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		<title>By: MrBozo</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/10/05/another-frightening-show-about-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-150819</link>
		<dc:creator>MrBozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some points concerning the crisis:

- Due to the government, the financial system is one huge tragedy of the commons. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons) That is: profits are individualized and losses are collectivised. When you have such incentives in place, a tragedy is bound to happen.

- The commercial banks with the support of the central bank create money by issuing loans out of thin air. There are two main negative consequences to this.
	1. Creating money increases the money supply, which lowers the value of each unit of money. This is stealth: it is a transfer of resources from each owner of money units to the banks, the loan receivers, and the people in debt.
	2. The increase in the money supply by the central bank is the source of the boom and bust business cycle. See the Austrian Business Cycle Theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Business_Cycle_Theory

- The solution is not giving even more power to the state (in the forms of bailouts or various regulations). The state IS the problem to begin with. In addition to the central bank, the state also created Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac, as well as the &quot;Community Reinvestment Act&quot;. The state is the root cause of the current mess.

Here is another informative video about the current crisis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBT052jHnmE&amp;sdig=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some points concerning the crisis:</p>
<p>- Due to the government, the financial system is one huge tragedy of the commons. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons</a>) That is: profits are individualized and losses are collectivised. When you have such incentives in place, a tragedy is bound to happen.</p>
<p>- The commercial banks with the support of the central bank create money by issuing loans out of thin air. There are two main negative consequences to this.<br />
	1. Creating money increases the money supply, which lowers the value of each unit of money. This is stealth: it is a transfer of resources from each owner of money units to the banks, the loan receivers, and the people in debt.<br />
	2. The increase in the money supply by the central bank is the source of the boom and bust business cycle. See the Austrian Business Cycle Theory: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Business_Cycle_Theory" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Business_Cycle_Theory</a></p>
<p>- The solution is not giving even more power to the state (in the forms of bailouts or various regulations). The state IS the problem to begin with. In addition to the central bank, the state also created Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac, as well as the &#8220;Community Reinvestment Act&#8221;. The state is the root cause of the current mess.</p>
<p>Here is another informative video about the current crisis: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBT052jHnmE&amp;sdig=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBT052jHnmE&amp;sdig=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/10/05/another-frightening-show-about-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-150798</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blaming the government and mortgage lenders for the current financial meltdown, is akin to blaming McDonalds or the candy aisle at Wal*Mart for making us fat. Yes they offer the product for sale, but ultimately we have the choice of whether or not to buy it.

With the exception of those families who truly faced financial hardships beyond their control (medical emergencies, jobloss, etc.), a significant number of American Families willingly positioned themselves within a paycheck or two of bankruptcy due to their own greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blaming the government and mortgage lenders for the current financial meltdown, is akin to blaming McDonalds or the candy aisle at Wal*Mart for making us fat. Yes they offer the product for sale, but ultimately we have the choice of whether or not to buy it.</p>
<p>With the exception of those families who truly faced financial hardships beyond their control (medical emergencies, jobloss, etc.), a significant number of American Families willingly positioned themselves within a paycheck or two of bankruptcy due to their own greed.</p>
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		<title>By: Avatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kitty,

I think this is the trouble with our fancy maths models. They take historical data and punch it into a computer and extrapolate it and voila...that&#039;s the absolute future.

Unfortunately, in the process of inputting these data, the remove most of the outliers. Guess what? These outliers represent Black Swan events that are occurring more and more frequent, which causes havoc in this world.

