Are High Gas Prices Changing the Way We Drive? Print
Wednesday, 13th August 2008 (by J.D.)This article is about Cars, Choices, News
My friend Craig rides the bus to work every day. His family gets by with just one car. “Do you do it to save money?” I asked him recently.
“Well, owning just one car certainly does save money — car payments, gas, insurance, parking — and that’s a major reason I do it,” he said. “But I also do it because it helps the environment, and because it gives me a chance to unwind before I get home.”
Cheap transportation seems to be on everyone’s mind these days. High fuel prices and increased concern for the environment have spurred many of my friends and family to explore alternate methods of transportation. Even I have begun to look for ways to decrease my transportation costs — and I work from home!
Drive less, save more
Some people go even further than Craig to save money. When my friends Chris and Nicole visited Portland last month, they rented a vehicle to make the drive down from Seattle. “Don’t you own a car?” I asked.
“Yes,” Nicole said. “Sort of. We own an old beater, but I only use it to ferry my daughter around town. The rest of the time, I do car-sharing with Zipcar. Chris buys a monthly bus pass and uses that to commute.”
It was difficult for me to believe that these many small expenses actually saved them any money. “Is all of that cost-effective?” I asked.
“Absolutely,” Nicole said. “It’s a lot cheaper than owning and maintaining a new car.”
“Yes, it’s cheaper,” seems to be a common response when I speak with people who have cut back on driving.
Our friends Mike and Rhonda were once a two-car family. They owned a Toyota Forerunner and a Toyota Camry. A few years ago, they moved closer to Portland, sold both vehicles, and replaced them with a new Toyota Prius. Mike now bikes to work most days, and Rhonda drives the Prius. Their primary motivation was a desire to “go green”, but I recently asked Mike if the switch had saved them any money. “Oh yeah,” he said. “A lot!”
Finding ways to save
If driving less can save so much money, why aren’t more people aren’t doing it? Actually, there are signs that maybe they’re starting to. Here are some additional examples from my own life:
- Two of Kris’ co-workers have purchased “commuter cars”, old beaters with good gas mileage specifically for driving to and from work. I’m not sure how cost effective this is — buying an additional car instead of replacing an existing one? — but it’s the strategy they’ve chosen to deal with rising fuel prices.
- I’ve talked to several families who altered vacation plans this summer because of the high cost of fuel. My brother, Jeff, for example, stayed home while his wife and two children jetted to see her parents in Canada. “We couldn’t justify the expense of another ticket,” he told me.
- At the gym recently, two of the guys were talking about their next car purchases as they lifted weights. They both drive SUVs, but they plan to give them up. “I don’t understand why anyone would buy anything but a Prius,” one of the guys said. “That’s what I plan to buy” said the other.
- My youngest brother, Tony, drives a Chevy Silverado pickup truck. He too has begun to consider alternative transportation. “Gas is so expensive,” he told me over dinner the other night. “Biking would save a lot of money. But it’s 15 miles from my house to the office. That’s an hour each way.” Instead, he’s looking at scooters. “I did the math,” he said, “and commuting by scooter would pay for itself within a year. They save that much gas!”
Tony isn’t the only one fascinated by scooters. There’s strong demand for them around the United States. I’ve actually been considering one myself. Since I began working from home, I’ve realized that my crush on the Mini Cooper is impractical. Sure, I want one, but I don’t drive as much as I used to. What’s the sense in buying a $25,000 driveway decoration? Besides, most of my trips are local now. I haven’t ruled out a Mini, but scooters (at $5,000 or less) are looking more attractive every day.
No town is an island
Sometimes it’s difficult to know whether a trend in the Pacific Northwest is representative of the entire country. Portland, especially, can be sort of an island sometimes. (Bikes, for example, are huge here, something I forget until I visit other cities and don’t see any on the road.) This time, however, it seems like maybe the move to alternative transportation is more wide-spread:
- MSN Money: Could you get by with just one car?
- The New York Times: Americans finally react to sting of gas prices
- USA Today: A used Prius is a hot commodity
- The Bakersfield Californian: Scooters, motorcycles moving fast
- Forbes: The least expensive cars to drive
Are people in your city changing their habits to cope with rising fuel prices? Do you plan to make any changes? Are you walking to the store? Biking to work? Have you changed our travel plans? Or are things the same as always?
Scooter photo by paPisc.

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August 13th, 2008 at 5:26 am
Hey JD,
Love the article and I certainly hope that many people in this country are moving in the direction of driving less and choosing more efficient vehicles. One big problem I see is that there are just so many BIG vehicles on the road in the US.
My wife is fascinated by the prius as well and wants one but she feels so safe and comfortable in her current SUV. We live in Dallas, TX so it’s the most common type of vehicle on the road. She’s worried that she won’t feel as secure in the prius and I can see her point, it’s much smaller. Granted, the Prius does great in crash and safety tests, but what they fail to tell you is that these tests are performed on vehicles of similar size and weight. A great crash rating tells you that you will fare well in a wreck with a Carolla or Camry, but it doesn’t tell you anything about your odds if you crash with a Suburban or some other much larger vehicle.
Anyway, my point is that, safety is another big reason people choose the SUV so it may be a slow transition over to smaller vehicles. Even so, with the current price pressure, I think it could still happen (fingers crossed, I’d love to drive a scooter to work! lol)
In the meantime, you can be over 20% more fuel efficient just by driving slower. Does the extra 10 MPH on the highway save you more than 2 or 3 minutes on your commute? Not usually. Does gunning it from light to light ever get you there any faster? Rarely. Slow down and enjoy the ride. (-:
Cheers!
Odd Lot
http://www.Money-and-Investing.com
August 13th, 2008 at 5:33 am
Down here in Houston I am not so sure of how much effect it has had. I have considered trying to bike commute but that has to do with liking cycling and not due to gas prices. I have yet to see anyone in my office come in on a bike, and that is of about 3000 people.
I actually live in a suburb of Houston, but still fairly close to my office. However, in my city there is NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION available. There are no busses or trains or subways at all, to be able to use one I would have to go almost all the way to my office to be able to catch any transportation.
Hopefully it will change some, unfortunatly the infrastructure here is still not setup for it and it will take a fair amount of time for infrastructure to change.
Finally, on the cycling thing, even in the suburbs Houston is NOT bike friendly, there is rarely a lane for cyclists and traffic does not handle you being in the road very kindly either.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:40 am
It seems that people around here are making some changes. I live in the Raleigh, NC area and honestly, there is no real public transporation system here. There is a fairly skeletal bus system in Raleigh itself but, like most cities that have increase their population significantly in the last 20 years, the metro area is very spread out. The bus system is not an option for most people. Having said that though, I did read recently that ridership has increased something like 30% in the last year.
There was an article in the paper the other day about how many scooters people are snapping up. And I see a constant stream of new cars these days. Lots of Prius and quite a few Honda Fit and other small cars. Still way too many SUVs around but I have noticed lately that I am not the only smaller car wherever I go these days.
As a family, we have made a few changes because of gas prices. We have two relatively small cars but that isn’t really a change because we made a concious decision to buy smaller, more fuel efficient cars before the gas prices went nuts. However, when we recently took a trip 4 hours away to see the in-laws we took the smaller of the two cars when we normally would have taken the slightly larger one.
I am considerably more concious when running errands and run them in batches now so that I hit all the places that are close to each other in one trip instead of spreading them out over a week. I even changed jobs (I work part time) to one that is 7 miles away instead of 14 miles away.
I would like to make more changes but most of the more dramatic and impactful ones are not practical for us. I can’t ride a scooter because I generally have at least 1 kid with me, usually 2. I can’t ride a bike most places because I live in a very bike unfriendly area (lots of highways and 4 lane heavily travelled roads). I do a lot more walking than I used to but again I am limited by the traffic situation and walking those roads with kids. However, they did just install a new sidwalk along the major road in our town that now makes it possible for me to walk to the post office, city hall and the library/cultural arts center. My daughter and I are going to a show next week at the cultural arts center and I believe we will be trying out that new sidewalk.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:54 am
Fortunately, the housing bubble caused me to move within walking distance of work. I now hoof it for 8 minutes each way and put the extra cash into my 15 year mortgage. We haven’t parted with the extra car yet, but I am seriously considering it.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:00 am
I live on a major bike lane in my community of Greeley, Colorado and have seen walking, scooter and bicycle traffic double this summer! I am fortunate to live a community where biking to work, the grocery store and just about everything you need is a reality.
I feel for those who live in newer communities and have no choice but to jump in the car to meet all of their needs. Our family has gotten into the act as well. We have a trailer for our 9 month old that doubles as a grocery hauler. Quick trips (the must have late afternoon ice cream) are done on the bicycle as well as job commuting when ever possible. Suprisingly all this peddling has reduced the gas bill enough that we don’t have to feel guilty about the speedy new road bike my husband purchased!
