offer to work for that. A man (or a woman!) should be paid an honest wage for honest labor.</p>
<p>American men spend their days and much of their evenings in office and retail jobs that can be grinding and exhausting, even though they don&#8217;t entail physical labor. To say that they do not want to (and sometimes cannot) do the heavy work that Mexican immigrants hire out to do is not racist; it states a fact. Not because they&#8217;re lazy, but because one job is generally enough for a man.</p>
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		<title>By: Loretta B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loretta B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A landscape designer who is a member of my local time-bank will be designing a backyard habitat for me this winter when her busuness is slow. I can&#039;t wait! My little bird friends will be soooo spoiled! I am worried about the cost of all the plantings, though - you got very lucky getting so many plants at 40% off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A landscape designer who is a member of my local time-bank will be designing a backyard habitat for me this winter when her busuness is slow. I can&#8217;t wait! My little bird friends will be soooo spoiled! I am worried about the cost of all the plantings, though &#8211; you got very lucky getting so many plants at 40% off.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with J.D., Frugal Bachelor, your first comment was offensive, not just because of the racial slur, but because of the insinuation that a &quot;white man&quot; is unable or somehow &quot;above&quot; doing manual labor, especially in their own yard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with J.D., Frugal Bachelor, your first comment was offensive, not just because of the racial slur, but because of the insinuation that a &#8220;white man&#8221; is unable or somehow &#8220;above&#8221; doing manual labor, especially in their own yard.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worry about the fact that you&#039;ve used wood from an old deck in the garden.  Wood for decks and play structures until recently was usually pressure-treated with an arsenic solution and is now regarded as toxic.  I hope you&#039;ll get the wood tested.  It seriously isn&#039;t anything to take lightly.  The EPA halted sales of most wood treated this way in 2004, but it had been used for twenty years beforehand.  Here&#039;s the EPA website on pressure-treated wood:
http://www.epa.gov/oppad001/reregistration/cca/cca_qa.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worry about the fact that you&#8217;ve used wood from an old deck in the garden.  Wood for decks and play structures until recently was usually pressure-treated with an arsenic solution and is now regarded as toxic.  I hope you&#8217;ll get the wood tested.  It seriously isn&#8217;t anything to take lightly.  The EPA halted sales of most wood treated this way in 2004, but it had been used for twenty years beforehand.  Here&#8217;s the EPA website on pressure-treated wood:<br />
<a href="http://www.epa.gov/oppad001/reregistration/cca/cca_qa.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.epa.gov/oppad001/reregistration/cca/cca_qa.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm. I think there&#039;s a failure in communication here. &lt;b&gt;Frugal Bachelor&lt;/b&gt;, I am very sympathetic to the plight of immigrants &#8212; legal or otherwise &#8212; and agree that, as you said, &quot;they are the shit, they are bad asses who work very hard, and can earn a buck anywhere they go, they are role models for all of us aspiring to be frugal, to save money, and to get rich slowly.&quot;

Yes. Absolutely.

However, your first comment seemed dismissive of Mexican immigrants (legal or otherwise), not supportive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm. I think there&#8217;s a failure in communication here. <b>Frugal Bachelor</b>, I am very sympathetic to the plight of immigrants &mdash; legal or otherwise &mdash; and agree that, as you said, &#8220;they are the shit, they are bad asses who work very hard, and can earn a buck anywhere they go, they are role models for all of us aspiring to be frugal, to save money, and to get rich slowly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. Absolutely.</p>
<p>However, your first comment seemed dismissive of Mexican immigrants (legal or otherwise), not supportive.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143812</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that its very difficult to get your money back when you sell your house if you spend thousands of dollars in landscaping. It&#039;s one of those things that a home owner has to do - it goes with owning a house. I better way to get out of the work, since you know it isn&#039;t compensated for when purchasing a house, it you buy a house that already has the landscaping done. So - when are you selling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that its very difficult to get your money back when you sell your house if you spend thousands of dollars in landscaping. It&#8217;s one of those things that a home owner has to do &#8211; it goes with owning a house. I better way to get out of the work, since you know it isn&#8217;t compensated for when purchasing a house, it you buy a house that already has the landscaping done. So &#8211; when are you selling?</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Bachelor</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143811</link>
		<dc:creator>Frugal Bachelor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD,

I stand by my comment. I used to live in PDX (97203 - St. Johns!) and I know there are tons of illegal immigrants in that area who would be incredibly thankful to to get just a few hours of work at America&#039;s minimum wage (roughly ten times that of Mexico and even more over other the countries in Central and South America).