I think The Black Swan by Taleb is a good book to read too especially for those who tend to trust these models too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kitty,</p>
<p>I think this is the trouble with our fancy maths models. They take historical data and punch it into a computer and extrapolate it and voila&#8230;that&#8217;s the absolute future.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, in the process of inputting these data, the remove most of the outliers. Guess what? These outliers represent Black Swan events that are occurring more and more frequent, which causes havoc in this world.</p>
<p>I think The Black Swan by Taleb is a good book to read too especially for those who tend to trust these models too much.</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/10/05/another-frightening-show-about-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-150640</link>
		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a program about it on 60 minutes as well. We also had a lecture at work which mainly talked about the math and computer aspects of it, but I missed it, although my friend went. He said many of the math models they used to determine risk/benefit in these derivatives relied on each mortgage failure being an independent event. So according to formulas, even if the risk of a specific mortgage failing is high, the risk from a pool of such mortgages is much lower. So a derivative representing several sub-prime mortgages would have a better credit rating than each mortgage. One sub-prime loans is rated C-, a pool with sub-prime loans and maybe a few prime ones could be rated AAA. Like alchemy - apply a formula to lead and it is turned into gold. Add to it these credit default swaps, and the buyer felt pretty secure that the risks are small while benefit is large; so many of these institutions ended up leveraged 30 to 1. They said - &quot;we haven&#039;t thought there would be a problem because we&#039;ve never have problems in the past&quot;. Except for these investment vehicles were new, so naturally there was no history which involved them.

What they forgot is that mortgage failures aren&#039;t independent random events - that once mortgages start resetting, many may default, and that after a certain number of foreclosures prices are likely to come down leading to more foreclosures. They also failed to consider that real estate doesn&#039;t always go up and once it starts going down many wouldn&#039;t be able to refinance. 

Additionally, the mathematicians didn&#039;t think about human emotion - once some of these investment vehicles start losing money and their value drops, panic selling may set in causing their value to drop to nothing. 

Interestingly, what the 60 minutes show said is that the default rate on mortgages is still only 5% overall. So without these fancy investment vehicles, there wouldn&#039;t have been much of a crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a program about it on 60 minutes as well. We also had a lecture at work which mainly talked about the math and computer aspects of it, but I missed it, although my friend went. He said many of the math models they used to determine risk/benefit in these derivatives relied on each mortgage failure being an independent event. So according to formulas, even if the risk of a specific mortgage failing is high, the risk from a pool of such mortgages is much lower. So a derivative representing several sub-prime mortgages would have a better credit rating than each mortgage. One sub-prime loans is rated C-, a pool with sub-prime loans and maybe a few prime ones could be rated AAA. Like alchemy &#8211; apply a formula to lead and it is turned into gold. Add to it these credit default swaps, and the buyer felt pretty secure that the risks are small while benefit is large; so many of these institutions ended up leveraged 30 to 1. They said &#8211; &#8220;we haven&#8217;t thought there would be a problem because we&#8217;ve never have problems in the past&#8221;. Except for these investment vehicles were new, so naturally there was no history which involved them.</p>
<p>What they forgot is that mortgage failures aren&#8217;t independent random events &#8211; that once mortgages start resetting, many may default, and that after a certain number of foreclosures prices are likely to come down leading to more foreclosures. They also failed to consider that real estate doesn&#8217;t always go up and once it starts going down many wouldn&#8217;t be able to refinance. </p>
<p>Additionally, the mathematicians didn&#8217;t think about human emotion &#8211; once some of these investment vehicles start losing money and their value drops, panic selling may set in causing their value to drop to nothing. </p>
<p>Interestingly, what the 60 minutes show said is that the default rate on mortgages is still only 5% overall. So without these fancy investment vehicles, there wouldn&#8217;t have been much of a crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dunn</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/10/05/another-frightening-show-about-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-150637</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greed certainly took over the markets... I saw it first hand.  Hopefully history doesn&#039;t repeat itself.

Chris Dunn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greed certainly took over the markets&#8230; I saw it first hand.  Hopefully history doesn&#8217;t repeat itself.</p>
<p>Chris Dunn</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to that on Saturday and it was seriously scary, but a really good program. I told my husband that he really needed to download the podcast when it became available, because it was very informative and eye opening. I&#039;ll probably download it, too, so I can listen again.