August 13th, 2008 at 6:06 am
I’m in the market for a new vehicle. I drive a motorcycle for my commute and average close to 60 mpg. It’s great three seasons a year, but Michigan snow requires that I also own something with four wheels. So what’s my plan? I’m buying a Jeep.
I’m a chronic used car shopper, always eyeing Craigslist and AutoTrader for good deals. I used to see small four-cylinder cars going for dirt cheap. Now, the prices on those cars have skyrocketed. I’m remembering a clapped-out 1996 Contour that was being offered at $4,000. Just two years ago, that same car would have been worth half that.
Since I don’t do a whole lot of driving, I plan to buy a Jeep Cherokee. I’ve always wanted one. You can get one with all the options (six-cylinder, 4WD, etc) for only a few thousand dollars. I don’t drive enough to worry about the gas cost, and if it becomes a crunch, I’ll take the bus. There’s a line that goes from my back door (literally) to the back door at my office, and I ride for free. Besides, I can still drive the motorcycle as long as the temperatures are above freezing.
With the price I’d pay for a nice Cherokee vs. a beat-up Escort, it seems to be a no-brainer to me. In the midst of these high gas prices, am I the only one considering moving up to an SUV?
August 13th, 2008 at 6:09 am
Last summer when our Volvo finally conked out, we simply didn’t replace it, and I bought a $300 hybrid bike on ebay. This is the point where we started making the most of our decision to live near downtown. My husband has a 45-minute commute, so he gets the car at least 5 days a week. But my “commute” is 2.5 miles one-way to and from campus. All of my doctors and the hair salon I use are within 1.5-2 miles. The longest regular ride I do is to my chiropractor, who is 4.2 miles away, and it’s a lovely uncomplicated ride through mostly old leafy suburbs. When I need to shop, I plan for weekends. When I’ve absolutely had to have a car during the week, we have friends who graciously let me borrow theirs.
The biggest difference I’ve seen in the number of bicycles on the road is that last year, it was basically just me, the occasional student in the immediate environs of campus, a health-conscious neighbor or two, and folks I would guess to be in the predicament of not being able to afford a car, or having had their license suspended for one reason or another (we live a couple blocks away from a sort of shady liquor store–this is the basis of my judgment). This year, there are more students, more neighbors, more business-looking folks, more leisure-looking riders, and the same number of “necessity” riders. And the increased presence of bikers on the road has certainly made a difference in the way people in cars react to my presence–I no longer get honked at or yelled at, for example.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:12 am
hi! my husband is biking to work and I usually take the bus or walk to go someplace, but just recently we joined a trial membership(4months) for MOBILITY here in Genève-where in a member can get a car whenever he needs, and which is parked in different designated spot in the city . I think this is a better way for us having no garage nor parking space and besides we don’t use car that much.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:15 am
I live in Montréal, which has a good public transit system and is one of the most bike-friendly cities in North America. Still, the vast majority of people (more than 70%) drive to work. That is changing now with higher gas prices. I heard a bike-shop owner on the radio last week saying that bike sales this year are through the roof, and all of the bike shops in town are overwhelmed with customers. The bike paths are full of commuters; I see it every morning on my daily ride. And use of the buses and Métro has increased dramatically in the past year. The city has put in additional buses and is buying more Métro cars to meet the demand.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:20 am
What a great article! Thanks for all of the examples of money-saving tips related to vehicles.
I feel like there is a lot of power of knowledge in regards to these situations - planning ahead, locating gas stations, planning errands in a shortest-path sequence, etc. I live in Indianapolis, IN where the public transport isn’t particularly prominent (especially along my work commuet) and the availibility of public transportation will probably effect my internship search in the coming school year.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:26 am
I live in a rural area of Northern Wisconsin. Our county seat has a population of 8,000 and it’s the largest town in a three county area. The next largest town of 30,000 is sixty miles away. Public transporation is unheard of here. Our summers are short - gardening zone 3. We generally have snow on the ground for five to seven months out of the year. Because of this, scooters and bikes have limited practical use. Also because of the snow, SUV’s are necessary. I get frustrated when people make blanket assumptions that anyone who drives an SUV is an evil gas monger. That is not always the case. We have a Toyota Corolla and an SUV. We use the Corolla whenever possible but there are still a lot of times we’d be housebound without the SUV.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:26 am
“Biking would save a lot of money. But it’s 15 miles from my house to
the office. That’s an hour each way.”
Wow, he makes it sound like an hour is a horrible commute!
I’ve been “commuting” to the office by bike for 5 years now. During
the winter I take the commuter train, which costs me $250/month for
the pass. The great thing is I don’t have to drive no matter what the
weather. But it’s an hour ride on a train with way too many people
crammed in (and it’s gotten a lot more crowded lately). Then it’s a
10-15 minute walk in good weather, or anywhere from a 5-25 minute
subway ride in bad weather depending upon it’s timeliness
During the summer months, usually from May-September I bike. I drive
~30 miles from my house to where I park my car, then it’s 15-25 miles
to work depending upon which route I take.
I tend to bike in 3-4 days per week. I have a weeks worth of clothes
at the office, and I tend to take the train on Wednesdays in order to
swap out the laundry. The train costs me $15.00/day when I’m not on
the monthly pass (as opposed to the $12.50/day price of the pass based
on 20 work days/month).
Even with $4.00/gal gas, it’s less costly than $250/month for the
train. Additionally, I don’t need a gym membership, so that’s another
$300+/year savings.
I’m a huge advocate of biking to work. It’s fun, it’s healthy, it’s
very cost effective, and far more enjoyable than any other means of
commuting. Even when it’s raining, it’s more fun
About the last thing I’d do to cut down on fuel costs right now would
be to buy another vehicle *unless* I absolutely had to. The taxes and
insurance related to a new car are far more costly than the price of
gas. And even with a Prius, you won’t start making that money back
until after you’ve had the car for about 5 years.
Also, to buy any of the hybrid vehicles for the sole sake of “going
green” is just plain ridiculous. Sure, they use less gas, but the
manufacturing processes used to build these cars have a much higher
impact on the environment than a gasoline powered car. The heavy
metals contained in the batteries alone are a major concern from an
environmental impact perspective.
The best way to reduce your gasoline costs is simply to drive less.
Short of that, drive more conservatively. Buying another car, even
one which gets better gas mileage is unlikely to save you money except
over the extremely long term (5-10 years) once you figure in taxes and
insurance.
Paul
August 13th, 2008 at 6:27 am
We are very near Milwaukee, and I am also seeing fewer SUVs during commute time (higher proportion of cars) and more bicycles.
I wouldn’t say that the high gas prices are changing our habits much — we like being able to walk and ride bikes places, so we chose where we live to enable that. My DH and I work from home. The kids are 2 blocks from school, we are 6 blocks from the library, and less than a mile from the closest major grocery store. All are walkable on sidewalks on tree-lined streets. If we want to go further away, we are a few blocks from several bus lines and bike lanes and paths, which can get us around for middle-range distances. We own a minivan that we mostly use for hauling and camping, as well as a 1994 Toyota Corolla (164k and not quite dead yet), that we use for shopping and errands.
The problem is that I live in Wisconsin, which has significant winters. All the biking and even the bus options become unappealing when the roads are slushy/icy and the temperature is -20F. (Waiting for a bus in sleet or paying another dollar or two to drive? I’m not that broke. Gimme the keys.)
August 13th, 2008 at 6:27 am
I have a Nissan XTerra, although I drive under 500 miles a month. After using the Edmonds SUV replacement calculator (http://edmunds.com/calculators/gas-guzzler.html), I realized it would take 27 years to make a Prius purchase effective (in my situation, YMMV literally). Plus, the calculator doesn’t take insurance or local taxes into account.
I also use Zipcar and walk most places.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:27 am
Like some of the others, our public transportation system is terrible and limited and biking to work is pretty much a death trap. Changing vehicles right now would not save us any money, so we’ve made some much more minor changes.
My husband and I carpool together about twice a week. We tried to make it more often, but found our schedules and work situations just didn’t allow for much more. We also shifted our working hours to be able to travel when traffic is lighter and we’ve kept many of our weekend activities closer to home.
But admittedly, we continued to keep up our summer camping trips and were able to absorb the additional gas costs within our budget relatively well.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:35 am
I’ve noticed a lot more people around town riding scooters. I’ve thought of it myself, as it seems more practical in my city as we have such a poor bus system.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:36 am
Instead of getting a scooter, I would think about getting a used small motorcycle like a Kawasaki Ninja 250R or Honda VTR250. They are great, easy to ride, fun little bikes. They don’t get quite as good of gas mileage as scooters, but they are a lot better for highway stints and 50-70mpg in a 250cc motorbike is still pretty good. Yes, a motorcycle needs more capital outlay up front (lessons, helmet, gloves, boots, chaps, etc) but it is more practical for everyday use.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:37 am
Things are slowly changing here on the east coast. I recently bought a 4-cylinder car from a family member for a dollar. My husband uses it to commute back and forth to work instead of the big diesel truck. Now, he spends $25 a week on fuel for the car and fuels up the truck once a month. Before the change, we were spending $80 a week on diesel.