Here in Texas, not more than just a couple hours drive from the border, there are many more illegal immigrants than where you live, JD, willing to do quality, back-breaking work for very low wages. Do you believe it is unethical to take advantage?

But, JD, you have made decision to deny their existence, even though they are role models for frugality, etc. (sending many billions of dollars back to Mexico etc. even though earning very low wages). I embrace them for the cheap labor they are, and I believe we should all take advantage. I have traveled all over the world, and have specialized in Latin America, and have traveled extensively there, and I have met guys and even some girls from all over South &amp; Central America who have swam across the Rio Grande risking literally everything they had in order to earn a couple of extra bucks in America. In my opinion they are the shit, they are bad asses who work very hard, and can earn a buck anywhere they go, they are role models for all of us aspiring to be frugal, to save money, and to  get rich slowly. But, yet, you pretend they do not exist. 

Shame on you, JD! The ten million or so undocumented immigrants here in America are exactly like you &amp; me, just trying to earn an extra buck so they can survive and save for the future.  I am sorry that you and I do not see eye to eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD,</p>
<p>I stand by my comment. I used to live in PDX (97203 &#8211; St. Johns!) and I know there are tons of illegal immigrants in that area who would be incredibly thankful to to get just a few hours of work at America&#8217;s minimum wage (roughly ten times that of Mexico and even more over other the countries in Central and South America).</p>
<p>Here in Texas, not more than just a couple hours drive from the border, there are many more illegal immigrants than where you live, JD, willing to do quality, back-breaking work for very low wages. Do you believe it is unethical to take advantage?</p>
<p>But, JD, you have made decision to deny their existence, even though they are role models for frugality, etc. (sending many billions of dollars back to Mexico etc. even though earning very low wages). I embrace them for the cheap labor they are, and I believe we should all take advantage. I have traveled all over the world, and have specialized in Latin America, and have traveled extensively there, and I have met guys and even some girls from all over South &amp; Central America who have swam across the Rio Grande risking literally everything they had in order to earn a couple of extra bucks in America. In my opinion they are the shit, they are bad asses who work very hard, and can earn a buck anywhere they go, they are role models for all of us aspiring to be frugal, to save money, and to  get rich slowly. But, yet, you pretend they do not exist. </p>
<p>Shame on you, JD! The ten million or so undocumented immigrants here in America are exactly like you &amp; me, just trying to earn an extra buck so they can survive and save for the future.  I am sorry that you and I do not see eye to eye.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143809</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while you only posted one picture of part of your yard, i cannot fathom your landscape project costing between 25-30k for a professional to complete

i own a landscaping company and nothing you have mentioned/posted seems out of the ordinary???  

care to share some more pictures?  looks nice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while you only posted one picture of part of your yard, i cannot fathom your landscape project costing between 25-30k for a professional to complete</p>
<p>i own a landscaping company and nothing you have mentioned/posted seems out of the ordinary???  </p>
<p>care to share some more pictures?  looks nice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143803</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article.  What&#039;s interesting to me is that landscaping is an incredibly competitive business; and even with all of the money you might pay to contractors to do the work, they still go out of business all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article.  What&#8217;s interesting to me is that landscaping is an incredibly competitive business; and even with all of the money you might pay to contractors to do the work, they still go out of business all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143799</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frugal Bachelor, your comment makes my brain hurt. I&#039;m tempted to remove it for you, but I&#039;ll let you make that decision. E-mail me if you decide that comment seems as ill-advised to you as it does to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frugal Bachelor, your comment makes my brain hurt. I&#8217;m tempted to remove it for you, but I&#8217;ll let you make that decision. E-mail me if you decide that comment seems as ill-advised to you as it does to me.</p>
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		<title>By: PJohn</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143796</link>
		<dc:creator>PJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frugal Bachelor - You are kidding, right?

Even if you are kidding, I find your comment offensive and ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frugal Bachelor &#8211; You are kidding, right?</p>
<p>Even if you are kidding, I find your comment offensive and ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Bachelor</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143794</link>
		<dc:creator>Frugal Bachelor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just drive down to your neighborhood Home Depot, load your truck full of wetbacks, and give them a case of Bud Light for their trouble, maybe $5 tip if they do exceptionally good job, which they probably will. Problem solved. IMHO there is something fundamentally un-American about a white man operating any type of heavy machinery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just drive down to your neighborhood Home Depot, load your truck full of wetbacks, and give them a case of Bud Light for their trouble, maybe $5 tip if they do exceptionally good job, which they probably will. Problem solved. IMHO there is something fundamentally un-American about a white man operating any type of heavy machinery.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Wiley</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143793</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We, too, landscaped our own back yard, and then our front yard (having gained some experience). They both look lovely, and yes, would have cost many thousands if hired out. Now our college-grad housemate Scott tends and manages our vegetable and berry gardens in exchange for free rent (which helps him repay his student loans faster). 