I had no idea some of those investment vehicles existed and couldn&#039;t believe they were even legal. No wonder we&#039;re in such a mess. It was a very sobering program without being doom and gloom, fear mongering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to that on Saturday and it was seriously scary, but a really good program. I told my husband that he really needed to download the podcast when it became available, because it was very informative and eye opening. I&#8217;ll probably download it, too, so I can listen again.</p>
<p>I had no idea some of those investment vehicles existed and couldn&#8217;t believe they were even legal. No wonder we&#8217;re in such a mess. It was a very sobering program without being doom and gloom, fear mongering.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; people deluded themselves. They thought they could throw out the old rules of money.&quot;

Hmmm... where have I heard this before? Oh right - the &quot;new economy&quot; of the dot-com era... 

It&#039;s deja vu all over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; people deluded themselves. They thought they could throw out the old rules of money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230; where have I heard this before? Oh right &#8211; the &#8220;new economy&#8221; of the dot-com era&#8230; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s deja vu all over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also recommend reading the Freakonomics blog, which has lately had a ton of articles by economists discussing and debating the state of the economy in a way that&#039;s easy to understand for non-economists. This bailout bill, as well as what created the crisis, is misunderstood and oversimplified by almost everyone. 

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also recommend reading the Freakonomics blog, which has lately had a ton of articles by economists discussing and debating the state of the economy in a way that&#8217;s easy to understand for non-economists. This bailout bill, as well as what created the crisis, is misunderstood and oversimplified by almost everyone. </p>
<p><a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Avatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This podcast and the earlier one is one of the most lucid explanations on what is going on with the American economy. Thanks for sharing the link. Despite being audio only, I was totally hooked for 2 hours listening to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This podcast and the earlier one is one of the most lucid explanations on what is going on with the American economy. Thanks for sharing the link. Despite being audio only, I was totally hooked for 2 hours listening to it.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who is preparing to move to another state I have my concerns, but I see a lot of good in the current financial crisis.  My biggest concern is borrowing - is their any money to borrow?  This is a short-term problem that may last a year.  But from my experience if you have good credit, enough money for a down payment, and you shop around a bit you will find a reputable institution to loan you money.  To me this is the first &quot;good&quot; of this crisis - loaning money will once again be reserved for those responsible individuals who are disciplined enough to pay it back.

The second good is that home prices are returning to normal in most of the country.  The city I live in was never in a housing bubble, yet I won&#039;t get as much for my home as I would have 2 years ago, that&#039;s ok - I never thought it was worth that anyway.  My home still has a steady increase over the 9 years we&#039;ve owned it.  On the flipside, I&#039;m moving to a much smaller city that wasn&#039;t on a bubble either, and I can get a WHOLE LOT of house for what I would consider a good price - much more than I could in the larger, but undervalued city I currently live in.  This is what I consider the second &quot;good&quot; to come out of this crisis - the real estate market is becoming grounded again.