I’m also changing the way I drive the van. Oh, I’ll be keeping it. Two kids and all their stuff is not going to fit in a Prius-sorry-and the van is paid for. I’ve done as much coasting as I can and always keep to the speed limit. My gas spending has gone from $60 a week to $40 a week.
My husband and I even took seperate staycations this year. We spent our time off going to see local attractions and working on the house and yard. It was much more satisfying to do that than to come home after a week of spending a couple thousand dollars on a trip to find knee-high grass and all those chores waiting for us.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:38 am
I carpool, and my husband and I decided to make it with one car when his was totaled. So far, no need for a second car, and he works Saturdays (I don’t) and we live in a rural area, 30 minutes from the city.
People thought we were crazy for not buying a second car right away, but we used most of the insurance money to pay off our credit cards and saved part of it for an emergency fund (we’re now working on the auto loan, which will be paid off before the end of the year). I still get asked about what kind of car we’re going to buy, and the truth is, I haven’t thought about it at all. If the situation changes and we find we need two cars again, we’ll buy something used and pay in cash. Until then, we’re saving a lot of money and keeping one more car off the road.
It’s like people can’t fathom only owning one car (also, we live in Texas, and Texans like their vehicles!). No one in our family thought it was a good idea, but I’m glad we didn’t listen.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:39 am
We’ve been a one car family (just 2 of us) for about 3 years. Saved lots of money in insurance and maintenance with one car. My hubby walks to school/work about 1 mile each way. I usually drive 20 min to work each way. It’s a little tricky when the car is in the shop but I’ve bummed rides with co-workers or borrowed cars from friends. Recently I’ve started a combo of carpooling in the mornings with a co-worker and riding the bus home in the evening 2 or 3 days a week. The bus ride is relaxing time to unwind listening to music and reading in the AC. However, I do wish the bus routes were more ‘user-friendly’. I often wait a long time and walk almost a mile to get to my stops and the route takes about 1 hour (compared to 20 min driving). This combo of driving some days, carpooling mornings, and riding the bus in the evenings has given me flexibility to use the car when I need it (i.e. run errands at lunch or get home quickly for evening plans) but still save $$. Also, we pretty much stay in our neighborhood over the weekend–choosing to walk to most restaurants, stores, church, etc. We’ve managed to keep our weekly transportation (including bus fare) budget under $25 a week this way. Oh, btw, we’re in Louisville, KY (not a lot of similarities to Portland).
August 13th, 2008 at 6:50 am
I live near Rochester, NY which is a fairly small city so public transportation is limited to the city. My commute is about 35 minutes one way, for bigger city folks that is probably nothing. But it is all highway, close to 30 miles, one way.
So it just isn’t practical to ride a bike to work since it would quadruple my commute time from 1hr/day to 4+ hrs/day.
Hybrids aren’t practical either because they actually don’t get high MPG on the highway because they use braking to regenerate energy.
So my 28mpg, 10 year old, paid off car is just fine. I try to work from home at least 1 day a week which saves about $9 for that day (2 gals x $4 + maintenance).
I am sure outside of major cities this is probably similar for a lot of people.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:51 am
I’m a Realtor and my car is my mobile office. I can’t always drive less - so I learned to drive differently - I even wrote about it on my blog - http://ctrealestateunleashed.com/2008/05/31/selling-real-estate-in-the-slow-lane/.
It’s saved me some money not enough to cover the increase in costs but enough to make it less painful.
I’ve made some other changes to compensate and save a little more money- I turn off my computer and printer at night, I bought a clothesline, I used the AC less this year, etc.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:53 am
This may sound odd but I actually want to see gas prices to stay in the $4-5 range for awhile (1-2 years). I’m actually a bit disappointed to see them dip down to $3.50 in my area. The reason for this is that if gas prices stay high for a long time (6 months isn’t a long time), I think it’ll be a big catalyst for change in this country of excess. People will start moving closer to work to save money. Yes, it could drive up real estate in downtown areas but with the housing market falling at the moment, this could be a good way to balance it out. I also want to see people to be willing to live in smaller areas and that a 3000 sq ft home is a must. As a lot of people have already noticed, the era of the SUV will come to an end and smaller cars will become the norm. Hopefully, smaller cars will nix the attitude of “I’m bigger than everyone else on the road so everyone else should get out of my way” attitude that a lot of SUV drivers have. Higher gas prices will also push up the numbers of bicycle commuters as well as the demand for public transportation. If more cyclists are on the road, it’ll make hopefully make drivers more aware of them and will spread the “share the road” mentality. As for public transportation, I came from Atlanta which has a horrible subway system for a city of 4+ million people.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:56 am
I’ve only recently realized just what a large percentage of cars are SUV’s, vans, or pickup trucks. And while they weren’t all purchased while gas was in the $4/gallon range, gas has now been well over $2/gallon for several years now.
I like my fuel-efficient (between 30-35mpg) car. I do drive a lot, between my drive to work and visiting family. But I have cut back significantly on small errands. I refuse to make a special trip to the store for anything. I went roughly three days without milk in the refrigerator because I kept forgetting to buy it on the way home. Since I wasn’t willing to walk to the store, I just had peanut butter and jelly for breakfast.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:56 am
i would prefer to drive an old model large car (caddy) for the safety. Gas prices negligible in my case ($50 per week). Lots of people will be nursing big financial headaches after gas goes back down again. It’s already such a small component of my budget that i would rather pay for more gas for a big sedan, espec. when driving family around town. just my 2 cents
August 13th, 2008 at 7:01 am
In and around Boston the subway ridership is way up. However, for those of us who live & work in the ‘burbs public transport & easy access to safe bikeways are mostly unavailable.
My family made some major changes to reduce driving 3 years ago, but that was more due to quality of life than cost savings. (Plus gas was cheap then! Only $2.00!)
Next month when both my kids are old enough to take the school bus, I plan on starting to walk to work or use a push-scooter. Yeah, I’ll look like a dork but I’ll have fun on my commute!
August 13th, 2008 at 7:01 am
When my husband got a new job he could take the train to, we sold his car. Then we moved to a very walkable neighborhood. I drive my commute and that’s pretty much it. We can walk or bike wherever we go.
I encourage everyone to look into Zipcar. My husband participated in their Low Car Diet (http://www.zipcar.com/lowcardiet/) for the past few weeks and has driven to take his tests in a scion, civic hybrid and even a mini cooper!
If anyone in the DC area is considering doing zipcar, leave a message on vonhinken.com and i’ll send more info. There’s a happy hour this weekend to celebrate the end of the low car diet. If you sign up during the happy hour, you get a $50 credit! You know, I should go post this on the forums…
August 13th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Great comments so far.
I grew up in a rural area with no public transportation, so I know how that can affect your car decisions. Also, it rains a lot in Oregon, so that limits how much many people are willing to bike. I’m sure that’s the same in places like Wisconsin, Houston, and North Carolina. (I know that some brave and noble souls will bike year-round in these places, but for most people it’s just too much.)
Also, it completely slipped my mind to mention that the City of Portland has a trip reduction incentive program for its employees. Workers receive $30/month (or about a dollar a day) if they find ways to take alternative transportation at least 80% of the time.
Finally, I’ve been surprised at the number of “green” vehicle dealerships sprouting up in Portland lately. There are two within just a few miles of my house. Green Scene and Ecomotion both sell electric cars, hybrids, bikes, scooters, and more (including used cars with traditional internal combustion engines).
(Oh yeah — electric cars seem to be big around here, too. I know a guy who converted a 1975 Porsche 914 to electric in his spare time. That’s way too extreme for most people, but it’s still a cool idea.)
August 13th, 2008 at 7:02 am
We didn’t really change our habits because of the higher gas prices. We only have one car, which is all paid for. Hubby takes it to work since public transportation is not convenient to Woburn, MA from where we live and I have a monthly pass for subway to come into Cambridge. We fill up about once every 10 days.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:02 am
I live in Savannah, Ga and have noticed large changes already. Bus ridership is up even while the public transit system is skeletal. More notices for carpooling. Increased number of bikes downtown and increase in requests for bike lanes on the roads to City Hall.
We are a one car family as my partner can walk to work. I carpool a couple of times a week and have thought about a scooter myself - although I’d have to keep the car for those rainy days and large grocery runs so I’m still deciding if the overall savings in gas would counteract the outlay to buy it initially.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:10 am
“Two kids and all their stuff is not going to fit in a Prius-sorry…”
Sorry, but that makes no sense. If two kids and “all their stuff” won’t fit in a 4-passenger car, there’s too much “stuff.” It might require some changes in habits, but don’t say it’s impossible! There are plenty of parents who do it all the time, for whom a van is not an option financially.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Here in Chicago I bike to work during the summers, while my fiancee rides the bus. We both take the bus during the long winters.
That’s right, even in a city with plenty o’ subway and commuter rail, we do not own a car and instead take the BUS.