All of the creativity and interaction  has been rewarding . . . much juicier than conventional, standard-cost modes of doing things. Less consumption can create more joy for both people and planet. 
http://www.diamondcutlife.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We, too, landscaped our own back yard, and then our front yard (having gained some experience). They both look lovely, and yes, would have cost many thousands if hired out. Now our college-grad housemate Scott tends and manages our vegetable and berry gardens in exchange for free rent (which helps him repay his student loans faster). </p>
<p>All of the creativity and interaction  has been rewarding . . . much juicier than conventional, standard-cost modes of doing things. Less consumption can create more joy for both people and planet.<br />
<a href="http://www.diamondcutlife.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.diamondcutlife.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143792</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your yard looks beautiful! What a wonderful mix of uses it lends itself to. Congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your yard looks beautiful! What a wonderful mix of uses it lends itself to. Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143788</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never even thought about having a pro do a consultation and design.  I always figured if you consulted a pro it was to have them do all the work too which was obviously out of our budget.  We designed our own yard plan and I do like it but I could see how a pro would have a more critical eye for details than we did.  I will have to keep this in mind when we purchase a larger place someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never even thought about having a pro do a consultation and design.  I always figured if you consulted a pro it was to have them do all the work too which was obviously out of our budget.  We designed our own yard plan and I do like it but I could see how a pro would have a more critical eye for details than we did.  I will have to keep this in mind when we purchase a larger place someday.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does installing six faucets minimize water waste?  I understand the hose-dragging frustration, but saving water?  Even if it does I don&#039;t know that the water savings will equal the embedded energy in 5 extra faucets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does installing six faucets minimize water waste?  I understand the hose-dragging frustration, but saving water?  Even if it does I don&#8217;t know that the water savings will equal the embedded energy in 5 extra faucets.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/08/09/do-it-yourself-landscaping-can-save-thousands/comment-page-1/#comment-143780</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Winston notes, doing it yourself can save hundreds or thousands of dollars. I think it&#039;s important to understand your limitations when undertaking such projects, however. As he notes, he was willing to pay for certain tasks (design, pouring concrete) because they were outside his area of expertise.

Kris and I have done a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; of work on this house and yard. We&#039;ve done some of this ourselves, but we&#039;ve also opted to pay others to do certain tasks. As I mentioned earlier this summer, we just paid to have work done on our electrical system. I&#039;m okay wiring an outlet or a switch, but I didn&#039;t feel comfortable replacing the old knob-and-tube wiring. 

On the other hand, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/09/09/frugality-in-practice-do-it-yourself-home-maintenance/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I take great joy from doing smaller DIY projects.&lt;/a&gt; Thought these tasks are often frustrating at the time, I learn a lot, and I&#039;m better able to handle projects in the future. 

In the yard, especially, Kris and I are very handy. Also, it&#039;s easier to repair a mistake you make to the yard than it is to make a mistake you make to a house. 

Bottom line: do it yourself when possible, and you can save a lot of money. But don&#039;t compromise safety and quality just to save a buck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Winston notes, doing it yourself can save hundreds or thousands of dollars. I think it&#8217;s important to understand your limitations when undertaking such projects, however. As he notes, he was willing to pay for certain tasks (design, pouring concrete) because they were outside his area of expertise.</p>
<p>Kris and I have done a <i>lot</i> of work on this house and yard. We&#8217;ve done some of this ourselves, but we&#8217;ve also opted to pay others to do certain tasks. As I mentioned earlier this summer, we just paid to have work done on our electrical system. I&#8217;m okay wiring an outlet or a switch, but I didn&#8217;t feel comfortable replacing the old knob-and-tube wiring. </p>
<p>On the other hand, <a href="http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/09/09/frugality-in-practice-do-it-yourself-home-maintenance/" rel="nofollow">I take great joy from doing smaller DIY projects.</a> Thought these tasks are often frustrating at the time, I learn a lot, and I&#8217;m better able to handle projects in the future. </p>
<p>In the yard, especially, Kris and I are very handy. Also, it&#8217;s easier to repair a mistake you make to the yard than it is to make a mistake you make to a house. </p>
<p>Bottom line: do it yourself when possible, and you can save a lot of money. But don&#8217;t compromise safety and quality just to save a buck.</p>
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