Just some food for thought here.  In 1976 my parents built their house for $35k.  In 2007 my mother paid $34k for a nice car.  I&#039;m about to buy a house for $300k, does that mean in 30 years I&#039;ll be buying a nice car for $300k?  I hope not - housing prices could still stand to come down a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who is preparing to move to another state I have my concerns, but I see a lot of good in the current financial crisis.  My biggest concern is borrowing &#8211; is their any money to borrow?  This is a short-term problem that may last a year.  But from my experience if you have good credit, enough money for a down payment, and you shop around a bit you will find a reputable institution to loan you money.  To me this is the first &#8220;good&#8221; of this crisis &#8211; loaning money will once again be reserved for those responsible individuals who are disciplined enough to pay it back.</p>
<p>The second good is that home prices are returning to normal in most of the country.  The city I live in was never in a housing bubble, yet I won&#8217;t get as much for my home as I would have 2 years ago, that&#8217;s ok &#8211; I never thought it was worth that anyway.  My home still has a steady increase over the 9 years we&#8217;ve owned it.  On the flipside, I&#8217;m moving to a much smaller city that wasn&#8217;t on a bubble either, and I can get a WHOLE LOT of house for what I would consider a good price &#8211; much more than I could in the larger, but undervalued city I currently live in.  This is what I consider the second &#8220;good&#8221; to come out of this crisis &#8211; the real estate market is becoming grounded again.</p>
<p>Just some food for thought here.  In 1976 my parents built their house for $35k.  In 2007 my mother paid $34k for a nice car.  I&#8217;m about to buy a house for $300k, does that mean in 30 years I&#8217;ll be buying a nice car for $300k?  I hope not &#8211; housing prices could still stand to come down a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: almost there</title>
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		<dc:creator>almost there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I retire this month.  I don&#039;t think that we will recover.  I think the money system is in for a meltdown.  Watch the google video zeitgeist addendum, Released 2 Oct 08, (google videos, search for those words) to see what I mean about our debt and ever increasing devaluation of the dollar due to the massize debt in our country.  Individuals can be debt free, but a country cannot under centeral banking&#039;s fractional reserve system.  It took 200 years to reach the first trillion dollars in national debt.  Look at it now.  It is not linear.  This bailout just made it that much worse, faster. One good thing.  I bought VGENX in June at 94 bucks a share. I know, I know, bad timing. I watched it all year before making a buy. It is in the toilet now, but with peak oil it should adjust upwards.  Until then, I am DCA ing, buying cheaper funds.  The movie is 2 hours long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I retire this month.  I don&#8217;t think that we will recover.  I think the money system is in for a meltdown.  Watch the google video zeitgeist addendum, Released 2 Oct 08, (google videos, search for those words) to see what I mean about our debt and ever increasing devaluation of the dollar due to the massize debt in our country.  Individuals can be debt free, but a country cannot under centeral banking&#8217;s fractional reserve system.  It took 200 years to reach the first trillion dollars in national debt.  Look at it now.  It is not linear.  This bailout just made it that much worse, faster. One good thing.  I bought VGENX in June at 94 bucks a share. I know, I know, bad timing. I watched it all year before making a buy. It is in the toilet now, but with peak oil it should adjust upwards.  Until then, I am DCA ing, buying cheaper funds.  The movie is 2 hours long.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Wiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this whole topic of economic bailout/rescue interesting, not boring. From the bigger perspective, I think a sound national economy and sound personal finances require the same things: discipline, delayed gratification and steady attention. Funny how those are grown-up behaviors that anyone can cultivate . . . . I have a related article on this topic here http://www.diamondcutlife.org/its-cool-to-be-adult/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this whole topic of economic bailout/rescue interesting, not boring. From the bigger perspective, I think a sound national economy and sound personal finances require the same things: discipline, delayed gratification and steady attention. Funny how those are grown-up behaviors that anyone can cultivate . . . . I have a related article on this topic here <a href="http://www.diamondcutlife.org/its-cool-to-be-adult/" rel="nofollow">http://www.diamondcutlife.org/its-cool-to-be-adult/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: mbrogz3000</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbrogz3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come there are no discussions on fractional reserve and how money is just &#039;created&#039; at the moment a loan is allocated to someone or when a credit card is used?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come there are no discussions on fractional reserve and how money is just &#8216;created&#8217; at the moment a loan is allocated to someone or when a credit card is used?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what you expect to learn from this broadcast. I listened to the whole thing and couldn&#039;t make any sense of what they were talking about in the first half. They don&#039;t seem to mention any of the root causes of this crisis. 

May I please choose a bank which would not get in bed with all this easy credit because they value customers? No? That&#039;s right every bank is propped up on the Federal Reserve and their intrinsically flawed fractional-reserve system.

~35:00 &quot;First of all, is it fair for me to be mad?&quot;
What kind of nonsensical question is that? This kind of reasoning empowers the state over the individual. The interviewer seems to be asking a difficult(for the interviewee) question, but it is utterly ridiculous to even consider that people are not entitled to their property, that is, their money. I don&#039;t need to question whether or not it is okay for the state to willingly debase my hard-earned savings despite an overwhelming disapproval of such an heinous action. It is unfair to steal property. I don&#039;t need to consider, then, the fairness of how _much_ property will be stolen.