I know Houston doesn’t have ANY public transit….oh wait, here it is: http://www.ridemetro.org/
This is very frustrating for me when people in other cities speak of there being “no public transit”. Apparently buses are some lowly form of transit for “other people”. To be honest I think this is a reflection of our Hollywood, Sex-and-the-City consumerist culture, which says its either the subway or the highway. (In other words buses are what poor people do.)
Well, let me tell you, we are both incredibly successful financially, in fact ridiculously so, and with our huge wallets we carry no shame in making ourselves even better off for taking the bus.
I quit taking the subway long ago when I realized every other yuppie in my city was overflowing the sweaty, humid railcars, all so they could continue to hold a sense of themselves as the next Sarah Jessica Parker or whatever.
I guess they thought themslves too good for a seat on an air-conditioned bus. Too bad because they continue to pay for it, and I feel sorry when I hear people in other cities are wasting their money for the same reasons.
Alex
August 13th, 2008 at 7:16 am
I commute on a motorbike because I love riding a bike and savings on gas are an added bonus.
Car drivers are fickle. When gas prices got near four dollars, I saw lots of bikes on the road. People driving slower. Fewer cars on the road and full buses.
However, now that the gas prices down. Buses are empty. Bikes have disappeared. Cars and truck are back to normal levels and people are back to driving at 75+.
You can save in your current vehicle by just driving slower. According to my dad who works with wind tunnel testing for a major car manufacturer almost 60% of energy spent by the car at 55 MPH is to over come the air resistance. Interesting part is that for most cars driving at 70 MPH the energy usage for countering the air resistance jumps to almost 75%. At 80MPH it gets even worse.
So just drive slower and please watch out for the bikers.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:16 am
We’ve always had just one car (and we’re entering our 7th year of marriage). My husband rides the bus, and I try to walk if I can.
But I have changed some of my driving habits. While I’m not a hyper-miler, I have tried to be more conscious of the way I’m driving, and doing so at a slower pace, trying to ease up on the accelerator and time things so that I don’t need to press so hard on the brakes. And we’re now bordering on obsessive when it comes to keeping our tires properly inflated!
August 13th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Hey hey JD, now you know that even your GRS mod community has its resident scooterist! For city living, nothing beats a scooter. You can park it anywhere, you get 100mpg. Was it high gas prices that changed my behavior? No, for me it was the high carrying cost of insurance and vehicle maintenance that did it!
Though, in the winter, I take the subsidized mass transit. It however, takes me 45 minutes to get into work, whereas via scooter I can get in within 15 minutes.
I cannot strongly urge enough for folk to check out their local scooter store and consider scootering. But please, be safe! Get some motorcycle training, wear the appropriate safety gear, lock your scooter up when youre not riding it, stay visible on the road, and stand up for your traveling rights by treating yourself as if you’re a car.
Yesterday I was traveling down the George Washington Parkway going home, something I’ve done hundreds of times, when a car attempted to drive by me in the lane that I was occupying. They thought since I was a small vehicle they could just go right by. Well thankfully, we were hitting a merge point, so informed the driver that he had to treat me as a motor vehicle, that I had a tag, and a license, and that what he was doing would likely seriously injure a motorcyclist if he did such in the future. The stupid kid thought I was the one who should be off the road.
I suppose that it’ll cost him 75 bucks to fill up his tank to go the same distance I’ll get with 4 bucks is a last laugh, of sorts.
As for other habits, the higher price of commuting has lead my wife and I to purchase reusable bags and trailing carts for our bikes. We now bike to the shops in our area on the weekend to run our errands. Not only is it free transport (we happen to live in a very bike friendly area of NoVa), its free exercise, so no sweating the mojito afterwards.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Owning a car really is a luxury that people have turned in to a neccessity. When you think about the purchase of a car, gas, maintenance, space (and the taxes you pay) to house a car, tires, and insurance that is a lot of money for the average family. Then people go and compound the problem by getting in a car they can’t afford and being upside down in the note.
That being said it has tunred into a neccessity in many places. I live in Memphis and I’m seeing more motorcycles and scooters as well as bicycles. But the city has no bike lanes (literally - zero). This city is also notorious for having bad drivers, with no liscences and without insurance. Plus crime here is so bad and you are very vulnerable on a bike. Public transportation is unreliable as well as unsafe - plus it doesn’t go anywhere I need to go. So 2 cars are still the only option here although I see more and more fools on bikes and scooters. I’m all about not using gas for environmental and finacial purposes, but in this city I wouldn’t dare get on the roads without steel surrounding me.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:20 am
Well, I met a new friend through a green drinks group and we figured out that we both make the same commute at about the same time of day, so we’ve started taking turns driving a couple of times a week (we figured twice a week was more doable to begin with while we feel each other and our schedules out) and we’re looking to up it to 3 times a week. It’s not a huge change really, just a little extra thought before you agree to that late afternoon meeting. We haven’t noticed huge savings yet, but I figure over the course of the year, it will save about $300 in gas costs. The other benefit, though, is that I now only have a couple of days a week that I can “just stop by the store on the way home.” That has already forced me to shop more often with a list and to really plan my purchases. I have no idea how to calculate the savings that unexpected benefit will reap.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Let’s get one thing straight. The US does not have high gas prices. Gas prices are higher than they used to be but they are still very low by world standards.
The credit crunch has not really made a difference to the way people in my city (London, UK) drive. Most people don’t drive but use public transport or cycle. Those that do, drive cars that are on average smaller and more fuel efficient than the average US car. Across Europe, cycling becomes even more common.
I lived in Sydney, Australia until I was 27 and London for the past four years. I have never owned a car and do not even hold a drivers licence.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:24 am
It hasn’t really changed my gas habits — because they were already pretty gas-conscious.
I live in the Denver metro area, and we have really great options for public transportation. I live about 1 1/2 miles from a light rail station and two blocks from a bus stop. I don’t take the bus often, but I take light rail to work every day (I also telecommute to work about 2-3 times a month).
That meeans I can limit my driving to back and forth to the light rail station and driving about for my weekend chores/fun. It usually takes me 3/12 - 4 weeks to need to fill up with another 11-gallon tank of gas.
I drive a Ford Focus. It’s completely paid for. I don’t love it but don’t hate it either — I’ve owned it since late 2001 and have only put about 29,000 miles on it in all that time.
All I have to worry about is insurance, tags and repairs/maintenance. When I have to pay those things sometimes I think it would be easier to not have the car, but there are times when I’d really want to have a car — like grocery shopping. I didn’t have a car til I was 24 and grocery shopping was a big pain.
I am not sure that there is zipcar here and not sure I’d care for it — not ready to go there yet.
I am thinking about moving closer to the light rail stop though so I would be able to walk no more than 5 minutes to catch the light rail as opposed to driving. It’s a walkable distance right now but I’m not that motivated to walk all the way there from home. I’d like to arrive from work a little fresher and with less tired feet than that would give me.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Oh and before anyone jumps on me about Memphis transportation public transportation I did use it for a week. My car was having some body work done and I took the bus to work. I walked a few streets over to catch the bus. Most days I had to wait an hour for the bus to come despite the published stop times. I was also propositioned several times standing there waiting on the bus (in a business suit with a work bag). Several men stopped and offered me a ride. I tried for 4 days to “do the right thing”. After being late for work 4 days straight, being propositioned repeatedly and taking 2 hours to go what would take me 10 minutes in my car (cause you never knew when the bus would actually come) I decided getting a rental car for the rest of the week was best. I use public transportation in real cities all the time (DC, NYC, Chicago), but never again in MEmphis…I can’t afford it.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:28 am
My wife and I considered going down to one car, partly because I work from home, but then I told her I didn’t like being stranded at home all day.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:29 am
We visited my in-laws this past weekend (rural Kentucky) and there has been a sea change there–both his cousins have bought sedans to replace their trucks as their regular vehicles (one has three kids, and they all seem to fit); his aunt bought a sedan to replace her old van; and his stepmother has scaled down to a small SUV instead of the huge one. We were in just this past April, so in 4 months the high gas prices made that much impact on his family.
Obviously this is just one family in one tiny town, but I was shocked at the changes–up until now I think we were viewed as a little citified and snobby for our Prius (which we’ve had for almost three years now–back when gas was only 2+ dollars a gallon).
BTW, I hope a person *can* fit two kids and all their stuff in a Prius because that’s what we’re planning to do…
August 13th, 2008 at 7:30 am
JD,
I wonder how many of your Prius buying friends have children. My husband and I would love a hybrid and we’d love a completely electric vehicle even more!
However… we had twins almost a year ago and while we agreed to avoid the whole “baby machine” claim that having children automatically requires a minivan, we were stumped when we purchased our carseats… my husband is very tall and he could not drive our small sedan with two carseats in the back! His knees were literally up around his ears on either side of the steering wheel!
We gave in and paid cash for a used Kia minivan with terrible gas mileage and I feel guilty using that much gas to ferry around a small family of 4. Just because we can purchase a commodity like gasoline doesn’t mean it is owed to us — we shouldn’t need so much! As a result, we’ve driven that van only 4000 miles in the last year, and 2000 of those were a trip east and back to visit family!
How did we get by on only 2000 miles of town driving in a whole year? For starters, I am busy with baby twins and it is difficult to go places with them! Now that they are approaching one year of age, we are far more active and we walk everywhere! It’s easier to haul them if I just pop them in the stroller and we live in a Big 10 university town in the Midwest, so we can get to plenty of places by walking. As soon as they are old enough to have front-facing carseats (which take up far less room in the car), we are considering trading our van for something more economical.
I do care to be green and I do care about saving money, but I mostly care that our family actively rejects the arrogance associated with “if I can afford it, I deserve it” that is so prevalent these days. As you often describe, many people assume they deserve things even when they can’t afford them, which is exactly how we get into so much debt as a nation! Thanks for your work to counter that mentality — both in your own example and with this website.
Jaime
August 13th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Hybrids still don’t work out economically for the typical driver. It’s easy to say “ride a bike” or “take the bus” when people live in areas where this is feasible, but MOST of the US does not have adequate public transportation, and MOST of the US is constructed to make biking impossible. Scooters are a possibility, but unsafe.
The government would be wise to spend money on reducing oil reliance, except that politicians’ contribution coffers would dry up.
There is some talk about people migrating out of the suburbs and into the city. I think this is mostly hogwash, and migration has more to do with people getting out of their ARMs (by default or otherwise) and into rental situations (more likely to be in the city, especially if their credit is in trouble now).
We’ll move green in energy production. It will be much, much longer before we move green in transportation, especially with oil prices falling $35 barrel in the last few weeks.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:34 am
I tried riding the bus, but here in Daytona - Votran has too many crazies. It’s unfortunate because 85% of the people who ride ARE normal, but it just doesn’t make up for the smelly drunks and psuedo “gangstas”. Besides travel time is an hour to work and an hour and a half back. Normally, it’s about a 20 minute drive. I’m glad I tried it though because if my car ever does break down, I know I have other options.
I do have plans to purchase a scooter to ride to work and my S.O. recently traded in his big pick-up truck for a small car. Since he drives about 120 RT each day to get to work, his new car payment is less than his monthly fuel expense when he owned the truck.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:40 am
If you are seriously considering a scooter, I suggest that you wait. Scooters are like exercise equipment: good intentions but not always follow through. If gas goes back down there will be scooters on the market. If gas stays up, the “fair weather” riders will have nearly new 2-wheelers for sale. High milage, Japanese, 4 cylinder with AC, heat and CD - that’s for me.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:49 am
I live in a college town and I would say that the locals, mainstays and other residents who live here on a constant basis have cut back proportionally on their driving. This summer has seen a lot of the highway traffic reduced significantly. Even rush hour has gone from utterly unbearable to just irritating now. However, as school starts back up again, the college kids are filtering in and these people are relatively immune to the gas price hike as they drive cars that are already paid for by mommy and daddy and even the gas itself is taken care of.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:54 am
i figured the cost of taking the bus. it’s not much less than the cost of gas for my car, and adds about 2 hours to my day because routes are so limited. the time is worth it to me to keep driving.
biking is not an option here. there are no bike lanes, no shoulders, and no respect for bikers. this was a big shock when we first moved here, since we came from a very bike friendly area. i personally know 3 people who have been hit by cars while biking here, and i’m not taking that chance until we move somewhere more bike friendly.
we bought a hybrid 3 years ago, and that’s serving us very well. last year we bought a car that runs on free restaurant grease for my husband, because he has no choice but to do a lot of driving for the time being and we just can’t afford gas for that, even in the hybrid. his car is about 25 years old, so we spent $79 on a AAA plus membership to cover him in case of a breakdown.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:59 am
We have always based our living location on public transport and neighborhood walkability. It has never made sense to me to spend time driving when you could be reading on the train or walking — and the increased cost of driving has just reinforced that.
When we lived in San Francisco, we chose a place walking distance from my job and from the Muni/BART station. Now that we’re in the Chicago area, we chose Oak Park so my husband can take the El or Metra to work. I CAN walk the kids around town, although I’m working on the self-discipline and light schedule necessary to make that actually happen every day.
Yes, we may pay more for housing than we save on the cost of driving. But it pays us back in quality of life.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:13 am
I live in Chicago, so there is a wide network of public transportation options and an increasingly friendly bike system along many of the major streets. I do freelance work in client’s homes and was driving every day out of laziness (and also eating a lot of crap via drive-through). I’ve recently made the switch back to the train and riding my bike on good-weather days. I own a ten-year-old car purchased from a family member and have a very low car payment. I try to use this as little as possible and only on the days when the others are not options. I find that my commute time is actually about the same taking public transportation as when I was driving, but I don’t waste gas sitting in traffic, don’t eat fast food crap and I feel less stressed overall. I didn’t even realize I had felt stressed while driving until I started doing it less. I walk to the bank and grocery store, etc…, so I tend to drive a lot less than some of my suburban friends where many things tend to be centered around driving. This system is saving me at least $80/month on fuel costs alone. I haven’t calculated all the savings yet, but the monetary savings are only a part of the benefits of driving less. I’m using this savings to support my working less and having more free time to be creative. In our metro area, I have seen an increase in scooter traffic, bicyclists, and Smart Cars, but there are still a lot of big cars and SUV’s on the road. I plan to continue my public transportation and biking throughout the year, even in the cold, crazy Chicago winter.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:17 am
a couple comments on the hybrid comments:
1. the whole myth of the nickel mining effects on the environment has been thoroughly debunked. the prius has approximately the same impact as a large vehicle, which is reduced over the car’s lifetime in decreased emissions.
2. i get 45 mpg on the highway in a prius. to get under 40 mpg, i have to go about 90 mph. (tried it on a segment of a long road trip once late at night with no other traffic.)
3. the hatchback fits plenty of stuff in it. i know a family with 3 kids who takes the occasional road trip in their prius. it can be done.
4. economically, it has been great for us. we were going to buy a $25k car anyway, we paid it off in under 3 years, and in 55k miles we’ve saved a ton in gas money over the other options we were considering. (no, not the typical yaris and corolla comparison, those cars were too small for our taste.)
just my experience. ymmv.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:22 am
I walk or bike most of the year and bus in the winter. I’ve seen quite a few more scooters and bikes about, and I know that the emerg docs I work with have seen an increase in the number of scooter riders and cyclists coming in after accidents.
It’s not a strict survey but they have said a lot of the accidents did not involve anyone else, just people unused to riding a scooter or bike. So please if you make the change take care to educate yourself on safe riding and plan your route and practice it on weekend days etc.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:29 am
I have changed my habits due higher gas prices. While I will still drive my car when necessary (such as to work) I take public transportation as often as I can. I find it much cheaper to buy a metro card and use the money on there if I need to go shopping than to drive my car for 20 min. Sure, it takes more time on the train, but I save much more on gas. Also, there is much less wear and tear on my car which also saves a lot.
Have you heard anything about people buying smart cars? I’ve only seen one on the road thus far, but it seems to me that this car may be a better alternative to a Prius if you do not have a family. What are your thoughts?
August 13th, 2008 at 8:30 am
We’re a single-car household and hoping to stay that way as long as possible, although my SO is considering a career track which will involve a lot of local travel so that may not work forever. I walk or bike to work almost every day. (He’ll sometimes give me a lift in the middle of a thunderstorm, but as we live in New Mexico that’s not usually an issue.)
The biking part is difficult because so few people do it in my area that few drivers know how to share the road, unfortunately. The bus system here isn’t very good, but my SO uses it to go to the library sometimes. We’re hoping in a couple years to move back to my hometown, which for a small town has a very good bus system–actually, sometimes it’s easier for small towns, because all the commercial stuff is on the same main drag.
But we’d probably be doing this anyway. I hate driving and have never personally been licensed, although I’ll get it before we have kids for emergencies. I’ve never been able to see why people are so in love with driving places.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:32 am
i’ve been ahead of the curve on this one for a long time–for the past 10yrs drivin nothing but beaters (have never made a car payment–its like throwin money away to asuage one’s ego) and use my bike to get around town. Although in the northeast it get tough after the first snow storm.Seems like scooters adn bike shouls be the norm in twarmer climates. plus ridin a bike is getting free exercise.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:32 am
In Sweden, where I live, one car has always been what most families have. At least if you live in or just outside a city, otherwise you might have more than one car. It is also common not to have a car at all, typically if you’re single and live in a larger city where the public transportation system is sufficient for most needs. In the last few years, public transportation has seen a significant rise in number of passengers as well.
We’ve had environmental taxes on fuel for decades, which I suppose is one reason having multiple cars were never as common as in the US. But the trend towards more fuel efficient cars is strong here as well. I sure will be looking much more closely at gas mileage the next time we have to replace the car.