~48:00 &quot;...and then he lists off the publications he reads&quot;
Why does he not read the publications aloud instead of relegating them to an unimportant list? This just comes off as wanting to prevent people from exploring other options. Though this has nothing to do with the broadcast&#039;s topic I found it awkward and odd.

Why is there no talk of the Federal Reserve? Though the host speaks calmly and politely, the urgency of this matter is unavoidable. Throughout the entire show I felt as though there was an encroaching forest fire and all he could do was wax pretentious on how fire spreads. He only seemed to suggest that all this fire is severely under-regulated but mentions nothing of the fact that the state is the one handing out the flame-throwers!

Systemic failure is inevitable. Anything we do, whether it is redistribution of wealth to the wealthy or printing more money, we are going to make the bubble *bigger* and we&#039;ll all be deaf from its thunderous bursting. We must act now to end this boom-bust cycle by rejecting monopolization of credit issuance through central banking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you expect to learn from this broadcast. I listened to the whole thing and couldn&#8217;t make any sense of what they were talking about in the first half. They don&#8217;t seem to mention any of the root causes of this crisis. </p>
<p>May I please choose a bank which would not get in bed with all this easy credit because they value customers? No? That&#8217;s right every bank is propped up on the Federal Reserve and their intrinsically flawed fractional-reserve system.</p>
<p>~35:00 &#8220;First of all, is it fair for me to be mad?&#8221;<br />
What kind of nonsensical question is that? This kind of reasoning empowers the state over the individual. The interviewer seems to be asking a difficult(for the interviewee) question, but it is utterly ridiculous to even consider that people are not entitled to their property, that is, their money. I don&#8217;t need to question whether or not it is okay for the state to willingly debase my hard-earned savings despite an overwhelming disapproval of such an heinous action. It is unfair to steal property. I don&#8217;t need to consider, then, the fairness of how _much_ property will be stolen.</p>
<p>~48:00 &#8220;&#8230;and then he lists off the publications he reads&#8221;<br />
Why does he not read the publications aloud instead of relegating them to an unimportant list? This just comes off as wanting to prevent people from exploring other options. Though this has nothing to do with the broadcast&#8217;s topic I found it awkward and odd.</p>
<p>Why is there no talk of the Federal Reserve? Though the host speaks calmly and politely, the urgency of this matter is unavoidable. Throughout the entire show I felt as though there was an encroaching forest fire and all he could do was wax pretentious on how fire spreads. He only seemed to suggest that all this fire is severely under-regulated but mentions nothing of the fact that the state is the one handing out the flame-throwers!</p>
<p>Systemic failure is inevitable. Anything we do, whether it is redistribution of wealth to the wealthy or printing more money, we are going to make the bubble *bigger* and we&#8217;ll all be deaf from its thunderous bursting. We must act now to end this boom-bust cycle by rejecting monopolization of credit issuance through central banking.</p>
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		<title>By: Tabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info, I will be checking it out, I am always glad for anything that can keep me informed on what is going on, especially when it is not coming from regular &quot;news&quot; channels. 

-Tabs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, I will be checking it out, I am always glad for anything that can keep me informed on what is going on, especially when it is not coming from regular &#8220;news&#8221; channels. </p>
<p>-Tabs</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD, I&#039;d also like to suggest these two interviews from Fresh Air with Terry Gross. 
One with Robert Kuttner
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16217374

And these with Gretchen Morgenson
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18942380

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94928783</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD, I&#8217;d also like to suggest these two interviews from Fresh Air with Terry Gross.<br />
One with Robert Kuttner<br />
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16217374" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16217374</a></p>
<p>And these with Gretchen Morgenson<br />
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18942380" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18942380</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94928783" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94928783</a></p>
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		<title>By: ABCs of Investing</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABCs of Investing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully the people who will head up the next generation of financial institutions will learn from the lessons of the current crisis.  Maybe watching these shows would be a good start?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully the people who will head up the next generation of financial institutions will learn from the lessons of the current crisis.  Maybe watching these shows would be a good start?</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!