Scooters have become immensely popular these last few years. Mostly among teenagers, but quite a few adults are using them to get to work nowadays. I have a long commute by train, but got a scooter last year in order to get to the train station faster. The chinese make scooter cost me about USD 1000.
I think the scooter is good value, and pleasant to drive as well (unless it is pouring down). The only drawback is that insurance is expensive. In Sweden it is mandatory to have an accident insurance, but not theft insurance. I only have accident insurance, but even that is about USD 350 a year. Almost as much as for a car. It’s expensive because there’s been a lot of accidents with scooters involved.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:34 am
I actually changed my driving habits for a couple of reasons - gas prices were the least of them. I live in the city with street parking. A pain. I also got annoyed with how much it costs for maintenance (for a car that sits on the street most of the time). Plus driving anywhere still means finding parking, which negates the convenience of driving. And then there’s environmental and political impact - whatever I can do to lessen it!
So I sold my car. Haven’t missed it. Got zipcar and have rented once to go out of town. Carpool with friends and help pay for gas on out of town trips.
I started taking public transportation to get around, and realized it’s actually faster for me to just walk. So I walk to work and most of my other activities. I take the train or bus to go places more than 2 miles away.
Not counting the wear and tear on shoes, I estimate I spend maybe $50 on all my transportation costs per month (that includes gas in the carpool, train/bus fare). A steal. Plus, I get about 2-4 miles of walking in a day - about an extra 250 calories burned.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Here in Philly we have what’s called PhillyCarShare.org. It’s a non-profit that puts cars all over the city, everything from hatchback Prius’s to convertables. You bacome a member and then pay a small fee to use the car. It’s cheaper than owning, especially if you use public transit for other trips like going to work. They have cars stationed in parking lots and grages all over the city that you can reserve onlie. You get a keyfob that will open a car that you have reserved so you can drive it. They station them in ikea parking lots for people who need to tow stuff. It’s really convenient. The city is currently trying to work out a similar free program with bikes.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Someone asked above about Smart cars — we’ve had them here in Montreal for a number of years now (they were allowed in Canada before the US), and their owners seem happy with them. They’re not great on the highway, but for city traffic they’re excellent and remarkably safe (you can see the crash-test videos online, pretty impressive). The only reason we didn’t buy one is that we use our car mainly for hauling things and getting lots of groceries. With two people in the car there’s not a whole lot of room for much else.
For people with kids looking for alternatives to a minivan, consider the Toyota Matrix. I’m 6′4″ and have long legs; I’ve put carseats in the back (for friends’ kids) and had no trouble. The Matrix gets around 33-34 mpg; it’s a Corolla with a different body. I find it very practical.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:48 am
“This may sound odd but I actually want to see gas prices to stay in the $4-5 range for awhile (1-2 years). I’m actually a bit disappointed to see them dip down to $3.50 in my area. The reason for this is that if gas prices stay high for a long time (6 months isn’t a long time), I think it’ll be a big catalyst for change in this country of excess. People will start moving closer to work to save money. Yes, it could drive up real estate in downtown areas but with the housing market falling at the moment, this could be a good way to balance it out.”
I do appreciate the perspective but object to it on a lot of levels.
1. The area I live in is very dependent on tourism. There are businesses that are seeing a 75% drop this year - businesses that have supported families for over 30 years that don’t know if they’ll make it through this year. The ripple effect on our local economy will be devastating.
2. Who is going to buy all these houses in the burbs so everyone can move closer to the city? You can’t sell a house without a buyer.
3. The housing bubble burst because the housing expense to income ratio has been way out of whack - in other words it burst because housing was too expensive. Housing needs to come down and/or wages need to increase. Increased housing prices in cities would not be good or helpful at this point in time.
Like it or not, our economy is largely based on and driven by oil. The ripple effect of high oil prices is scary. Osama bin Ladin’s goal was to get oil to $200 a barrel because he calculated that was high enough to collapse our economy. Saying you hope gas prices stay high is akin to saying you hope there’s another Great Depression.
Yes, I agree we need to transition off of oil. Yes, I agree we need to end our oil dependency but there’s got to be a better way to do it than by pushing millions of families into financial ruin.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:05 am
To the person in sweden..
Two things.
1)) Chinese made scooters often have parts problems and you can’t get replacement parts. Stick with Japanese, Taiwanese, or Italian brands.
2) 350 a year for insurance??? Wow. Insurance for our two scooters isn’t above 275 a year for BOTH, and that’s full comprehensive with low deductible.
Bob, I think is wrong about gas prices changing and affecting the number of scooters for sale. However, he is right in that there are alot of folks who buy a scooter brand new, and then don’t like (most commonly, its don’t feel safe or they dont buy equipment to drive in rain or snow) the experience, and they’re sold for half price on craiglist.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Great post, really hits home JD.
I have a GMC Sierra because we own a travel trailer and enjoy camping…and do not want to change that lifestyle. So for commuting to work and quick trips to store I bought a Honda Metropolitan for $1200 from a friend last year. My annual insurance amount is about $100. I get 85 MPG, so during much of the year I save A LOT on gas.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Interesting.
Here in the UK I’d say that your fuel prices are ridiculously cheap. I agree with Caitlin that here it hasn’t made much difference to the daily commute - working in a city most people already take the train or bus to work anyway.
I’m a strictly non-car person. Works well for me, I’ve also always been a non-car person when travelling and I’ve used the buses in Houston. In fact, I’ve always found buses in the States to be pretty good, at least as good as the UK.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:21 am
I sold my car in January because I just wasn’t using it enough to justify the expenses. I figured I’d try life without a car, and if it became unbearable I could always buy something cheaper. I was taking the train in to work every day, so I didn’t need a car to get to work.
A month later I moved in to Minneapolis and started taking the bus. Once the weather got better I bought a bike and I haven’t been on the bus since. It’s been fantastic - I’ve saved a ton of money, I’m the healthiest I’ve been in years, and I have a new perspective and appreciation for my city.
As for the idea that SUVs are safer than a smaller car, they’re not. You feel safer, and as a result you’re really not. You’re removed from your surroundings, and an SUV is not as nimble as a small car. If you hit something, you might be safer. But a smaller car is much less likely to actually hit something. Malcolm Gladwell wrote a great piece on this in 2004 at http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_01_12_a_suv.html.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Having been a motorcyclist for 30 years and close to 500k miles, I’d suggest a couple of things to keep in mind. Get training! In the US, try http://www.msf-usa.org/ MSF stands for Motorcycle Safety Foundation, but most of the stuff they teach will also apply to scooters. It’s about learning how to handle 2 wheels instead of 4 - there are differences and it’s better (safer!) to learn in a classroom. Also, many insurance companies will give a discount (mine gives 10%) for completing this course. Somebody said something about saving money on a scooter because you don’t have to buy safety gear (helmet, etc.) - that may or may not be legal in your area, but it certainly isn’t safe. You use a helmet on your bicycle, don’t you? Any scooter or motorcycle will go fast enough to do much more damage to you if the worst happens - always wear a helmet at the minimum!
Also, storage space on any 2 wheeler is limited. You won’t be able to swing into the grocery store and pick up 6 bags of food on the way home like you could in the car. I ride a large motorcycle, with side bags and a trunk (looks like one of these: http://tinyurl.com/6lmn2s) and at best, I can stuff 4 bags of groceries into it. Depending on what else I’ve got with me, sometimes a lot less than that. Most bikes have very little storage. Look at most of the riders you see and you may notice a large number of them wearing backpacks - just the place for that quart of milk or loaf of bread that you have to pick up.
If you are seriously considering a 2-wheeler, now might be the time to do some research and start looking for one. As someone else pointed out, used ones can be good deals (although they don’t drop in price as much as a car), and as summer ends and fall begins, many fair-weather riders will want to sell, so the supply should be good soon.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:42 am
@Alex, I had commented that in the suburb of Houston there is no public transportation. Just to make sure I just went over the maps on ride metro and the closest bus stop to me is 7 miles, and my office is 10 miles.
I just purchased my home and chose one based on proximity to work and to be in what I considered to be a respectable and safe neighborhood.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:46 am
We’ve made no change, and neither has much of anyone we know, but that’s because we already do all of the things that everyone else is talking about doing. I walk to work–my son’s preschool is on site, so he comes with me–and my husband takes the bus. I pick up groceries on the walk home, although we make a trip across town by car for staples every two weeks, and a weekly trip by car to pick up our CSA box (it’s a little over a mile, but it’s awkward to carry the box on foot, and we have to move the car that night for street cleaning anyway). We’ve had one car for over a decade, since we started dating.
My sister and her husband don’t have a car at all. My in-laws have shared one car since they moved out of NYC in the 1960s (where they had no car). Most of my colleagues bike to work or take transit, which is strongly encouraged by our employer, and many don’t have cars at all. I’m always surprised when I’m reminded that many American households have one car per driver. What a hassle! I’d far rather deal with occasionally rubbing against humanity on the bus than deal with the expense and traffic involved with driving. I suppose people can get used to anything, though.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am
i drive a little 4 banger to work.. it’s no hybrid but it gets 30+ mpg city and highway combined (toyota tercel)
the v8 sits in the garage.. weekend only car
August 13th, 2008 at 9:50 am
My family took a family trip this year to Las Vegas and Disneyland, but decided to drive instead of flying. Cheaper to drive with gas @4 than fly and rent cars in LV and Anaheim. We actually averaged 23 mpg in our suv. I was very impressed.
Now that we are back home, we drive less than 30 miles a week and my wife uses a vanpool at work. Her company also pays her not to drive by reimbursing for the vanpool. A very nice incentive.
I don’t know if we could go down to one vehicle in our family as it would be a stretch. It’s possible, but it would add another hour to my wife’s 2 hour commute.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:58 am
When we lived in the Twin Cities, biking was hugely popular. Even in the winter.
Here in rural Virginia, it’s not so popular. My husband won’t even consider riding the 25 miles to work on his bike (he used to ride every day in grad school), not because of the commute, but because of the danger. Too many people are hit around here to make it seem safe.
We’re currently using one car. I stay home with our two boys. We’ve talked about getting another car. We even went to see a 2000 Subaru Outback, but at $5,000 we felt it was a bit much for a luxury. We know at some point we’re going to need to buy a minivan (perhaps when the next one comes along), but right now our 2001 paid for Jetta gets 35 mpg and it works for us right now.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:04 am
I commute with a bike and also have a motorcycle. I’ll second the comments about rider safety, scooter or motorcycle, both are capable of speeds that will cause serious injury if you crash. I have walked away from a motorcycle crash (front tire blowout at 60mph) because I was wearing full safety gear. I would recommend “Proficient Motorcycling” by David L. Hough as required reading for anyone going to 2 wheels. Don’t let me scare you away from riding. If done safely it is amazing. When you are on a motorcycle you connect with your surroundings in a way that is not possible in any kind of car. My best travel memories are riding a motorcycle along the pacific coast, glacier national park, yellowstone etc. Not to mention the motorcycling community is very friendly. There have been many times when I have been stopped by the side of the road to stretch or get a drink of water and a complete stranger on a motorcycle will stop just to make sure I am not having mechanical troubles. If you buy an older motorcycle they are very cheap and VERY easy to make repairs on. Everything is out in the open and the mechanics and electrics are usually very simple.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Hi JD,
I know a mini owner and she needs to buy premium fuel. Any MPG savings are wiped out by the cost.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:09 am
We’re stuck with two vehicles. My husband is a carpenter by trade, so he has (and always will have) a pickup truck for work. We own another smaller vehicle (but still not teeny, it’s a Mazda5) for family trips.
We certainly have changed the way the pickup is driven - fewer hikes, fewer ski trips, fewer excursions. But I still haven’t given up commuting in the family car. It just isn’t painful enough.
My company offers free bus service and I still don’t take advantage of it. My daily commute is 25 miles round trip, or 1 gallon of gas, which makes for a monthly commuting cost to me of $90. If I drive, the commute is 30 minutes each way. If I take the bus, I have to drive 2 miles to the park and ride (7 minutes), wait for the bus (7 minutes to allow buffer), take a 30 minute bus ride, then walk to my office from the bus stop (5 minutes), for an additional daily time cost of 38 minutes, or 14 hours a month. These are 14 hours a month I spend with my toddler daughter. I’m spending $6.43/hr to buy back this short time in her life. I consider this a good deal. If gas gets even more expensive, or traffic gets worse and extends my drive time, then and only then I will reconsider my commute.
The next car I buy (granted, this will hopefully be 8 years from now) will be smaller.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:13 am
JD, if you’re interested in scooters, I invite you to come to Plan B on any Tuesday night, where the local scooter community gathers to hang out. You can have any questions answered you want, without a dealer trying to sell you on their model. Most of us focus on vintage bikes, but we’re all very knowledgeable about the various options and we all know from experience which dealers to avoid and which are good. Just look for a table with a bunch of helmets on it and introduce yourself.
Oh, another bonus: scooters and motorcycles cost $30/month for parking at Smart Park.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:13 am
I wish the US had public transportation like Germany and other European countries have. The great trains, subways, buses. And bicycle lanes separated from both car lanes and pedestrian sidewalks to make it safer for everyone (saw this in the Netherlands).
My boyfriend and I live and work in downtown Seattle, which means our “commute” is short, free (ride-free bus zone), and walkable. We use Zipcar to get groceries and make other trips (but more often take the bus), though not often since $10/hr can quickly become spendy.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:47 am
If you’re looking at this purely to save money, a brand new hybrid is a bad investment.
A used high-mileage car will still save you more money over the life of the car; it can take a prius 10-20 years to catch up with an old civic since you get such a head start on the price of the car.
Sure there’s other factors. There’s the prestige of having a hybrid (some would call that smug), the pleasure of driving a new car, and any other personal wants and desires. Those are all valid reasons to choose one car over another. Just don’t assume you’re saving the most money without doing the math first.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:59 am
We have cut back our miles driven to less than 1,500 miles a month. My 2004 Ford F150 costs $0.31 per mile to drive; 2006 Toyota Sienna $0.21. We have shifted miles off of the truck to the van to make our dollars stretch their furthest. I have tuned up my hybrid bike to make the daily work commute. Now, the truck spends more time sunning itself than scooting around town. When gas hit $4.49 a gallon in greater Sacramento, I was faced with a $125 fill-up. Personally, I made the decision to invest in my health rather than a ballooning gasoline line item in the family budget. My only regret is biking on days when it is 100+ degrees. I’m a stinky sweater!
August 13th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Nowadays in NYC, significantly more people have turned to taking the subway compared to just a year ago. It is quite hard to get a seat on the train now and you’ll see many more people in clean suits riding on the train.
My boss, a dentist, used to drive to his office in Midtown Manhattan. When gas prices started rising, he just gave up on driving and started taking the train also (odd for a guy who owns 2 cars and 2 sailboats).
August 13th, 2008 at 11:13 am
I’m not sure what the fuss is, really. I haven’t changed any part of my driving habits because of the increase in gas prices.
I live in San Francisco, which always seems to have the highest gas prices in the nation, and I buy premium gas for my car (I have a VW GTI VR6 which requires premium unleaded, but which also gets 27 MPG highway). I’m used to paying a lot for gas. In fact, there’s a station that was charging close to $5 for two months, and when they reduced their price to $4.40, I said to myself, that’s cheap! I don’t know of a station in SF that is under $4 yet.
I realize that owning and driving a car is a privilege and a choice, and if gas gets too outrageous, I’ll stop driving and take public transportation in the Bay Area. But so far, it hasn’t become unbearable, and I still drive to work and back every day. It’s funny, back in 1991, when gas was just under $2 a gallon, I swore that I would stop driving if it went over the two-dollar mark, and yet, I kept going. Same thing with $3, and more recently with $4.
I still take road trips on the weekends, sometimes spending up to $150 a weekend on gas alone. I realize that it is exorbitant, but it’s my choice, and I’m not suffering yet. I like to drive, and I’m willing to pay the price.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:13 am
I’m lucky enough to have lived in the SF Bay Area for the six years since I graduated college, and we only had a car for about two years during that time. We bought a Civic in spring 04 for my husband to commute to a new job in San Jose (one hour+ each way). But we sold it back in November after he had switched jobs again when we realized we weren’t using it that much. By not paying insurance, the car payment, our parking spot, gas, and maintenance, we have more than enough money for Zipcars, transit passes, the occasional weekend rental car, and even some extra savings - all the more important since I will be entering a full-time Masters degree program this fall. I also love the green factor, even though it takes us longer/more planning to get places sometimes. I hope that my efforts help offset for people who don’t get to live in a good transit area. But if you do, I wholeheartedly recommend the Low Car Diet, whether with Zipcar or just on your own. It’s definitely worth it and you end up getting to know your city really well when you take the bus or walk to more places.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:19 am
I live in inner SE Portland; my husband and I commute together. We pay $152 for a monthly parking spot downtown…two monthly bus passes currently total $150 and the bus pass is going up! Sure, we also have to count amortizing the car value and gas and maintenance, but the car just looks a lot better. No standing in the rain or heat waiting for the next bus, hoping it’s not too full to take on passengers. Plus our commute is a 15-minute drive versus a 45-minute bus ride (due to stopping every 2 blocks and underpowered engines for the uphill evening commute).
Our commute is under 4 miles each way. I’ve thought about walking it or biking, but it’s downhill in the morning and uphill at the end of the day, when you’re tired. The other problem with the bus is I get motion sick, severely enough that I need to lie down for a half hour after a bus ride.