This American Life must have posted that episode just after I wrote the entry. (It wasn&#039;t available when I posted it.) I&#039;ve made the adjustment in my post. Thanks, everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!</p>
<p>This American Life must have posted that episode just after I wrote the entry. (It wasn&#8217;t available when I posted it.) I&#8217;ve made the adjustment in my post. Thanks, everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Double</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.D.,

You said it right back in May &quot;they were trying to get rich quickly instead of to get rich slowly&quot;.  Consumers, housing industry, financial institutions were all trying to get rich quickly using high leverage and the organizations such as rating agencies and government failed us miserably in regulating and protecting us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.D.,</p>
<p>You said it right back in May &#8220;they were trying to get rich quickly instead of to get rich slowly&#8221;.  Consumers, housing industry, financial institutions were all trying to get rich quickly using high leverage and the organizations such as rating agencies and government failed us miserably in regulating and protecting us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the show tip.  I like Ira Glass and you&#039;re right...his shows are always anything but boring.  We&#039;ll certainly be checking the shows out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the show tip.  I like Ira Glass and you&#8217;re right&#8230;his shows are always anything but boring.  We&#8217;ll certainly be checking the shows out.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris: why is that illegal?  Providing the loan is secured against something, there shouldn&#039;t be any reason why a bank doesn&#039;t want you to invest the borrowed money on the stock market...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris: why is that illegal?  Providing the loan is secured against something, there shouldn&#8217;t be any reason why a bank doesn&#8217;t want you to invest the borrowed money on the stock market&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Holdheide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Holdheide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know that it is illegal for someone to take a loan out from a bank and then invest it into the stock market.  But that is just what the goverment has just done.  This bailout bill is a loan from the goverment to wallstreet to buy off the bad debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know that it is illegal for someone to take a loan out from a bank and then invest it into the stock market.  But that is just what the goverment has just done.  This bailout bill is a loan from the goverment to wallstreet to buy off the bad debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Zeitgeist: Addendum&quot;&lt;/a&gt; is also getting popular these days. The movie site is at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com&lt;/a&gt;. Worth watching, but of course never without your skepticism shield. 


It is good to see how crises get people to question their ways and to think out of the box. Plato was totally right there. Maybe Mr. Jacques Fresco&#039;s ideas are a good contribution too. Challenge usually produces valuable results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Zeitgeist: Addendum&#8221;</a> is also getting popular these days. The movie site is at <a href="http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com</a>. Worth watching, but of course never without your skepticism shield. </p>
<p>It is good to see how crises get people to question their ways and to think out of the box. Plato was totally right there. Maybe Mr. Jacques Fresco&#8217;s ideas are a good contribution too. Challenge usually produces valuable results.</p>
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		<title>By: Qwunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qwunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you&#039;re making more people aware of this.  My wife and I were listening in the car on our way to get sub sandwiches, and we sat in the car listening for a while rather than listening.  I might grab the podcast to listen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you&#8217;re making more people aware of this.  My wife and I were listening in the car on our way to get sub sandwiches, and we sat in the car listening for a while rather than listening.  I might grab the podcast to listen again.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like it&#039;s up now:

Direct MP3 link : http://podcast.thisamericanlife.org/podcast/365.mp3

Webpage and online media player: 
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=365</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like it&#8217;s up now:</p>
<p>Direct MP3 link : <a href="http://podcast.thisamericanlife.org/podcast/365.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://podcast.thisamericanlife.org/podcast/365.mp3</a></p>
<p>Webpage and online media player:<br />
<a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=365" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=365</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is available on iTunes now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is available on iTunes now!</p>
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