There’s one big issue I don’t see people discussing: all these car alternatives like walking, biking, or riding a scooter, are only options for the temporarily able-bodied. Anyone with a chronic disease or disability, or a temporary injury, has fewer options.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:21 am
I have been seeing more and more motorcycles on the road today and less large vehicles. I am not sure if it is my a mis perception on my part or if it is actually true. However, I do believe people really are changing the way they live to accommodate high oil prices. It seems to be in the news every day and people are finally opting for change by buying smaller cars and taking transit. As unfortunate as high gas prices have been, it truly does have it’s long term benefits.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:35 am
When I talked to my brother the other day, he was laughing about how his 2-year-old Prius is the only car he’s ever had that’s worth more than when he bought it now that everyone’s trying to buy them.
Personally, I live in Manhattan so I subway everywhere. My workplace has a program that will let me pay for my monthly transit pass out of pretax dollars, so that saves me about $30 a month right there. We haven’t owned a car in 3 years, which is how I like it. I grew up in small-town Texas where there was minimal to no public transit and the parking lots spread wide across the prairie. It’s a nice change.
Although I love public transportation and think people should use it whenever possible, I also think that it’s probably not a feasible alternative for most folks. American suburbs are too far-flung and spread out for public transit to become an efficient way to get to work for most people–at least, not without some big taxes to pay for it all, which will not be popular. So my hope is that demand will press car makers to deliver ever-more-efficient vehicles that will let Joe Schmoe get himself to work in a way that isn’t actively ruinous to the environment.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:36 am
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August 13th, 2008 at 11:50 am
I am all for biking, walking when you can. Like others, I have a long commute and no public transportation to my workplace. Actually I could drive just to the park and ride at the 31 mile mark, and take the bus the other 5 miles - but it would require transferring to 3 different busses to get where I am going. But here’s the thing - I live in Ohio, where we have 3 seasons - Snowy, Rainy and about 3-1/2 months of not snowing or raining. Biking any distance over a mile or two is out of the questions. And also where I live, there are limited shoulders and no bike paths.
However, I have seriously cut back on my driving. I used to go to Canada about once every other month and a quarterly pilgrimage to IKEA has been cut back to once or twice a year.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:51 am
I agree that us Portlanders are definitely ahead of the curve, but usually similar behaviors are adopted elsewhere in time. The thing I notice is that people in Portland often adopt gas saving habits for the enviornment or other social reasons. In other parts of the country people will make changes that help their wallets.
A point of contention for me is the opinion that the Prius is the best car ever. I know several people that have them and see them everywhere, but their gas mileage is pretty comparable to other small cars on the highway. They also seem to have horrible blind spots that significantly impact safety in my opinion.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:58 am
I love how flexible things are in Portland. Unfortunately, I need to have my car at work most days for my job and I live far enough away that it doesn’t make sense for me to give up my car. There are definitely some days where I’m jealous of my bike riding co-workers!
While I know it’s not an option for me now, I hope that one day I’ll be much less car dependent. My husband has been talking about getting a scooter once we move and he’s in his job, but with our wet fall - spring, I’m not sure how great of an idea that is. At least anything we do will be accepted here!
August 13th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Great article. My wife and I just moved to a new city. We almost bought a house in the suburbs 20 miles from our work, but instead we are renting a house next door to my wife’s work and on the bus line. SO I take the bus downtown everyday, which is a lot cheaper than putting premium in my 12MPG fuel-sucking SUV. We have saved a lot of $ by not filling up so often. We also opted for a staycation this summer as opposed to driving the 600 miles to our typical beach spot.
One last thing, and let me clarify I am in no way affiliated with this blog US Miles Driven Declines, but I thought it was interesting and related except on a macro level whereas GRS tends to be micro oriented.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
The cost of rising gas prices have forced me to reconsider my driving habits around Minneapolis. I just wanted to let you know that Portland is not the only city that embraces biking as an alternative to driving. Minneapolis has NUMEROUS upon NUMEROUS miles of bike trails throughout the city, not including the surrounding metropolitan areas.
It is great to hear that there are other cities out there that provide bike trails for cyclists!
August 13th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I live in Tampa, Fl. Were most of the drivers are very wealthy & extremely important. I know this because they continue to drive like it.
They race to the next stop light, talk on the cell phone while driving, spend lots of time idling in the drive thru lines, and driving like total idiots. I however, am not rich or important, so I plan my trips, combine my trips, and drive conservitavly. My car is rated 17 mpg city, I get 18.75 mpg city. I cut my miles driven by almost 35% and my monthly gas bill has gone down…
August 13th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
We just received our conversion kit to make our 1985 Mercedes diesel station wagon, which gets about 30 m.p.g., run on used vegetable oil. The people at Greasecar.com took a while to get it to us, ’cause they’re a bit backordered, they’re so popular. The price of diesels has gone up for this reason.
I’ve considered scooters. Just got a quote for insuring a 2005 50cc Honda Metropolitan– $75 a year, here in a major city where insurance rates are higher (though where scooters make the most sense).
August 13th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
My husband and I sold one of our two cars to finance our wedding almost 9 years ago. He had started bike commuting (on the Monterey Coast)and loved it. When we moved to Portland 7 years ago, we started out in an apartment close to the Max. Now we are entrenched in suburbia. We still have one car (toyota camry) which I drive (kids, groceries) and he still commutes by bike, rain or shine. Since we have been doing this for so long, it’s hard for me to put a monetary value on it. Most people think we are nuts, so maybe it’s more of a lifestyle. I wouldn’t change it for the world. I’ve even started grocery shopping by bike on the weekends. I’m probably more of a fair weather rider, but it is satisfying to bring home the bacon on a bike!
August 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
handworn, good luck with the conversion! going greasy is very near to paying for our 85 benz. that’s purchase price and all repairs to date, over the price of gas to run husband’s gas-only car that’s already paid for. we’ve owned it for under one year and done a lot of work to it, oh and spent about $800 on a centrifugal filter setup since he uses a whole lot of fuel. it’s a big money saver.
August 13th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
We didn’t replace our second car when it got stolen. Instead we banked the insurance money and I started taking the bus regularly. We found that the cost of the bus ticket is roughly equivalent to the price you would pay for gas for the same trip, but when you factor in things like insurance, maintenance and registration (taxes) it is a lot cheaper not to own a second car.
August 13th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
The fuel situation is causing a fascinating paradigm shift all the way around. I heard on the news recently that the decrease in fuel consumption is higher than ever before in recorded history. People have made the conscious shift to alternative modes…hallelujah! Now, if we can all keep our tempers under control as we deal with congested bus routes, busy bicycle lanes, and pedestrians sharing the sidewalks with a higher number of walkers. Good problems to have!
August 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I drive an older 98 buick lesabre with a 3.8 in it, I am surprised at all of the people who are focused on buying “small cars”. I researched the market and found that new cars get worse mileage than the vintage 90’s and early 2,000 cars. I get 30 mpg with it and it is a huge car. My eagle vision got 26-28 miles per gallon and that was also a midsize car. What happened? Now everyone is thinking “tiny” and still only getting 30-35 mpg. You can save by just buying a car instead of a truck or suv.
Spending 30,000 on a new car is not saving a thing. It is a status symbol of the new cool, to own a prius, just like it was cool to have a suv or 4 door truck two years ago.
If you actually figured out your savings there would not be any.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
TO Dave and the motorcyclists:
Yes, taking the MSF course should be required for anyone who is on a motorized two wheeled vehicle. I took that course and its probably saved me from 3 accidents so far.
To whoever is thinking about a Honda Met, that’s a great little scooter to get around town.
To the Plan B folks up in the west, you guys need to Cannonball your way down to DC for Scootergate!
August 13th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
I now ride my bike 9 miles a day. I guess that I’ve saved $400 in gas, not to mention the exhaust gases. I plan to continue far after gas prices ’stabilize’ at the small percentage reduction conceded by the big-oil gods. Besides, the health benefit is a no-brainer.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
I currently live in a medium-sized midwestern city with so-so public transit and a job that requires me to move between sites. So I drive an 8 year old civic, which works great. I am interviewing for a job in a larger, less southern midwestern city and my husband and I are looking at public-transit friendly or walking/biking distance homes if I get the job. We will then sell both paid-for vehicles (a 4 runner — we used to live in rural Eastern Washington and you had to have it in the winter and the civic) and purchase a smaller, more fuel efficient AWD vehicle to share (since we’re moving back to a heavy snow area if this all pans out!)
August 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Hi J.D.,
You’re starting with the observation that your friends family gets by with just one car. That made me realize that I’m getting by without any car at all for two and a half years now.
Before that, I drove 50.000 km (a little bit more than 30.000 miles) a year! Instead of driving a car, I’m using the bus, trains, air travel, the occasional cab and even rental cars. I did the math: In the end, I’m covering even more miles per year at reduced cost and at a faster pace. So, my message to all is, look out for alternatives. You might be surprised.
But here’s the best part. I didn’t sell my car because of increasing gas and insurance prices. I didn’t give up my car for the environment, although I’d like to be that kind of man. No, the reason I did this, was because I couldn’t bear to watch my beautiful car being ridden down like this. Isn’t that crazy? That was the moment I realized that I bought that car for having a very expensive driveway decoration in the first place.
Cheers!